Guild Wars 2

Yep. So they skipped p4 to lupi, wiped twice on aboms, paid me to solo lupi and then probably sold the path after.

I think this pic speaks for itself.

Some more quality pugs.

Urque.6837:

And guess what, I don’t need to dodge. My build makes it so that I can constantly be in the boss’ face and wail on them with my hammer. Sure, call me unskilled. But i am playing a ROLE PLAYING GAME, and my character is assuming the ROLE of tank. That is why my gear is VIABLE. Zerker snobs are so annoying, and that’s why it got nerfed.

l0l

w/e dude, just dont join my group

kthxbye

I think what OP is saying is that the guy who was selling the dungeon hadn’t actually completed it and therefore couldn’t offer the dungeon reward to any buyers, not that the seller had exploited but was still able to sell.

Those kind of people are just the biggest kittens tbh, taking advantage of people who don’t know that much about the game. Whenever I’ve seen someone do this I always join their party and invite a friend if possible to kick them out. Unfortunately sometimes the party is already 4/5 and I can’t do anything other than warn the people in there (who probably have already paid).

Yeah sword chain 3 sends out 3 projectiles, which can be blocked or reflected back at you (e.g. the bubbles in TA fw will block it and the wraith in Arah p4 will reflect it).

Azrael.4960:

There’s a weapon you can buy in Metrica province where you summon a one use golem that flies along the ground and explodes on the target. I want to see how many of those it takes to do a dungeon

They actually do quite a lot of damage, it will just take ages because they are on a 20s cd.

l2bait his attack with invuln and fgs his kitten

Mattmatt.4962:

Sorry Willtehelfman, but your build is total garbage.

To OP:
SD isnt really the best weapon set up for WVW (i tend to say its the worst one).
Aniway, for PVE, you could find yourself with this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFAQJArInMIanD4yA8RgAHAjUNY0HQcEIA0BLeFWCA-TRROwAjU+FW9HA7PQUPgMlgBAOAM/8zP/8z3wDP8wDPcpAiYLA-e
Or any fresh air set up.
Depending of your skill level, you adapt the quantity of soldier and berzerker stuff.

That build is really bad… the only time you wanna take points in Arcana is if you need either vigor on crit or blasting staff, but you would never take 4 points in there. Also, soldier gear? If you want a more defensive option you could go knights but soldier is just giving up way too much precision and crit dmg.

Staff build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFAQFAWnMISLD2zAmNAfEIgAQIlMcgIDGNTYpMA-ThRBABXt/o8DPdAAcBAy7BAQp6PmpEMAwBADP8wDP8wlCIitAA-e

Scepter/dagger/focus build:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFAQJArYnMISLDWABmNAfEIYAQIusZ4BBKMqmoTA-ThRBABXt/o8DP9AAcCAy7BAQp6PmpEMAwBADP8wDP8wlCIitAA-e

I’d go with something like this: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFQQJAoYn0HSRD23AeuBBiKYCQoVLyEpJCUc5QA-TBiAABE4ADma/BuU+pmSQAeAAqqnAT1fG5EAEA4AY4ACPcQKg8kGB-e

Miku Lawrence.6329:

A whole new level of seller-griefing!

I don’t get it

Stooperdale.3560:

Warrior should be fine for skips. I typically have
- run speed increase when holding melee weapons

If you take signet mastery you can have perma swiftness, 33%>25%

The ultimate skipping setup for warrior is:

Sword/Warhorn, Greatsword

Healing Signet/Bulls Charge/Endure Pain/optional (mostly Shake it Off or Balanced Stance if you really need stability)/Signet of Rage

Keep swiftness up at all times with warhorn 4/elite, but don’t forget you can use warhorn 4 to cleanse immobilize, cripple and chill. Stay out of combat at all times! Use your dodges to prevent getting hit and getting into combat. Use your movement skills (sword 2, gs 3 and 5, bulls charge) when off cd but if you think you are going to need them to avoid damage, do so (e.g. by rushing past a group of mobs you are gone before they are able to hit you with their attacks). You really don’t need to retrait for skips but it’s always a possibility.

Your specific cases:

p3: Just keep moving, spiders cant hit you if you are ooc and have swiftness. Only the champ spider can so make sure to dodge his 5 AoE’s (you can survive 1, maybe 2). After that there are just a few elite risen which you can easily run past, maybe save warhorn 4 for the illusionist/elementalist that might cripple you. The giants shouldn’t be a problem since you can get past without aggroing them.

p2: The spiders here have ridiculous range. Just remember that. As soon as you see one attack in your general direction, dodge. Use warhorn 4/shake it off/defiant stance here to counter cripple. There is a little slope at the left wall near the exit where you can jump up and you can skip the last bit of the tunnel, you also won’t have to run past the turret which will instakill you if there are spiders on it.

p1: The most dangerous thing here is cripple. Just rush past the first bunch of elite risen and maybe pop endure pain for the illusionist’s chaos storm. Then keep running, dont stop, if you get crippled use warhorn 4. The little oozes are dangerous because they hit frigging hard but you can get past them with any of your movement skills without getting hit pretty much. Also be careful of the drakes, their poison won’t hurt you much but it will keep you in combat for a looong time. Try to dodge away when you see them spraying.

Just joined an EXP only Arah p3. This happened while I was soloing lupi after they all died (forgive my spelling mistakes, had to dodge during typing ^.^).

Needless to say I kicked him immediately (glad I quickly opened it before he could).

You were dodging and reviving, those are buttons

CalamityO.2890:

dutchiez.7502:

I don’t think you understand me. I meant that, because you say we shouldn’t complain when someone doesn’t follow our LFG requirements, you shouldn’t either when someone joins your group and goes directly against your LFG requirements.

And by the by, I don’t think I need to learn anything about tolerance, patience and acceptance and I’m pretty sure I won’t either when joining one of your groups.

If you’re going to para-phrase, then phrase with context and understanding as I’ve stated this “There is something called constructive criticism. Give them that at the very least, so that they can get better”. Meaning in future should they turn up, they will be in a better position to meet your requirements.

Won’t lose any sleep that you didn’t join my group. If fact wouldn’t learn anything with you in my group. No matter how experienced you are.

That’s a nice concept but it doesn’t work in reality. When someone joins my group who doesn’t meet my requirements and I ask them why they joined I am either met with “i no english”, complete silence or something along the lines of “what does p1 mean?”. Now in the last case I could explain them what it means and that they might want to join more noob-friendly groups first, but in the first two cases there is nothing I can say or do to help these people, so all that is left is for me to kick them.

CalamityO.2890:

xallever.1874:

The problem isn’t the willingness to teach (not that I don’t think there’s something wrong with not wanting to teach; when is there ever the obligation to teach and educate someone unless it’s your job or like they’re your own children?) but newbies joining dungeons that require EXP runs only.

On top of that, what’s worse is that there’s now an avenue for people who are new to dungeons to seek appropriate mentors to learn about the dungeon.

You do realize that, these two statements are conflicting with each other?. How can you not have a problem with teaching and then go on to say it’s bad that there is a problem with a resource for where teaching is available?.

Again you are misunderstanding. He is saying that nobody has an obligation to teach anyone, and not everyone wants to run/teach newbies so they ask for EXP only but still getting newbies in their team, which is a problem. This is even worse because there is so much opportunity for newbies to learn or be taught by someone just by looking up a bit of info online.

Glowdeggel.2613:

Is there already a possibility to check which paths i have already completed? One year ago ANET has posted that they are working on this.

There is not, my dear necromancer.

CalamityO.2890:

dutchiez.7502:

Then don’t complain when I join your no zerk, all levels, everyone welcome group and start kittening about the fact that no one is using zerker and we aren’t going through the dungeon fast enough.

You’re more than welcome to join. Have yet to meet any one on my “no zerk, all level, everyone welcome” group, that starts complaining about having no zerkers. In fact you’ll learn a thing or two about tolerance, patience and acceptance when you are in my group.

I don’t think you understand me. I meant that, because you say we shouldn’t complain when someone doesn’t follow our LFG requirements, you shouldn’t either when someone joins your group and goes directly against your LFG requirements.

And by the by, I don’t think I need to learn anything about tolerance, patience and acceptance and I’m pretty sure I won’t either when joining one of your groups.

Why is this in the dungeon sub?

CalamityO.2890:

so don’t complain if they aren’t exactly meeting your requirements.

Then don’t complain when I join your no zerk, all levels, everyone welcome group and start kittening about the fact that no one is using zerker and we aren’t going through the dungeon fast enough.

Yaki.9563:

the lack of risk is you exploiting and stacking so that you never have to get hit by boss special moves.

toppest kek

Hmmm, yes, I know some of these words.

My problem with Necro’s is that the more experienced players will know that Necro’s don’t really bring anything to the table in dungeons that another class can’t do better. This goes for vuln stacking, group buffs and DPS. So whenever I see someone using a Necro, I pretty much assume they are not an experienced player (ofcourse not always true). That’s why I ask for them to ping gear and if they don’t have zerk, kick them.

Ropechef.6192:

…. SE path one…

"" can you open?? ""
uhh, sure.. (( red flag already ))
going going along. red flag pops when I kill off one of the barrier turrents by myself faster then the 4 of them could get the other side. (( red flag 2 ))
3 gaurds including me, staff wielder. (red flag 3,) sword and… shield… (red flag 4)
kill off nox. triple golom suprisingly not a problem. thank god at least (I) know what a wall of reflection is. (red flag 5)

"" ((pings “the hunter” )) whats this? ""

…..

Solo Tazza, Tell them thanks for hanging out, collect my gold piece. and go cry on here in the dungeons forum.

a pre?…. really….. from the bloody STAFF GUARD!!!!!!

Shouldve just told him it’s nothing special but you are looking for exotics to forge so you would buy it from him for 5g.

VideoGamermike.5813:

and dutch…thats what a forum is partly for, argument. I do think this ideology of one variable defining everything is stupid, and it being followed like a religion is nuts(there are people here and in game who treat the stacking/zerk like a religion.) What better place is there to discuss that than a forum?where you expecting me to just keep quiet unless the prominent culture liked it? “Just what the hell did you think you were reading from my work?”

A forum is for discussing/arguing yes. But you are doing neither of those. You are just stating your opinion over and over again, whining that nobody is listening to what you REALLY mean when they give well-constructed arguments as to why your opinion doesn’t make sense.

VideoGamermike.5813:

However, I think A is a load of garbage. The fact is….we want effort, we -want- to be challenged, we -want- to actually fight. A fight that ends in 10 seconds(in a game anyway) is hardly exciting or filled with tension, it has all the tension of a simulated battle in a PC risk game. That, is boring. And you know what, It’s ok to disagree, I have nothing wrong with people who want to run as fast as they can. I have issues with going to a public section and pushing this to such an extreme that it becomes expectations. Even when I make my own parties, or join a ‘having fun’ party, I have to fight someone to not skip, stack in a corner, or ramble about DPS. -THAT- is my issue, that is why I am getting fed up with this.

Then make your own party, stating no zerk/stacking/skipping. And even if people still do that, kick them. We have the exact same problem, we make a LFG looking for full zerkers and we get a party full of cleric staff guardian bearbow shoutheal rifle warriors and p/p condi thieves. But we don’t go to the ‘casual’ forum and whine about how they should all go play zerk, we just kick them and repost the LFG.

VideoGamermike.5813:

A poster here gave me an article, that while biased and filled with a fallacy or two, did make one thing positive, it shows that developing new ideas, no matter what they may be, is the point of this level of gaming. Just as there isn’t a build or strategy that is ‘cheap’(we’re talking generally here), there is no such thing as one that is ‘better’. A build that focuses on precision, toughness, and condition damage, is not any less quality because of a single variable.

If you think that build is not any less quality than a full zerk build, I would like to know what you judge quality on.

VideoGamermike.5813:

Yes, I am well aware berserker can work, just as stacking can work, that doesn’t mean it’s not without flaws or any better because of it’s inherent existence, or a single variable. I find stacking not to be stupid, not useless. I am aware I can dodge and see my opponents attacks while in a corner, but the timing is either far more difficult, or impossible(condition fields), making the enemy much harder to dodge and prevent(especially given it’s harder to see as well). I don’t find it to be very wise or intelligent a strategy, and there are ways in which it has hurt the community by pushing DPS to such extremes it’s begun to be expected.

It all comes down to experience, most people are experienced because there is so little dungeon content that they have done it all over and over again. So most of the people are perfectly fine with stacking and full zerk.

VideoGamermike.5813:

What I hope to god someone understand, is to stop judging quality on a single variable, and stop insulting posters because they call someone out on it. Just becaue you say think it’s better does not mean it is, and DPs in terms of time, ONE variable, is not a judge of quality. There is not Superior or inferior in this kind of environment(in general, there are specifics I can’t really argue nor care to), but entire weapon trees, gear/stat builds, and ideologies, don’t deserve the kind of very malicious attacks I got here.

Again, tell me what you judge quality on. And as I said before, these are bold statements to make when you are someone who is not experienced at all in dungeons. You should stop talking like you are some know-it-all dungeon god because you are not and everyone reading this can clearly see that.

VideoGamermike.5813:

I know at first I a fool, but I took my time and think about everything and posted with no shame in the last 2 days, I don’t deserve being called a mental case because I called people out on a superiority complex.

I don’t give a kitten.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Ropechef.6192:

I dont lknow if i will get this quote right but i hope i at least have the gist…

Quoting Sanderinoa. ( quite possibly the best if not one of the best mesmers in game)

""Speed running has never really been about getting it done as fast as possible. It has been about getting it done as WELL as possible. speed is just a byproduct"".

I would disagree. That’s what speed farming is. The entire concept of a speed run is to go from point x (start) to point y (end) in the least amount of time possible.

Keep in mind, that casual runs (any run that isnt a record run) isn’t really a speed run. You’re trading speed for consistency, because there’s no point using tactics that can potentially result in you losing more time than you save, or in a worst case scenario making you have to restart (assuming that its high difficulty/low success, obviously).

I think this is more a case of semantics, since many pugs like to advertise their LFG with ‘Speedrun’ when it obviously isn’t. IMO a speedrun (or speedclear, for you gw1 guys) is a run that you post to gwscr, and everything else is a casual run.

VideoGamermike.5813:

If it makes you feel any better since yesterday I have forced myself to use “Zerker” to describe power gaming obsessed players who put DPS above all and forget timing or defense, and “berserker” for the actual gear and stat builds.

Alright, then I will use “Non-Zerker” to describe close-minded individuals who want others to hold to the same rules they do just because they do not like those other people to set up restrictions for who and who cannot play with them, and “non-berserker” for actual non-berserker stat gear.

VideoGamermike.5813:

Yes, if a party asks for pure berserkers, they have the right to ban for it. but that in itself is foolish, sure a few people might have legit reasons, but when everyone their brother is demanding nothing but lvl 80 berserkers, you have a problem. The point of this thread as I saw it was not to bash berserker building, but to bash those who do it purely because they want speed and DPS, and get angry when people don’t follow their personal expectations and likes.

You realize that you are doing the exact same thing, coming over to a forum filled with meta-dungeon runners who are constantly looking for ways to increase their efficiency and speed and then getting angry because we do not think the same way as you do and do not follow your personal expectations and likes?

I don’t know why you think it’s a good idea to come here and cry and whine and kitten and moan all over the forums about your personal ideas on how PvE should be played and how others should behave in this game and then accuse people who ask for berserkers in their LFG message of being foolish. It’s just perfect irony which shows your true colours as… something I don’t even have words for.

Lalocat.6793:

Fror.2163:

/ignore VideoGamermike.5813
So, based on your advices, I used the beloved /kick command.

I created that LFG, said zerker meta builds only for a full run of AC. I didn’t care for the profession, just meta-build.

Do you know what I got? Dozens of guardians with staff. First pug to join, a necro zerker, a real one! God bless him! And then the journey into oblivion started. Kick over kick. The staff guardians aligned to join, I kept asking to ping their main weapon, all of them were staves. So that was a real kickfest

Awesome, please keep using “meta” in your group description so I know not to join. Not being snarky, that is one of the key words I look for to know not to join. Other words that keep me out are gear ping and speed run. I want fast, but I just don’t take it all so seriously.

I wish more people would read the LFG and not join if they do not agree!

Try AC p3 on ele, it’s fairly simple. The burrow event might require some practice. AC p1 is also fairly simple but the burrows there can be more frustrating.

The word dungeon was in the OP so it was moved to the trashcan.

Phadde.7362:

CptAurellian.9537:

And that requires the devs and almost all of the stacking/skipping/whatever whiners to actually understand the game, which appears to be a very difficult task.

With stacking, it is. Without the possibility to stack, people usually learn rather fast =)

The newbies I ran AC with last night actually learned to dodge Kholer flawlessly after the first wipe.

He is saying that people who complain that stacking removes game mechanics should learn how the game/stacking works, not people who don’t know boss tells or are new to the game in general.

Kootje.9271:

I don’t get this topic, I always ask for a staff guardian voor TA…

(Btw howler is nice on ranger too)

Yes, staff guardians in TA are good (if there are blossoms to kill).

Everywhere else they suck.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/24x9v7/gw2_terms_acronyms_and_abbreviations/chbpk4d

Cormac.3871:

Dalanor.5387:

Read it.
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

Really, the bulk of this article does not apply to dungeons. Bosses do not alter their tactics the way human opponents do.

I think that the point that a bad player will remain bad as long as he chooses to live in his mental construct of the game and thereby abiding to his own arbitrary rules instead of taking everything the game offers him and making it work in his advantage, comes across.

xallever.1874:

Azreell.1568:

I never once said I hate zerker – just to clarify.

Famous last post.

Famous last post indeed.

In the fractal CDI thread, Chris said he told the designer team about the idea of adding dragonite to fractals as a reward and he said they liked the idea. So it should be in the patch notes but not yet ingame in about a year.

Phadde.7362:

dutchiez.7502:

Phadde.7362:

I saw someone suggest a great idea in another thread to increase dungeon difficulty:

3-man or 4-man the dungeon! I think it’s a splendid idea! Easier to find a full group, with good members. Your impact becomes greater, etc.

You’re like a year late with this suggestion.

I haven’t seen this specific one until recently. None the less, adding these “modifiers” to increase difficulty and rewards is what I currently think is the best thing for PvE atm. It will do a lot, and probably the vast majority of the assets required are already in game (our current dungeons)

Every dungeon path in the game has been soloed or two-manned (except for the ones where it isn’t possible, and some story modes maybe).

Phadde.7362:

I saw someone suggest a great idea in another thread to increase dungeon difficulty:

3-man or 4-man the dungeon! I think it’s a splendid idea! Easier to find a full group, with good members. Your impact becomes greater, etc.

You’re like a year late with this suggestion.

VideoGamermike.5813:

I think thats the point of the joke.
people SHOULD be doubted. Many people misunderstand this concept. Doubting people is just a part of getting to know them. What many people call ‘trust’ is really just giving up on trying to understand others, and that very act is far worse than doubting. It is actually ‘apathy.’
Shinichi Akiyama (Liar Game)

complaining is a natural thing, people will always doubt and think badly of some mechanic, its not an act of malice to call something out as foolish, at least not inherently.

u wat bro

i tink gaim is 2 hurd

SkylightMoon.1980:

meta nerds.

http://i.imgur.com/co9Hd.gif

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Here’s the problem, Mike:

You are a new “dungeoneer”. You have attempted one dungeon. It was Ascalonian Catacombs, a dungeon I personally hate, but that most people fly through with ease. However, new players do not, because dungeons are the “hardcore” PvE that this game offers (along with things like Teq and Wurm). It takes practice.

You are posting on here, acting like an expert on the dungeon PvE in GW2 when you honestly haven’t even experienced any significant part of it. My first dungeon was a Caudecus Manor story solo. I did not succeed.

What you’re doing here, is you’re making yourself look really bad by acting like you know everything there is to know about dungeons. It’s like trying to tell a seasoned painter they’re doing it wrong (or even that art is a a lame garbage waste of time) after taking Art 101: Introduction to Drawing. The dungeon runners here aren’t simply dungeon speed runners, they are mentors, they are theory crafters, they know this game’s PvE in and out. And You’re trying to give advice as though you (or these elusive guildies) know everything there is to know, when there is no credibility in your claim.

I know what it is like. When I first ventured here, I argued with the best Arah runners about Arah p4. I acted like I knew it all, from my 2 failed runs and 1 success. It was a really hard lesson. The point is, you should be learning these dungeons, not acting like there’s nothing left to learn and that the systems are inherently broken, just because you are parroting what you are hearing from folks because it makes you feel better about the failed AC run.

I get it. Please. This is a place for learning and community. We have all taken efforts to make this place a good start for newbies (check the stickies!). We cannot, however, make it a well of information for those unwilling to learn, though.

Thank you, Lilith. Great post.

All thief soloers are exploiters. There is no way to permastealth hodgins long enough to kill all burrows. Ele is afaik the only one who has soloed AC p1.

Here is a video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8loznS38Xg8

VideoGamermike.5813:

I have nothing against Beserker gear, I have issues with the groups that try to say anything not beserker is somehow worse(I do not count speedruns, those are special types of ‘runs’, not general dungeon crawling) than any of the other ideas. It’s the “Beserkers are better, go play them because your entire weapon line is worthless” mentality that a small group has that I don’t like.
You wanna play a beserker, go for it, I’ll enjoy watching you get ripped apart as a squishy target by WvW videos, and doing it myself once I have time to join in.

Who are you even arguing with anymore? You say you have an issue with people stating the fact that berserker is best in PvE, which is just stupid. Facts are facts. Are you really that close minded that you cannot see why something like a greatsword for mesmer is bad in PvE? It is like you don’t want to accept the game for how it is, but must turn it into something it’s not. Also this is the dungeon forum, not the WvW forum. I don’t think that is really a relevant comment to make.

And I know I shouldn’t say this, but please learn how to spell Berserker.

The things listed under the ‘exploit’ tab aren’t really exploits, they are strategies that are kinda cheesy to use and make it too easy but they are not bannable offenses.

VideoGamermike.5813:

However my bigger problem is with the hoard of bugs defending those machines the NPC sets up. How could we have handled that? and don’t tell me to pick up beserker builds or some garbage like that. It makes me feel a lot better about the designer to see those tells though, which is a good thing.

“Please give me advice, but don’t suggest the solution that is all-around accepted as best in PvE by players with much more experience than me because I don’t like it.”

Yeah man, I’m not even going to try to help you anymore. Good luck and have fun wiping.

VideoGamermike.5813:

1) I did make my own group.
2) I was the greatsword mesmer, and I don’t appreciate being attacked for a choice of play style.
3) My ranger is a shortbowman, I find him boring, but that doesn’t give you the right to call a teamate terrible on fighting style alone.
4) and guardian is a support class, not a killing class, i sadly do not remember his build., or I didn’t pay attention.
5) I did ask for advice, either no one talked or expected me to follow the way every other berserk build does even though I had a duelist style(precision and toughtness)
6) You are calling my group bad because they didn’t have a specific weapon/stat combo that isn’t beserker. I don’t want stereotype builds telling me what to do, I want something to aid in problem solving. The link is very much appreciated, though you should be aware it’s giving out exploits.

This seems much more fair and makes me feel less cheated on the queen and lieutenant, even if he is still pretty ridiculous due to timing(again, very first dungeon)

1) Alright.
2) Greatsword is a bad weapon choice in PvE. You may enjoy it, but this forum is full of the most experienced dungeon players in the game. If you say you are having trouble, we will point out flaws in your strategy. Don’t hate us for telling you what is best/easiest to use when you are having trouble.
3) Also a bad weapon choice for PvE.
4) Guardian is not a support only class. Every class can fill every role more or less.
5) You asked for advice within the group? We already established your group was bad.
6) No one mentioned berserker gear before this post. If your entire team was not wearing zerker and you were still getting one shot by Kholer, yes they are bad.
Wait… what link is giving out exploits? gw2dungeons? I don’t think so.