Nova [rT]
You can slowly walk without swiftness if you get pulled. It’s a joke.
P3 jp still working. P2 swimming not. Mage crusher got..interesting. Still no p1 wp after tar.
Now you won’t have to use a trident!
Nova [rT]
I really hope they don’t see this new trend of ‘puzzly’ fractals as their go-to for designing new fractals. I really hate it and they should really put in more combat oriented stuff.
Nova [rT]
Again, it isn’t up to us to prove him wrong, its up to him to prove himself right. I wasn’t there for that run but I don’t think any of the people who were there would be willing to spend 5-10 hours getting a good run just to prove someone, who is clearly wrong and isn’t even willing to prove himself right, wrong.
Nova [rT]
They did use FGS, did you even watch it?
Nova [rT]
What happens if you are, say, wearing a warhorn with bloodlust and an axe with force, then swap to an axe with bloodlust and after that swap your warhorn to sword with energy, will you keep your stacks?
Nova [rT]
Did they fix Arah waypoints, underwater and jumping puzzles at the same time?
They fixed the one spot I knew of to get underwater, not sure if there are more, but there probably are.
Nova [rT]
Lol’d @ smoke field cd after belka, just as good as thief indeed
Nova [rT]
Nobody uses FGS on the burrows in p3. That’s ridiculous. What you do is get 2 eles, so 4 icebows, then go in teams of two. 2x Ice Storm on the 1st burrow = insta-dea. 2x Ice Storm on the 2nd burrow = insta-dead. Then on the run to the 3rd and 4th burrows at the far end on the room, Ice Storm gets off CD for everyone, so do the same thing. There is no need whatsoever for an FGS. You should have given that ele a good scolding for using FGS where he shouldn’t have, and thus depriving the group of it for the last boss.
Or just let pugs be pugs and move the kitten on.
Nova [rT]
Yeah… I wanna see before I judge.
Btw, did you miss this “Adjusted the drop rates for ascended weapon and armor boxes in higher-level fractals; drop rates now scale better with each fractal level.”?
Nova [rT]
I can +1 on this guild since I know one of them.
Tell Aco he’s still a scrub :p
We don’t have to tell him, he knows.
Nova [rT]
5 minutes for nightmare tree with a 5 man team…? o.O
But yeah nightmare tree is a kitten. I did it myself on ele a few times and it always ends up as kiting the oakhearts while trying to dodge their immobilize and ranging the tree.
Nova [rT]
Guang’s view on this thread: http://i.imgur.com/wloQx.gif
Nova [rT]
Warrior is defnitely the easiest to start with (except for a couple of specific paths). Pick the dungeon path you feel you have most experience in and just try!
Nova [rT]
Solo dredge sandy, that’ll show him.
Nova [rT]
This thread may be a year old but that doesn’t make it any less funny that somebody out there thought that world events where you hit 1 and alt tab were both challenging and fun to the point of perfection. Also if you somehow die while alt tabbed, it has zero effect on the outcome of the battle except that someone else gets daily revive progress before you are allowed to collect your dropped loot.
And then somebody necro’d the thread to agree.
Yes and my agreement was totally sincere and non-sarcastically/jokingly stated.
Nova [rT]
I think that might actually be the same guy, since he was french too. Was his name Koneko ____ ? He was also an ele and spelled it “dongon”.
Indeed.
Saw him on the LFG again, this time he was selling p4 skip for ele’s. That guy is going places!
Nova [rT]
There’s basically three camps of people out there:
-snip-
3) Actual theorycrafters. People who make the meta by way of actually understanding how the game works rather than going on the basis of “it looks like this profession does a lot of damage” -snip- and it can be hard to tell the real ones from the posers who just make up numbers.
It’s not that hard, actually.
Nova [rT]
I think this pic speaks for itself.
It really does.
I heard they were writing a tutorial on how to duo p4 100% legit no exploits boss at 1%.
Sadly only in french.
I think that might actually be the same guy, since he was french too. Was his name Koneko ____ ? He was also an ele and spelled it “dongon”.
Nova [rT]
Ofcourse we knew that. Just like we knew he would say we were scared because we wouldn’t run it. He’s pretty predictable.
Nova [rT]
And yes, I am ignoring the rT casuals now, it’s been like four pages and they haven’t given me anything worth responding to. I will apologize in advance to anyone in rT who isn’t intentionally being ignorant though, I don’t want to stereotype the entire guild on account of a couple of bad apples.
Neither have you, tbh.
Nova [rT]
With FGS changes the comp slightly, engie is still in the FGS comp though so it’s not like it affects the core argument. You’d likely be looking at warrior, 2 eles, engineer, then mesmer or guardian for the last slot.
Meanwhile no one bothers to actually try to dispute any of the points or provide an alternative other than “hurr ur build sux i could do so much better”.
So if you think you can do better let’s hear it, otherwise I can just chalk you all up as another of those “LFG 4 more zerk dps war” wannabe meta types.
As we have already said in posts before, thief/3ele/war or thief/2ele/war/guard if you wanna be a bit safer is faster than what you have come up with.
Oh, and please show us your superfast run with your own comp, otherwise we can all just chalk you up as “hurr durrr my eggcel say i more deeps so imfustur l0lll”
Nova [rT]
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a non-FGS run (which is what I thought we were doing)
“Guys, we need to fell some trees, and though we have axes, saws and other power tools that would make the job fast and efficient, I suggest we ditch them in favour of using our bare hands, some kitchen knives and this slinky”.
More like: “Guys, I gave an answer that you all showed me was completely wrong and stupid, so now I’m quickly saying that there was this other factor i was accounting for and that’s why it sounds stupid ^.^”
Nova [rT]
People are dumb. They kick you for being a ranger because they are dumb. I’d rather get kicked by that kind of people than convince them to take me and then run a dungeon with those dumb people.
Nova [rT]
So,
recommended professions to have are: ele, warrior, guardian… and maybe thief?That totally depends on the path.
Sorry, my English is not very good. I meant lvl 80 toons that everyone one should have. Then you use one or other accordint path and party.
Ah, thought you meant in dungeon runs :P my bad!
Nova [rT]
We never specified no FGS, so that’s a gigantic cop-out.
Not that your post makes any sense either way, but still.
Nova [rT]
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So,
recommended professions to have are: ele, warrior, guardian… and maybe thief?
That totally depends on the path. Every class has its uses in some dungeon path or other (well… maybe not necro) but for record runs you want to pick what is best and what will get you the fastest time. Necro and engi will definitely not be on the list because anything they can do, others can do better (especially in a controlled, organized environment). Ranger may have some use somewhere but we haven’t seen it yet (except in that one Arah p3 troll vid).
Nova [rT]
Nah, [IX]
Ok, because the same thing happened to me earlier today, only I was one of the 2 pugs ^^
Nova [rT]
3 guidies (incl me) and 2 pugs. We die on lupi, 2 pugs finish him off for us. I think I’ve lost all my dignity today….
You aren’t in [Mayh] or something like that are you?
Nova [rT]
Ele’s are currently the best only because their conjured weapons are unbalanced and do stupidly high amounts of damage, inc nerf.
Doesn’t change the fact that engi’s are pretty useless. And they’ve been OP for a loooong time now, don’t see a nerf coming anytime soon.
Nova [rT]
I would just love to see the non-linear instances come back, where you have a bunch of tasks to complete (10/11 quests in UW/FoW) which you can complete in your own order and in your own way. Much like AC story, where after killing the champion in the middle platform where Kholer is in explorable (Foefire’s Heart) you have to kill 3 bosses, but it is up to you in which order to kill them.
Nova [rT]
RIP in pieces SNAFU
Nova [rT]
No one actually said they would run anything you came up with, so nobody is backing out.
And yeah, a record run isn’t all about DPS, you have to consider skips between bosses, CD management, encounter-specific strategies etc.
Nova [rT]
I agree with title, please fix game!
Nova [rT]
Yea for record runs ele’s will always be best for sure unless they are nerfed into “class not found” status; for good, decent or great runs though, I think what I said will be more than viable. I think record runs really just showcase more burst dps classes + skip abilities + clever mesmer portal usage rather than sustained dps or the matter.
Weren’t we discussing Guang’s claim that we dont use engi or ranger in record runs because we are too bad?
Edit:
Correction: They don’t take YOUR engi or staff ele into speedruns because YOU suck.
Nova [rT]
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The only thing engi brings in a speedrun is unreliable stealth and lower dps than thief. Doesnt make sense to ever use one. Ranger could be used in some situations but usually an extra ele instead of ranger will be better. Ranger is not an option in arah p2 simply because of alphard. Pets and spirits dont dodge and often the pet will stand inside alphards hitbox and cause a bomb even while reflects are up
What about Guang’s claim of might stacking and vulnerability?
You already have ele’s for might stacking which can easily reach 25, thief and ele’s and warrior will do 25 vuln with fgs, so that adds nothing.
Also I think you can burst alphard down with fgs fast enough like dub said so she won’t use the pull.
Nova [rT]
You’d want at least two eles, one warrior and a thief for path 2. The last spot is basically free to fill up, should usually contain an elementalist or a guardian. All depending on tactics, of course. I imagine a third elementalist could come ahead of a guardian, at the cost of quite some safety, though. As for rangers, mesmers and engis, though, they have absolutely no spot.
Just to give you a raw idea what a possible team composition for said path could look like.Idk, I don’t think taking an ele over guardian is worth it, especially for lupi & alphard where reflects are king. 2 ele/thief/war/guard is what I’d say.
I think that is a pretty staple group composition right there, guard for reflects + aegis + decent dps, eles for damage and might stacks and blinds, war for dps + banners (if no eles then he could PS). Basically the thief is the only thing the engi could sort of replace for the 17 seconds of stealth (smoke bomb + toss elixir S if i recall which goes over the 12 second stealth cap, warning have not personally tested).
With that said i guess to really merit the ranger in a party, we have to measure how much damage increase spotter + frost spirit would equate to in terms of dps increase since the ranger + pets dps fully buffed is so low. Then again, if the ranger is just going to use say the LH from the ele or FGS, then he should be dealing respectable damage. For that reason I would prefer to have either 1 ranger or 1 mesmer in my dream comp, but not both at the same time.
So in closing, a ranger could be good if he uses the eles LH a good % of the time. Especially for burst fights with the signet of wild (25% extra damage)
We are talking record run composition here, if you could use the eles to reflect lupi p2, then I guess you can replace guard with ranger, although I think adding just a third ele will be a bigger DPS boost (not really a number guy, so don’t hold me to that ^^). Engi for stealth is just too unpractical, thief gives way more stealth and does more damage with conjures so it’s miles ahead.
Nova [rT]
Well, ele’sploits at Lupicus. Magnetic Wave becomes epic strong 50k reflects if everyone stacks up correctly. As for Alphard, you’d simply save up two fgs’s to burst her down within 2-12 seconds. As for safety, a guardian surely is the better choice. You just lose quite some damage and especially movement speed.
If you can that at lupi with ele then yea that would be the better choice :P
Nova [rT]
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You’d want at least two eles, one warrior and a thief for path 2. The last spot is basically free to fill up, should usually contain an elementalist or a guardian. All depending on tactics, of course. I imagine a third elementalist could come ahead of a guardian, at the cost of quite some safety, though. As for rangers, mesmers and engis, though, they have absolutely no spot.
Just to give you a raw idea what a possible team composition for said path could look like.
Idk, I don’t think taking an ele over guardian is worth it, especially for lupi & alphard where reflects are king. 2 ele/thief/war/guard is what I’d say.
Nova [rT]
Id happily test a team comp he comes up with if it actually made atleast some sense. That comp for p2 just seems like a troll comp.
Not going to waste my time on a composition which we know 100% wont succeed before we even try it.
Pretty much this. Anyone with a modicum of experience can tell you that this it is a complete waste of time to even test. And the whole burden of truth thing, too ^.^
Nova [rT]
Well, for P2 you’ll want:
1) Stealth for skips. Engineer can provide this.
2) Reflects for Lupi. Engi or ranger could technically do this but mesmer is probably ideal. Mesmer helps with Alphard too since 100% reflect uptime and she does a lot of damage to herself as well.
3) Lots of DPS for everything else.So ideally you’d probably want to go something like EA warrior, staff ele, DPS-spec rifle/nade engie, reflect-spec mesmer, and Spotter/FS ranger.
I’d primarily be concerned about the ranger having problems with Belka’s fire AOEs and the mesmer not doing much damage against abom due to the abom’s swing killing phantasms. You could probably substitute a guardian as well and see how that works out, then make up the DPS loss with another ele or something.
I’d also be interested to see if ranger spirits increase Lupi shots and if a traited Whirling Defense works to reflect his barrage. If it does then a 5-spirit ranger might be worth taking versus him even if it costs earlier on versus Belka. Similarly mesmer does enough DPS versus Lupi and Alphard that it’s probably worth taking even with a DPS penalty versus Abom.
Ideally though we’d make the engi the only thing that changes in the comp so I’d be interested in hearing hendo’s take on it. You’d probably be swapping the engie for a thief or second ele in a no-engi comp I think.
Nova [rT]
No problem mate, I’ll forgive you.
Thanks, I can die peacefully now.
Nova [rT]
Actually I didnt expect that people complain about to move one step backwards, so I didnt really cared about, whether I crossed your holy circle or not. But how I said. Next time I just jump down if you are to dainty.
But this is offtopic.
So far I hope your holy personage will not meet any pretentious players like me again.
Sorry that I offended your delicate little mind with a few words of discontent, I shan’t be doing that again, we have to look out for the weak-hearted in our society. Can’t have another crying sessions on my hands.
Also if you hadn’t pulled kitten on me I could have taken over wraith aggro from you after you had lost them and we wouldn’t have to let those other 2 warriors die and then reaggro everything while the ritual had reset already. But then you wouldn’t be able to scoff about how my guild indicates my personality.
Nova [rT]
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What about arah path 2? Restricted, no execengisploits allowed.
There’s no time for comparison on GWSC for that path. What time would Guang have to beat?
About 10 minutes and few seconds.
Hey, you want me to theorycraft you a build, I’m right here. I’m ready whenever you are.
Any luck in theorycrafting up a warrior build that maintains 22-25 stacks of might for the group?
Beast. <3
Gotta factor in the ferocity patch though, if not using FGS it will make more of a difference.
Nova [rT]
I know one thing. If dungeons were soloable, I would do them all every day.
They are :/
Through glitches maybe, but I mean legit. Also the fights would take so long if you do it alone, it wouldn’t be profitable.
Many dungeons have certain mechanics that require more than one player (like the lift and pull oozes part in AC)
They are soloable legit lol
Some may only be doable by certain classes, but still doable legit. And for dungeons with player number requirements, yeah they are a no-go unfortunately. Although AC p2 is soloable, I can look up a video if you want.
Nova [rT]
I know one thing. If dungeons were soloable, I would do them all every day.
Not sure if joke or srs…
Nova [rT]
@Nova,
after flaming me yesterday , maybe you are able to answer me here :>
How can i get in arah p3 the aggro of the ghosts, allthough groupmates allready attacked them? I didnt get it yesterday what was wrong with resetting, instead of wasting an other hour with trying.No really, Iam so curious.Please tell me. I think as a professional PvE-Player you have a lot of advices , how Iam able to pull the ghosts,allthough 2 Players attacked them first.
On the other hand, you proofed well that you are an other nice friendly member :S
I wasn’t “flaming” you because you couldn’t aggro the wraiths, I was “flaming” you because you pulled them on me and my friend who were just standing in a circle without aggro instead of just losing aggro by going off the platform without pulling kitten on us… that was kind of unnecessary.
To bad, that I had to cross your circle by leaving the platform. Next time I jump down.
But thank you anyway for your kind words.
Cya.
Idk if you are blind but you don’t have to run through the circle to get off the platform. You can’t even, right behind the circle is the edge of the platform with the long fall.
Nova [rT]
@Nova,
after flaming me yesterday , maybe you are able to answer me here :>
How can i get in arah p3 the aggro of the ghosts, allthough groupmates allready attacked them? I didnt get it yesterday what was wrong with resetting, instead of wasting an other hour with trying.No really, Iam so curious.Please tell me. I think as a professional PvE-Player you have a lot of advices , how Iam able to pull the ghosts,allthough 2 Players attacked them first.
On the other hand, you proofed well that you are an other nice friendly member :S
I wasn’t “flaming” you because you couldn’t aggro the wraiths, I was “flaming” you because you pulled them on me and my friend who were just standing in a circle without aggro instead of just losing aggro by going off the platform without pulling kitten on us… that was kind of unnecessary.
If other people have aggro, they should stop attackind, and you should keep attacking, that will usually transfer aggro to you. But aggro isn’t a 100% thing in this game, so it’s always fiddly.
Also my sarcasm meter thanks you for that post, it’s delicious!
Nova [rT]
Its a different one. :P
Anyway what about GS camping?
There are more? Dear god…
Nova [rT]
I am a Staff/GS guardian and i don’t use Zerker gear, PvT/Cleric, I love the staff for Empower heals and might stacks, now there are some dungeons in which i go Hammer/Mace and Shield..
We already know you suck, you don’t have to come and confirm it again.
Nova [rT]