look at that, Mr. Anet’s personal guard is all ganged up. No that I feel sorry. Here’s a little tip: next time, when people are trying to protect your interest (i.e. calling out Anet’s screwups), don’t bark back at the hands that shield you.
I dont see people ganging up on me, I see it as one person. What interest of mine are you protecting? I have yet to see any of this. Shielding me from what exactly.?There are a bunch of people that think something is going on when there isnt.
In case you havent noticed I called out their screw up, but since you didnt read my posts completely I understand that you would think I havent.
What did you expect was going to happen when you call people “entitled” over a heated topic?
To clarify: $50 is the price of the expansion. We included the core game as a free bonus to make it easier for new players to get into it.
Where is this located in the FAQ,Buy page, Terms of purchase?
I’m still waiting on the link from the place where you actually buy HoT, or get information about what you are about to purchase.
I’m sorry to tell you.
It’s advertised and sold as a bundle.
And until the wording changes and refunds go out.
That is a fact. Under the law.
Not an opinion.Your still on about that. People have given you your answer multiple times. Your fishing for a certain answer like a UFO hunter. Its only sold as HoT, ANet has already stated, because someone asked due to being curious and wanted to make sure, that what you just linked but for some reason cant find it.
The information just isnt in the place that you want it to be and everyone would agree that it should be on the buy page. Now drop it.
Lol so tell more about this false advertising LMFAO
so player A pays $50 gets core +HoT
Player B already owning core pays $50 and only gets HoTTell me more how that’s not bait and switch xD- I enjoy
especially when “Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)” is on the buy page
It’s not bait and switch. It’s an incentive for new players to buy HoT. They could have also offered the core game on a reduced price but apparently they felt generous and gave it for free if you’re a new player.
or they could have had a reduced HoT deal for existing players with the current price package for new players ( this is where the rage is stemming)
Its not bait and switch? so you have access to play on the second core game purchased through this promotion?
Again, stop thinking about what other people get. It’s none of your business if Bob gets a better deal because he’s a new player. All you have to ask yourself is “is HoT worth 50$ for ME”. That is something only you can decide and the answer should not be influenced if some other guy gets a free core game/character slot/mini/unicorn/whatever and you don’t.
You’ll be happier if you adopt this kind of non-envious thinking. Trust me.
You’re not purchasing a second core game. You are purchasing HoT. If you are a new player you get the core game for free.
again “Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)” from the buy page
I get that you don’t mind throwing ma’s money away without care – why should you you didn’t have to work for it, As for me When i purchase something i going to make sure i get what i paid for. If im paying for a new core game then im going to make sure i can use that new core game.
Why does this matter to you anyways? seriously worst case scenario they lower the price either refunding you back the difference or offering something else to make up the difference… you still benefit either way. So before telling me the value of a dollar ( which is pretty clear since your paying more for less) take a page out of your own autobiography because it’s "none of your business " what another player is getting. right?
And theres a strawman. I make my own money thanks. And your not paying for the core game again. Its been explained and explained and explained and its just not getting through.
If you are not paying for the core game again, then why are you paying the same price as someone buying the core game?
You can use your printer to make all the money you want, that still doesn’t mean you know the value of a dollar kiddo.
Mr. Salty over here. And no your not paying for the core game again, your paying for HoT no matter if the core game is attached or not.
It makes all the difference monopoly money man. You’ll maybe find out later when you go to buy a car with all the options at a fully loaded vehicle price only to find that it has hand cranked roll down windows but as the heir to your throne said " don’t worry about what the other customers are getting for their money"
so player A pays $50 gets core +HoT
Player B already owning core pays $50 and only gets HoTTell me more how that’s not bait and switch xD- I enjoy
especially when “Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)” is on the buy page
It’s not bait and switch. It’s an incentive for new players to buy HoT. They could have also offered the core game on a reduced price but apparently they felt generous and gave it for free if you’re a new player.
or they could have had a reduced HoT deal for existing players with the current price package for new players ( this is where the rage is stemming)
Its not bait and switch? so you have access to play on the second core game purchased through this promotion?
Again, stop thinking about what other people get. It’s none of your business if Bob gets a better deal because he’s a new player. All you have to ask yourself is “is HoT worth 50$ for ME”. That is something only you can decide and the answer should not be influenced if some other guy gets a free core game/character slot/mini/unicorn/whatever and you don’t.
You’ll be happier if you adopt this kind of non-envious thinking. Trust me.
You’re not purchasing a second core game. You are purchasing HoT. If you are a new player you get the core game for free.
again “Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)” from the buy page
I get that you don’t mind throwing ma’s money away without care – why should you you didn’t have to work for it, As for me When i purchase something i going to make sure i get what i paid for. If im paying for a new core game then im going to make sure i can use that new core game.
Why does this matter to you anyways? seriously worst case scenario they lower the price either refunding you back the difference or offering something else to make up the difference… you still benefit either way. So before telling me the value of a dollar ( which is pretty clear since your paying more for less) take a page out of your own autobiography because it’s "none of your business " what another player is getting. right?
And theres a strawman. I make my own money thanks. And your not paying for the core game again. Its been explained and explained and explained and its just not getting through.
If you are not paying for the core game again, then why are you paying the same price as someone buying the core game?
You can use your printer to make all the money you want, that still doesn’t mean you know the value of a dollar kiddo.
so player A pays $50 gets core +HoT
Player B already owning core pays $50 and only gets HoTTell me more how that’s not bait and switch xD- I enjoy
especially when “Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)” is on the buy page
It’s not bait and switch. It’s an incentive for new players to buy HoT. They could have also offered the core game on a reduced price but apparently they felt generous and gave it for free if you’re a new player.
or they could have had a reduced HoT deal for existing players with the current price package for new players ( this is where the rage is stemming)
Its not bait and switch? so you have access to play on the second core game purchased through this promotion?
Again, stop thinking about what other people get. It’s none of your business if Bob gets a better deal because he’s a new player. All you have to ask yourself is “is HoT worth 50$ for ME”. That is something only you can decide and the answer should not be influenced if some other guy gets a free core game/character slot/mini/unicorn/whatever and you don’t.
You’ll be happier if you adopt this kind of non-envious thinking. Trust me.
You’re not purchasing a second core game. You are purchasing HoT. If you are a new player you get the core game for free.
again “Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)” from the buy page
I get that you don’t mind throwing ma’s money away without care – why should you you didn’t have to work for it, As for me When i purchase something i going to make sure i get what i paid for. If im paying for a new core game then im going to make sure i can use that new core game.
Why does this matter to you anyways? seriously worst case scenario they lower the price either refunding you back the difference or offering something else to make up the difference… you still benefit either way. So before telling me the value of a dollar ( which is pretty clear since your paying more for less) take a page out of your own autobiography because it’s "none of your business " what another player is getting. right?
so player A pays $50 gets core +HoT
Player B already owning core pays $50 and only gets HoTTell me more how that’s not bait and switch xD- I enjoy
especially when “Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)” is on the buy page
It’s not bait and switch. It’s an incentive for new players to buy HoT. They could have also offered the core game on a reduced price but apparently they felt generous and gave it for free if you’re a new player.
or they could have had a reduced HoT deal for existing players with the current price package for new players ( this is where the rage is stemming)
Its not bait and switch? so you have access to play on the second core game purchased through this promotion?
so player A pays $50 gets core +HoT
Player B already owning core pays $50 and only gets HoT
Tell me more how that’s not bait and switch xD- I enjoy
especially when “Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)” is on the buy page
No no no no no… just no. Your not entitled to anything. You even helped my point across that you think your entitled because you bought the game 3 years ago. Did you not forget you got soooo much that isnt able to be gotten anymore in those 3 years without paying for it like living story season 2? Or how about just all the time you spent in game already, or the free level 20 boosts, or whatever else you could think of.
This is exactly what my original post was addressing, people need to understand this.
What do you mean I’m not entitled to what I pay for? If Im paying the same price as a new player whose buying the full game plus exspanion then i better be getting a second useable copy of gw2 to do whatever I desire with. If that is not the case ( which its not) then that is a bait and switch which yes should anger you.
They can keep their instant lvl 20 scrolls, I never asked or begged for them. in fact they are ridiculous storage wasters since they don’t stack. My character was level 80 before the 1st year, was still level 80 when the second year came around, and this third year…. guess what level the character will be – ill give you a riddle its a two digit number that looks like 80 and the second digit isn’t an 8.
What dont you understand that its JUST HoT. My character was level 80 before the first few months, your point? It doesnt mean I cant get a level 80 revenant in like… oh… however long it takes to get me out of the starting area.
Your not paying for the core game, get it through your head already.
so tell me oh white knight how a brand new player can purchase hot and get a copy of gw2 core for the same price if its JUST HoT?
While we are at the process of white knighting…. where have your donations been for all the living story updates? or you are just a filthy entitled player like the rest of us.
As for the instant leveling thats exactly the point! you are making the argument that we should be bending over backwards shoveling money at anet for kitten that we don’t need nor care for. Yes a new player isn’t going to be instant level 80 becuase just that -THEY ARE BRAND kittenING NEW TO THE GAME!! how thrilled would your next game purchase be if the 1st step you toke instantly completed the game?
No no no no no… just no. Your not entitled to anything. You even helped my point across that you think your entitled because you bought the game 3 years ago. Did you not forget you got soooo much that isnt able to be gotten anymore in those 3 years without paying for it like living story season 2? Or how about just all the time you spent in game already, or the free level 20 boosts, or whatever else you could think of.
This is exactly what my original post was addressing, people need to understand this.
What do you mean I’m not entitled to what I pay for? If Im paying the same price as a new player whose buying the full game plus exspanion then i better be getting a second useable copy of gw2 to do whatever I desire with. If that is not the case ( which its not) then that is a bait and switch which yes should anger you.
They can keep their instant lvl 20 scrolls, I never asked or begged for them. in fact they are ridiculous storage wasters since they don’t stack. My character was level 80 before the 1st year, was still level 80 when the second year came around, and this third year…. guess what level the character will be – ill give you a riddle its a two digit number that looks like 80 and the second digit isn’t an 8.
HoT Price Feedback + Base game included [merged]
in Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns
Posted by: echo.2053
~snip~
so your happy with re-buying the game you already have to play the expansion rather than pay for just the expansion and have it added to the game you have? that seems….off
$50 for an expansion is ridiculous especially when its not a full game like gw1 expansions were. I’ll let the twitch streamers take the hit for final decision, spend the money on FF7 remake, mgs, fallout 4, etc.
Its going to be pretty amusing a month or two after hot drop when people get burnt out mind grinding 24/7 and anet will respond " Are you not satisfied for rebuying the core game?"
I think they misinterpeted the who “Mesmers work to confuse their opponents” to applying confusion rather than weaving in and out of clones to conceal our postion….thats a lot of confusion apply.
Lucky though we already had previous exprience with giving out too much confusion ( glamour nerf, runes of perplex nerf) to trust this fart that most likely will end up as a shart. — expect a post PB-alike nerf 3-4 days after drop
Kinda fenceline with this one – have to see how it plays out
1 thing for sure though – RIP mesmer profession 2015. 3 years after launch they are finally removing Retaliatory Demise – most highly used top skill cap trait ever
Mesmer
- Mirror Blade no longer unblockable
High damage attacks should be blockable.
oh I missed this gem lol – guys i think this skill should be nerfed because its highly telegraphed with a slow moving projectile, theres just no chance of my DODGING it so all I can do is block but its unblockable and i think its unfair pouty face
why shouldnt an opponent be punished more damage? thats the whole point of the trait. You forget teef isn’t the only problem, you also have conditions. decoy, blink are a must leaving 1 optional utility- either portal ( maybe have a spot on a team) or condi mantra ( and not be on a team ). take that into mind and then lower the burst potential of a burst class…. why then are you even bringing a mesmer?
I play mesmer mostly and would like them to be BUFFED with the main issue to me being lack of sustain. Mug on thieves works very well in its current implementation (no more crits but healing); since halting strike has no internal cooldown giving it a healing portion might indeed amount to good sustain.
As for the revealed part: you could of course add it instead to chaos storm / null field / temporal curtain. My point was simply to suggest something that would make thieves less of a hardcounter to mesmers.
no the game needs to move away from this whole sustain idea, this is why were at the point where esportz is 2 tanks circling each other for 5 mins. It may have worked in gw1 but there enhantments could be shattered or the player had to cast the skill that could be interupted potientally leading to a long cooldown.
yes no cooldown on hs however the interrupts themselves are the cooldown with more punishment to the mesmer than to the opponent. mesmer interrupts need to be buffed to stand out rather then be over shadowed by other classes who can perform the same role with better survivability.
example since teefs don’t suffer as much from interrupts/chill as much as other classes and got kitten when their skills did go on a 10 sec cooldown it could be changed so that when a mesmer ( and only a mesmer) interrupts a teef the teef loses 2 init.
Rangers/engies already have a reveal debuff on a 10 sec cooldown. Its either worthless or too strong to keep it proportionate on 25+ sec cd skills.
3. For mesmers: add some sustain + help them against thieves. I am thinking: let halting strike no longer crit, but add a healing portion (like they did with mug). Also, give them access to the revealed debuff (say phantasmal mage or phantasmal disenchanter should be able to hit in stealth and apply the debuff).
Dafaq you on? that suggestion is the same as being like a burst mesmer wearing a soldier ammy instead of a zerk – you might survive just a little bit longer but your not going to have the spike damage needed. longer the battle goes on the worse the outcome becomes for the mesmer.
as for the second part kitten no!!!! that would be absolultely horrible….. it took YEARS to get iwarden to even walk towards and perform an action against a VISABLE opponent. id rather not risk more mesmer bugs to add to the already astronomic mesmer bug list.
what was I drinking when it was decided hs needed a nerf? My mind is a bit fuzzy can someone remind me the number of interrupt mesmers to other cc classes such as hammer war, fear necro, etc throughout the tournies so far? mesmer interrupts are already underwhelming when other classes can perform the same actions with better survivability, the one trait that could have evened the cost of mesmer interrupts was immeditly nerfed becuase players couldn’t play with their 1 skill on 10 sec cooldown (the irony of all the times where spvp players were in the wvw forums saying all the zerglings could do was spam their 1 skill )
If your really that desperate to remove mesmers ( more than they already are) you are better off just working to get a nerf to portal.
meh play what class you enjoy playing. gw2 is far too casual to be caring about composition for random queues.
defiance plays a bigger roll for wearing zerker gear than dodging. Even with multiple dodging tutorials the majority of gw2 players STILL do not know when to properly dodge leading to the constant player downstate. With defiance though it removes control skills. Why use 3 cc skills just to have the 4th cc control work for sec or two only to repeat the process again when you can just trait for glasscannon with worst case scenario your teammates scrape you off the floor by their feet?
snippy snip snip
your comparing two very different queue systems. In gw1 outside ra and maybe another arena ( its been a long time) yes you had to preform parties and deal with elitist yada yada, in gw2 you can solo queue in the ranked arena ( what used to be team) get placed on a team that has no option but accept you. It’d be rather interesting to see an expriment where a player had to assemble a 5 man team prior to queueing where they did not know any of the other players ( not on friends list, not in guilds, not known aquaintances). Yes the gw2 mmr system allows outliers ( people with high mmrs) to have relatively short q times but even then its still a 10+ min wait per game.
Its not really about the queue times as it was about actual roles.
What was the role and function of a pb interrupt in gw1? What is the function and role of a mesmer in gw2?
@echo, The green text comes up with each time I press print screen so I don’t know what you’re trying to get at. If you have to spam print screen in order to get one screenshot then maybe your button is broken? And I acted far worse? Where? The text you see at the top of the chatbox was from before the match started when our ele asked if he could take the home point. That was the text from the match. Yes, all of it. And yes, I saved the screenshot as ‘pathetic’ because that’s what it’s showing. So I’ll ask you what I’ve been asking other when they try to attack me. Your point being?
yes every time you hit the print screen button the green text shows up HOWEVER the FIRST time you hit the printscreen button the green text does not show up in the the screenshot itsself. it only shows up in the following screenshots. The point is you did not take 1 screenshot here
. What else is rather interesting is how did you know he was just sitting spamming autoattack while you were busy pveing and watching the ele get 2v1’d? So somewhere within the 8 minutes he got rage quit because of the two things you said to him….why is that hard to believe?
Rofl you can to the forum (of all places) looking for sympathy, when you yourself can’t give it. Suck it up or alt+f4
Mr Sherlock Holmes?
MB 2nd ss after extending chat window?
Though OP was rude but this is not excuses the leaver behavior. He/she harms not only OP but other teammates too. Only one thing I see could be an excuse. Her days.Still lost LB points for leaver.
Remind us more how often you see a person rage quit from the winning team after getting slightly reticulated a mere 2 times?
@echo, The green text comes up with each time I press print screen so I don’t know what you’re trying to get at. If you have to spam print screen in order to get one screenshot then maybe your button is broken? And I acted far worse? Where? The text you see at the top of the chatbox was from before the match started when our ele asked if he could take the home point. That was the text from the match. Yes, all of it. And yes, I saved the screenshot as ‘pathetic’ because that’s what it’s showing. So I’ll ask you what I’ve been asking other when they try to attack me. Your point being?
yes every time you hit the print screen button the green text shows up HOWEVER the FIRST time you hit the printscreen button the green text does not show up in the the screenshot itsself. it only shows up in the following screenshots. The point is you did not take 1 screenshot here. What else is rather interesting is how did you know he was just sitting spamming autoattack while you were busy pveing and watching the ele get 2v1’d? So somewhere within the 8 minutes he got rage quit because of the two things you said to him….why is that hard to believe?
Rofl you can to the forum (of all places) looking for sympathy, when you yourself can’t give it. Suck it up or alt+f4
lol then at that point you started spamming screenshot to try to gain sympathy huh there chan ( hint the green text that tells you where the ss will be saved doesn’t show up when you only hit the print screen button once ). Its pretty evident you acted far worse to the player prior to the ss, even the name you uploaded it as shows that.
You could always just do hotjoin where its extremely causal and since we can no longer queue for matches while playing hotjoins you wont face premades often.
Has it occured to you that the reason that your team loses may not be solely your fault?
That being said if your expecting people to be compassionate in the pvp aspect of any game, you are going to have a bad day. Shrug it off and be like " Thx BB, dinner tonight for 2? You bring the wine and I’ll bring the fine xoxoxo"
The only thing the same between GW1 and GW2 is that they share ‘Guild Wars’ in the name.
^^^ this
gw2 was aimed at the sensitive casual playerbase hence why we are drifting from action vs reaction to straight passive play. If the devs actually pay attention to feedback ( extremely questionable) they are flooded with players with the mindset that if their class effortlessly beats all other classes then its balanced, HOWEVER if 1 class beats them well then that class is op and needs a nerf.
gw1 we had the ability to make many diverse builds setting up combos as well as had the risk that if your opponent interrupted your combo then you were in trouble. in gw2 your pigeonholed into a few builds and oh you interrupted my skill 3, but that doesnt stop me from using 1,2,4,5 followed by 3 a second later.
End result: We watch these tournys were the shoutcasters scream HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE as two meat tanks play ring around the rosie for several minutes until one player finally succumbs after making repeated multiple mistakes…..
Lets start off with 10 sec CD on DE shall we?
im game !!!!
In exchange for that cd on de, reveal will be extended to 10 secs.
Rofl. Yeah, because Mesmers with no icd DE (cough: endurance :/ ) are having such a great time vs thieves as it is now -_-u
XD it was a joke with semi seriousness though. Its amusing no teef would be willing to take that hit EVEN though mesmers would be hit harder with that change. lol I still remember the dead sea that was created from the tears when reveal went from 3 secs to 4.
But, compared to some other Grandmaster traits Power Block is in relatively great shape in that it has any use whatsoever.
wow do you even mesmer brah? 4 gm traits ( maybe 5 if you can do mantra) have use, cs has medium use the rest of them including the now nerfed pb are garbage that wont see that daylight outside maybe trolling hotjoin.
why take pb → when you can take cs and randomly proc stun 50% of the time → then again why why risk a 50% chance when you can proc 100% immobile + random condi-— oh wait teefs aren’t affected by chill …
The purpose of PB was to widen the gap between classes where other classes perform the role better and to reduce the self punishment. Why take an interrupt mesmer when an untraited hammer warrior can perform the same role but has better survivability, same cd’s as a traited interrupt mesmer, and doesn’t have damage reduced if the oppnent isn’t attacking? i guess im just spoiled from gw1 where interrupt mesmers had a purpose :/
Aaah I see I was getting confused between that aspect and the people prior who wanted DE to get nerfed as some sort of trade off because they know that DE is a main staple of virtually every mesmer build. Im rather shocked at my own lack of reaction – gee it would take nerfing multiple mesmer builds to bring 1 subpar gm trait up to potentially having some maybe use —- mmmm seems about right.
thatd be a nice change as long as they keep the change to clone death the same. I hate passive gameplay as much as many others.
Im pretty sure im missing something, whats this whole whine and moan about the DE trait?
what does leaderboard rank mean?
Step 1 – Go to your local bar or if your underage your local hangout.
Step 2 – Proceed to approach attractive females and in a sauve tone tell them how you are rank x on the gw2 leaderboard.
you gain a point if you get her number after making that statement, double is she takes you home immeditely. At the end up the night total your points which in turn wil show you how important the leaderboards are
Lets start off with 10 sec CD on DE shall we?
im game !!!!
In exchange for that cd on de, reveal will be extended to 10 secs.
That would be fine if every thief weapon would have its own initiative pool.
Right now, it would brokenly broken thieves. Lets say you interrupt 5/6 initiative skill and thief loses 10/12 initiative because power block. You do what then as a thief? Die because someone used 1 skill?If you interrupt not thief class skill it goes on double cd, he can use other skill who are not on cd, he can wep swap and still try to do something.
As a thief you would be left with nothing. Cant use most of skills because no initiative. Weapon swap and then what, AA? It’s stupid and it wouldn’t work.
Also, guess what? Initiative is not a cooldown. It’s a pool.
Also someone mention Chill, because someone always mentions Chill. It effects thieves speed, steel and utility/elite. It’s also, let me quote wiki “Movement speed decreased by 66%; skill cooldown increased by 66%; stacks duration.”
Initiative is not a cooldown. It’s a pool.
Stop comparing class mechanics.
aww poor teef spilling massive amounts of salt all because the potiental to be killed or crippled by one skill – we mesmers wouldn’t know about that though, we’ve only been having to randomly predict when an 8k attack was going to happen resulting in death or on the very verge of death since game launch — no biggie though.
The orignal release of pb was fine except for the stomp interrupt. The reason for including rez is that there outside skills like war banner and exilir R but there isn’t an instant kill skill.
The main issue for pb’s decline was the removal of the effects on AA. Anet’s flawless logic was " we find it perfectly fine for classes to be able to chain stunlock and fear on relativly short cd skills is perfectly balanced, however having AA on cd while being fully mobile is completely broken – nerf!! " even though the majority of teef damage comes from skill 1, even though when sprit rangers were a thing the damage came from the bleeds caused by skill 1…..
There was 1 thing that were slightly on track about at the end – pvp balance isn’t suppose to be class vs class but rather the strength and weakness of specific builds vs other builds. Case and point- you make the passive claim that if pb were to remove intitive then itd make mesmers godly against teefs – yet you conviently leave out the fact that mesmer vs teef match ups are pretty much decided within the teefs 1st opening attack based about the mesmers luck and/or quick reaction. During that first attack, how much of an issue is inititive? its not, so shouldn’t a teef be punished for allowing a fight to persist espically with that advantage?
none of the gw1 expansions fall under that description since max level across all was 20 and as well as the fact that the gear didn’t carry stats.
End of the day only 1 thing will matter – balance. It takes 6 months to fix silliness right now.
<— Remember mesmer playing that that? its amusing the amount of hype you can create with a little cgi scripting that doesnt resemble actual gameplay.
Okay, I’ve got to toss my two cents in here. I hate the new daily system. I’m a purely PvE player. I used to be able to get my daily just by playing how I wanted to play. I can’t do that anymore. Plus, there is no real reward for getting your daily accomplished. I have no desire to do my daily now. I seriously log in for the log in chest and then I go back to some other game instead. Also, I’m upset that the monthly achievement tree is gone too. This was a seriously bad idea Anet.
Lol you honestly expect us to believe that your “so encumbered” by having to do 4 measely events every day but yet had no issue having to do 100 events each month. lulz if your only reason for logging in was to spend 5 mins doing daily….. you aren’t a extremly valuable player
@ Quae long story short condensed form your complaining to complain. In one part your complaining that the new system is too cumbersome and that the other system was easier becuase ithad easier choices but then you complain about some choices being too easy, this is then followed by choices being too hard like a fractal. Then complaints about rewards which are are same what we got from the last system. I can tell that you are extremely satisfied by this change ( no sarcasm)
Id give all this up for them to fix the bugs, the swap bug for example – when you switch weapons and immeditaly use a skill like iberserker— the skill just goes onto cooldown without actually doing what its suppose to do.
Instead we get buff to a trolling utility ( you have 15s to kill something but the only thing around is a world boss at 95% hp —- how badly to you want to keep on living?), 5 sec less recharge on a utilty that will continue to stilll be largely unused, something to torch 5 well see how it turns out— then again its been used as cannon fodder for shatters anyways, confusing images —-- awesome lets buff the passive side even further- thatll yawn make for yawn some*yawn* intesne battles yawn, timewarp well see if it can make its way back on the bar , deception – lol its something though 90% of the time well just endup 1 cm to the left anyways
ARE YOU NOT SATISFIED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!I feel like there are some good ironic puns here. Like,
These balance changes are only fit to “distract” Mesmer players.
Don’t let these changes “interrupt” your day.
At least the Devs provided explanations this time, that way you can’t be “confused” about any of their reasons.
What, you were expecting bug fixes, don’t “hit yourself over the head”.
Deception good or bad? It doesn’t matter because you can “target” your feelings toward the Devs here on the forums whether they appear or not.
Oh man, I “slay” like Santa. #bonusleftoverchristmaspuns
Holy kitten this is soo good, I haven’t bursted out in howls of laughter in the last 5 minutes XD
I don’t think I’m ever going to be able handle mesmer balance previews again after reading this
How can anyone take these devs serious?
•Deception: This downed-state skill no longer requires a target in order to cast. ? Dev note: This will allow for mesmers to better use their survival skill when facing an opponent using stealth.
They are buffing one of the best downed states in the game already, while leaving the professions with much weaker downed states in the cold. And the reason!? “Mesmers had trouble dealing with stealth stomping while downed”. Yeah, just like the Warrior, Engineer, Necro and Ranger, who all have an objectively worst Avoidance as it is.
Downed state has been unbalanced since forever, but hey lets buff one of the best right? And these are the people responsible for balance changes. Embarrassing.
No wonder the balance patch’s in this game suck and they can’t handle separating balance changes for different game modes. Unless of course it might harm and inconvenience pvp, then suddenly we can isolate changes to specific gamemodes.
BREAKING NEWS
In the early morning a large quanitity of white substance was found spilled on the gw2 forums. Officials on scene have confirmed the white substance as an intense mixture of Sodium and Chloride. The cause of the spill isn’t because of an increase in damage or sustain, but much to the surprise of many viewers due to the fact that the mesmer profession down state 2 ability will no longer require a target to be casted. Fearing the worst case scenario that mesmers will dominate the entire game from down state 2, we have sent our news crews into the hot spot with the all important questions " how do you feel about the fact that 90% of the time whena mesmer uses down state skill 2 they end up 1 cm from where they were and still gets spiked by the finish they were trying to avoid or they end up in even more aoe fields?". So far attempts to contact the person who made the statement has been all in vain, at this time we’d like to take the time to urge viewers not to start panicking. Please stay tune for this live coverage.
Id give all this up for them to fix the bugs, the swap bug for example – when you switch weapons and immeditaly use a skill like iberserker— the skill just goes onto cooldown without actually doing what its suppose to do.
Instead we get buff to a trolling utility ( you have 15s to kill something but the only thing around is a world boss at 95% hp —- how badly to you want to keep on living?), 5 sec less recharge on a utilty that will continue to stilll be largely unused, something to torch 5 well see how it turns out— then again its been used as cannon fodder for shatters anyways, confusing images —-- awesome lets buff the passive side even further- thatll yawn make for yawn some*yawn* intesne battles yawn, timewarp well see if it can make its way back on the bar , deception – lol its something though 90% of the time well just endup 1 cm to the left anyways
ARE YOU NOT SATISFIED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Do I miss watching a clone run in the opposite direction or get stuck? Nope I don’t and dont care to look back
Ooh cry me a river… For once the pvp reward track was worth something and pve’rs come crying over it :/ Maybe the gift drop rate of it was a little low, does it mean they shouldn’t have put it in the reward track? HELL NO.
Some PvPers don’t mind it being there at all because they also wvw and pve (think underwater frac) and could use it. After all it is an option. You can go for other things instead if the rebreather isn’t your aim.
Instead of kittening about the reward track, kitten about anet putting ridiculously low drop rates for the interesting loot in their gifts.
I don’t believe the complaint was about it being on the reward track, but rather that being the only reliable way of obtaining it. Having it available as a reward in PvP is fine. Having it only reliably obtainable in a mode where it can’t even be used is just dumb.
Yes I should have been more clear. If it’s an option in the PVP reward track that’s fine, like I said I have no problems with even the dungeon reward tracks though that’s sort of hypocritical that PVP’ers get PVE rewards but PVE or WvW can’t get the glorious set without doing sPVP, but whatever because nobody really cares about the dungeon sets at this point.
I just think there should be wvw and pve options as well. Buy an oiled mariner bag for 1000 ugly wool sweaters or 1000 wvw badges + 100 ugly wool sweaters or something.
Lol really dude, your trying to do the whole eye level thing with the pvpers? well if you want to do that, first you got to get down on their eye level. Until the spring of 2014 update, do you know how much gold and items pvpers earned? 0 – zip – nada. They had to grind pvp for months to get a certain rank and then gamble for a chance to get the same skin that you get for doing a 5 minute dungeon path a few times. So tell you what you face the same struggle as they did and well hash out this problem easy. The game came out in aug 2012 so for the next 20 months take every item that isn’t account bound on acquire, all gold, all crafting materials, runes, sigils – and straight up toss/delete them. Just so you don’t try to be a smart alec and take a few months break and then claim time served, itll only count while your actually playing the game.
Does this sound like an acceptable deal? Lets see how far you actually are willing to go for a skin
wow look at that self motivation hooked on phonics kids dont have a thing on you. XD
one thing though, how will you ever see your black clothed character in dark black corner to create a black background and then use a dim filter to darken the screenshot to then upload to a black backgrounded forum waiting for black text responses of possible approval of your new character gloves?
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1. Your taking “just don’t do the daily” out of context. Its not " never do dailies again, quit the game and uninstall". Its so you choose to limit yourself to pve and you don’t do fractals and today ( make believe) 2 of the requirements deal with fractals….so just skip that day and do the daily the following day its only 10 ap. Hell you can do a daily wait a week and then do a daily – the world will still turn.
2. I take offense, when I was young I hate now I love it. Amazing what happens when you try something new. Here is a fun expriment- in game type /age and afterward type /deaths. The first command will tell you how long you’ve played on that character as well as account wise, the second command will tell you how many times you have died on that character. I bet you’ll have at least a couple hundred hours logged with a couple hundred deaths, strange how you put so much effort to learn how to survive in pve but when it comes to pvp you can’t when it uses the same exact skils and game mechanics…..see fun expriment you can even try it on your friends, even if they really are brand new. In the case they are brand new ask them to do the expriemnt and then use your guild list or friend list see what map they are in…. hmmm wonder how they got there without having to learn how to play?
3. err that a basic rule in life. In order to get better at something you have to put time and effort in. Your friends who put in hours to be skillful at w/e content guess what each one started at hour 1. You know that catch word “entitlement”, this point is a star studded poster board prime example of it. Players expect to do something once then claim thousand hours exprience and be told that they are prodigies even though they may have done it horribly bad. Look at the gripes here, and its because players aren’t given a trophy ap for performing the most basic actions, yet slightly make them a tiny bit more challanging ….suddenly players with hundreds of hours played are newborns.
4. How is spending time in pve not time consuming? In all actuality the whole purpose of video game is to consume time, your doing absolutely nothing productive. You gripe about dungeons taking hours to do but yet I bet youll spend hours mindlessly farming …. If your response is “well I choose/have fun farming” then refer to point 1 in terms of doing the daily
5. Sorry the moment you claimed x amount of ap as some triumph of exprience to the game, you were instead labeled as inexprience. Take a look at the top pvpers who have something like 6-10k ap who can show case 1v3’s as though it was regular breathing. Myself, I have something around 13k ap ( i think i dont really care ), lvl 33 fractals and either solo roam or small havoc in wvw as a glkittenter mesmer and yet still maintain a high rate of survivability. I am no where near a remote point that would even suggest that I was slightly “pro” – im mediocre at best.
take a week or never to earn the spvp achievements is pretty dang funny, sorry not meaning to poke fun. One achievement is to earn 50 rank points —- you get 200 rank points for losing a match, another one is a point capture or defend —- in hotjoin aka practice arena most players dont play seriously so more often then not youll have 2-3 other teammates on the same point you just have to stand in the circle lol. then you have 2 profession wins – if you werent aware you could be the lowest scoreing player on the winning side.
Ive kinda had a good chuckle at a recurring point, you challenge us to take other players under our wings to learn certain mechanics yet even though it sounds like you spent a goood time running with the exprienced players but when it comes time for you to teach suddenly it becomes someone elses responsibility. You sound kinda selfish
Only a few thousand gifts open? plz with the amount of gold pvers make a few thousand is mere pocket change scraps. Quit being stingy.
you got the underwater fractal ( if you do fractals) and two underwater bosses in frost gorge sound ( in which case your going to be swollowed by the zerg any ways ). Its not you get any more use out of it lol.
But I do have thousands of player kills. I’m not arguing for me. I’m seeing other people’s points. You should try it sometime.
I have and did that not but a couple of days ago. Someone from this post said they where having trouble tagging while holding back for the lowbies so i joined them. At first i had them confused with another player from this post who didnt want to do the events so at first i was successfully hitting events with 2-3 other players until they told me they were having trouble tagging so i switched tactics. As a mesmer, again the worst tagging class, I did 1 mind stab into event and then left. At a champ i waited until it was in critcal health before attacking, still got credit. Participating in an event doesn’t mean you have to power through and kill everything before the player next to you gets a chance to swing nor do you need a gold medal for the lowbie areas for it to count towards daily.
Your right there isn’t a large portion of people who do the higher levels of fractals, shouldnt you be instead motivated to work up to that level and have that non pvp option available? The problem isn’t that the content is too difficult but that the average gw2 player is lazy and expects everything to be handed to them. for example: if you aren’t in an organzised teq mapchances are youll more likely abandon the event even though you may do it daily, tri wurm – forget about doing major damage unless your specially at a tts map.
If the days requirements bug you that much, skip a it. This really is 50 pages of salt over doing 3 out of 12 for 10 mesely ap when you can do other achievements and get a hell of alot more ap.
Can you be killed by other players attempting those dailies? If so, it has something to do with PvP. It only has nothing to do with PvP if no one chances upon you.
Yes you can – and I can fall off in a jumping puzzle and die, I can get killed by a champ … I really can’t understand the problem some people seem to have with being killed by players while aparently having no qualms about being killed by NPCs or the environment.
As I said before – I haven’t encountered any enemy while doing the WvW dailies (just don’t try capture a tower or keep – that does increase the chance of an encounter) and on the PvP farming servers you don’t die to enemies, you die because you jump (or in case of the Kyhlo map because there’s a troll at work which happens rarely and it’s usually 1 troll against your team of 5 which makes those guys very short lived).
That’s the beauty of it. It doesn’t matter if you understand the problem.
I don’t understand how some people have a fear of heights, but it doesn’t change the fact that they have a fear of heights. You may see no difference between being killed by AI or being killed by a player but I do.
Lol I kill alot of players by dragging more mobs into fights, or giving switness at a critcal part of a jp or illusioning of life a downed player with the only creature around being a world boss at 95% life. It doesn’t matter where you run or where you hide — players are out there to take and feed upon your soul !!!!!
You cant deal with a few players will trying to capture 1 out of 15 ruins, maybe eotm is more your alternative go to place when you handicap your pve achievements as well. Its not actually pvp since 90% of the players there are upscales. believe it or not you can earn wvw achievments there – like land claimer, keep claimer, tower capture, badge spender. Servers are merged so you don’t have to worry about being on a lower populated server.
Keep up the handicap daily achievement salt over the need for 10 mesely ap — i have been thoroughly amused so far XD.
You got the wrong guy I’m level 350 something in WvW. Thanks anyway.
and your talking to a lvl 575 only because the combined all character wvw levels. MAOR excuses plox
Can you be killed by other players attempting those dailies? If so, it has something to do with PvP. It only has nothing to do with PvP if no one chances upon you.
Yes you can – and I can fall off in a jumping puzzle and die, I can get killed by a champ … I really can’t understand the problem some people seem to have with being killed by players while aparently having no qualms about being killed by NPCs or the environment.
As I said before – I haven’t encountered any enemy while doing the WvW dailies (just don’t try capture a tower or keep – that does increase the chance of an encounter) and on the PvP farming servers you don’t die to enemies, you die because you jump (or in case of the Kyhlo map because there’s a troll at work which happens rarely and it’s usually 1 troll against your team of 5 which makes those guys very short lived).
That’s the beauty of it. It doesn’t matter if you understand the problem.
I don’t understand how some people have a fear of heights, but it doesn’t change the fact that they have a fear of heights. You may see no difference between being killed by AI or being killed by a player but I do.
Lol I kill alot of players by dragging more mobs into fights, or giving switness at a critcal part of a jp or illusioning of life a downed player with the only creature around being a world boss at 95% life. It doesn’t matter where you run or where you hide — players are out there to take and feed upon your soul !!!!!
You cant deal with a few players will trying to capture 1 out of 15 ruins, maybe eotm is more your alternative go to place when you handicap your pve achievements as well. Its not actually pvp since 90% of the players there are upscales. believe it or not you can earn wvw achievments there – like land claimer, keep claimer, tower capture, badge spender. Servers are merged so you don’t have to worry about being on a lower populated server.
Keep up the handicap daily achievement salt over the need for 10 mesely ap — i have been thoroughly amused so far XD.
pretty much lesson learned here – when a new actual useful item comes out in the gem store resist the urge to buy it.
chances are either itll go on sale as like this deal or a better version will come out at a cheaper price as like the silver-fed machine (500 gems) vs the copper-fed machine (800 gems).
Silver fed (which got its cost reduced from 1 silver to 60c is still only something like 0.5c/use cheaper than the rare kit from the merchant.
Assuming you, like many people i know have mystic forge stones coming out their ears thanks to AP chests, the mystic kits are by far better value than silver fed. At 250 uses, for rares/exotics, convenience of the unlimited kit is moot. 250 uses will last a few weeks for most people.
The copper fed is a better purchase as you could go through 5 kits just doing 3-4 dungeon paths. it is also the roughly 0.5c cheaper per use than the merchant salvage kits.
Also the mining pick is very good. the sprockets are valuable and if you enjoy gathering daily, it’ll pay for itself quite quickly.
I still dislike the pay-2-win element on that mining pick though.
Going against mystic kits yeah copper is better since there are more greens/blue but thats not really what im arguing. The base price should have been the same as it in game ( copper 500 gems silver for 800). If in game the salvage kits were set up the same way, would you be using the higher priced basic salvage kit or the lower priced one with higher odds of rarer materials?
errr what? Prior to the infinite gathering tools going account bound they were 800 gems each. The people who lost out are those who bought all 3 tools at 800 and those who bought at 1000 gems.
Errrr random strawman arguement FTL at least make it somewhat relevant… in an make believe world you go out and buy your fast car for $1000 with the choice of 1 out of 3 packages with the option to add the other packages for an additional $1000. Little did you know the month prior the car and each package was only $800 each. A year goes by and you see the same car you bought fully loaded with all 3 packages for only $850 more than you paid. In this world you cant trade in or sell your car, tell us more how you would be pleased with your car purchase? XD
OR how about this one
You buy the current game/computer system for $800 the next year they put out a new one with faster speeds and better graphics for $400. Again can’t trade in or sell your old system, would you still be satisfied?
This is about emphasizing holding off purchasing useful items when there is a very good chance itll be cheaper with greater value. You can argue your 1.5 year convience alllllllll you want because people who bought this combine packaged paid 200 gems each tool less than you, unless you bought the 1000 ones which case its bumped to 400 geams less each tool. Your move
frist are you solo roaming or havoc roaming?
If your solo I would say never take pack runes. You don’t have enough access to swiftnesss, chaos storm and armor give you a random chance at 3 secs on a 35 cooldown, to get the maxium benefit you need to use focus and even then theres a 5ish sec period where you wont have swiftness as well as counting on curtain to be up in a dire situation. Not to sound arrogant but you need to reread the pack runes bonus – 25% chance when struck to get fury/might/swiftness <— are you really willing to eat a backstab/eviscerate/ etc for those buffs when you get 2 of them just from your staff autoattack? If you were on an extreme budget i would recommened runes of the centaur although you would be sacrificing your heal.
If your in a havoc group and your mates can sustain swiftness on you, then yeah you could get away with rune of pack. Youd be of better value to run runes of strength or hoelbrak .
If you look at it soley based on numbers yes power runes give you about 100 power burst then travelers, but you need also keep in mind swiftness can be removed or stolen, the permanant speed bonus cant. If you do duels there isnt anything against having an alt set with power runes since you wont have to worry about getting zerged ( maybe)
pretty much lesson learned here – when a new actual useful item comes out in the gem store resist the urge to buy it.
chances are either itll go on sale as like this deal or a better version will come out at a cheaper price as like the silver-fed machine (500 gems) vs the copper-fed machine (800 gems).
Personally I don’t care one way or another as I use and abuse the turn off musical instrument feature.
That being said a macro is automated gameplay, and regardless on what players feel is minor, Anet has finally say and change rules at a drop of a hat.
And how do you get ectos from that?
Every time you do one of the daily achievments you get a bonus chest. For completing exotic crafter you get Chest of the Crafter which Contains 3 Globs of Ectoplasm and 2 Scrolls of Experience.
its posted in the wiki http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Daily
its been posted here on the forums several times
its said in the map chat at least one time a day when this achievement is made available- which is how i found out
Most players powerlevel by crafting – Artificer is one of the cheapest crafts
Most players dont like clicking staacks of luck so they combine it through the Artificer
Your avg player has to go pretty far out of his/her way on a reg basis to not find out by accident or given this knowledge.
Echo,
A geared and traited level 80 is generally much more than just, “slightly,” more powerful than a low level character and will, generally, “blow them out of the water.”
The downscaling system is better than nothing but thats about it.
Challenge accepted – hopefully tonights reset gives a good one
You obviously didn’t understand my point when I was talking about immersion. It’s not the zerg itself, it’s how the event scaling can’t handle that number of people.
Before I could relax and play. I would stand there and pay attention to to npc’s chatter. Stand around and watch what they were doing. Now it’s “if you snooze you lose”. If you don’t watch for the mobs, if you don’t race over to where they are spawning then you won’t be able to tag one of the few, weak mobs that appear and it’s much harder to get credit. It changed the game from enjoying the event and what was going on and any lore to “mob tag”
In addition, in case you didn’t know. Events show on the map from all across the map and also with your pointer. Every single daily event I’ve done has had at least 20 people doing it with me. The event pops. People from all across the map wp then run to it. I haven’t seen one daily event so far without at least 20 others getting there within a few minutes and the event mobs being inadequate to the numbers.
Seems like you haven’t been paying attention for all 79 levels that you went through. When your a higher level than the current map you get scaled down respectively to that level, in other words that green downward facing arrow next to your number 80 indicates that your only slightly more effective then the lowbie – mainly becuase skills/traits you have unlocked however you won’t completely blow them out of the water. The good majority of low leveled players are in the eotm karma train where they bypass this if they want with the badge,land claimer, sentry kills. This is only for 1 day and gradually drops off as time goes on, theyll survive its not completely game breaking as in they wont be able to play the following day as normal. Remember complete the daily a player needs to do 3 out of 12, just because you choose to handicap yourself by limiting to only pve doesn’t mean that applies to other players.
I main a mesmer – the worst tagging class as well as I play standard shatter spec. I can run across the map to tag an event as long as its above 5% and still get gold reward, I don’t ever play in a party. Your doing something completely wrong if your not beating me, espically if your read text which indicates you were there at the start of the event and still having trouble getting credit – SMH. If you dont like being a group hit the mobs and run away, as long as you don’t leave the map youll still get credit for the event.
Im up for the challenge, please list w/e map you had trouble with and ill point you to the least likely to be zerged events.
last start zone I remember was yesterday metrica province:
Option 1- Do you do world bosses? Chances are probably yes, so on said day arrive early and do the pre event chain. Each step in the chain counts as an event counts as an event, so from start to finish youll be done with daily event by the end. Sure this will go against your antizerg desire but at the same time youll get your world boss, daily event done as well as the world events are big enough that they don’t step on the toes of low leveled players – afterwards you can go to w/e map you wish and leisurely immerse yourself in w/e event your heart desires.
Fun fact: All starter areas, except plains of ashford, have a world boss with event chains that can fulfill by do the pre events. Even still the plains of ashford has around 68 events not including fail events.
Option 2 – ( speaking specifically for metrica province so as to not to cause confusion) suppose you arrive late to fire elemental or you miss it completely – no worries stop the waterworks. There is around a total of 63 events not including chain fail events, the mass wont be at each one. As odd as it sounds at Thaumanova Reactor once fire elemental is done has 3 destroy monster events, across the map at the inquest base is another mostly avoid area, on the sides of the map there are events.
here are clues : the more remote/ off the path the event is the less likely people will be willing to travel out to it.
The easier to access or if its a defense event – the more people will be there – players like easy fast farmable events.
This is an open world massive MULTIPLAYER online rpg – your not always going to be the only player at events – get over it
oh geez a week later and still going heavy on the salt
With the events it puts me in an unpleasant position, with fully traited level 80s with a mix of exotics and ascended, where I’m racing to get to events and tag the mobs while at the same time I’m trying to be nice and hold back and not do to much damage so others can get credit also. I’m not immersed in the events.
lol tell us more how zergs break you immersion with you being lvl 80 in asc/exo gear in a lower scaled area. My drink just came out of my nose and now im crying, i pictured this situation in terms of a real life ~ like this 80 year old body builder coming up to these group of 2 year olds where one stole the others lolipop so the 80 year old is im gonna punch the little kid in the face to be heroic.
Each region has 4-5 maps each capable of being multiple overflow servers, your level 80 in what i can only assume in decent gear ( for all i know you could be a traited for condi while wearing full nomads gear), I can assure you that every event WILL NOT be zerged and at level 80 you should be able to wander away from a zerg with high probability of survival. You are also not forced to leave a map once you complete a daily, your free to stay in that area ( granted you aren’t afk ) as long as you please.
If there was one thing to complain about its the mass flood of exp scrolls when there is already a flood of skill point scrolls from champ bags and through pvp reward tracks. I, unlike the majority of gw2 players it seems, don’t mind getting blue/greens/rares from chests. Unless you were to make every chest hand out a precursor they were going whine regardless the fact that they are getting extra rewards.