Guild Wars 2

Mesket.5728:

Not only that… “I dare you” (not really, don’t care that much; this is only better than y dead times at the office) make any other character and use any other set and get over 2.2K in 3 different stats self buffed. Crit is at 29% not 24%, sigil is not reflecting on the char sheet. (that build in particular is specialized in removing conditions with soldier runes and surviving, has many regens as well; its for WvW and its pretty good for zerg pvp).

After 1 minute I made this and it can actually do some damage.

They are impressive because you don’t spend stat points on critical damage. Any gear set without critical damage will get same amount of stats.

And no, your warrior can’t outdamage other professions in berserker’s gear.

AndrewSX.3794:

I think some posts on this page just burnt some of my cerebral cells.

You okay man?

Mesket.5728:

Random replies are random. I’m far from 2400 toughness and hardly die. But nice try at a personal attack. Keep on trying though.

It’s barely random. I think I recall you playing with similiar builds.

LordByron.8369:

I ll just answer this since on the rest we don t agree but the key is this:

Is it easier for you to RANGE a boss or to melee?

Lets take for example Alpha….

Do you know why people melee him?

Speedclear party are not hardcore players, they are goldfarmers…..i dunno how people still don t get it.

LoS with enough dps to melt a boss before TW fades away can be done with monitor shut down…..

For example if you range Alpha you can be hit by 3 types of Attacks, also you have to save people from crystals, and kill grubs to avoid his healing….

Takes too much time? yes….because anet had to balance OP melee stacking where all you have to doo is to count to 3 and roll a couple of times.

I’m talking about fotm bosses and you give alpha as an counterexample. Was there an update for fotm?

You are too focused on “what works is legit”.

Range is there for a reason.
Design flaws makes it useless if you stack due to bad AI.

If AI makes 2 ranged a NECESSITY they are not being carried more than a dps Warrior in current groups….it has an easier job but still dps

Also ranged are priority targets for ranged attacks…a sort of reverse tanking.
And the lack of ranged targets shoud make surviving ranged attack in melee hard

I m just trying to sugest to put trinity good mechanics in a game without the trinity

Except that ai has priority on melee players. Meaning that ranged is fundamentally flawed in this game if you care about efficiency. You deal less damage but instead it’s easier. What’s there to change?

You like speedclears….
You know better than me that in coe-cof and many other situations a melee boss lasts seconds…..

For soloing its different exactly because your party lacks dps…..

I don’t do speedclears, I play efficient.

So you beat everything at 1st try?

…..
People at beginning was Learning…..took some time to understand….

If you pugged sometimes you would see when you get a “low dps warrior” (because he uses only GS or is not full zerk or bad build) in your speed party, all becomes (slightly) harder for everyone.

You should pug more….

Yes, I beat almost everything at 1st try. Only lupi after one wipe. Why should I pug at all? Why are you so fixated on pugs, can’t you find 4 friends in this social-friendly game?

@Lokki
I know….its difficult to explain why reducing melee strength would affect reducing zerker party viability.
If you can t reliably evade ranged Attacks in melee and get oneshot, you start having more choice.

Once again pug experience…sometimes you want knight if your party can t melee.

And for spread i mean 2 groups.
1 ranged 1 melee…trinity by roles accessible to every profession….and not by the profession itself.

There’s no role trinity. There’s only utility and dps trinity. Do some high level fractal bosses like archdiviner or shaman in melee for christ sake. Is it really fun to kite the boss while slowing him down? You don’t even have to use endurance. You must feel great after performing that feat.

Tamaki Revolution.3548:

So we’re only talking about the highest level of fractals? Remove it from the rest of the game then. I was figuring in WvW and such. Only the people on high level fractals “needing” to craft this would solve a lot of things for me :P

I think they messed up on the name, I just like something to work towards in Pve/WvW.

Why fractal runner should be forced to craft? Is crafting panel a part of fractals? Or maybe you can chop a tree in fractal?

LordByron.8369:

1) looking for =/= selling ….but since it can be ambiguos it should be specified by anet.

2) 100% of people i heard……makes me suspect its a common practice……
expecially once i’ve seen it.
You can even understand it from the description …… at least on old lfg.

I d say that is should be bannable as snowflakes since anet has probably tools to check who is legit and who is not.

You’re naive if you think anet would ban anyone that doesn’t endanger their precious economy.

I’m expecting dredge clown car suddenly appearing instead of tafu tree with sounds from this and this. Please anet, make it happen,

cesmode.4257:

Why was ascended really introduced into the game? Arenanet says to bridge the time gap between exotic and legendary. Thats assuming someone is going after a legendary, but lets assume they are.

If the person is going after a legendary and is one of those people that arenanet is trying to make happy by bridging the time gap between exotic and legendary, then all that was really needed was the ability to ‘enchant’ existing exotics with an infusion slot where you can then throw in an AR infusion.

Since Fractals are the only place that receive the full benefit of ascended gear, the simplest solution is/was to simply allow these ‘progression minded’ players to work toward ‘enchanting’ their existing exotic gear with infusion slots for AR. Im willing to bet a lot of the progression minded players will be found mostly in Fractals, to which this certainly suits. For players like me, who wanted BiS gear early and to enjoy the game, I could simply ignore infusion and AR. To the WvW player…frag on!

The simple solution laid about above appeases the progression minded folks, it appeases the casual that doesn’t want to grind for another tier of gear, it appeases the WvW player who does not want to leave WvW to obtain his/her BiS gear. It does not create imbalance, it does not create hundreds of threads about ascended gear. It does not create frustration amongst players. It does not create the sense of being lied to. It does not…wait for it…give birth to the ‘manifesto’ debate.

Simple solution. They were either too shortsighted to see it, thought they knew better than the average bear, or ignored it. Either way, this is not a developer I want to give my money to any longer.

They could have avoided ALL of this. And I think the coding would have probably been easier too.

I ask, why wasnt this considered arenanet?

Don’t think. It’s beyond logic.

Tamaki Revolution.3548:

Not white knighting. What did you guys do before ascended weapons for high level fractals?

I’m just semi okay with time gating.

(Time gating here is the difference between nrg, and just playing your characters for a week) Time gate….. jesus.

What I did isn’t relevant. What general population did is. Go pug mid level fractal 48 and tell me how often they dodge perfectly agony. I’m sure that after anet unlocks high levels those bads will continue to climb up with difficulty levels

Did I mention time gate at all? No.

Mesket.5728:

Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.

Having 2400 toughness and getting killed itches you too often?

LordByron.8369:

Mesmer GS discussion:
“you need a ranged weapon in fractals”

If you use ranged weapons in fractal you are bad….

Here:
If you don t use ranged weapons in fractal you are bad….

what am i missing?

Yet i said as in “dungeons” ranged combat is useless….in the same thread i said how fotm was an attempt to change that.

You’re missing on obvious sarcasm.

Actually not

There is a reason why some support skills are ranged, while other are not.
Same if some are 180 radius AOES and other are 360

Dividing party in ranged and melee splitting in 2-3 would add a new dimension to tactic in fights.

New dimension I’ve seen at tequatl?

spider queen doesn t use his attack on melee, i think lupicus use melee attack instead of projectile (maybe i m wrong i just care for the melee attack i don t remember it using projectile)….and stuff like that.

I’m pretty sure queen means it’s a female entity. Again, mobs/bosses use skills based on their “AI”. Most often, it’s based on priorities. She’s not using her ranged attack in melee because other attacks have higher priorioty for whole duration of the fight. It’s a technicality.

Since there are range check (cpt ashym for example) i would assume its possible to include powerful ranged Attacks that are easier to evade the more distance they fly and deals a massive amount of damage.

With ranged targets priority.

We have boss like those. Imbued shaman’s arrow is harder to evade at closer distance. Why do you even want to make a fight ranged. It’s completely boring kitefest with occasional dodge. Wait, you don’t even have to dodge an arrow, just sidestep. Oh, and how many people actually melee that boss? I could count on fingers of both hands.

Once again, most fractal bosses have already high enough melee hate, while ranging them is just brainless kite and cc.

People stacks for diferent reasons…. if you pug and you don t trust your party 100% you don t stack until phase change so you can avoid wasting your reflects before grub phase.

You would use reflects if you’d stack in range?

but i intended something more deep.

2 ranged 3 melee or 2 melee 3 ranged.

Making melee pointless is as wrong as making range pointless.

Again, that won’t be ever better than stacking in one spot because support has limited range. Much smaller than range distance. Not to mention that if you’d split your party into 2/3 or 3/2 those that range will have much easier job. You want to play with 2-3 people getting absolutely carried?

P.S. i remember also that zerker is easier to play than knight clerics and stuff….
Just some people don t know it….
If you started playing when PVT/valkirye was the choice for dungeons maybe you tried both to know…..

Last time I’ve seen someone using knight’s armour he was literally soloing kholer by autoattacking him and facetanking. How does it make it easier than someone who actually has to dodge? Berserker’s isn’t easier, reflections make it.

And I started playing dungeons almost immediately at the launch. Gear choice was made by bads who couldn’t survive, surprise surprise, because berserker was considered unviable.

Chopps.5047:

That just gave me an idea: I’m upping the ante. Beat Simin with 5 naked longbow rangers and you’ll get more shock value out of the video.

I don’t think we’d find 5 rangers.

Chopps.5047:

The only filthy elitists in gw2 are the “pro GvG” crowd. I’m a big fan of rT and you guys that post fast videos. As far as I know, a solo of Lupi is a pre-req for rT which is why I said they’re among the elite pve players, which is probably an accurate statement, right?

Filfth elitists is a term used broadly by scrubs who don’t like other people running in zerker gear. I honestly doubt that anet testers were doing simin in zerker gear, it’s more probable that their warrior had early access to celestial gear because #IzzyTheBest (pun intended).

If you don’t stand in red circles, Simin presents virtually no threat. That’s why berserker’s gear is kind of brute force method. You could have vastly improved your odds of beating her by completely or partially negating her mechanics. Do you know how many parties I joined were trying to do 4-1 for hours without even trying to run sparks?

Chopps.5047:

Lol haviz I agree in sentiment but look what you wrote: “It was not a DPS check unless you suck”.

Sucking and DPS are two different things. rT is good, right? You might even say elite. If I gave you all Dire gear, do you think you’d be able to beat the old Simin? Hmmmm

A DPS check is a DPS check whether or not you suck. I don’t think might, fury, or anything really would have allowed you to defeat old simin in Dire. Maybe if you nailed the sparks every time.

Show me an rT video of beating the current Simin in full Dire stats.

Before all those nerfs I was joining random parties stuck at simin. If said party wasn’t made up with frenchies, we usually beat her after 5-15 minutes.

I also beat her with two necros, one with blues and 700 ap, second one with 1200.

What I meant previously was that you could be decent and do it normally assuming average dps or suck and want to have 4 warriors with a mesmer. The latter was kind of brute force bads could use to overcome this extreme challenge.

Once again, late Robert said he had watched their testers and they had no issues with Simin. Do you think their testers are filthy elitists, considering less than 10% completed normal Liadri?

No one sane runs 5 condition damage dealers in pve. It’s whole game flaw, not one “dps check” enounter.

Scarlet is too fun, Anet spoils us way too often.

It’s still not maintainable. Signet of inspiration recharge is too high and signet of fury doesn’t give 5 mights, though rage does.

It was not dps check unless you suck. If anet testers could complete it, how rest of our great and skillful community could not?

Tamaki Revolution.3548:

You need all 5 of those to be ascended, right now?

You need different weapons for different bosses in fotm. Also, after armour is introduced, are you still going to white knight?

Great idea for people that hate zerging events or dungeons but anets designers are experts themselves. They have metrics.

And great temple of balthazar american district-1 was also persistent.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Rush should also be in the rotation if it isn’t, however that’s again another weird skill because it won’t work on large hit-box targets such as Lupicus.

You mean Tequatl.

And what’s wrong with it? Demand exists.

- FGJ*, banner and signet of fury
- it’s usually signet recharge one

Vayne.8563:

In which you couldn’t use skills or fight, or play. It was a lobby. Not quite the same thing. All lobby games have lobbies, but you’re not playing the game in them. You’re gathering your group in them.

How’s that relevant? You’re gathering groups in LA as well.

He’s not clueless, he’s just an ignorant.

Not going to change build, same as guardian. Always before the new meta arrives!

By the way, do we have 17th month?

Defora.3694:

Maybe we could have similar system that we have/had in original Guild Wars?

• quest/journey to gain Ascension aka update your current gear piece (maybe different guest per gear slot / select what piece you want to ascend on that quest)

Ofc that quest should be hard to match other ways to gain ascended items (craft, gather tokens, etc).

Ascension is described as a state of communion with the Old Gods. Among other benefits, those who succeed in attaining it are able to travel through the Mists, and with the right help can unlock hidden reserves of power.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ascension

We have it already, travelling to holy land of gods to chop down pieces of holy trees . What else do you want?

Maximillian Greil.1965:

Well… Ascended items were supposed to be in the game at release, but I guess they didn’t want to make us wait another year. Agony was supposed to be used in dungeons, and may still be used in dungeons one day, perhaps with the introduction of hard mode? Anyway, point is I guess they want to saturate the game with agony resist before they put it in other places other than fractals. v

Let me know what kind of mushrooms you were having.

BlueZone.4236:

Oh, you wanted a lazy solution that ANet can implement?
Um…um….more grind?

What’s lazy about rehashing old content by giving it different lewt? It’s so innovative no one thought about that before anet.

I like the new ascended shinies. Chopping a tree brings me one step closer towards my ascension.

Every non casual player I know hate this kittening crafting. Doing brainless and mindnumbing activities are not an answer, we’re not drones (well, some might be). Other mmos at least have more enjoyable methods to acquire bis gear.

Guys, anet cannot design fileters because they frankly lack skill to do so. Their “filters” in tp are very well thought from programmer perspective.

eisberg.2379:

ok, and? Has a persistent world, and has had one since day 1.

Gw1 had persistent great temple of balthazar.

ensoriki.5789:

Lol you need to fix the encounters.
You need encounters who push out more frequent damage in smaller packets to go against active defenses and place pressure on zerker specs.

That will just make people bringing more guardians.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Agreed there is no one best build for all circumstances. I agree about virtues in fractals, since there is very little condition damage in fractals it is a lot of overkill to use PoV.

If you pick at least 20 points in there, there are 4 usable traits beside condition removal and consecration recharge. The dps difference of few percents doesn’t matter that much if you’re not speedrunning.

That filter, my god. Can’t link a video.

Mesket.5728:

Actually, I’m sorry about your wasted sarcasm because I’m all in favor of a more important role for support and boons. It’s the 5 dps and go set up that I find cheap and more appropriate for a 5 dollars indie game than a triple A MMORPG.

Sorry about your wasted wall of text. Keep reading next time, don’t quote in the middle of a thread.

That’s by design, everyone is dps, support and control. Read the manifesto.

I’m against making builds someone’s, it’s not trademarked. There is only very limited amount of possible decent builds.

I know that Nikaido first posted very similiar build but there was also a discussion on guardian subforum about guardian dungeon builds where few people stated about this build before HC made a vid (which I just found out).

Back on topic, all of this build should be changed appropriately to the situation. There’s no the one best build. Personally, I’ve been using heavy virtues build in fotm because it gives more flexibilty than pure of voice builds – you can even trait tomes which has certain use.

spoj.9672:

Its not redundant. The numbers skew more the more buffs you add. Its why with less buffs necro looks pretty good compared to other classes.

Can you check the GS build? 20/25/0/5/20

It is redundant because every build uses them.

You don’t have to add exactly same damage modifiers like scholar runes, potions, sigils and vulnerability, it’s reduntant for comparison.

Slightly offtopic:
Call it dislike towards certain guild but since when 10/30/0/5/25 is “their” build? Did I miss a memo?

whyme.3281:

Colesy you are talking about maximizing DPS. But where is the defense part? If you run in a full offensive group you dont need any or only a small amount of defensive support (stun, protection, regeneration, slow, blind,……) the only required thing is a dodge at the right time and pure damage.

Maybe in cof. Usually you can’t dodge everything. This should illustrate that.

I would say berserker gear is ok, if the content would get more chalanging for beeing faster. but instead your are faster, kill bosses before they can react/become dangerous making the dungeon even easier.

You can’t kill a boss before he reacts. It’s about killing boss before his pressures you.

marnick.4305:

Sorry mate, people who discriminate have no particular rights over the people they try to discriminate against. Catering to discrimination is heavily frowned upon. It’s simply not good for the game.

Klansman think they have particular rights too, but I’m not inclined to cater to them one way or another.

Are you some kind of jester?

LordByron.8369:

Imho a solution could be to make ranged combat a more viable…..

We have it already, it’s called fractals of the mists. You should learn to play if you don’t use ranged weapons against most of the bosses.

Forcing parties to spread lowers insane DPS (just the time loss when you have to ress someone, but also kitten ons and stuff) and since ranged dps is lower it solves other issues.

Spreading parties means support becomes useless since it has limited range.

For example they could delete scripts that force bosses to avoid to use ranged Attacks while Whole party is melee.

I’m pretty sure there are no such scripts. Technically, it’s all based on priorities.

Also Adding ranged Attacks with reasonable Flying speed so at melee you can t evade them but with ranged targets priority so if all party goes melee they have a hard time and need thoughness.

If they spread, the party composition AND tactics start to be more flexible and varied.

Imbued shaman for 99,99% of gw population? Still almost every party stacks heavies while not stacking during fight.

TooBz.3065:

While I’m not advocating this, the only way to “fix” beserkers is to either

a) make enemies who are vulnerable to conditions but relatively impervious to direct damage.

Dredges and lupicus are like that already.

b) remove beserkers as an option. Then people have to decide between power + precision, power + critical damage, and precision + critical damage. There would also be more variety in the last stat (healing, vitality, or toughness).

Remove zerker and valkyrie would probably be next one optimal gear. And in few months “So how to fix Valkyrie?” appears.

That’s amazing, please, tell us more. We don’t have many stories from outside world.

digiowl.9620:

And here is the real issue. Not so much that zerker is good, but that you can run zerker with support skills and still come out ahead. Meaning that the problem is not that zerker has a massive impact, but that support/defensive related gear has virtually zero impact on the effectiveness of related skills.

Why should toughness have an impact on a shout?

What is needed is therefore a rethink of how PVE mobs present a threat. ANet needs to focus less on dodge or die “skill” (yeah yeah, “i swing a sword”…), and more on maintaining constant pressure. This will allow the defensive stats to shine more as it will allow people to stay in the fight for a noticeably longer time.

That’s by design. A lot of gw1 vets wanted to have mobs with players’ skills, that would include autoattacks and interesting fights. Instead we got slow attacks, most often being projectiles. No amount of whines will change it since it’s a fundamental feature.

Now in constrast, zerkers and “tanks” have to back off just as often. But zerkers take down the mob noticeably faster.

No.

ThiBash.5634:

The problem isn’t berserker, the problem is the one-hit kill mechanics. Change it to more (lower) damage over time and healing may become viable.

I’m beginning to think everyone here plays fotm 70+ on daily basis.

Eurhetemec.9052:

You have that right. It is being respected. You can always leave a group you don’t want to be in.

What you are demanding is the opposite of that the right to exclude, not the right to leave.

People, let’s call them here vile scums, wants scrubs to not to join their properly described parties because it’s detrimental for both sides.

How hard is to grasp that simple concept?

marnick.4305:

Depends. If you slot your utilities for … utility, instead of pure damage and take a set of weapons that’s more suited for support, it does make a difference.

Eg. Hammer for Warrior doesn’t have the most DPS but it does have control which greatsword doesn’t have. Would you give up 100b for a few control abilities?

Currently that’s a non-issue because defiant completely counters hammer abilities.

I see we’re playing the same game. Most extreme example, warriors, take 1 utility slot that’s purely damage – signet of fury. Rest are support or control in some cases.

Eurhetemec.9052:

That’s irrational. There’s no reason to believe that it would be true – it could lead to different gear being appropriate to different dungeons or scenarios or bosses.

I’m sure it would.

I’m pretty sure it’s the fact that this game thus has no gearing or thinking about gear. You just mindlessly slap on all the zerker of the highest grade you can afford.

Only runes or sigils provide any variance.

If that was intended, that would be fine, but it obviously was not intended, given that the game does not communicate this, and indeed communicates the opposite – and GW2 aren’t the sort to intentionally lie to players.

Ascended crap was also not intended. But here we have this piece of kitten.

colesy.8490:

I don’t think scrub means what you think it means.

I also don’t think he knows what elitist means. But it’s a popular world so let’s use it!

Galen Grey.4709:

I think it still is.

Ascended weapon can be acquired either through crafting or a drop. Lets forget drop for now. What do you need to craft it? Stuff you get by playing any kind of content. You feel like Dungeons? great you get dragonite Ore, gold you can use to buy mats / ectos etc.. You get rare drops you can salvage for ectos. Today you feel like Playing in Level 35 zone? materials you gather there is used in crafting of Ascended weapons too. You hate doing Dungeons? no problem Dragonite ore can also be acquired doing world bosses or guild missions or WvW or Invasions.

You don’t get dragonites for dungeons. That’s my issue. You have to buy a monkey to faceroll temple events. Or get yourself a cancer.

The game still gives you plenty of freedom how to acquire your rewards.

If you think so, you’re delusional.