Guild Wars 2

what they have done here is take a rune that was viable for a lot of classes / builds.
this was a over looked pvp rune for ever till the condition meta increased…
than popularity went up

and now has ben nerfed only based on an idea that the thief has a unfair advantage because of cool down.

when in fact theres other classes that can take advantage of the boons better than the thief.

this hurts other classes more than the thief because we only use it for the
condition clear.
the 5 seconds of boons is pretty unimpressive to a thief compared to other classes that can take advantaged of the boons better

if a ranger can hit a thief with sick em …. that 4 sec of denied stealth can quickly mean there death …

and i think it stacks to . so if 2 rangers hit u with sick em …. lol u feel like a helpless thief.

anti stealth is so strong vs thieves.

lol not many people use the anti stealth traps . but if u hit one it is ridiculous.

any utility u have slotted that uses stealth becomes useless and the thief just breaks down.

it is like forcing a cool down on utilities the thief never used ….
if they r in shadow arts they can no longer remove conditions
u break the class essentially

play a thief and u will never need that mechanic .
a good thief will know where another thief ran in stealth and still be able to hit them

also pay attention to your auto attacks. if they change u r hitting them and could use a more powerful skill

i liked lyssa on my ranger more than on my thief because i could really use the boons.

i would mix rampage as one. and the pet siamoth skill to consume plasma to easily gain 30 sec of stability and other boons for a LONG TIME ….
plus i would use the elite to gain aegis to actively block back stabs.

the thief may have a shorter cool down . but the boons only stay for 5 sec. which really is nothing.

i dont see the cool down as a issue

the gas is getting nerfed

withdraw does not help with condition ? immobilize chill cripple :S
pain response would be reasonable if fleet foot was not garbage
if pain response could be coupled with a weak condition remove besides fleet foot.
sword builds would be slightly more flexible when it comes to conditions .
pain response is not much of a condition clear at all :S

any way looks like lyssa is nerfed

everyone asked for basilisk nerfs its ben nerfed.
thief cant ask for a buff lol
this is what we r forced to do lol. ….rely on a rune to play sword builds effectively
as sad as it sounds ..
thieves never get buffs only nerfs lol ..
asking for a buff even if it is reasonable it is impossible lol

if Basilisk Venom had more than a 45 sec cool down it would be the worst elite in the game … it is the equivalent of a normal utility skill …
it is like having a under powered 4 utility skill with lyssa being the only thing that gives it any credit :S

but they spec in to shadow arts for condition remove
there is no real reason to run lyssa on a back stab build ..
and they can easily stealth which makes a world of difference

sword builds dont usually use stealth or try not to as much

there was a picture from a video of lyssa when some one was showing the new pvp or something

lyssa will remove 5 conditions and give a boon for every condition removed

Basilisk Venom it is more like a utility :S
Devourer Venom a utility skill has a longer duration compared to
Basilisk Venom a elite :S

mixing lyssa and basilisk venom is really the only thing Basilisk Venom has going for it as a elite :S

but the only way u will even out the time difference for different classes is if everyone had a 45 sec cool down elite

the only reason sword thieves u lyssa anyway is because the acrobatic trait line is so incredibly weak when it comes to condition removal

no not often at all but it would be nice if it was not limited any way .

yes i under stand the benefits of stability and aegis.
like i said i dont mind the nerf … because we use it for the condition remove !
i dont need that gimmick.
it was such a short amount of protection.
in a fight vs a thief i would hope they would blow there elite like a fool
because i would stall them for 5 seconds and attack XD lol

it only hurt my play style if i used the elite with out using it as a condition remove

if anything this unintentionally teaches thieves to play more conservative and not do foolish things
like blow there elite to only gain a few seconds of boons.
that could be used against them with skills like corrupt boons the necro skill

#boons r over rated

as a thief i don’t mind the the nerf because we use lyssa for the “CONDITION CLEAR”
for the sword builds the acrobatics trait line lacks condition clear big time.
the thief sword builds r kinda pigeon holed around lyssa for the condi clear :S

people see the boons and think it is op
but in reality they don’t do that much for u.

but i do wish the condi clear was not limited to 5 conditions and maybe more than 5 seconds of boons now that u can only get them from actually clearing conditions

lol the engineer that launched himself off the bridge XD

u still don’t want a idiot playing thief on your team .
a idiot thief only adds a weakness to your team

lol y did this get turned in to a thief op thread . i made a really dumb joke

if i can go on my ranger and kill thieves.
if i can go on a war and kill thieves.
if i can go on a engi and kill thieves.
if i can go on a necro and kill thieves
the only class i have had trouble killing thieves on is element and thats just because
i have never spent time learning them

y is there this thief is op problem ?
still after 100s of nerfs .
i can only think it is a player VS player skill problem.

in 80 % of my fights
people don’t think to use imob chill cripple weekness VS a sword dagger dodge thief

people don’t think to break the D/p stealth combo with pulls pushes stuns
when the thief is low on initiative.

people don’t think about denying the D/D CnD.

they only think in a fight i am going to hit u and strategy does not matter.
and by not being patient and waiting for a time to attack they just panic and press buttons .
making it easier for the thief to win
because the thief wants u to panic and wants u to waist skills so they can make a attack when u r on cool down

the black lion won’t be working till the 15th will it…
lol i am really running out of space now have loads of yellows and exotics i want to sell .
but worst of all is i can’t buy anymore food lol .
my character is hungry XD

+1 encourage people to run in smaller coordinated groups … team play

mindless blobs moving from point to point is not team play …. its farming

D/p can be easy to counter .
it is slow and predictible
go to where they will finish there black powder / heart seeker combo and attack.

or use pulls pushes stuns to stop them from finishing there D/p combo before they stealth.
specially if u time it when they r low on initiative and shadow refuge is on cool down
u break the combo and the thief can break to.

dustiny explained it pretty well in the d/p section.

but the thieves healing “grandmaster” trait
its nothing compared to the war’s healing signet

it is not the regen in stealth trait
they use there heal skill in stealth so they don’t get interrupted

don’t get me wrong the heal in stealth helps a lil
but when u see a thief go in to stealth at 50% and come back out full they used a heal skill .

{a auto attack with a cool down}. idk u may have your reason
but that just sounds wrong

EDIT ..of corse there is no “stealth auto attack” but u know what i mean ‘__’
and i guess u could say it has a cool down if u count revealed time

but if some one is blocking and u hit them i think it would be reasonable to add a revealed time

anti stealth on a war that would be insane .
thats hands down the most op thief nerf i have seen requested on the forums
besides deleting the class lol
plz tell me this whole thing is sarcastic or a nightmare lol

cyyrix.6105:

Cygnus.6903:

This is a thief nerf.

therefor, it should never be implemented without significantly buffing thief survivability options out of stealth. D/P and D/D would become unusable instantly otherwise.

IMO, stealth is not a problem right now.

I almost never side with thieves, but he’s right. That reveal change would destroy dp and dd.

My solution is to make backstab cost 3-4 initiative. If you spam backstab and miss, you should be punished somehow (but not revealed). Maybe move BS to f2 and then give a stealth auto attack so that the intelligent thieves can still clear blind/aegis at no cost.

the thing about making missed back stabs cost initiative
is it would only hurt in fights where it is thief VS anything in stealth.
the only time a thief will spam the stab in stealth is if they r trying to hit another player in stealth .
just making stealth on stealth fights harder for no reason

Why were Assassins renamed to “Thieves” ?
because where gangster like that

got to make some jokes while waiting XD
but it is nice to see them hop on this quick
and stay in touch

“this no work where club for smash! "
lol XD jk

what happened to the thread the dev posted in talking about this problem ?
i still have this trading post bug it is getting really annoying not being able to use the trading post for this long

i think they said they could have a fix for it today?
was the other thread deleted because it will not be fixed to day or something ?

ok so it will only affect steal :S
i was hoping it would clear up all shadow steps

well ty for the reply

i heard it on the live stream a lil while ago the devs said they will fix the steal bug

they didn’t really go in to detail but they did mention it
idk may just need to wait and see to test this one
would be nice if it fixed the problem with shadow trap to

so anet said that they will be fixing the steal bug .
so things don’t get in the way of steal anymore

will this have any effect on the way shadow trap works ?
will this bug fix make it so shadow trap does not clip on every lil tree bush and hill ?

lol torch and mace for thief . stunned burning XD
but thieves have wanted a block/parry weapon… hint

lol i like viking joruns idea of using both XD..
i never said taking both where out of the question… lol i like that idea

but i can’t say

RFI “clearly superior choice over Shadowstep for stuffing control effects”
because it is not true …

RFI has its place ….the +6 initiative is really nice …. i am not saying it is bad …
i just can’t say it is clearly the superior choice over SS.. i guess it is a personal preference

i like mouse control quick cool downs and real condition clear .

RFI . easy to use +6 initiative…
not really going to count the cripple clear imoblize or chill remove
because u can get that from withdrawal with a shorter cool down

if u use k&M how do u not see how much better SS is over simple old RFI…

if u use K&M all u need to do is press a button to go to the place u want .
with insta cast there is not that big a dif if u actively use your mouse .

no one can say a thing in these forums with out interceptor taking the opposite side.
i am not getting off subject because lyssa is the way to go for S/D. specially if your worried about conditions and don’t want to go in to shadow arts.

telling people to use Saffron-scented Poultry Soup …. u need more than that ….
u where the one who changed the conversation from shadow step to Roll For Initiative!

the smart thief uses the mouse……. mouse control is king ,,,,
one hand to fight .
one hand on mouse for movement
u can dodge so many attacks with just a lil mouse control.
u need a key board set up that works for u .
there is no imparment only improvement.

and yes i would call it the lazy mans…
because i hate to use my mouse . even though i can do better with it
it takes more work than just using my keyboard as a big xbox controller lol

but u can do a lot with a lil mouse control

ya right … i would not call RFI amazing. compared to shadow step …

RFI is the lazy mans SS …4 people who do not care to use mouse control in a fight.

mouse control is king

RFI is nice don’t get me wrong . i love it because it is nice not to ground target and move back instantly
but i can’t say it is the safest choice when i have had it cancel out on me mid evade.

i wish RFI would work all the time. i don’t know y it gets canceled out mid evade sometimes????

i have !
and stopped using it because of it

mid evade get stopped because of stuns .

it is great for pvp never once had a problem with it in pvp …
but wvw it can get canceled out

shadow step is the safest choice and comes with a shorter cool down and condition clear

what ?…….

lol (Roll For Initiative) can be canceled out by mass stun lol .. and has a longer cool down

shadow step can’t … i wish RFI could not be canceled out by mass stun ..
but shadow step has no problem with it ..and a shorter cool down

shadow step is a LOT better than (Roll For Initiative)

interceptor plz don’t tell people garbage .
u help no one and drag out forums

if u r willing to make a big hole in your s/d build don’t run lyssa .
S/D is pigeon holed around lyssa’s condition clear .
because acrobatics trait line condition remove r nearly unusable :S

shadow step can help … but it is more important as a stun breaker !
u shouldn’t use it just to remove conditions. thats just a nice side bonus

unless u spec in to shadow arts for condition remove .
u can easily be over run with conditions if u r not running lyssa

that Saffron-scented Poultry Soup. is nothing but a cough drop

saffron scented soup is not even enough to cure the common cold lol
if u r worried about conditions running a S/D build with out speccing in to shadow arts
lyssa is the way to go .

Saffron-scented Poultry Soup.
is only enough so u don’t need to blow your 45 sec condition remove for a single condition

d/p is not that hard to counter
it is all about pulls pushes stuns cc.
to interrupt them before they finish there black powder / heart seeker combo.
and your timing weather or not they have shadow refuge on cool down . and how much initiative they have left over when u break there combo

break the combo and the thief can break to

i don’t mind the lyssa nerf . ya i want to know what boons will get priority.

but the only build this hurts is s/d the only build that should use lyssa
lyssa does next to nothing for a back stab build .

they need to do something with (assassin equilibrium) to make it useable .
skill just makes no sense as is.
just not worth spending points on so far

chicken for the tiger XD

what if they make (Assassin’s Equilibrium) .
activate on gaining stealth not coming out

so it worked like cloaked in shadow. blinds on stealth

it would be more reliable
reviled time would be the cool down
and blinds / dazes from the sword coming out of stealth would not over lap as much making the stability useless

no there is not a nerf to s/d but the stability from lyssa helped .
just (assassin equilibrium) i just can’t see how it will be reliable .

might just go back to d/d . for the blinds on stealth . or something

now i really hope they make some serious changes with (assassins equilibrium).

don’t really want to retire my s/d

:D best prank ever

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lol have u seen the bobble heads to lol.
they bobble perfect lol
i had some fun running around looking at dif monsters some looked really funny XD