Guild Wars 2

Arius.7031:

clint.5681:

Didn’t DH almost lose to FC, the server we almost beat by 100k? And didn’t DH lose to us by almost 50k? I’m not saying you guys didn’t improve or whatever but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

Again, lol, HoD is stomping you as bad as they did us AND we matched HoD at night time. This means that, while you may roflstomp us at primetime, you may find your lead gone when you wake up. Further, consider what happened in the GoM Vs. FC Vs. Dh match of epicness. We were behind both servers by 10k, then suddenly, out of no where, we pretty much took over the match. Since then, our coverage has improved quite a bit and so has our defense, and we’re just as lethal on the offense as we always were.

I agree, let’s not jump to any conclusions. Dh is still the underdog in the match against SF, but I think you’d be quite silly to rule Dh out. We’re gunning for you, but that doesn’t mean we’re better than you/will beat you. We may not even stand a chance against you, time will tell, but we’re just trying to think things through. And take not. HoD is a server that literally just came off of fighting us and is currently fighting you, so they have a pretty good idea of each server’s capabilities, whereas your data is from week 1.

I’m not ruling anyone out, but unless you have got some transfers and we lose more people to people getting tired of leagues, how has anything changed? I’m sure if your coverage and tactics has gotten better then we will indeed have a closer match, but I’m seeing some puzzling stamens from you and others in this thread.

We matched HoD at prime time and had the lead several times over the weekend which is more than your server can say, so what is the point in bringing HoD into this?

Jeknar.6184:

clint.5681:

Didn’t DH almost lose to FC, the server we almost beat by 100k? And didn’t DH lose to us by almost 50k? I’m not saying you guys didn’t improve or whatever but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

ET beat Kain, Kain beat AR, and AR is beating ET.

Your argument is invalid…

And we beat them all and DH hasn’t beaten anyone that has beat us. So no my argument isn’t invalid and that has nothing to do with us.

The only improvement to be made to that map is to delete it or put some freaking walls up.

They play different roles and don’t have the same counters or purpose on a team.

Don’t forget bunker spirit regen ranger

Didn’t DH almost lose to FC, the server we almost beat by 100k? And didn’t DH lose to us by almost 50k? I’m not saying you guys didn’t improve or whatever but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

I didn’t like how we all just stood there and watched her walk away. Why did we do that?

Look or post this in the WvW recruitment subforum and you will get a lot ,ore responses

Trust me I lost my aetherized hammer to this, it doesn’t work that way.

aspirine.6852:

Put the kitten toxics in the jp’s in wvw, that’s filled with pve people anyway.

Yeah put them right after that jump down into the JP

Why is our thread so lame now

I dont even know whats happening in this thread anymore

They need to add DR to all CC, especially immobilize

Jeknar.6184:

Righteous.4307:

Arius.7031:

HoD folks, do you think Dh will stand a chance against SF in week 7?

Replying to this awefully late, but yes. I do. I think that you will probably need to step up your tactics because SF will outnumber you during peak NA hours, but yes you have a pretty good shot.

I’ll be helping DH on that… Sorry big bro, but you’re going down! You disapointed me by losing to HoD… (Can’t speak for the rest of the server tho)

Meh we went into our fight with HoD with realistic expectations. Still couldn’t see us losing to DH unless most of us stopped playing by the time that match comes around.

kitten they need to do something, I mean transferring to SF costs the same as a transfer to SoR

Yeah that happened to me for a day and I didn’t get any notice from a mod telling me that would happen.

Elite skills in gw1 could be game changers, elite skills in gw2 are all but useless

Banzie.5248:

Inb4 Coverage=Skill

Lol man I love your posts Beyonder, and yeah all that spamming on the last page by HoD was unneeded.

Requiem.8769:

The good ol’ Burnfall. He’s still at it.

Huh I thought his name was Burnfail

Draygo.9473:

dasging.2980:

I’m neither for nor against trolling ppl in the wvw jp,s. But there is a line. If someone is clearly running away from you, show a little common courtesy and let them be. At the end of the day is it really worth making someone’s life harder just for 2 mithril ore?

Just because someone is running from me in wvw I should let them go?

LOL. How little you understand about wvw. I’ve had zergs and guild groups alike chase me from one end of the map to the other just to kill one person.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

clint.5681:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Mercabre.7123:

styx.7294:

Look, I understand, Henge of Denravi wants to feel kitten but I am going to give you tough love. It’s ’cause I care.

“Slowed down?” More like tucked tail and hid under the rug. NSP tried to do the same but got called out on it, and their roaming guilds that don’t normally care about PPT actually rose up to carry their server to silver. I still like my pals on HoD and SF, but as whole servers, you’re still a bunch of cowards for tanking to dodge silver league.

Ahh we never had a chance at silver, we were rank 20 before the leagues started and hadn’t been above rank 18 since august. Not sure why you threw our name in there. Complaining about HoD not going to silver will get you nowhere anyway since only a set number of servers could be in silver at one time. So either you would have got NSP or IOJ or HoD but you would have been complaining either way.

My apologies, there were three servers accused of tanking at the time and I think I got SF mixed up with KN (who ended up just being hit with massive population drops instead of actually tanking).

Either way, I’m definitely not complaining. Most of our matches will be against tougher opponents anyways and I much prefer that than roflstomping servers below us. I do, however, question the testicular fortitude of players who would rather dip than play. Why play a game if there’s no challenge to it? To each their own, I guess. I can’t see any fun in buying a game, then immediately setting it to Easy and feeling good about succeeding at it.

Ahh i feel you, thats why this match is more interesting for me than the last 3 weeks of rolfstomping the rest of bronze.

If rewards were such a big deal to you, you would have switched servers before the season started. If you are only playing in WvW just for the season awards then maybe thats not the game mode for you and you should slide on back to pve.

And SF and HoD

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Mercabre.7123:

styx.7294:

Look, I understand, Henge of Denravi wants to feel kitten but I am going to give you tough love. It’s ’cause I care.

“Slowed down?” More like tucked tail and hid under the rug. NSP tried to do the same but got called out on it, and their roaming guilds that don’t normally care about PPT actually rose up to carry their server to silver. I still like my pals on HoD and SF, but as whole servers, you’re still a bunch of cowards for tanking to dodge silver league.

Ahh we never had a chance at silver, we were rank 20 before the leagues started and hadn’t been above rank 18 since august. Not sure why you threw our name in there. Complaining about HoD not going to silver will get you nowhere anyway since only a set number of servers could be in silver at one time. So either you would have got NSP or IOJ or HoD but you would have been complaining either way.

capmasterflash.5690:

Brick Tamland.6507:

Nice try seed.

My boy Back Stabbed! I’ve been loving seeing my picture in all the [MU] screenshots.

Great fights GoM and SF!

Also, nice post Blade. While I agree with everything you said, I don’t think SF’s WvW guilds require the same level of detail in build uniformity and group composition that some of the HoD WvW guilds do. Back in tier 1 and 2, you really had to looking to find somebody walking around w/ glass armor on. I find that in Bronze league there is a movable feast of squishy bads roaming about.

That is true, only guild I know that requires certain gear is StaR, we really don’t have many hardcore WvW guilds that require stuff like that. In the perfect world people in zergs wouldn’t be using zerker gear but i don’t think people like telling others how to play.

Arius.7031:

clint.5681:

So did everyone forget about our fight week 1?

That was weeks ago… We’ve changed.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/28/119

HoD pulled way ahead of us for 2 days, which was around the time when Dh pretty much gave up. Before that (on monday of our matchup) we were closer to HoD than you are.

Alright, well will see like you said. I’d rather have an interesting make than a blow out any day.

So did everyone forget about our fight week 1?

We can still beat DH and FC without a problem, lets not get too happy here lol

I don’t think the moderator has noticed this thread yet, they got our third thread (RIP awesome third thread)

Solstice.1097:

i still don’t know how we beat SF 2 weeks before leagues started. they must have just not been prepared.

SF was going through some things at the time and we weren’t playing as a server or helping each other. That was something that was brought up and we tried to work on. Losing to FC was a good wake up call for us.

I think what he was saying is that HoD had no reason to field as many numbers against DH as they have against SF since you weren’t a real threat to them. So keeping that in mind we could very well be fighting a different HoD than you fought a few days ago since I assume they came out the gate taking us seriously.

That being said it was a competitive weekend HoD and it was fun and you have given my server stuff to think about and shown us more ways to improve. The few times I was on this weekend I saw some interesting tactics and you do seem to have a guild or two that specializes in zergbusting.

Axe/mace is a great combo in spvp and WvW and most people aren’t used to fighting it. I’ve been running it for a month, I’m sure after the hammer nerf a lot more ppl will be using that or condition builds.

Fire is better in all cases since it is aoe there is pnt a big damage difference. Like you said it’s also helpful when fighting mesmers of thieves who are in stealth etc.

The only people who really have the a problem wight the runes are the same ppl who call thieves OP and the same people who can’t simply dodge a slow warrior hammer attack.

Our Pvers abandoned us lol

Brigg.3961:

I thought by this point we all understood how the whole numbers thing worked. I blame the league thing for ruining solo roaming though. It just ain’t safe out there no more! I tried solo roaming a few times over the last few days and even ran into a few roaming groups hoping for a little one on one action. Didn’t happen though. I have died so many times this week because of that lol

Yup solo or small group roaming is hard to find this days, one of the main reasons I don’t like leagues

Well we will see how the scores look once the weekday hits. I doubt AR can keep up with ET during the weekday, thy have forever been in last place for a reason.

Dovgan.8605:

clint.5681:

Dovgan.8605:

clint.5681:

Dovgan.8605:

MrFluffy.9307:

Dovgan.8605:

pedrst.3127:

@Anvil Rock zerg in EB, don’t take a squishy thief as your commander, else our 4 man will drop him infront of your whole zerg :P

Why would anyone feel the need to post this?

Uh .. congrats on killing someone!

Commanders, regardless of class, are a target to any organized group for obvious reasons, and any decent 4 man should be able to drop one with a target assist regardless of what class he/she plays. It’s an expected hazard of choosing to tag up.

if it’s an expected hazard then why handicap yourself by playing one of the squishiest classes? Commanders should either be warrior or guardian…

An interesting take on what a commander should be. You do realize built/played correctly that most classes can be just as solid/tanky as a guardian or warrior, right? I have also seen both the before mentioned classes melt under focus fire just as fast as a thief. Although an interesting perspective as to what class a commander “should” be. Heck, a heavily bunkered necro is a far tankier choice than either guardian or warrior due to a huge base health pool and DS. You also need to take into account commanding style into whichever class you choose for commanding. Any player, regardless of the class they play, can be effective as a commander. Coming to the forums declaring that only 2 classes should command is absurd and uneducated.

Necrosis don’t have access to high armor or protection or stability.

Actually wrong on all 3 counts…
Spectral Wall = Protection
Spectral Armor = Protection
Lich Form = Stability
Plague = Stability

Reasonably high armor and one of the best condition removal sets in the game.
Traited Stability on DS as well, and two massive health bars.

But like I said, uneducated about different classes.

I have a Necro I am aware of the fact that they have high and a second health bar of 15k hp. We have a commander that is a Necro and does well. I’m not saying Necro is a terrible class to command with or that it’s impossible to do so in a Necro. What I’m saying is there is no better bunker than a bunker Guard or Warrior and no other class has the survailability of those two.

Reasonabiliy high armor compared to what exactly?

I also like how you ignored the rest of what I said just so you could attack one line.

If you have a necro then how come you are not aware that you have access to 3 separate sources of stability? You do have access to protection in multiple forms, and you can build high armor without an issue. You also have ready multiple condition removals fears and blinds. I am not attacking the one line, just pointing out you are wrong. I don’t expect you to come to terms with it, after all, you don’t even belong on this thread, however the point stands, you are wrong. The rest of the quote is summed up entirely in that one line. And the fact is you can build as tanky as any other class if you have any clue as to what you are doing. You proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you don’t, I just pointed it out.

My point as I have repeatedly pointed it out is the fact that there are no other classes that can bunker as well as a guard or warrior. Now you have avoided responding to that point and tried to focus on other things but you and everyone else know that I’m right. If you think I’m wrong then I challenge you to point out that class that can do it better.

Yes other classes can bunker and be effective at it, yes other classes can command and do it well. Necro is a viable class for commanding, all I was pointing out was the reason people like the guy from the above post say that Guardians and Warriors are the best commanders is because their class mechanics make them the best at staying alive. Any class can command, it comes down to player skill at the end of the day but certain classes are better.

Also I belong on any thread I chose post in seeing how these are public forums. I can see if I went your server website and slid in there causing a ruckus but I didn’t. If you don’t have a counter argument besides the fact that I’m not in your current match up then just stop.

Dovgan.8605:

clint.5681:

Dovgan.8605:

MrFluffy.9307:

Dovgan.8605:

pedrst.3127:

@Anvil Rock zerg in EB, don’t take a squishy thief as your commander, else our 4 man will drop him infront of your whole zerg :P

Why would anyone feel the need to post this?

Uh .. congrats on killing someone!

Commanders, regardless of class, are a target to any organized group for obvious reasons, and any decent 4 man should be able to drop one with a target assist regardless of what class he/she plays. It’s an expected hazard of choosing to tag up.

if it’s an expected hazard then why handicap yourself by playing one of the squishiest classes? Commanders should either be warrior or guardian…

An interesting take on what a commander should be. You do realize built/played correctly that most classes can be just as solid/tanky as a guardian or warrior, right? I have also seen both the before mentioned classes melt under focus fire just as fast as a thief. Although an interesting perspective as to what class a commander “should” be. Heck, a heavily bunkered necro is a far tankier choice than either guardian or warrior due to a huge base health pool and DS. You also need to take into account commanding style into whichever class you choose for commanding. Any player, regardless of the class they play, can be effective as a commander. Coming to the forums declaring that only 2 classes should command is absurd and uneducated.

Necrosis don’t have access to high armor or protection or stability.

Actually wrong on all 3 counts…
Spectral Wall = Protection
Spectral Armor = Protection
Lich Form = Stability
Plague = Stability

Reasonably high armor and one of the best condition removal sets in the game.
Traited Stability on DS as well, and two massive health bars.

But like I said, uneducated about different classes.

I have a Necro I am aware of the fact that they have high and a second health bar of 15k hp. We have a commander that is a Necro and does well. I’m not saying Necro is a terrible class to command with or that it’s impossible to do so in a Necro. What I’m saying is there is no better bunker than a bunker Guard or Warrior and no other class has the survailability of those two.

Reasonabiliy high armor compared to what exactly?

I also like how you ignored the rest of what I said just so you could attack one line.

adrian.4962:

clint.5681:

changing your mindset and playing gw2 as gw2.

Would love to, as soon as gw2 has a play style for dungeons. It’s just 5 man zergs. If you get the right mix in the zerg, nice, easy mode, if you don’t, wipe…

In the end you need a specific team build up with professions and builds. In fact gw2 with they “brilliant” dungeon system made things even worse than having 1 tank, 1 healer and X dsp. If you look in the LFP list you see stuff like “need warrior” or “need guardian”, but not any kind of warrior or guardian, they need specific builds.

Right now it’s worse than World of Warcraft from several years ago when you needed the exact number of classes and builds.

I understand what most of the fanboys are saying, but please look at the game with a more critical eye. If you think nothing is wrong, well, I don’t think there would be anything I can write here to change your mind

You don’t need specific builds or classes to get through any of the dungeon. All you need is 5 people with brains. You can go through dungeons faster with certain gear and knowledge of the dungeon. Certain classes can help you go through dungeons faster like someone else said, but the problem is you are still looking at dungeons and the game in general wrong.

coglin.1867:

You mean after they just added “Antitoxin Spray” you ask for a standard condition removal ??

Seems odd that your asking Anet to do something that they just did in the last update.

Thats not a meaningful heal or condition removal and you missed his point completely.

I think the problem is your trying to play Guild Wars 2 as WoW or some other MMO instead of changing your mindset and playing gw2 as gw2.

Oh yeah I ran this yesterday, took my party like 1.5 hours which is a long kitten time. But it does sound like he may be talking about the 2nd to last boss since the last one isn’t hard.

I’m sure one of these kind folks will bless you with a GvG Bruce

Dovgan.8605:

MrFluffy.9307:

Dovgan.8605:

pedrst.3127:

@Anvil Rock zerg in EB, don’t take a squishy thief as your commander, else our 4 man will drop him infront of your whole zerg :P

Why would anyone feel the need to post this?

Uh .. congrats on killing someone!

Commanders, regardless of class, are a target to any organized group for obvious reasons, and any decent 4 man should be able to drop one with a target assist regardless of what class he/she plays. It’s an expected hazard of choosing to tag up.

if it’s an expected hazard then why handicap yourself by playing one of the squishiest classes? Commanders should either be warrior or guardian…

An interesting take on what a commander should be. You do realize built/played correctly that most classes can be just as solid/tanky as a guardian or warrior, right? I have also seen both the before mentioned classes melt under focus fire just as fast as a thief. Although an interesting perspective as to what class a commander “should” be. Heck, a heavily bunkered necro is a far tankier choice than either guardian or warrior due to a huge base health pool and DS. You also need to take into account commanding style into whichever class you choose for commanding. Any player, regardless of the class they play, can be effective as a commander. Coming to the forums declaring that only 2 classes should command is absurd and uneducated.

There a no classes more tanky than a warrior or guardian. Necrosis don’t have access to high armor or protection or stability. DS doesn’t mean anything if you are stunned/knocked back and it is burst down. You can build a tough Necro but he won’t be as tough as a bunker war or guard ever.

I felt like we needed another thread to talk about the SF/HoD match up. I mean we have 3 so far, why not four?

Do it bro DO IT

Updated The guild guide! WoooooooooooooooooT!

Miraluna.3627:

What about using colors instead of servers to fill out the maps? If we are back to the randomized colors each week we had before leagues, then all the red servers could be allied in Edge of the Mists for that week, all the blue allied, and all the green allied. That would keep server communities together but help with population coverage.

Sounds fun to me #teamblue