Well since its a PvE thread , if guardian was so hard to play then pugs should ask for warrs only , not heavies. Usually its what I see when I check the LFG system :" heavies only " because they are easier to play.
Like really dude, since when guardian is a hard mode class?
Engineer is the only class that can 1vX due to kiting and AoE damage. So for fighting its engineer but for roaming in general thief or warrior.
Well, that is simply wrong. Several classes can 1 Vs X. It is more about skill than the class you are. Ele can do it and i have done many times. Though you have to know what fights you can win rather than just going in guns blazing.
You shouldn’t be winning 1v3s unless the oppenents are very very bad. An engineer can 1vx because of his zone control. If you can bring players in a tight spot , drop supply crate and tons of AoE.
The only other build that could 1vx is a P/D condi thief because of insane sustain from shadow arts and perma stealth with CnD.
I’m talking about players with meta builds and equal skill. Sure you might be able to 1v3 bearbows or riffle warriors but that doesn’t count .
I still see more warriors than guardians, yes guardians can out dps warriors and it takes skill to do considering the low HP. Warriors however doesn’t take a lot of skill, low risk – high reward.
Both warrior and guardian don’t take much skill , both classes are straight forward: swing your great sword and that’s about it. Although warrior has healing signet, guard also has a lot of passive regen and aegis from traits.
Except if you go full DPS as a guardian, you have the lowest HP in the game, on the same level as eles, but without their huge array of skills.
DPS guard is just as faceroll as warrior, heals from meditations and tons of blocks. If you want to play something hard, play S/X glass ele.
If you bring a meditation guardian to any sort of pve group oriented content you should be kicked.
Guardians are brought for their group support over dps. (This does not mean bring an AH or Virtues cleric guardian.)
It means bring a guardian that is in full zerker gear with shouts and/or consecrations for the reflects.
Just because you can bring group wide boons doesn’t mean you should sacrifice DPS. And seriously if you bring a meditation guard to dungeons. you are doing it wrong.
If you want hard you run absolutely nothing in the toughness line except maybe strength in numbers but then you are giving up a ton of your DPS
The person who thinks I’m talking about PvE needs to be kicked , not me. But while we are at it, guardian and warrior are easy in both PvP and PvE.
I have a feeling this guy has never played a zerk guard in his life. Zerk guardian in PvP is fine if you are good, you have blocks and blinds a plenty. In PvE Zerk guard is a hard spec to play since you can’t blind/block a lot of things in PvE. Which means you need to be really good with your dodges and seeing telegraphs, because if you miss one step you are dead with the lowest health pool in the game (same as thief and ele). I play zerk on every class I play in PvE, and thief is 10xs easier zerk than zerk guard.
And back to the OP, in no way is guardian more popular in PvE than warrior. They have the capability to out DPS a warrior, but only if you are exceedingly talented (keeping Unscathed contender on). But overall a Warrior will out-DPS a guard because you rely on keeping up Aegis (not getting hit by anything) in order to stay above them in dps. Also the survivability of that build is not easy. Meanwhile my zerk warrior can hit for 25k HB pretty regularly. And for utility, with the new grandmaster PS, they can stack more might than a guard can, and keep it up permanently.
So no, Warrior is the trend, and guardians are the one that are becoming more and more extinct/obsolete.
I played zerk guard in PvP. It does a stupid amount of damage just by pressing the sword #3. At least with a warrior you need some kind of stun to land the damage.
Not to mention the auto attack that crits for 4k on the sword. Guardian is not hard , it just more boring than warrior because of the low mobility.
I still see more warriors than guardians, yes guardians can out dps warriors and it takes skill to do considering the low HP. Warriors however doesn’t take a lot of skill, low risk – high reward.
Both warrior and guardian don’t take much skill , both classes are straight forward: swing your great sword and that’s about it. Although warrior has healing signet, guard also has a lot of passive regen and aegis from traits.
Except if you go full DPS as a guardian, you have the lowest HP in the game, on the same level as eles, but without their huge array of skills.
DPS guard is just as faceroll as warrior, heals from meditations and tons of blocks. If you want to play something hard, play S/X glass ele.
If you bring a meditation guardian to any sort of pve group oriented content you should be kicked.
Guardians are brought for their group support over dps. (This does not mean bring an AH or Virtues cleric guardian.)
It means bring a guardian that is in full zerker gear with shouts and/or consecrations for the reflects.
Just because you can bring group wide boons doesn’t mean you should sacrifice DPS. And seriously if you bring a meditation guard to dungeons. you are doing it wrong.
If you want hard you run absolutely nothing in the toughness line except maybe strength in numbers but then you are giving up a ton of your DPS
The person who thinks I’m talking about PvE needs to be kicked , not me. But while we are at it, guardian and warrior are easy in both PvP and PvE.
Thief is not Assassin; it’s just a baby version of it. Anet hasn’t given it the things it needs to Evolve into it’s final form.
Why, cause it doesn’t have perma shadow form that makes it uber tank? I think I’ll pass. Thief is everything that assassin is, and more.
Except for the part of having tons of non-stealth builds, parrying, an overall martial arts feel, ASSASSIN STYLE ARMOR, and the ability to use any weapon effectively with their Way of the Master style; Instead we’re limited to very few weapons. Then there’s the whole magic caster side of Deadly Arts and Hexes being forgotten. I see no Assassins in GW2.
This is true , bring da real sins into gw2. Thief is fun but its not a true assassin.
I still see more warriors than guardians, yes guardians can out dps warriors and it takes skill to do considering the low HP. Warriors however doesn’t take a lot of skill, low risk – high reward.
Both warrior and guardian don’t take much skill , both classes are straight forward: swing your great sword and that’s about it. Although warrior has healing signet, guard also has a lot of passive regen and aegis from traits.
Except if you go full DPS as a guardian, you have the lowest HP in the game, on the same level as eles, but without their huge array of skills.
DPS guard is just as faceroll as warrior, heals from meditations and tons of blocks. If you want to play something hard, play S/X glass ele.
I still see more warriors than guardians, yes guardians can out dps warriors and it takes skill to do considering the low HP. Warriors however doesn’t take a lot of skill, low risk – high reward.
Both warrior and guardian don’t take much skill , both classes are straight forward: swing your great sword and that’s about it. Although warrior has healing signet, guard also has a lot of passive regen and aegis from traits.
The rest it depends on the situation . Anything group related > hammer to stunlock a target while somebody else is using burst. Anything solo > greatsword or Axe for huge damage spike.
What’s so hardcore about leveling anyway? I can do CoF p1 on my 80 and then swap at the end to the lowbie for the exp. There’s so many ways to level “passively” that it doesn’t even matter if you survived all the way to lvl 80.
MM necro is a weak build , I used to cry OP but a necro with a such build has 0 stun breaks and is very slow. The AI is incredibly stupid too , you can kite it by running in circles and kill the necro, it will just take forever but yeaa.
Paragon is already similar to guardian
Monk is also similar to guardian
Dervish > this could be a warrior with a scythe
Ritualist ? Most boring class from gw1 pls we have enough AI , don’t need more
We just need 1 more heavy class of Dark Magic type . Like a mix between warrior and necro.
If you can’t win with the strongest class ,then this game is not for you. The only option left is playing an AI based build. Its the only build that is easier than warrior.
Bunker you mean a build that is very tanky but still does a decent amount of damage? Because pure bunker builds are balanced like bunker guardian = 0 damage.
But bunker DPS is imba : turret engi , MM necro , soldier Axe warrior with Intel sigil etc..
They need to Nerf damage of the builds that can be tank and DPS at the same time.
Mesmers Eles and Warriors are hard-countered by thieves. Unfortunately, there are lots of hard-counters in this game (on average: Necro > Engi, Warrior > Necro, Thief > Warrior, Engi > Thief, etc.).
This is, of course, assuming an equal skill level of the players.
Warrior hard countered by thieves ? lol ? In what world ? I’m a trash warrior and I kill thieves with no effort at all.
We can’t have an objective debate about Warriors balance as long as Healing Signet and Adrenal Healing are ticking away for over 600 HPS. That’s just ridiculous. It turns every Block, every immunity and every evade into a 1-4k heal.
This smells like Soldiers+Sigil of Intelligence to me.
Normally not OP, but hilariously overpowered on warriors because of Evis having such huge base damage.
Soldiers gives pretty crappy crit damage. Looks more like a Valk/Cav mix or a Cav/Zerk mix + sigil of intelligence.
Yes, other things are probably OP too but nothing comes close to the passive healing. And until we see it nerfed/changed we can’t really objectively kitten other imbalances.
HAHAHa! You must be living in 2013 i think?
Because i and almost all warriors get around 360-370 from HS these days.. And lets say you have always 50% adrenaline (full adrenaline is never using CI so 50% is much more reality) thats another 50 health per second…
so its around 410-420
but ofc still people think its 600+ hps…
A lot of people still think that adrenal health ticks 360 every second. It’s every 3 seconds. So 120 every second if you never use your adrenaline. Average 50 hps during a fight sounds about right.
This smells like Soldiers+Sigil of Intelligence to me.
Normally not OP, but hilariously overpowered on warriors because of Evis having such huge base damage.
Soldiers gives pretty crappy crit damage. Looks more like a Valk/Cav mix or a Cav/Zerk mix + sigil of intelligence.
Soldier warrior can still crit 8k-10k eviscerate because of the high base damage and multipliers from traits.
You’re only going to hit those numbers on a really glassy foe. Soldier’s has no Ferocity, on anyone with a decent amount of toughness it’s going to be around 4-6k if the Warrior wants to have some actual sustain in their build. I’m not going to count things like Guard Stacks and other Buffs because that’s not the class’s fault and they’re also available to anyone with the time/money.
We really need to stop exaggerating when it comes to ANY class. In the last several days I’ve seen exaggerations on the damage, weapon swaps, healing per second (Adrenal Health is every THREE SECONDS people, and most wars only have full adren for MAYBE one tic), and several other things. If you’re going to say something about a class, go to the wiki and read up on what you’re talking about.
You can even test it yourself in PvP, go take soldier amulet with intel sigil , Axe/sword longbow with 25 stacks of might you crit way more than 8k on a glass thief.
The thing is thief is the only class in the game that is forced to go full glass to deal damage which makes it very high risk unlike warrior/necro who can abuse crit chance and damage from traits/sigils/runes while being tanky as kitten.
As I said its not OP but the thief has to be very skilled to out -play a warrior without shadow arts.
We can’t have an objective debate about Warriors balance as long as Healing Signet and Adrenal Healing are ticking away for over 600 HPS. That’s just ridiculous. It turns every Block, every immunity and every evade into a 1-4k heal.
This smells like Soldiers+Sigil of Intelligence to me.
Normally not OP, but hilariously overpowered on warriors because of Evis having such huge base damage.
Soldiers gives pretty crappy crit damage. Looks more like a Valk/Cav mix or a Cav/Zerk mix + sigil of intelligence.
Yes, other things are probably OP too but nothing comes close to the passive healing. And until we see it nerfed/changed we can’t really objectively kitten other imbalances.
HAHAHa! You must be living in 2013 i think?
Because i and almost all warriors get around 360-370 from HS these days.. And lets say you have always 50% adrenaline (full adrenaline is never using CI so 50% is much more reality) thats another 50 health per second…
so its around 410-420
but ofc still people think its 600+ hps…
A lot of people still think that adrenal health ticks 360 every second. It’s every 3 seconds. So 120 every second if you never use your adrenaline. Average 50 hps during a fight sounds about right.
This smells like Soldiers+Sigil of Intelligence to me.
Normally not OP, but hilariously overpowered on warriors because of Evis having such huge base damage.
Soldiers gives pretty crappy crit damage. Looks more like a Valk/Cav mix or a Cav/Zerk mix + sigil of intelligence.
Soldier warrior can still crit 8k-10k eviscerate because of the high base damage and multipliers from traits.
Yes warrior is probably the only class that is great at everything. The second one could be guardian but in 1v1 they are very bad unless they use meditation DPS build.
It happens quite often getting paired with 3 thieves while the other team has 3 warrs and 1 bunk guard. You already know when its GG even before the match starts.
I agree about the downed state. When you’re dead , you’re dead. It doesn’t make any sense that you can still troll or even kill people in the downed state.
With shadow arts you were supposed to win since you can heal just as much as the warrior but without SA it’s obvious that you have to completely outplay the warrior to win.
Warrior is not that OP but its really forgiving since you can make so many mistakes, large HP pool+ healing signet + stances = face tanking all the damage without dodging unlike the thief who misses 1 dodge and lose at least 40% of his health.
If you want something hardcore you either have to create the challenge yourself or move on. As long as zerging is possible , this game will keep the casual status. Spam 11111 to win ftw!
Dunno.. conflicting thoughts about this. What can one do in this game imo, is setting personal goals. Like.. learn how to play a new class, solo a boss, solo a dungeon, solo a dungeon without dying, do speed runs with your guild, break someone else record etc you get my point. “Problem” is most people set their personal goals in skins or stats and whenever they aquire that skin or legendary they complain they have nothing left to do. Well you got tons of things to do. Game lacks content yes, but there’s tons of challenges in it. Most get bored with yet so many things left to do.
And on the other hand, game seems full of gimmicks and bad mechanics like.. stacking for the win, bosses killed in a few seconds from fgs or feedback, instances completed in under 10 minutes and so on.. and it just doesnt seem to be the kind of game worth taking seriously
Dont know what to say.. its enjoyable but sad in the same time
So you say that the challenge is Soloing the content ? Even if it’s hard it’s pretty boring in my opinion. Anyway nobody asks for stuff to be harder, this game is grindy enough, if it was hard it would be a real pain.
The only thing that is fun doing solo it’s PvP 1v1.
I don’t main as warrior but ham/bow setup is extremely powerful in 1v1 and is fairly simple to use. Like said already, longbow is an effective counter for thieves. My backstab also takes like maybe 1/5 of your total health, which isn’t a lot when your Healing signet still heals you while you’re applying pressure with longbow aoe. Couples with endure pain, a condi-immune stance, a shout condi removal, and Cleansing Ire and it more or less do come down to a learn to play issue.
Stop relying on the GS for damage in my opinion.
Hammer is more for sustain than damage. You can’t burst somebody down with a hammer unless they don’t dodge anything. 1 whirlwind attack from GS does more damage than backbreaker and its an evade so…
Hammer is over rated , but people forget that the typical hambow setup is a team build and not a solo build.
I lost 13 games in the past 2 days due to 4v5 … I think its really unfair that you have to suffer because of a poor system that cant even find players to play against.
If a team has a member that disconnects, count it as a 4v5 too, you should not rely on other people connection to play the game.
Its getting frustrating , fix this fail system please, remove also 5v4 wins if you want , I dont care about winnning an unfair match up.
The only problem I see with the ’’fixing’’ of proc crit sigils and stenght runes is that it will be impossible to take down a pure bunker without those things.
If the damage output became crap then bunker banner warriors , turret engis and MM necros would be all over the place .
You can already tank quite well 2v1 with a bunker build imagine if proc sigils and all the might stacks were gone. Those bunkers would be able to handle 3v1.
This game was announced as a casual game before release. Everybody who bought the game knows it. If you want something hardcore you either have to create the challenge yourself or move on. As long as zerging is possible , this game will keep the casual status. Spam 11111 to win ftw!
Would be awesome if this happened .But I remember playing a lot of sub par builds on my warrior in solo Q like GS/hammer or hammer/Axe/shield , sword/shield etc.. Or even D/D on my thief.
Separate the MMR by “usual build” please , thank you.
Just delete shadow rejuv trait and prismatic understanding . That way there will be no more “cheese” builds in 1v1. ( except maybe condi shout/banner warrior but they are easy to kill as a warrior but not for other classes)
Those 2 builds PU mesmer and P/D condi thief crush about 95% of the builds in the game in 1v1 situations.
Replace PU by something useful for mesmers and shadow rejuv with something less defensive.
