Guild Wars 2

As a rule of thumb, an ele should kill mesmer, at least in pvp. No idea how players are doing that in pvd.

And we all heard about 8k firegrab on bunker spec.

You can’t kill a bunker with a bunker.

Yet this thread is named “Ele PVE Build”. Do you have same opinion as me that zvz is pve?

Mandar.9813:

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Since when mobs try to get out of churning earth?

innocent ouarior.1954:

There are way more reliable ways to gain perma Fury, having a ranger or an auramancer is probably easier.

Ranger for speed runs? Zephyr’s boon was nerfed enough that taking 3-4 signets fire aura spammer isn’t viable for speedruns.

Fury btw isnt such a incredible dps increase.

No, but it is the leverege group of warriors has over other proffesions.

I meant guardian being burnt, not applying burning.

I honestly wonder how many zerker-only advocates use so-called anchor guardians.

That’s why we have dredge fractal.

Bare minimum is wearing an armour.

What build are you running? 15/25/0/20/10?

I got a question, can necro use ds to mitigate some damage while carrying orb?

Have I really said something about 4 guardians? I’m saying that one or two guardians (dps ones, not so-called anchors) won’t make you that much slower in harder content than cof1.

Guardian deals similiar dps to warrior if he gets fury from outside source or is constantly burning. And asking about guardian buffs is a bit silly.

Great argumentation.

Perfect Inscriptions doesn’t work in pve, it does work in heart of the mists though.

Guardians and engies. You just need 1 warrior for banners/fury.

Whirling Attack, rush, savage leap, bull’s charge, leap of faith, swoop and so on? I don’t think you get a memo where anet devs were praising their combat system how you could use skills without any target active.

You get zeal and radiance traits instead of valor.

He did, I barely managed to defeat him. Though I wasn’t talking about critters.

There are 3 traits for symbols in honour line that might increase your survivability.

It might makes you tankier thanks to symbols trait which allows you to grab damage traits from zeal/radiance.

I really want to take 30 in valor for additional crit damage, it’s just I can’t find decent traits except retributive armour and purity when not running meditations. Honour has just way too many good traits to skip it.

Honour has better traits not just for dps. You can trait you hammer symbols, shouts, pure of voice, empowering might and 2h mastery. What does have valor? Meditations traits that are mostly for solo play, shield mastery, purity and retributive armor. If you want tank/support it should be 0/0/20/30/20 and if you want dps it should be 10/25/0/30/0 or 0/25/0/30/10 (5 points are free).

If perfect inscription had worked (can’t get it to work outside heart of the mist), 30 points in radiance and signet of judgement (seems it’s 15% dmg reduction traited) would have brought even more damage reduction than 300 toughness.

You’re still preaching about valor being better than honour ;p

If you don’t have to throw anything that means you’re only complaining about rtl. It has same recharge as rush, only difference are mechanics. And focus for mes is standard pvp weapon.

Ignores stacks of Defiant!

with the same boon duration gear

I wasn’t quoting you about mist form. And swiftness does affect leaps and movement skills.

How does putting 10 points in fire increase your crit?

Only RtL is not affected by movement reducing conditions, rest are normally slowed down. If you moan about mist form, why won’t you go on engineer forum and moan about elixir s?

CrazyAce.3842:

Don’t get me wrong —- I am NOT calling for another nerf to the skill itself. Anet already did that with the CD increase from 15 to 20 seconds. What I want is for the elementalist to be affected by movement-impairing conditions while using the skill like any other class is when using their respective skills. If you think that isn’t fair then you seriously need to reevaluate what you think “fair” constitutes.

Sure, just make it so you can use utility skills, attunement change and be affected by swiftness, just like any other class skill is.

My guardian can hit for 100-150k+.

Sahfur.5612:

The point is that the pure glass builds:
Won’t hold aggro.

Toughness isn’t the only aggro mechanism.

Won’t do much more damage than knights. If we did literally 10 times more damage as zerker, it would matter, but the reality is only a small percentage more.

If you have full knights+cavalier backpack just from equipment you have 336 less power nad 65% less crit dmg. Glass builds have ~90%crit chance with gs and >100% crit chance with 1h weapon. That’s quite more than small percentage.

Won’t stay in the fight longer, thus keeping proximity.

It’s better to divide damage you take on whole party than on sole tank.

Will need to dodge/break combat more.

If he won’t hold aggro?

Won’t be able to solo the same amount of content.

Now you made me laugh for few minutes.

Won’t be better at dps -OR- survivability than a similar warrior.

If guardian has access to fury, he will deal similiar damage to warrior (plus reflects) while having much better survivability

Give up support for a small amount of damage.

What has support to do with damage? You’re running with giver’s equipment?

Cause me to have to stop attacking so I can pick them up off the ground, 50% of the time. (worst part is, they are just getting splash damage from the mobs attacking me).

Might be a good idea to actually find better comrades.

Glass is -NOT- comparable to warrior in dps. Even if you go full glass you sacrifice more than the warrior does to do so in such a situation thus crippling yourself. A good defensive warrior would still do better dps than glass guardian while surviving better and gasp providing more support too. You just can’t win.

What has glass to do with support? Is glass taking signets? 3 meditations?

Sahfur.5612:

1. I didn’t at any point say I die all the time. I said I don’t die. Your very first line is a farce and an attempt to discredit me with incorrect facts. You repeatedly use stuff like this in various posts on different threads to discredit us and its very transparent. You are quite transparent. My build is tanky while also doing nearly the same dps as zerker. Why keep saying I die all the time when I am not?

If you had been dying all the time with baby steps build I think we should start talking about something else.

Tanky build doesn’t do even close dps to zerker one. I did solo lupi one week before obal in about 15 minutes using full glass build. He did that in 38 minutes with scepter and than in 30 minutes using sword. If you don’t believe that because I don’t record compare this to this. So yea, tanky does nearly same amount of dps.

Story mode is a couple of hours?! Have you invented time dilatation machine?

Wethospu.6437:

There’s a reason why Guardians don’t drop like flies at the slightest mistake. And that has nothing to do with their armor/health.

Indeed, most guardians players are just better skillwise than silly warriors.

Mad Rasputin.7809:

Problem isn’t zerker gear. Problem is bad players not knowing the fights.

Problem is lack of anchor. Every decent player knows you need anchor(s) so your zerkers can deal damage unattended.

He pinged 3 out of 13(14) pieces of equipment without traits. Surely, he had some points in toughness and vitality.

Loved stand your ground in slow motion, best part!

lettucemode.3789:

IMO, best way to balance cantrip ele isn’t by nerfing traits, but by moving them into other trait lines. Keep the power of the build, just make them sacrifice to get it, make it so they have tougher decisions to get there. This also helps out other builds that may put points into those lines.

I’m no balance guru, but off the top of my head:
-move Soothing Disruption and Cantrip Master to Earth
-make Elemental Attunement a Major trait
-move Renewing Stamina to Air
-make Earth’s Embrace a Major trait (as suggested in OP)

Thoughts?

Elemental attunement and earth’s embrace are already major traits, unless you mean master. If you move renewing staming to air it should be changed to minor trait like vigorous precision and critical infusion.

Sovta.4719:

Dude i killed him many times, what’s the problem? Or are you gonna tell how all you guys who can’t kill him are right and all us that can kill him are wrong?

Yes, you are wrong.

hellokittyonline.7532:

What rune do i use for this extreme dps build?

Heh, extreme dps build.

Swapping weapons interrupts your current action while swapping attunements not.

Cirax.9231:

And the use of the utility bar, just like other charge moves.

Is Rush an utility skill? Swoop?

Let it be affected by chill/cripple/immobilize but by swiftness as well, if you really want to normalize it.

Ioflux.4369:

May I ask how you arrived at 21% of all encounters a Tyrian player goes through?

Example: a bad player who never dodges would never be able to maintain more than 90% of their hp.

You calculate average dps of both sets and if you manage to stay above 90% hp ~21% of the time their dps is the same. This percentage value might vary a bit based on your build but I’ve used your standard 20/25/0/10/15 build.

In this case “sometimes” ~= 21%.

Thing is, you don’t have to dodge arrow and captain’s agony, staying at range suffice.

My crude calculations shows that scholar runes will be better than ruby orbs if you manage to stay above 90% of hp about 21% of the time.

25 stacks of might are almost double damage when you have base power. Do you have 916 power?

kokiman.2364:

And then A.Net actually implements interessting fights and all the zerkers will complain about it. Those tears will be delicious

Some people were using full zerker builds way before cofmania, in dungeons where most people would consider that a suicide.

offence.4726:

WvW has nothing to do with what I was saying. This spec was used loong before it became “fotm” im gonna spell it for you “flavour of the month” for new thieves after the recent changes to reveal.

So calling this new spec OP or “WOW this spec is a KILLEr” means it shouldnt and just proves how clueless and way behind the WvW community really is about gameplay, mechanics , which was the main reason that our beloved thieves got nerfed yet again with the new reveal changes. I hope this made it clear for you.

They’re quite behind. Similiar situation happened with bunker eles. Some guy made a guide after it was already being used in tpvp and now he’s the creator of that oppleasenerfomg build.

Lert.6287:

Not all of us are zergers like you.
Personally I hate zerging and never participate in fights like this.
But when I run alone and see some zerg group and some incompetent ele (or any other class) sure I will give it a try going on him.

I’ve said “roam”. I can’t zerg, my pc can’t handle its awesomeness.