Guild Wars 2

kirito.4138:

Assuming all players are equally skilled, being in a full or partial premade will give you considerable advantage over pugs. Don’t think the current match making system even accounts for it and if it does then not enough. Synergy of premade can be strong.

people say this, but i will queue with guildies on their first time in pvp. actually, most if the time i’m the strongest player in my premade and have to carry. it can just be pals doing pvp for fun and no a super serious squad.

i never blame losses on a premade. it’s either i goofed, or it’s that the people i have on my team would be better suited to sucking nutrients off the bottom of a fish tank.

NeXeD.3042:

Still sounds like a bunch of whiners who can’t hack it. So they say the game doesn’t take that much skill even though they can’t break into the top echelon of pvp…. but of course if you “felt” like it you could right…..

i speak as a decent pvp player, go and fight a top player. i fought caed with a pal and it completely changed my perspective on tournaments. those 1v1s were like going back to being a noob again. caed is a beast, and the fact that all of the players are at a similar level, in that they can beat and survive caed.

most people come to these forums and call builds faceroll, cele engi and ele especially. sure, they are faceroll if you are facing scrubs- but not if you are facing good players (nothing, apart from maybe phantasam mesmer is faceroll vs good players). all the qq about passive mechanics and blaming of game systems hardly make any of you look good at all. y’all are probably those scrub thieves i squash on a daily basis.

BurrTheKing.8571:

choovanski.5462:

BurrTheKing.8571:

choovanski.5462:

ive been using http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNAS8enMdQpgW5BeeAnIGoKoQXAPQAoqHSfCddKA-TZBBwAkLDw5IAA4BAg5iAUd/BA lately. the sword gives the build speed and final thrust (shield bash sets it up so well). valk amulet is super tough, and the build has four 2k shoutheals. the fury from signet of rage and FGJ are super important. mostly just camp hammer unless you want to use a skill on the sword, usually final thrust.

nice to see hammer-shout-valk becoming a thing.

Sadly, after some testing, I’m finding the DPS loss to not be worth the CC you gain. The might stacking on Shotbow is just too good.

the bow is undeniably the greatest for this reason that silly fire field and those darn mights

I’m starting to think that Warrior was designed to have either the Rifle or the Longbow but Rifle ended up being…bad.

i feel like the main advantage of the build is you can survive a ridiculous amount of focus. you have 3400 armour with the shield and 3200 with the hammer. the hammer is too good and too fun for me not to use it. you could run it with hammer/bow but they you loose the speed from the sword’s leap. leaping into a fight blasting all your shouts, downing and enemy is pretty great. also bow has just gotten boring. it rocks, but not all of the skills are that good or impactful, you mostly just do three of them then swap out.

auto attacks significantly buffed. maybe make it hit really hard but slow down the speed signigantly. vunerablity need to be added to volley and the vulnerable shot needs to be replaced. it’s just so awful when compared to the ranger longbow, or the engineer’s rifle. it’s better than offhand axe, but nit by much.

BurrTheKing.8571:

choovanski.5462:

ive been using http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNAS8enMdQpgW5BeeAnIGoKoQXAPQAoqHSfCddKA-TZBBwAkLDw5IAA4BAg5iAUd/BA lately. the sword gives the build speed and final thrust (shield bash sets it up so well). valk amulet is super tough, and the build has four 2k shoutheals. the fury from signet of rage and FGJ are super important. mostly just camp hammer unless you want to use a skill on the sword, usually final thrust.

nice to see hammer-shout-valk becoming a thing.

Sadly, after some testing, I’m finding the DPS loss to not be worth the CC you gain. The might stacking on Shotbow is just too good.

the bow is undeniably the greatest for this reason that silly fire field and those darn mights

CutePicsHunter.7430:

fumcheg.1936:

CutePicsHunter.7430:

fumcheg.1936:

Btw, I don’t mind to reveal on blocks. Just make BS damage = Eviscerate damage not depending of positioning and make it possible to use it without stealth.

Right after BS will get a 10 sec cooldown, will be dodgeable via reaction play and not prediction and will consume all your initiative even if dodged/blocked/missed.

Right after thief will get same toughness, skills power, passive healing, access to burn, boons, might stacking, invuls and blocking

Right after warrior will get same amount of dodges, invis, no weapon skills cooldowns, etc.

coming out of stealth into backbreaker spam would be glorious.

in seriousness, the thief screwed up. they tried to backstab someone with block/blind/agis up. it’s not hard to see these things, hell two of them have icons. removing agis and blind without getting revealed is absolute cheese, even more so with the adrenaline nerf. if these thieves are allowed to remove defensive boons/condis with the only penalty being an auto attack cast time then the adrenaline changes need to be reverted. warrior’s f1 skills are all hugely telegraphed unlike stealth backstab, so it’s far more cheese for the thief to be immune.

Teutos.8620:

I don’t think, I would use it. Just think about every little flamer on the map chat, that you now have to block instantly, because he is shouting in your ear…

i agree. teamspeak rocks because you choose who you talk to. i have been raged at for LOSing at forest mid when the ranger is on a ledge and i have no ranged weapons. i have no interest in hearing the rage of fools.

@Nyx. it connects with blinds, as it removes the blind with little to no consequence.

Sorel.4870:

jportell.2197:

There is a difference between trying new things that MIGHT work, over trying something ridiculous that just makes no sense. Like at all.

Sure, but some people’s minds work in mysterious ways. There’s a guy in this thread pretending that p/p zerker is viable. I know there’s no way because I (probably) main engineer, but maybe a pro ele player would laugh at me for ever believing that a Lightning Rod SD build was a good idea.

it’s only slightly better than not equipping weapons, barely.

Scoobaniec.9561:

I support this. Warriors was gutted with adrenaline cause they could spam f1 without worrying about a miss, as adrenaline stayed on max till one of the burst eventually landed, so ppl complained about “no reward” for dodging/blocking/blinding. And the adrenaline change came in due to the amount of qq. Stealth is no exception – if you kitten up you deserve to be punished. Equal treatment for all please.

i play warrior and i agree that it is bullkitten that they don’t get revealed when blocked or blinded. it puts you in combat, it should reveal you.

i guess thieves are my favourite, but i love to fight anything that isn’t condi my engineer and anything that’s not a power ranger on my warrior. oh yeah, and i know this guy that has a phantasam build that’s even more cheese than turret engineer- but gladly no one runs it.

spirit weapon guardians never fail to make me laugh

run a condi build. it will destroy the engis, especially if multiple condi builds focus them. the turrets despawn then the engi dies.

Sorel.4870:

Nezia.8154:

choovanski.5462:

you need chest, legs and boots for pvp. they are the only items that effect your armour value. I have had many people disagree with me on this, but before you do test it ingame yourself.

Wow. I never knew. Thought all stats were put into amulets hence there is no need to actually wear any armor. Not that I pvp naked though. But I always thought it wouldnt matter.

Yep. I think they did that to discourage people to pvp naked, which would look a bit silly to be honest.

huge amounts of human females in underwear does not make the game look good to an outside audience. no company want’s their tournaments looking like that.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

choovanski.5462:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

REVELATION ON HOW TO STOP 4v5:
If a player DCs, just que in a new player to join the match.

Pretty simple fix
Not sure why this hasn’t been added yet

how would you like to be put into a 4v5 where your team is already loosing?

First of all:
Some teams are WINNING and then someone DCs, putting them in to a 4v5

Second of all:
Most 4v5s happen before the match even begins

Third of all:
The guy who is pulled in from que to join the 4v5 can be treated in this way ->

• If he is pulled in before the match even begins, treat it as a normal match
• If he is pulled in while a team is already losing, the lose doesn’t count towards him
• If he is pulled in while a team is already winning, he still gets win credit

Not a hard patch to implement and I’m sure everyone would appreciate this

oh yeah, i would love being pulled into an already loosing match with everyone demoralised from 4v5 /s

Doon.2364:

I think adrenaline should only decline to 50% out of combat like how the new Revenant has it. This is the best compromise. You still need to build adrenaline to maximize your burst at the same time you don’t lose everything you work for.

this would be ideal

RoRo.8270:

Nothing needs to be done about turret engis. The soloq population needs to learn how to deal with them which unfortunately will never happen.

they just haven’t realised that a condi build vs a class designed to loose against condi is 100% kek mode.

edit: here is the clue. if you want to roll turret engis just run a condi build. if you can play it alright you will roll them. they do not have enough condi removal to beat you.

the abjured currently run no eles. phanta is on medi. the only cele in the team in 5gauge.

robertul.3679:

Yes and wvw guilds also have very unskilled players so you will never feel like you are dragging them down. Win/win!

i mostly avoid playing with those guildies, but it’s alright for goofy pvp. two or three good players can carry pretty hard anyhow.

GhOst.4019:

choovanski.5462:

personally i do dungeon tracks for ectos, as my luck with champ bags is so abysmal. my magic find is good, but even when opening them in wvw i just get greens and a few rares.

That is because WvW is complete luck. Your magic find does not work on bags! The only bags/ chests that MF works on is those from reward tracks or Bandit chests in the Silverwastes! Here is the exact MF definition:

Magic Find is both an account bonus and a character attribute that increases the chance to receive higher-quality loot from slain foes. With a couple exceptions, it does not affect containers (including champion loot bags), chests, or any other source of loot.^{1 2} The exceptions are:

Containers received from structured PvP reward tracks.
Bandit chests in The Silverwastes [citation needed]

Also, I noticed you said you do it for ectos. My guess is your luck with inscriptions is extremely rare and nothing even close to his stated 60-70% rate. You will get more (in my experience) rares+ from Maguuma than the dungeon. Rares give you ectos too. There are too many dungeon boxes that will not provide even the chance to get rares or higher. You get token boxes (magumma has loot in place), and a chest with only 1 weapon (magumma gives you a few champ bags). The few champ bags will most likely yield at least 2 rares and thus give you more ectos in return. Not to mention the extra bag you get in place of the token boxes.

i meant i open the bags from pvp in wvw. regardless, you can also buy rares with tojens and forge or salvage those also. i get inscriptions from dire stat sets etc most of the time, but have only got three or so exotics from pvp that were not dungeon weapons. i’m not saying my method is mathematically superior, rather that i just have such bad luck i would prefer the ectos from the exotics.

personally i do dungeon tracks for ectos, as my luck with champ bags is so abysmal. my magic find is good, but even when opening them in wvw i just get greens and a few rares.

SYPHA.9283:

Takes me less than 10 secs to kill turret engie. I main a ranger. Im quite good. I dont even range the engie down. I go in use my invul and blast my AOE/CONDIS . Problem solved. Or if you prefer to meta build like 99% of the gw2 population, use an lb ranger or an staff ele or a shatter mes…the list goes on and on. If you die to turret engies you need to uninstall they arent good.

condition engineer is also 100% kek for fighting turret engineer.

Booms.3952:

choovanski.5462:

ideally you want minimum of 2 point holders, with the rest being dps. four zerker is possible, but very hard to pull off and i would say it necessitates a meditation guardian. starting with a healing shout warrior and a meditation guardian is a good idea as the two builds are super potent when combined, and provide a good support/dps base for the team.

avoid double ranger, mesmer and thief. ideally have people play their strongest class using a build that works well with the team. this is why having two mains is ideal, as you can switch without becoming a bad player (i can kill noone 1v1 on an ele for example).

looking at EU and NA tournaments for team comp ideas is good, especially EU as they are more creative.

actually medi guard + shoutbow is one of the worst 2v2 combos possible with current metabuilds

didn’t say 2v2, and didn’t say shoutbow. the meditation guardian gets both 2k medis and 2k shouts making them a monster from my experience. i play valk shoutheal with hammer sw/sh, and the ability to stunlock someone so they have to eat the whole GS burst from medi is brutal. regardless, i was only suggesting them as a team base as shout warrior is great support for the team, and meditation guardian is a self sufficient zerker.

i’ve heard necro engineer is the best 2v2, but i don’t know any good necromancers so i’ve never had the pleasure.

ideally you want minimum of 2 point holders, with the rest being dps. four zerker is possible, but very hard to pull off and i would say it necessitates a meditation guardian. starting with a healing shout warrior and a meditation guardian is a good idea as the two builds are super potent when combined, and provide a good support/dps base for the team.

avoid double ranger, mesmer and thief. ideally have people play their strongest class using a build that works well with the team. this is why having two mains is ideal, as you can switch without becoming a bad player (i can kill noone 1v1 on an ele for example).

looking at EU and NA tournaments for team comp ideas is good, especially EU as they are more creative.

i suggest joining a wvw guild. not only are they often large and have pvpers, but you gain access to your server’s teamspeak. most guilds have pvp channels are are more than happy to team up with people from other guilds for pvp.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

REVELATION ON HOW TO STOP 4v5:
If a player DCs, just que in a new player to join the match.

Pretty simple fix
Not sure why this hasn’t been added yet

how would you like to be put into a 4v5 where your team is already loosing?

it seems like it’s time to install teamspeak and join a guild

Arvin.3124:

choovanski.5462:

well, considering it’s a build that only works against people who can’t play all that well. you could just get better instead of asking for nerfs. i mean, it would fix your problem.

(i do know some builds can’t 1v1 the turret engineer, so if you run one of those builds just don’t fight it. i don’t try to 1v1 condi necro on cele enji, it’s my hard counter yo’)

The major part of the player base is mid-to-low tier solo queuers. With how often you face not one but two turret engis these days, and yes, the fact youre not playing with a coordinated team and are happy if people even say hi at the start of the match, they are just a totally not fun mechanic.

Sure, pro teams deal with them easily, but that is like, less than 1% of the pvp playerbase?

fighting my stunlock warrior, or my bomb engineer is also not fun for low level players. i have had people, mostly theives run from me on sight and try and hide behind bits of terrain so i cant get them. builds are not supposed to be fun to fight against, ideally they should be fun to play- but that’s down to player preference.

personally I don’t see a lot of turret engis at all, but maybe my rank and mmr are too high for it idk. regardless bad players are going to get owned, because they are bad. things shouldn’t be nerfed so people who are bad at playing can deal with it, because they will be able to deal with it when they get better. i used to have no idea how to fight mesmers, and get rolled never being able find them or kill them. but guess what buster? i talked to and dueld a mesmer main in my guild, and made my very own mesmer. now i can deal with them.

long story short: learning how to beat the build, especially when it only works vs people with low skill, is much more effective than asking for nerfs on the forums.

Roe.3679:

witcher.3197:

Roe.3679:

You missed a few groups:
- (…)
- players who really don’t care and choose this map to troll players like yourself

Call me an elitist any day, at least I’m not playing for the sake of preventing other people from having fun.

First, it’s pvp. It’s literally about killing and controlling other players. Is that fun for them? It’s not fun for me to get focused on my necro, the same way it’s not fun for the engineers that I condi-bomb. Second, it’s not their problem if you don’t have fun in courtyard, it’s yours. If it rustles your jimmies so much, isn’t that just to your opponents advantage? You can queue ranked if it’s so bad.

one of the best parts about courtyard is how hard you can rustle jimmies. 500-25 is such a nice score to get, and one 100% earned. you have to 5 man teamfight for the whole game and not screw up, getting all those clutch resses and stomps, calling everything on TS with your team, running strong support builds.

Azrael.4960:

BlackTruth.6813:

Because playing as a DPS takes actual skill. Not like Power Necro, Ranger or Guardian with their infinite evades and instant cast offense and defense.

Also so good at baiting dodges and stun breaks in PvP. Literally everything you do people are inclined to dodge or burn a defensive cool down if you DO make in range.

Putting these words in the same sentence should be considered heresy

idk bud.. Life Blast feels pretty instant cast to me.

i think I’ve actually hit a player with that skill once. feel like there should be an ‘F Master’ title for multiple hits.

feel like amulets need to be taken into account as well as class. just had a game with four zerkers who all insta downed to focus, with me (valk shout warr) the only person who could stand on point. i knew instantly from the team comps we had lost, and we did. zerker should be limited to three per team. four zerker fails without TS.

i love playing courtyard with a 5man from my WvW guild all on TS. so brutal, so satisfying.

just let us use skills midair. simple

speed should be halved imo

well, considering it’s a build that only works against people who can’t play all that well. you could just get better instead of asking for nerfs. i mean, it would fix your problem.

(i do know some builds can’t 1v1 the turret engineer, so if you run one of those builds just don’t fight it. i don’t try to 1v1 condi necro on cele enji, it’s my hard counter yo’)

the community really needs to remember that engineer loses to condi builds really hard.

oh you know, J Chill It

Mork vom Ork.2598:

Power rangers cannot be defeated!

just roll green ranger. dragon zord OP

Vieux P.1238:

choovanski.5462:

Vieux P.1238:

In spvp for example…
The builds are the problem, sure. The math don’t add up. That’s why some classes are meta, & some are not. The problem is how are thing’s added up & attributed to each classes. Traits are the main source of problem fast followed by the skill’s & utilities. Instead of just starting all classes more or less in the same damage & Defensive output & add only little differences by adding a bit more damage & a bit more defense & ect… , it’s the opposite. The trais & skill’s determines if you win or loose. Witch in turn creates metas & builds that need absolutely no skill to play. & ppl playing does call themselves pro. tsk tsk tsk!

1v1 a top player with a mirror meta build. if meta takes no skill, surely you should win 50% of the time right?

Dha! 2 players playing the same class & meta….50/50%. Is’nt your remark kinda pointless? Like whoes arguing that? ..lol

i was being sarcastic, you would lose every duel. (my reference of top players is gameplay and 1v1s with caed… if the rest if them are like him then dude you don’t have a chance.)

Vieux P.1238:

In spvp for example…
The builds are the problem, sure. The math don’t add up. That’s why some classes are meta, & some are not. The problem is how are thing’s added up & attributed to each classes. Traits are the main source of problem fast followed by the skill’s & utilities. Instead of just starting all classes more or less in the same damage & Defensive output & add only little differences by adding a bit more damage & a bit more defense & ect… , it’s the opposite. The trais & skill’s determines if you win or loose. Witch in turn creates metas & builds that need absolutely no skill to play. & ppl playing does call themselves pro. tsk tsk tsk!

1v1 a top player with a mirror meta build. if meta takes no skill, surely you should win 50% of the time right?

condi necro in wvw with access to dire gear +condi food looses to condi theif… asks fror reduced damage, which means with both builds using conditions they are actually asking for their own damage to be nerfed. OP wants to be nerfed.

wonder if he ever thinks about all those condition transfers he has.. wonder if he’s ever used them?

your problems stem from playing hotjoin. play unranked.

i use use hotjoin for lols and build testing, and i like that there is a chaotic goofy place for it.

Hachiman.2470:

choovanski.5462:

eh, sometimes i stop, sometimes i just want to finish the dude off

….That’s what she said.

she seems pretty cool

MeTx.6712:

choovanski.5462:

well, the winners of WTS were not the abjured and they ran only one ele. sure, basically every team brings one of them, but the same used to be said of bunker class. d/d ele + thief just seems to be what most teams are built from.

regardless it’s never stopped me from abandoning my two mains. i play them well and they perform well, often killing d/d 1v1.

Right, sorry. Orange Logo*.

And it’s not that I have abandoned ranger, but experiencing crafting a team, using the right professions and such, suddenly made me realise the lack of space for my ranger. I’m more easily countered than other professions doing the same role. I could take you through the whole conversation, but we ended up at guard, engi, ele/warr, ele, and thief. (thank god I play one of those!)

Orange Logo actually loose reasonably often in EU. i think you need to watch more EU Go4 cups, i’ve seen double thief win, and 55hp run a clerics staff ele. EU are more creative build and comp wise than NA, and weirdly enough they haven’t had one team just dominate the scene. abjured’s rule over NA shows the flaw will always rolling meta, that or NA players are just worse.

if you dont like kit swapping you should either practice it or reroll. grenade kit is in the meta for WvW, PvE, and PvP so ya’ cant neglect that either.

well, the winners of WTS were not the abjured and they ran only one ele. sure, basically every team brings one of them, but the same used to be said of bunker class. d/d ele + thief just seems to be what most teams are built from.

regardless it’s never stopped me from abandoning my two mains. i play them well and they perform well, often killing d/d 1v1.

eh, sometimes i stop, sometimes i just want to finish the dude off

Nezia.8154:

Tomerant.2701:

I found myself fighting besides lv 20, lv3, lv80 while other team was full 80.

What level are you talking about? You mean PvE level(the number you see in party UI)?
Because PvE level doesn’t matter at all.

Tomerant.2701:

I couldn’t use any of my utility skills that I use in leveling.

You can access ALL utility skills while in the Heart of the Mists. Just click the arrow up in the utility slot and replace it with whatever you like.

Tomerant.2701:

Yes, I’m aware that you get scaled up to 80. But what’s the point if you still wear crap weapons and deal lot less dmg than some 80.

You can PvP NAKED (Just make sure you equip weapons). All your PvE armor and weapons don’t matter at all. Click the “PvP Build” icon in the upper center of the screen while in the Heart of the Mists, and build your toon however you like.

you need chest, legs and boots for pvp. they are the only items that effect your armour value. I have had many people disagree with me on this, but before you do test it ingame yourself.

i’ll play it for sure i already main two classes so i doubt it will end up being a main- i mean engineer hammer is probably going to be all i play.

ive been using http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNAS8enMdQpgW5BeeAnIGoKoQXAPQAoqHSfCddKA-TZBBwAkLDw5IAA4BAg5iAUd/BA lately. the sword gives the build speed and final thrust (shield bash sets it up so well). valk amulet is super tough, and the build has four 2k shoutheals. the fury from signet of rage and FGJ are super important. mostly just camp hammer unless you want to use a skill on the sword, usually final thrust.

nice to see hammer-shout-valk becoming a thing.