Guild Wars 2

I loaded it up just yesterday to finish titles. I keep finding myself trying to dodge or questioning why im running so slow. I really missed the ability to mix different classes.

I don’t really mind that it’s not as populated I disliked a good portion of the population for being so helpless. The lack of challenges made it worst to the point where I ended up playing with others emotions – If you were illusioned of life during a world boss, portaled up to jormag to die behind the ice wall, portaled to center of lava there was a strong chance that it was my doing. I also enjoy get the hot snipers attention and then quickly taking cover behind some unsuspected player only for them to get instagibed.

Chrono is indeed the best thing that ever happened to mesmer, it should of been there from game launch. The mesmer class is meant to fulfill a control/denial role which in the beginning it was not doing.

aeolus nailed it – skills/traits go from 0-100 or 100 -0. They are more likely to change the skill description to “working as intended” than to tweak overnerfed skills.

Regardless of the outcome, I will continue to play mesmer. I did thoroughly enjoy this period of time though making other classes squeal and reroll, I especially enjoyed the numerous posts of how ele/guard/wars are the “victims and have always been treated unfairly” lol.

Morfedel.4165:

What kind of black sorcery magic is this?

echo.2053:

You truly believed that I couldn’t speak for you HAHA foolish mortal. Now tremble before my power

Morfedel.4165:

I listen and obey.
I can knit the kitten out of some sweaters using only stolen eyebrow

I wonder which level will come around.

quote=5918947;reapex.8546:]

Jormag isn’t bugged, several players felt uncomfortable seeing its wings broken off. I’m pretty sure its a desired change after 3+ years.[/quote]

wait what?!?!?!? Is that really true? I know people peta when it comes to killing game animals which is fine…. but mythical creatures. I need a controller so that I can drop it – Im done.

Morfedel.4165:

Without geometry, life is just pointless

nahhh man I’m super cereal, I got so much lucky charms.

If you take something posted by a random user serious off the internet – you are going to have a bad day. Lets skip the foreplay and go straight to stating what you liked in this expac while stating that you didn’t like what I enjoyed in hotn and then vice versa only to continue prove how useless it was to compare a currently supported expac against a nearly decade old no longer supported expac. Hence why I was ignoring the topic initially for a AH discussion until that one guy, who still hasn’t pm’d me – i cry, wanted me to join on the topic.

Cynz.9437:

Ah what did mesmers players told thieves? Karma!

On more serious note: mes was really strong after june patch (and elites weren’t even out yet) but somehow we all forgot it?

Players compained about mesmer stealth, now that we are visable still complain. XD XD XD

Teefs have always been a hard counter guessing game to mesmer until the shatter blind. No ragrats for making teefs squeal and abandon ship in this short period of time. werf

lol guards/wars/teefs playing the victim card after not being favored for one meta XD now just develop obnoxious skill bugs that won’t be fixed for a year and you’ll be on the same level as mesmer was woot woot

maddoctor.2738:

echo.2053:

Guess what would happen if heros were introduced to gw2….

That will never happen. An AI can never be effective playing an action-based game like GW2.

Only but wishful thinking i know :/……it couldn’t be worst some players though lol.

checkkkk this mofo sign ouuut soooonnnn

Lol well you guys were busy

Vayne.8563:

I can live with that.

The very moment you stated preferance for one game over the other is the moment you became bias – lol I’ve been having fun. Me being bias for prefering gw1 for dungeons is the same as you being bias for prefering gliding. XD

You’ve been suggesting that about dungeons this entire time! You’ve been acting as though the inclusion of some more dungeons would of resulted in reduced pve maps or something terrible. If their preseance does not decrease value of a game then it would not hurt to include them. It would also be more content for your money thus really can only increase value. Thats fine and dandy if you don’t like dungeons, no one is pointing a gun at your head forcing you to enter them, you could still pretend to be a mindless honeybee.

uhhh profit = fun mate.

Mist.6217:

No where did I say you hated grinding but saying EVERYTHING is grind is untrue. In your example player A likes it and works toward their goal of a legendary, player B doesn’t like it so they don’t since having one isn’t necessary (unless they feel like they must for the achievement). Working towards a goal is not grinding, doing the exact same thing over and over and over is. There is the difference. Now one could grind as a way to work on that goal if they wanted it done faster but one does NOT have to grind to complete their goals.

LMAO I never made that statement either. You are the one that made the statement “everything is a grind real life and game”.

I was actually going to use you as the player examples but I foresaw you going on tangents so I replaced us with generic players ( I got lazy and didn’t remove that hypotheical part lmao)…..you still went on a tangent even so far as to give a nonexistant player advice.

It’s a simple scenario of two players doing the exact same actions to get the exact same result however player A likes doing it while player B doesn’t. According to you as long as the player is enjoying doing said actions then it’s not a grind. SO really your saying that player A such an important person in the world that they can redefine a term however another player is considered grinding merely because he dislike perfoming those actions. If you would like to say thats not how it works you deny the fact that player A likes doing that action thus we are back at the start “Whether you like doing said actions or not has no bearing on whether or not if it’s a grind mate”

Mist.6217:

Working towards a goal is not grinding, doing the exact same thing over and over and over is.

I enjoy doing the same thing over and over again to obtain wealth as quickly as possible – now bow before my nongrinding self mere mortal.

maddoctor.2738:

space saver

You do realize that gw2 is a sequel to gw1 right? It didn’t come out of the blue with its own idea towards dungeons. Guess what would happen if heros were introduced to gw2….

That full game price for an unfinshed product yikes im glad i was in a unique issuse at that time. Lol “Near future” have fun with that wait…..

I bet you will be just thrilled to make a comparison against a decade+ unsupported finshed game – such challange :O

Heres a spoiler for you new fractal is unreleased abbadon fractal – your welcome

Morfedel.4165:

Not living u….

Sssshhh I do talk for you.

laokoko.7403:

?

No I never said that they spent less, I’m just merely curious where you got your info of them spending hundreds of millions only for people to complain that older game.

Throwing more money at a game doesn’t mean that its going to be better.

Leviathan.3690:

Ya but the new heroes in EOTN didn’t add anything that you didn’t get from nightfall which had more heroes to choose from. They were good but they are just customizable henchman and whether or not they were good doesn’t change that.

All the dungeons were pretty much the same lol, and most people only ran a couple of them anyways.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Assassin_Asuran_armor

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Elementalist_Asuran_armor

The pages for majority of the eye of the north armor even say they are reskisn of previous armor

ohhh good find mate – at least we can all agree on that shamefull reskinning history. If only I was still able to have signatures I’d post these links. EDIT hell yeah it got unlocked – this is fantastic

Sure a hero was a more advanced version of a henchman but they were still 100 times better than a rando. I still remember that horror mid tier fractals……deep scars

Vayne.8563:

Yes dungeons are basic features in MMOs and often exist at the expense of the open world, which is why so many games open worlds suck. You go through them once and then they die because there’s no real reason to go back to them. You get no experience, you get no drops. So you sit in the last three zones like a cabbage. This is the old guard. Yes, it’s what everyone is doing.

Some of us came here to get away from what everyone else was doing. That’s sort of the point. Every time Anet introduces anything in other MMOs, people go ballistic, or hadn’t you noticed.

Dungeons are not the be all end all of this game and I say that’s good. Because there are plenty of places you can go to play dungeons. But I’ve yet to play an MMO that has the open world experience of Guild Wars 2.

No gw2 biasim here LOL

So your saying that by adding additional dungeons along with its maps the value would have severely diminshed compared to what there is now? Its a good thing i’m the one with the misinformation.

We lost nothing in pve when fotm was added but we would of lost everything if a few dungeons were added to hot >_>

There isn’t anything wrong with current dungeons however yes their rewards are kitten. With hot release they got even worse-I do agree 100% with that. Overall its an issue with gw2 kittenty reward design – items aren’t restricted to specifc areas hence the mindless mass just groups up in one area – but thats a different rant for a different day.

Gw2 players go ballistic any time they faced with a challange thats anything but logging in. Did you not visit the forums during wintersday? They were throwing such a hissy fit over the 3 required jp runs that they resorted to trying to use other people disabilities as an excuse why they should do it, which was darkly humourous because you wouldn’t see those same players in the thread for a color-blind mode XD.

You may say gw2 is different but as time goes by its conforming into a basic mmo. war/guard – ele/druid – necro/mesmer that trinity in disguise. skills behind xp grinds.

maddoctor.2738:

We got Raids with HoT. And GW2 had a lot of dungeons pre-HoT, while GW1 didn’t have many dungeons pre-EotN. Get the difference?

Gw1 had elite areas 12 man urgoz/the deep, 8 man fow/uw/doa that required team coordination, messing up generally resulted in party wipe and having to start over from the beginning – essentially a “raid” under a different name. The difference really being gw2 is extremly forgiving to the casual so they are able to start again at the part where they wiped.

Mist.6217:

echo.2053:

Mist.6217:

grind

Whether you like doing said actions or not has no bearing on whether or not if it’s a grind mate.

If you believe that than everything, be it real life or video games, are grinding which is not the case. But from your other post there is no point explaining further. Have a good one.

again….who is saying I hated grinding?

We’ll break it down Barney style for you mate – first off this is a hypothetical situation aka it may or may not be true – lets say a player really dislikes the amount of work it takes to make a legendary whereas another player does not mind putting forth the effort. Are the players’ actions of making the legndary a grind or no?

Vayne.8563:

I think pretty much anyone reading your analysis can see the bias but you. Take the price. Comparing the price of an old game with the price of a game on release is disingenous at best. Downright misleading at most.

When EotN came out like eight years ago, it was $40. And that $40 today is actually more than $50. Ignoring this completely degrades the rest of your argument.

Eye of the North was not cheaper at launch than HoT.

If you want to go that way, the next time Anet releases an expansion, HoT will come free with it and it will be cheaper than EotN.

Disingenuous argument is disingenuous.

LOL still don’t want to comment how you got played by a blantly obvious 180 view switch? Thathathatha denial!!!!

ok gw2 bias man – so if its pointless to compare launch costs with a 8 year old game, is it not equally as pointless to compare features of a newer game to that of a game that was made 8 years ago?

Leviathan.3690:

Your comparison doesn’t really help your case since the only things EOTN added was skills and dungeons

Majority of the eye of the north armor was just reskinned from older sets with extremely minor changes like another spike here and there. So not really a whole lot of “additions”

Heroes were just customizable henchmen and didn’t really matter since you could just change their skills to suit whatever you needed. Jora was no different than Koss if they had the same build.

No game mechanic additions at all

New regions doesn’t really matter when the maps within them are all basically the same. Each one might as well be one large map and if it weren’t for the loading screens i wouldn’t even realize i’m in a different area, Depths of Tyria doesn’t even count as a region since its really only the name for where all the dungeons take place which is just underground and most of the dungeons looked the same.

Plus I don’t have to pay for the base game unlike Eye of the north so you actually have to pay more to play Eye of the North, about 100 dollars includign either Nightfall, Factions or Prophecies

Eotn was originally going to be a 4th standalone campaign that was scrapped due to time constraints and instead modified to lead into gw2.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_Utopia

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Emblazoned_armor_human_female_front.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Leystone_armor_(medium)_human_female_front.jpg
so unique :o

dungeons are basic features of mmorpg’s, have you seen many dunegonlesss mmorpgs?

heros were amazingggggg. When your guildies or friends weren’t on and you wanted to do dungeons you could just pick them up and flip the pugs off before leaving town. pugless runs were toooo good.

lol that last statement is ironic- unless unless you bought gw2 during a sale event or brand new base basic price was 59.99 for core and 49.99 for hot……

Extreme.8350:

Because they got killed by mesmer. Next day they lose to something else
and is back on the forum to get that nerfed too.
Notice how the most played classes are the least complained about.

nailed it!!! Now we’ll go to the next extreme builds

If its not war/guard/ele trio meta than its worst meta ever

Mist.6217:

grind

Whether you like doing said actions or not has no bearing on whether or not if it’s a grind mate.

laokoko.7403:

As technology evolved, it actually become more and more expensive to create games.

hundreds of millions- very few even breaking the 100 million mark. Most of those also include marketing and distribution costs. Technology is getting cheaper- what you buy now may not be close to what that thing in 5 years. ironic though the development cost vary wildy yet the release price is always $59.99

we care only about gw2 though- find that development info

echo.2053:

You dislike grinding but brag about gliding which requires 9 million xp pts ( didn’t include leyline becuase it most likely wont be in reg game)

echo.2053:

Oh you absolutely need leyline gliding to even begin thinking about gliding didn’t you read that in the earlier post?

LOL I 180’d my viewpoint and even dropped a hint to see if you’d notice and call me out on it – you didn’t. Read only what fits for you and deny everything else, forgot what that word is…

ProtoGunner.4953:

Echo, you complain about XP graind yet you totally ignored the kittening grind in EotN with the reputations to make your PvE only skills effective. Actually it even wasn’t account bound. So you had to grind those kittening reputations x5 with asura, norn etc. just to make the skills effective on every single character!

Interesting I don’t recall ever complaining about grinding here, would you point that out? This entire time I was pointing out the the other party’s hypocritical view. If you said that I dont enjoy doing repetitive zombie tasks for universal rewards – I actually would have claimed that regardless whether I did or didn’t say it.

Here is version just for you: For starters max xp for eotn reputations is 160k xp each so all 4 = 640k xp – would you like a hot comparison…. rank 1 of any hot mastery is 500k

“but but… you had to do it for each character” this is going to be a tough one… 640k x 5 characters = 3.2 million xp 100k under rank 5 of just one of the 4 main hot masteries.

You only needed to get rank 5 (26k each reputation) to get max effectiveness out of the pve skill related to that reputation- really? that’s an outrageous grind to you or did you just make a factual error? ooohhh

ProtoGunner.4953:

Also, you seem to ignore your factual errors about price tags

I claimed that error my following post after it.

oh boy error on pricing discredits my view? Your post is a crime aginst humanity than mate but by all means continue to be more hypocritical

I started playing gw1 in 2008 and didnt get other campaign +expakittenil 2009 but of course you knew this to not be a possibility. Players are ONLY able to play a game if they start day 1 of release right? If thats not right well then there is no possibility that the price will be lowered, players will always have to pay full price regards the amount of time the game has been out right? wait what im wrong again, then I guess I clearly stated that was the inital release price…..

etc. etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.

what other errors would you like to point out mate?

Vayne.8563:

echo.2053:

Vayne.8563:

Just the fact that you’re quoting the EotN price at $19.99 makes me question everything else you wrote. Because EotN was not $19.99 when it launched.

In fact, your entire comparison is biased based on say your love for dungeons. There was nothing in EoTN like the metas we have. There was no new character class. There were no real updates to how you played each of the professions you played. There was plenty of grind in the form of leveling up skills.

Yes, it did have dungeons. That’s what it had. And if dungeons weren’t your thing….those zones are not the kind of zones you could repeat long term. Most of them were quite simple. I’d rather have 1 hot zone than 10 of the EoTN zones.

It didn’t do anything for guild halls. It didn’t add anything like gliding which completely changes the game (and yes, gliding is now coming to core Tyria as well).

It feels like a biased comparison to me.

so you’re telling me you have 0 biasim for gw2….you just get hurt when someone tells it how it is.

You dislike grinding but brag about gliding which requires 9 million xp pts ( didn’t include leyline becuase it most likely wont be in reg game)

ohhh geez mate 1 whole new class, how can that compete with the 4 professions from the other two campaigns. The ability to mix skills from other classes easily prevented staleness… but gw2 single new class solved everything….

If mind numbingly folllowing the zerg around for hours each day spaming your 1 skill is considered as " fun" to well good on ya mate.

yes it didn’t do much for guilds because for starters they decided to switch gears to make gw2 as well as they had guilds halls from the start. They also had actual gvg. gw2 didn’t get but two guild halls until this expac also tell me about that gvg scene…..

oh boy error on pricing discredits my view? Your post is a crime aginst humanity than mate but by all means continue to be more hypocritical

maddoctor.2738:

snip

what? gw1 campagins were all standalone games. The heck are you on?

Try to remember uw/fow from proph ( although accessed by other campaigns), the deep/urgoz from factions or doa from nf? I’m constantly reminded of those when I do the crap they offer now. How the hell did it fall that far?

You don’t need leyline gliding to glide. I like gliding from even the beginning. But yes, I like the process of unlocking gliding and yes, I don’t grind to do it.

As for bias, I’m a huge Guild Wars 1 fan. So I have no reason to malign the game. But facts need to be reported correctly and other facts need not to be ignored.

It’s a fact that EotN wasn’t $19.99 at launch.

Oh you absolutely need leyline gliding to even begin thinking about gliding didn’t you read that in the earlier post? Mate spending hours doing the same repetitive things for minimal xp is still grinding, it doesn’t matter whether you like doing it or not.

That’s some serious denial mate. Why did your bum get so hurt when I simply pointed out how the hot expac isn’t living up to expectations?

laokoko.7403:

echo.2053:

eotn
18 dungeons – yes you can say it was hard finding groups because of the heros….. but we’ll be real for a second if heros were in gw2 you wouldn’t be picked up here either. pug groups = gw2 hell

15 map areas
unqiue armors
weapons
$19.99

hot
0 dungeons
3 new weapon skins
a new armor….thats the same raincoat as the other raincoats with added blue stuff
4 maps
$49.99
as well as you get skills that completely break all other parts of the game.

does that satisfy your needs? By all means do pm me, why else would I ask to hear your point. Don’t side step when you get called out mate.

So do you think Anet is purposely try to screw you?

Anet spent tones more money on GW2, more staff, and you complain it is not as good as GW1.

If you retract history, people were making mmorpg with 3 million budget. Now studios are spending hundreds of millions yet people complain they are not as good as older mmorpg.

Anet is company and as a company they are suppose to squeeze as much money out of customers for least about of effort. If they could sell each player a paper clip for $20 with out the risk of a negative view – they would in a heart beat not even thinking twice. thats just business works.

I not really sure where your getting this “accurate” information from ( love to see that ) but if this is what they produced after throwing “tones of money” …yikes. Throwing money at a game doesn’t make it the best thing ever just like graphics do not make a game ( which seems to be the common idea these days).

seems like it should be quality of released content over quantity of gem store releases – clearly you guys are in such enjoyment that your wasting your time playing the game rather than trying argue over someone elses view.

Ironwill.5389:

echo.2053:

I was indeed trying to lag my connection by streaming 8 videos while playing the game. It was not normal for music to start 31 seconds after hitting play whcich at that point you’ll also note that the level stopped and then suddenly loaded at once. When On the big peppermint one player was running to the right and then snapped back to the center. Classic symptom of lag is when you see everyone else running in a line.

I tried to remain with the group but even I was in disblief how all of them were killed at the same exact point. Almost died running off that end thinking that didn’t just happen.

Internet connection has absoluetly zero impact on Fps. If your having fps drops your playing at a graphic level higher than your cpu/gpu handle. Just because there is a highest setting availabledoesn’t mean that’s what you should click.

My normal ping without music is 70, with music is 80-90.

Just for fun I loaded into the puzzle with maxed out graphic settings (i.e. the appearance setting vs. performance in the graphics options.) I could barely mouse turn fast enough to get past the first set of snowflakes.. the mouse response was so slow I couldn’t run the puzzle…
I wonder how many people are having problems simply because of graphics performance.
Interestingly enough when I changed my graphics settings to best performance, it actually reduced some of the options lower than I had previously run it (the snowflakes lost their colouring and became a dull matte).

Anyone that’s having problems should probably change their graphics to performance while inside the puzzle because it’s not the same as when in town.

lag can totally affect your graphics display, I’ve seen it happen in bell choir where all the notes get drawn at once or notes are drawn out of sequence…Not sure if streaming multiple videos at once can cause upload packet problems which the server would use to verify your position and keypresses about the only way to test that would be to route traffic through a second server PC and lag it out (still might not drop packets)

the worst case of lag on the jumping puzzle I found was when I got out of sync and was waiting for the next snowflake to show up and the server decided that I was much further behind on a snowflake that had popped (I can only assume that a few position update packets got dropped and never made it to the server)… so while waiting for the next snowflake I simply fish flopped on my current snow flake (the knockdown when the presents pop) until the snowflakes caught up and broke underneath me…

Again thats not the internet connection dropping your frame rate, thats YOUR computer cpu/gpu. Here try this take a heavy single player game, like crysis 3, put the graphics on max settings – then explain why your computer is locked up using your explaination. I’m actually even game if you are able to give a crediable article stating how your internet connection affects your fps.

I have a guildie who can only play with every setting turned on lowest setting because of his cpu bottleneck, but still is able to do the wintersday jp. The auto “best setting” is not actually the best setting mate. You need to start with settings on very low and slowly turn them up until you get to a point where it works out/ is bearable.

Vayne.8563:

Just the fact that you’re quoting the EotN price at $19.99 makes me question everything else you wrote. Because EotN was not $19.99 when it launched.

In fact, your entire comparison is biased based on say your love for dungeons. There was nothing in EoTN like the metas we have. There was no new character class. There were no real updates to how you played each of the professions you played. There was plenty of grind in the form of leveling up skills.

Yes, it did have dungeons. That’s what it had. And if dungeons weren’t your thing….those zones are not the kind of zones you could repeat long term. Most of them were quite simple. I’d rather have 1 hot zone than 10 of the EoTN zones.

It didn’t do anything for guild halls. It didn’t add anything like gliding which completely changes the game (and yes, gliding is now coming to core Tyria as well).

It feels like a biased comparison to me.

so you’re telling me you have 0 biasim for gw2….you just get hurt when someone tells it how it is.

You dislike grinding but brag about gliding which requires 9 million xp pts ( didn’t include leyline becuase it most likely wont be in reg game)

ohhh geez mate 1 whole new class, how can that compete with the 4 professions from the other two campaigns. The ability to mix skills from other classes easily prevented staleness… but gw2 single new class solved everything….

If mind numbingly folllowing the zerg around for hours each day spaming your 1 skill is considered as " fun" to well good on ya mate.

yes it didn’t do much for guilds because for starters they decided to switch gears to make gw2 as well as they had guilds halls from the start. They also had actual gvg. gw2 didn’t get but two guild halls until this expac also tell me about that gvg scene…..

oh boy error on pricing discredits my view? Your post is a crime aginst humanity than mate but by all means continue to be more hypocritical

maddoctor.2738:

snip

what? gw1 campagins were all standalone games. The heck are you on?

Try to remember uw/fow from proph ( although accessed by other campaigns), the deep/urgoz from factions or doa from nf? I’m constantly reminded of those when I do the crap they offer now. How the hell did it fall that far?

BaconofPigs.1683:

echo.2053:

oh look we have an heir!!!

So please help me understand with my lack of economy background…. what would of happened to the supply and demand in gw1 if i was able to list goods in an AH and be able to continue nonstop farming instead having to have players stop to unload their bags?

Yes prices in gw1 weren’t set in stone but rarely did they ever fall to the point where you were better off merching the item instead of forever trying to sell it like the tiny snowflake. You must be new most of the lower tier crafting items, prior to the crafting updates, were in that same position.

If you got the time I’d love to read an explanation as to why the majority of items range from merchant value to 1.5 gold with the exception if it has a superior rune or is exotic zerker. Surely its not the fact that the AH crosses all servers or the fact that players are able to empty their bags and continue to farm pretty much unimpeded. There has to be some other kind of black magic wizardary going about :o

If you actually merchant anything but the green crests, i feel so sorry for you. Maybe read on How to Play Guild Wars 2 Course 101. There is a guide somewhere. Let me find you a link. Ah here it is

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Trading_Post

Good luck.

For obvious reasons please read this post with this voice in mind as well as im that guy and you being the one with the beard growing out of the neck region. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbRQ-PGQeQ4

I feel bad for me too. I easily make 100g super casual in a day not wasting time on trash and not selling t6 mats but I already have everything I want so I end up gambling it away to feel not as awkward around everyone having a hard time making gold o.0.

Yup Illconceived Was Na.9781 I indeed deliberately ignored the majority ( and by that obviously everything but trading aspect) of the topic because the topic itself was irrelevant to begin with. There is nothing in hot really to compare to eotn,

eotn
18 dungeons – yes you can say it was hard finding groups because of the heros….. but we’ll be real for a second if heros were in gw2 you wouldn’t be picked up here either. pug groups = gw2 hell

15 map areas
unqiue armors
weapons
$19.99

hot
0 dungeons
3 new weapon skins
a new armor….thats the same raincoat as the other raincoats with added blue stuff
4 maps
$49.99
as well as you get skills that completely break all other parts of the game.

does that satisfy your needs? By all means do pm me, why else would I ask to hear your point. Don’t side step when you get called out mate.

Ironwill.5389:

echo.2053:

chemie banger.9624:

Totally agree.
My ping is hardly ever under 400 . Timed jumping puzzles and avoiding are two things I suck at. They don’t fit an online game.
There needs to be an alternate route.
I’m hitting the wall at the JP, mastery (Don’t knock yourself out) and PVP.

Interesting so I shouldn’t of been able to complete the jp while purposely trying to lag myself?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_eOEh4Zd_Y

Contrariety to popular thought process no you SHOULD NOT receive a trophy stating great effort when your team came in last place with you in the outfield playing with the bees.

I had the misfortune of doing the puzzle in an area with high latency internet connection and there’s some big differences between your connection and what I saw.

For example, I often had the snowflakes being drawn 1 at a time, whereas you look to have them drawn in blocks of 4 (could be my graphics card).

The boulders were moving very smoothly (they were very jittery where I was doing it).

Other players were also hopping around a lot (I didn’t see lot of bouncing when you where in a group, not that you were in a group very often)

It wasn’t impossible to do, just less tolerant of timing errors (for example the snowball at the end often pulled me off because of rubber banding)

not sure if trying to lag out your connection is the same as having a bad connection (looks like you had a normal ping around 200 or so) Your framerate doesn’t look to have suffered due to lag, whereas I found the framerate drop to be pretty annoying (much better now that I’m back home)

If you have the winter shoulders, you can lag out your framerate by hitting clear preview in the preview panel (the snowflake pattern gets bugged and draws multiple sets at once… which is a cool effect and can also massively drop your framerate) If you really wanted to test what a bad framerate can do to you….

I was indeed trying to lag my connection by streaming 8 videos while playing the game. It was not normal for music to start 31 seconds after hitting play whcich at that point you’ll also note that the level stopped and then suddenly loaded at once. When On the big peppermint one player was running to the right and then snapped back to the center. Classic symptom of lag is when you see everyone else running in a line.

I tried to remain with the group but even I was in disblief how all of them were killed at the same exact point. Almost died running off that end thinking that didn’t just happen.

Internet connection has absoluetly zero impact on Fps. If your having fps drops your playing at a graphic level higher than your cpu/gpu handle. Just because there is a highest setting availabledoesn’t mean that’s what you should click.

My normal ping without music is 70, with music is 80-90.

chemie banger.9624:

echo.2053:

chemie banger.9624:

echo.2053:

chemie banger.9624:

Totally agree.
My ping is hardly ever under 400 . Timed jumping puzzles and avoiding are two things I suck at. They don’t fit an online game.
There needs to be an alternate route.
I’m hitting the wall at the JP, mastery (Don’t knock yourself out) and PVP.

Interesting so I shouldn’t of been able to complete the jp while purposely trying to lag myself?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_eOEh4Zd_Y

Contrariety to popular thought process no you SHOULD NOT receive a trophy stating great effort when your team came in last place with you in the outfield playing with the bees.

Did you have a chance to learn it without lag before?

wouldn’t it be easier for someone who experiences it on a reg basis versus someone who doesn’t? I would of thought you’d adjust by now.

With most of the game blocked by your ping….what exactly entices you to play- out of curiousity?

I choose to learn the winter jp when it was first released and was actually a race against time. It wasn’t as relaxed as it was now, you had to race to get past the presents because they didnt respawn after popping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nya90KdUXQc

Yeah I can’t make myself decide any quicker. When you see something onscreen you already have 400+ms less to decide what action to take .Then the execution back. Plus there is some unknown location problem.
Lightning tether always stops me completing sanctum sprint coz it throws me off it’s target.

I play for AP champ boxes and nodes atm.

interesting. well its possible to do with 800-1k ping you just have to do it a mere 3 times.

also don’t forget to say bye to claire

chemie banger.9624:

echo.2053:

chemie banger.9624:

Totally agree.
My ping is hardly ever under 400 . Timed jumping puzzles and avoiding are two things I suck at. They don’t fit an online game.
There needs to be an alternate route.
I’m hitting the wall at the JP, mastery (Don’t knock yourself out) and PVP.

Interesting so I shouldn’t of been able to complete the jp while purposely trying to lag myself?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_eOEh4Zd_Y

Contrariety to popular thought process no you SHOULD NOT receive a trophy stating great effort when your team came in last place with you in the outfield playing with the bees.

Did you have a chance to learn it without lag before?

wouldn’t it be easier for someone who experiences it on a reg basis versus someone who doesn’t? I would of thought you’d adjust by now.

With most of the game blocked by your ping….what exactly entices you to play- out of curiousity?

I choose to learn the winter jp when it was first released and was actually a race against time. It wasn’t as relaxed as it was now, you had to race to get past the presents because they didnt respawn after popping.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

echo.2053:

Vayne.8563:

no trading post or auction house. I’ll never go back to a game where I have to stand around hawking my wares in Spamadan.
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whatt??!!! Must be crazy. Gw1 had a far more stable economy because people had to stop to sell. You also didn’t have deal with constant global undercutting to the point where you just merch everything. gw2 recipes had to be revamped just to have value.

That represents a misunderstanding of the GW1 economy.

With no global market place, there was no “stability” — prices were what anyone with more market savvy decided they were when they made their offers. Any power trader had at least one account that they could keep open in spamadan (and later, the nearest outpost to nick’s location) to buy and sell. People who had more knowledge of the game or more time to spend got better deals.

Profiteering, flipping, misleading deals, outrageous fees on simple arbitrage, and all of the things that people bemoan of take place in nearly every good bought/sold in GW1. The only reason it people didn’t complain about it is they were unaware just how much it went on.

Global undercutting, as you call it, ensures that the overall market is based on supply and demand, not on knowing more or having more time.

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Regardless, what difference does it make when comparing EotN to HoT? EotN didn’t add/subtract a global market place and HoT didn’t either.

oh look we have an heir!!!

So please help me understand with my lack of economy background…. what would of happened to the supply and demand in gw1 if i was able to list goods in an AH and be able to continue nonstop farming instead having to have players stop to unload their bags?

Yes prices in gw1 weren’t set in stone but rarely did they ever fall to the point where you were better off merching the item instead of forever trying to sell it like the tiny snowflake. You must be new most of the lower tier crafting items, prior to the crafting updates, were in that same position.

If you got the time I’d love to read an explanation as to why the majority of items range from merchant value to 1.5 gold with the exception if it has a superior rune or is exotic zerker. Surely its not the fact that the AH crosses all servers or the fact that players are able to empty their bags and continue to farm pretty much unimpeded. There has to be some other kind of black magic wizardary going about :o

chemie banger.9624:

Totally agree.
My ping is hardly ever under 400 . Timed jumping puzzles and avoiding are two things I suck at. They don’t fit an online game.
There needs to be an alternate route.
I’m hitting the wall at the JP, mastery (Don’t knock yourself out) and PVP.

Interesting so I shouldn’t of been able to complete the jp while purposely trying to lag myself?

Contrariety to popular thought process no you SHOULD NOT receive a trophy stating great effort when your team came in last place with you in the outfield playing with the bees.

Ragnarox.9601:

They promised constant updates, but only I see cash shop updates.

pretty much that. It was destined to end like this from the start. If they stayed on the same path as the living stories where every player received a blue ribbon for being there ( like middle grade school sport teams) the content team would always be in a scramble to keep up, now that there is a grind people are upset that they actually have to do something.

I agree it has failed in a sense because a good portion are looking for another game but currently every game that seems to be competitive ends up going under. its succeeds by drawing some players back just for paid visual aesthetics.

style.6173:

What do you expect? A lot of people got to diamond playing premades with multiple condi revs + bunker mesmers.

Season 1 is basically a throwaway. Let’s see if the balance updates will help make season 2 more legitimate.

insanity when you do the same thing over and over again expecting different results….

Almighty Dervisher.6720:

echo.2053:

seriously there’s a rumble over skins and skills? Surprise there’s no competition – gw1 had unique clothes. gw2 repeats the same concept – heres long drape with a mask, oh get pumped new black lion clothes about to drop…..and its the same long draped cloths and mask with added flames

as for skills lulz

http://gwpvx.gamepedia.com/Category:All_working_general_builds

gw2 – such skills much diversity

http://metabattle.com/wiki/MetaBattle_Wiki

I see about the same amount of build options, and the Guild Wars list is lacking a lot of very viable builds. Especially the non elite builds, which were a lot more common and a lot more successful. That’s coming from a heavy Arena player, who used to main Dervish, that used to bring down the Avatar Dervishes plus their friends. A lot of very viable builds that could 1v3/1v4 aren’t in that list.

so close yet tooo far – what was posted was just pve builds for gw1.

I could of posted the pvp meta- great- good etc builds – http://gwpvx.gamepedia.com/Category:All_working_PvP_builds

But it would of been pointless becuase the gw2 whiteknights would always be like " the 4 gw2 ele pvp builds is the same number as the 21 gw1 ele pvp builds – no differeance"

seriously there’s a rumble over skins and skills? Surprise there’s no competition – gw1 had unique clothes. gw2 repeats the same concept – heres long drape with a mask, oh get pumped new black lion clothes about to drop…..and its the same long draped cloths and mask with added flames

as for skills lulz

http://gwpvx.gamepedia.com/Category:All_working_general_builds

gw2 – such skills much diversity

http://metabattle.com/wiki/MetaBattle_Wiki

Vayne.8563:

echo.2053:

Vayne.8563:

no trading post or auction house. I’ll never go back to a game where I have to stand around hawking my wares in Spamadan.
.

whatt??!!! Must be crazy. Gw1 had a far more stable economy because people had to stop to sell. You also didn’t have deal with constant global undercutting to the point where you just merch everything. gw2 recipes had to be revamped just to have value.

I am not talking about the economy. I’m not worried about global undercutting. I’m worried about having fun while I play. Standing around Spamadan wasn’t fun for me.

o.0 the ah has a direct impact on the economy. To each their own though, If you enjoy mindlessly grinding low profit items nonstop….. well more power to you i guess

Vayne.8563:

no trading post or auction house. I’ll never go back to a game where I have to stand around hawking my wares in Spamadan.
.

whatt??!!! Must be crazy. Gw1 had a far more stable economy because people had to stop to sell. You also didn’t have deal with constant global undercutting to the point where you just merch everything. gw2 recipes had to be revamped just to have value.

xan.8936:

~snip~

players are out for lives when theres a drop of blood in the ocean. You can’t legitimately say everything since account creation was obtained through botting just becuase they were caught now. In other instances the items that were obtained hit the market and were bought by honest players. so they should be punished too by removing those items with little to no chance of compensation?

6 months is quite a while to see which digital pixels you retained, fairly good chance they wont be returning on their own

DeWolfe.2174:

echo.2053:

As if making hundreds of gold was difficult to begin with?

Extremely, go try it in WvW.

I’m more concerned about the Resonating Sliver fiasco. Players whom bought slivers off the TP during that brief window gained a huge advantage.

you can go to eotm to make gold there and still be in wvw.

a huge advantage how? I stopped wvwing months ago – not in this loop. Why wvw pve for less gold when you can just regular pve while getting other players troll killed and still earn more gold?

dace.8019:

Oh good, it’s this thread again. This time, for sure, the matter will finally be resolved for all.

No. Wait. That other thing. The one with the litany of anecdotes, misinformation and bullkitten.

To be fair though “If it’s posted on the internet it’s 100% true fact” ~ Thomas Edison

Lothirieth.3408:

Aidenwolf.5964:

No idea why you’re yapping in the first place but I’m sure with your months in game you could easily afford to buy it, I paid nothing for mine. So cheap.

Lol, yet another person who doesn’t realise that using the item instead of selling it is indeed “spending” money. You’ve literally “drank” away hundreds of gold.

As if making hundreds of gold was difficult to begin with?

UBcktieDL.5318:

They just need to shave some defense away, like block, evade and protection uptime. The crowd wants to see clutch moments, fast burst, outplays and not “this can take a while” when 2 people fight each other.

that awkward moment when its always been two bunkers playing a shovin stuff match, the change now is different classes with the words invulnerable+evade+block popping up often.

you are ready to reroll the next class and complain about skill x already? That dedication

account bound destroys item worth makes it 0. I’ll keep my eyes open for the unobtainable items, I enjoy doing the impossible my issue is that I keep succeeding.

you must be on the newer side, legit never crafted asc gear – finally made that 2nd set because I wasn’t lazy enough to keep putting off open the silly boxes. once you do get it it though you’ll be somewhat pleased with the nerf, it was the worst before you’d stacks more than the daily eaters could process and just be overflowing with useless nonesense

If it wasnt worth doing….why do you then continue to do it?

People wanted a system where their progress was measurable instead of counting their gold until the point where they could buy the precursor. It wasn’t suppose to be a system where you pay 1 copper to get a legendary – the system as it is already has precursor prices decreasing.

Tigaseye.2047:

^ I didn’t say everyone is honest.

I said it hadn’t occurred to me, that able bodied people might be using disabled people as an excuse to avoid doing a jumping puzzle.

You’re the one who is saying everyone, including me, is doing that.

So, how can you possibly reconcile telling everyone they should suck it up, or just email Anet saying they’re disabled and (without having to provide any proof of that) get a free pass?

According to you, we would all be doing the latter, as we’re all greedy, lying, addicts, like all your (supposed) patients.

…and if you don’t care that we all could get something for absolutely nothing, via your suggestion, why are you arguing about people asking for the option to obtain it via an alternative means?

A means where they would have to actually play the game, rather than beg for freebies?

Your position makes no, logical, sense.

You just felt like calling us all cheats and liars and tried to use your, supposed, medical background as proof of that.

You failed.

This is where the fun begins – oh boy. The easiest meathod to test whether someone is telling the truth or not is to simply get them talking – Generally if they are telling something than the truth they will either come up with off the wall stories or become extremely defensive for little reason.

I have merely been asking you the question why should an abled body player recieve the same treatment that a diabled player could be able to recieve – to which you have become increasingly hostile ( pretty strange for someone that has no intentions to pursue this item) as well as begin to state that these players don’t want handouts – they just want the difficult parts cut out, that they are incapable to telling anet their issues but yet are somehow able to manage to say them in general chat pretty contradictiory.

yes abled body players should have to suck it up and disabled players have the option to contact anet for a freebie – thats prettty reasonable and fair no?

Now that we are on the same page of players not always being honest-Since anet would have issues proving their claims how in the world do you know what they are telling you is true? to which i’m sure it’d be well it was posted on the internet so it has to be true – but for your sake lets just stick to one portion of the issue.

You claim that i’m cynical for pointing out this idea – but now im rather curious, why do you continue to include yourself in the group that would email anetto get this freebie? Naturally from your statements that you don’t intend to pursue this item that you wouldn’t be included with this group….. unless of course that isn’t the full truth.

To answer your question although you seem to confused in the direction your going- I do care in regards to the issue of freebies to all the players, this game would be absolutely boring if the moment you logged in everything was unlocked, what would be the point to keep playing?

As a bonus – I purposely lagged myself by having multiple streaming videos to get a 800-1k ( that kind where you get 1-2 sec skill delay) ping while doing the jp. my music ended up not loading until a quarter of the way in and almost died laughing at the people who got blown away by snow man.

https://youtu.be/p_eOEh4Zd_Y

Any more excuses

LOL who said they had to be assessed? This is an account-bound item not real life gold. Why would they need to do that I mean according to you everyone is completely honest or is those adorable people intentions part on your mind there?

Yes they should recieve a totally free pass for the jumping portion if they can’t do it, thats not excusing them from the rest of the parts they need.

The fact that one of the items the collection requires is tied to the 3 jump achievement is releveant, all other achivement points ouside are irrelevant – thus I don’t care w/e you got them

Tigaseye.2047:

echo.2053:

Palador.2170:

echo.2053:

Pepsi.8907:

a) unable to complete JP due to physical disabilities

Then how do they play the rest of the game when its just basic movement skills in JP I wonder?

They can take their time in most other places, including most other JPs. I’m betting they take fall damage traits and go with tankier stats, too.

traits don’t really help with require keypresses which is what people are trying to be argued here.

Sure there are legitimate issues for people for which I would not doubt if they contect anet directly would be helped out, but we all know what really happening here is people trying to ride their coat-tails for free passes which is pretty gross.

No, what’s gross is you assuming that is what people are doing.

You must be very cynical, because it didn’t even occur to me.

Its adorable when people attempt to cover up their intentions XD

Perhaps its because of my profession I’m not that naive to miss the underlying intentions of others. For example when a personwith a drug abuse history walks out of the supermarket carrying a few cans of whipped cream – it’s not because “they like whipped cream”

Again I have no problem with them contacting anet to be handed the 3 jump trophy, theyll still be able to do the 10k challange. YOU on the otherhand get to do it just like everyone else. Thats pretty good right?

5k/10k here all earned no store bought

36 wonderland acgives = 540 jumps/15 = 36 rounds / 2 = 18 hours worth. its been 6 days since start of event so / 6 = a mere 3 hours per a day

we still have 3 more weeks of this event 3*7=21 *16 ( giving you 8 hrs of sleep a night) = 336 hours. This isn’t including the fact that youll still be able to continue worthing on this achievement after festival is over.

Iv’e been earning 1k etoh a day easily so….

Ps even buying after the event isnt an issue it wont ever rise above a gold a drink. assumibng you havent drank 1 etoh 10k/365 = buying 27 a day and youll have it easily by next next xmas

zenleto.6179:

echo.2053:

zenleto.6179:

echo.2053:

zenleto.6179:

echo.2053:

Cronos.6532:

actual opinion on this though, shouldn’t be bannable. poll it or something

It shouldn’t even have been addressed, it was a complete and utter overreaction error much like the over zealous wintersday 2012 bannings.

Now they will have to address and most likely section a part of the cs team for spoiler infractions on every upcoming game, movie, tv show etc because some players feelings were mediocrely hurt.

It a bit saddening though to see that this star wars movie will be the last movie a majority of people will see though RIP, If they aren’t dying then they need to develop some coping skills pronto.

Griefing should always be addressed and that’s what this is about. Whether CS really end up doing anything about it is up to them.

So every time a player becomes offended, which is all the time, a case of griefing should be brought up? A group of players go to one lane causeing upscale – file grief report, group of players fail to defend objective – file grief report.

Its one thing if a player was repeatedly targeted or the message was spammed like gold sellers – yes action should be takening there. but outside that its just laughable

Your second paragraphette is the relevant one here, the other is just drivel. Players have been deliberately griefing others with spoilers. That is the thing here. “Deliberately” – go look it up.

So your saying players can’t purposely upscale an event to cause failure? but a general message in chat is specifically targeted at you and for some reason your block feature is broken? That guild wars 2 manual – look up the features

Of course they can so report those kittens. What aren’t you getting? Griefing is griefing.

Ugh, I told myself I wasn’t going to get involved with this. I’ve griefed myself!

But you said it was drivel before no? welcome to the light maybe?

Alright ready here is a pro tip i guess i can part with for free pay attention closely. here it comes – Imma walk away forgetting who you were or what ever conversation interaction we had you are free to tell me that tomarrow the sun will rise but yet im still going to be surpised that its there – its crazy i know but insanity runs through me

zenleto.6179:

echo.2053:

zenleto.6179:

echo.2053:

Cronos.6532:

actual opinion on this though, shouldn’t be bannable. poll it or something

It shouldn’t even have been addressed, it was a complete and utter overreaction error much like the over zealous wintersday 2012 bannings.

Now they will have to address and most likely section a part of the cs team for spoiler infractions on every upcoming game, movie, tv show etc because some players feelings were mediocrely hurt.

It a bit saddening though to see that this star wars movie will be the last movie a majority of people will see though RIP, If they aren’t dying then they need to develop some coping skills pronto.

Griefing should always be addressed and that’s what this is about. Whether CS really end up doing anything about it is up to them.

So every time a player becomes offended, which is all the time, a case of griefing should be brought up? A group of players go to one lane causeing upscale – file grief report, group of players fail to defend objective – file grief report.

Its one thing if a player was repeatedly targeted or the message was spammed like gold sellers – yes action should be takening there. but outside that its just laughable

Your second paragraphette is the relevant one here, the other is just drivel. Players have been deliberately griefing others with spoilers. That is the thing here. “Deliberately” – go look it up.

So your saying players can’t purposely upscale an event to cause failure? but a general message in chat is specifically targeted at you and for some reason your block feature is broken? That guild wars 2 manual – look up the features

zenleto.6179:

echo.2053:

Cronos.6532:

actual opinion on this though, shouldn’t be bannable. poll it or something

It shouldn’t even have been addressed, it was a complete and utter overreaction error much like the over zealous wintersday 2012 bannings.

Now they will have to address and most likely section a part of the cs team for spoiler infractions on every upcoming game, movie, tv show etc because some players feelings were mediocrely hurt.

It a bit saddening though to see that this star wars movie will be the last movie a majority of people will see though RIP, If they aren’t dying then they need to develop some coping skills pronto.

Griefing should always be addressed and that’s what this is about. Whether CS really end up doing anything about it is up to them.

So every time a player becomes offended, which is all the time, a case of griefing should be brought up? A group of players go to one lane causeing upscale – file grief report, group of players fail to defend objective – file grief report.

Its one thing if a player was repeatedly targeted or the message was spammed like gold sellers – yes action should be takening there. but outside that its just laughable

Cronos.6532:

actual opinion on this though, shouldn’t be bannable. poll it or something

It shouldn’t even have been addressed, it was a complete and utter overreaction error much like the over zealous wintersday 2012 bannings.

Now they will have to address and most likely section a part of the cs team for spoiler infractions on every upcoming game, movie, tv show etc because some players feelings were mediocrely hurt.

It a bit saddening though to see that this star wars movie will be the last movie a majority of people will see though RIP, If they aren’t dying then they need to develop some coping skills pronto.

Bellatrixa.3546:

felessan.9587:

“To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.”

Cause distress within reasonable bounds of tolerance. My point is that this is becoming day by day outside of those reasonable bounds of tolerance.

Trust me, people are not banned for simply distressing another player. That’s evident from these very forums, this thread and in game.

perhaps online games aren’t for you then? If you can’t simply ignore others why put yourself in the middle of a mass of people…. just seems like a setup for failure :I

This is beyond silliness because everything griefs players

Branden Gee.2150:

So, essentially what you are asking for is a way to have options like “Receive Whispers”:

• From All
• From Friends and Guild Members
• From Friends
• None

This seems like a reasonable feature request.
If Player A is on Player B’s friends list, but Player B isn’t on Player A’s friends list, how does that interaction work out?

Would this also extend out to things like mail?

(Please note this does not mean that this will happen, won’t happen, is planned to happen, and or not planned to happen)

You don’t need any of this. Since these are bots that spam a same predetermined message, all that is needed is a filter on your end that auto bans/suspeneds until cs contact..wtc. They are far enough out there where no normal player is going to accidentally type it in.

Palador.2170:

echo.2053:

Palador.2170:

echo.2053:

Then how do they play the rest of the game when its just basic movement skills in JP I wonder?

They can take their time in most other places, including most other JPs. I’m betting they take fall damage traits and go with tankier stats, too.

traits don’t really help with require keypresses which is what people are trying to be argued here.

Sure there are legitimate issues for people for which I would not doubt if they contect anet directly would be helped out, but we all know what really happening here is people trying to ride their coat-tails for free passes which is pretty gross.

Traits and tougher stats help to play the rest of the game with slower or bad reflexes, which is a question YOU asked. More likely to fall? Take fall damage reduction. Less likely to dodge in time? Trade in some damage so you can take the hit.

And if the JP is required for everyone else, just how do you expect ANet to help them out? Portal them to the end of the JP and tell everyone else they have to do it even if they don’t like JPs? That wouldn’t go over very well.

Sure why not its a matter of getting that 3 jump trophy. Why would other players have a problem with this or is it exactly what I stated previously that they are trying to exploit a disabled person for their own gain.

so again why should YOU be excused from this achievement for SOMEONE elses disability?

Its also rather interesting thats theres no complaints about the bell choir achievement portion which also requires coordination and reflexs……odd

There isn’t a rule specifically against spoilers. They are just twisting the grieving clause because players are upset by something (when aren’t they).

Pretty iffy to act upon such silliness…

Palador.2170:

echo.2053:

Pepsi.8907:

a) unable to complete JP due to physical disabilities

Then how do they play the rest of the game when its just basic movement skills in JP I wonder?

They can take their time in most other places, including most other JPs. I’m betting they take fall damage traits and go with tankier stats, too.

traits don’t really help with require keypresses which is what people are trying to be argued here.

Sure there are legitimate issues for people for which I would not doubt if they contect anet directly would be helped out, but we all know what really happening here is people trying to ride their coat-tails for free passes which is pretty gross.

Pepsi.8907:

a) unable to complete JP due to physical disabilities

Then how do they play the rest of the game when its just basic movement skills in JP I wonder?

Its rather sickening the lengths people will go in order to minimize effort for a petty item.

Hyper Cutter.9376:

echo.2053:

Before precursors were too expensive/high risk gamble now its too much of a grind,

They were too expensive and are too much of a grind (and still almost as expensive, because Anet values their precious pixel economy more than the happiness of the actual players).

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

The Winters Presence shoulders are roughly the same costs as other premium skins have in the past:

• Queen Bee, the Silverwastes only drop ran roughly 900g to 1600g (pre-HoT)
• Poly-luminescent refractors, from Halloween ToT, ran roughly 700-1000g (black) or 300-800g (green, orange) until Halloween 2015 (when the drop rate apparently increased).

Winter’s Presence is crafted/forged and account bound and the others are random drops. However, it’s still a premium skin and I think it’s odd that people think that it shouldn’t have a premium cost to go with it.

tl;dr how dare those filthy poors think special festival items should be reasonably attainable.

Shweet deal so you are going to sell me any future precursor or high value item to me for 1 copper. im pretty pumped about that especially since its favoring player happiness over the pixel economy.

Day 5 of 4 week festival players still says challenge too hard – stated that challenge will remain open all year long…..still too hard

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Updates-about-Wintersday/first