Guild Wars 2

Xdmatt.3958:

So I bought a dagger and a focus to spice up my Elementalist experience, as I’ve been running strictly staff for a while. I’m following DeKeyz guide for the build and rotations.

What I’ve noticed. I’m certainly putting big number on the board, and fast, which is awfully nice of course – I’m burning enemies down even quicker than I did with Staff. But, all of this is happening at point-blank range, which seems, uh, inadvisable for someone who goes to battle wearing pajamas. With Staff, range was my defense, and if someone decided to get up close, I would either Burning Retreat away or they’d meet Mr. Lightning Hammer and Mr. Fiery Greatsword (the latter giving me pleasant amounts of mobility combined with AoE and facepunching power). At any rate, I didn’t spend much time toe-to-toe.

With D/F, I find myself having to be in the middle of it all. Now I’ve figured out that I need to move a whole lot more than I did with staff. Auras help somewhat, and then of course there’s Earth 5 invulnerability. But it only gets you so far when 1-2 swings take off half your health. DeKeyz says that D/F is good for difficult content and has a lot of survivability, but I’m just not seeing where it comes from. Basically, if I don’t burn down the enemies very, very quickly I’m in trouble, because my only heal is Arcane Brilliance, and Water attacks don’t provide heals for D/F.

How can I improve my staying power and survive better?

Play the D/F ele the same way you would play a D/D thief. One of the most basic things is simply staying out of the arc of attack of a boss. If the boss only hits in a 90* arc in front of him, if you are behind him you won’t be hit at all. That eliminates the need for dodging or any defensive measures. A lot of that just comes from experience and being comfortable with a particular boss to know how his attacks work.

Second thing is that while the DPS rotations that DeKeyz and Zel demonstrate are ideals, combat is usually very dynamic and bosses will fight back. This means you need to focus more on the boss and less on the rotation. The more experienced and comfortable you get the “ideal” rotations will become easier to maintain against even challenging bosses. But as you learn its important to not get tunnel vision on dps rotations and ignore the one-shot coming at you.

Zenith.7301:

TaCktiX.6729:

I don’t appreciate you misconstruing what I have said (or outright lying about what I’ve done) to fit your impression of me. It’s insulting and only weakens your own opinion.

Welcome to official game forums or any anonymous forum for that matter.

I’m hardly anonymous. I make myself very available.

Looking at this objectively…

1. The new system is a defiance system that is based around interrupting key skills, not on boss lock down like the current system.
2. Existing dungeon bosses (mostly) do not have key skills that need to be interrupted. Interrupting a key skill in a dungeon boss now is a nice bonus, but CC is really used for positioning and to an even greater extent lock down with deep freeze.
3. It would be easy to design very challenging raid style bosses who have mechanics that must be interrupted or will cause a wipe, or something less than a wipe but still severe.

So my preliminary thoughts is applying the new system will make old bosses less interesting and overall worse. But it opens the door for new bosses to be designed who are built with the concept of “interrupt or suffer” in mind, which would be a far superior design. So the ball is in Anet’s court to develop the great content that the new defiance system enables, which will outweigh the crappiness of the change to the old content.

Miku Lawrence.6329:

We were doing a full dungeon tour. After ac cm and ta we hit DR in se. 2 tokens and 2 empy fragments.

kitten this kitten >>

This happens to us every night. Targ has a thread in the bug report forum about the issue. Feel free to bump it. =)

Frostfang best. Fractal Axe probably better overall, but it isn’t legendary so….

Rising Dusk.2408:

It’s entirely plausible that ripping off Defiant to score a DF is still going to be a thing, and it might be even easier since a 3 second stun hurts the Defiant bar a lot more than a 1 second stun. It’s hard to say without better information. How long will the Defiant bar be “down” when you strip it completely, for instance? Maybe this will remove permanent Stability from some bosses so that we can interrupt everyone equally (ie. Korga)?

They confirmed on Reddit that when the boss’ bar is gone there will be a predetermined effect regardless of what CC pushes it. So if the bar is gone and you blind the boss it will have the same effect as if you Deep Freeze.

Thaddeus.4891:

hybrid.5027:

The big question is whether bosses start fights with full bars of defiant or if they don’t start accumulating until they are in combat. Because if they start empty, nothing changes. If they start full, its a big deal.

I’m pretty sure they start with a full bar. In one of the first video where we saw the bar (before we knew exactly what it was) the mob had a full bar from the start. Well of course the mob could had been in combat before we see it, but that’s highly unlikely.

Cool. I 50/50. On one hand, its a way better system if the goal is to interrupt key boss attacks. Its a way worse system if the goal is to disable a boss for 5 seconds to get a good burn on him.

The only reason I would be down on it is that the Deep Freeze → rip off defiant → DF – rip def -<DF - rip def -> DF chain where you got 4 freezes in a row really really rewarded coordination and high skill gameplay. Sucks to see that go.

On the positive side, it allows them to design bosses with legit “interrupt or die” raid mechanics.

The big question is whether bosses start fights with full bars of defiant or if they don’t start accumulating until they are in combat. Because if they start empty, nothing changes. If they start full, its a big deal.

Combine both good banners into one banner which frees up a utility slot for Signet of Might. Extra 180 power would go a long way to putting personal dps into a good range.

With absolutely perfect DPS rotations, 25 Might, 25 Vuln, Fury, Both banners, scholar runes, slayer potion, truffle steak etc..

Warrior DPS is 11,756.26 over a 30 second fight.

By comparison, an Engineer (using SNS Beans rather than pure DPS food) is 13,517.

One one hand, as a warrior main, that sucks. One another hand, engineer dps rotation is way, way harder so its only fair that they get better results if they can pull it off. Also, despite that the power of Banners means that warrior has a place in the meta where engineers barely do. Would any of you trade away banners for engineer’s personal DPS? I doubt it.

Anet’s dungeon design philosophy was such that there would never be encounters with a single point of failure (interrupt this skill or wipe) which lead to conclusion that failure is basically impossible. We’ll see if they are willing to let people fail in the expansion content.

TaCktiX.6729:

Agreed that regular, more difficult instanced content needs to be added to the game, so much so that I wrote…way too many words about ways to improve dungeons and Fractals (especially Fractals):

Fixing Fractals: A Comprehensive Look at Content, Expansion, and Rewards
A Data Driven Approach to Dungeon Rewards

Yeah but you’re the guy who says control isn’t used in PvE and elementalists have the worst control skills of all the classes.

edit: and when people point out how wrong that is you delete their comment.

Beldin.5498:

After all it seems there are no new dungeons in HoT, and so there will also be
no zerker meta for the new content since the meta only exists for speedrun
dungeons … but not for something like Vinewrath speedruns .. you simply
can’t speedkill those mobs in 10 seconds no matter how pro you are.

And so mostly its more important not to die than make 20% more damage
but only for 50% or less of the fight.

Pretty sure Berserker is meta for vinewrath speed runs too, if such a thing was to exist. This says more about your own (lack of) confidence in understanding the boss mechanics than it does with your assessment of other players.

Anyone who thinks the PvE meta build for Revenant won’t be berserker is living in wishful-thinking land. What has anyone seen that leads them to believe that Valk will be better? Because of an extra 10% crit chance trait? Other professions have similar or better traits and they still use Berserker and/or Assassins.

People aren’t kicking pugs who “have bad dps rotations.”

People kick pugs when we ask the pug Guardian to bring Wall of Reflect for this boss and his reply is “no, wall of reflect isn’t part of my build.”

The community doesn’t set the bar particularly high for pugs. The only people being kicked are well and truly clueless.

It’s weird how a guy who shows his ID card and credit card on youtube would have his personal information compromised. I ask of you all: do not put two and two together.

I’m the guild leader of a prominent NA dungeon guild. We have a 99% rep policy. Exceptions are for bank guilds, if you need to do missions with another guild due to time zone issues, or if you don’t want to advertise being in a dungeon guild when you PvP to avoid trash talk.

Why do we have a strict repping policy? To avoid being used. If we didn’t have a repping policy, what would happen is that new people would join the guild but continue to rep their casual guild with friends. They would rep us solely to try to fill up dungeon groups and go right back to repping their other guild when finished. Essentially, we would be an extended friendlist for them full of trusted super-pugs. Unfortunately for that attitude, we do not wish to be a friendlist we wish to be a community. You don’t get a sense of community unless people play together all the time and talk together in chat and on VOIP.

So yeah, if your guild is a a glorified friendlist for Dungeons/Worldbosses/Dry Top etc then there no need to have a rep policy. But if your guild is an actual community that provides value to the members, you have to insist on repping.

From what I understand Honor of the Waves p1 “speed clear” pugs AFK range the troll. So there is a lot of misuse of that term, yes.

I expect that we will see a direct damage pve / bursty pvp legend and that the sword mainhand will be the direct damage weapon. Since the Precision line, as shown so far, doesn’t have a great deal of good traits for a direct damage DPS build it’s entirely possible we will see something like 62006 with a berserker/assassin mix.

But this is all wild speculation at best.

Raiff.6742:

OI don’t get all the “It’s not as powerful as just auto attacking”. I have taken down multiple adversaries in short order using attack #5. A lot faster than simply auto attacking.

So your contention, and please correct me if I am mistaken, is that you play the game on a client where your Axe #5 has a higher damage coefficient than everyone else who plays the game? I mean that is ENTIRELY possible. It could very well be.

Or it could be that you want it to be true so badly that you have deluded yourself into thinking it’s true.

dlonie.6547:

I honestly don’t think they understand this. They believe FotM shards are superior to dungeons — period, and no matter how many times we try to explain to them our experiences, they don’t listen or tell us “Aren’t fractals awesome, though?!?” And they don’t really pay fractals any more attention than dungeons or have regular updates/additions.

Fractals are superior at a few things from their perspective. It’s easier to add new content to and easier to create progression for players. These are definitely important things to consider from a developer standpoint and with a long term view of the game.

If they do go the way of “raids” in the long term with 10-15 players in instanced content it makes sense to have those replace dungeons per se and have fractals be the 5 man instanced content.

dlonie.6547:

I kittening love these guys in the API CDI. Like, honest answers, straightforward discussion, and real communication. Not sanitized PC bullkitty non-answers, but actual discussion towards a common goal.

Amazing. Didn’t think this company was capable of such things.

That’s because the API program is actually collaborative and community driven, as opposed to normal game content which is a “take it or leave it” proposition.

One month left to register. We are currently capped at 24 teams but you can be sure somebody is going to drop before March 20 so interested teams should still enter.

Sweet run. I was actually thinking of those portal strats but I wasn’t sure how much faster it would make the run since I never got to test it. Looks like a nice improvement.

Shiyo.3578:

No this is a terrible idea that goes against the games entire design.

TIL the game’s design is to troll players by putting pointless time gates in front of dungeon entrances.

I don’t have map/say chat on by default. I also have chat bubbles disabled.

As I said in my post above. Set yourself to Invisible and you won’t crash. This is the only workaround at this time.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/PSA-Client-Crash-read-the-edit

This occurred last night as well to several streamers.

The prevalent theory based on that error log is that there is a malicious chat code that will crash a client when it is received. The log itself makes mention of whisper / chat being the source.

Additionally, once we suspected it was a malicious troll, everyone in our party (on live stream) set ourselves to invisible and thus unable to be whispered and the issue ceased completely.

Marthkus.4615:

Thought:

Have the trait be as you pass adrenaline thresholds, you gain might stacks.
This encourages rapid use of burst skills and adrenaline gain. It also might make something other than greatsword combo well with phalanx strength.

No. Might isn’t a problem. DPS modifiers are the problem.

Fear can last pretty long too. Why aren’t you guys currently chaining Fear on bosses?

dlonie.6547:

hybrid.5027:

No, we know what it is. Its a chat code that your whisper to someone and it crashes their game. It happened to streamers for troll purposes. It happened to arah sellers for the reasons people used to merge kick. It happens in PvP for obvious reasons. So no, it isn’t something different. It’s the same weapon being used for different motivations.

Genuinely curious, how do you know? If it doesn’t show up in your chat log and there’s no evidence of this other than a client crash, this seems like quite a jump.

(Not saying there isn’t other evidence, just that it hasn’t been shown)

You can read the entire error message. It’s specific that a whisper is causing it.

Secondly, once we set ourselves to Invisible and people couldnt whisper us anymore it stopped happening.

Since bosses have defiant, or will have something like that, the idea everyone is having of Taunting a boss to keep him locked on a tank is pretty ridiculous.

dominik.9721:

I know a lot of people who got crashes as well and none of them is a streamer so I think it’s sth different then

No, we know what it is. Its a chat code that your whisper to someone and it crashes their game. It happened to streamers for troll purposes. It happened to arah sellers for the reasons people used to merge kick. It happens in PvP for obvious reasons. So no, it isn’t something different. It’s the same weapon being used for different motivations.

Why…. do you put… after everything…?

Do you talk like that in real life? With long pauses? If so you should do exercises to increase your wit and clarity of thought and expression.

Yep, there are some hilarious 14 year olds that think its hilarious to crash the game for streamers.

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Mesmer_-_The_Mantra_Way

This is why.

Somehow this became a “good” build for the dungeon community. I don’t know how to downvote this on that site but it needs to be removed ASAP.

I like the concept of a getting a 15% dps bonus that lasts 5 seconds after you gain a bar of adrenaline. They could actually make it 20% and bring warriors back to a decent place in terms of personal DPS, though if you get to use your higher coefficient burst skills that may not be necessary.

It counts as a CC. Meaning it will be stopped by Defiant. We can safely assume Deep Freeze will be a better use of your CC in pve. This might be good for some trash mobs you need to gather up and cant LOS for some reason.

phys.7689:

hybrid.5027:

phys.7689:

DonQuack.9025:

phys.7689:

keep in mind this was dungeon with a story mode listing, highly likely it said nothing about skipping cutscenes, because no body writes that in the descriptions of dungeons.

You must not be NA. I see it all the time. Heck Im reasonably sure I saw someone post kitten in the funny lfg’s thread.

Also I can say I sometimes list my story mode with skipping cut scene ( no ap/speedrun/level req but skipping cutscene. And I have kicked people out for watching them.

I have reasons for kicking but meh, Im the devil, no real point in saying them.

screenshot is a bad word? or is it s doubled? s s s’s ss Ahh I see. " A ignore SS"

Also I dont give a rats bum about group majority. I made the rules. I listed it. I waited. I rule. until I get kicked atleast

well, honestly it doesnt really matter, just saying yall guys are not a welcoming bunch. So when some one is like why is the dungeon community so rigid and hostile? dont be like, what do you mean, we are the nicest guys you ever did meet.

Those he say yeah we are and what, well i may disagree with their ideology, but at least they arent saying its in his imagination.

Stop trolling. The dungeon community is extremely welcoming. We wouldn’t have mentor guides, create guides and do live streams if we didn’t want to help new people.

What we DON’T like is when new people come to our community, tell us we are evil, give us a list of demands and then end by saying that anet should change the game to eliminate everything we like about it. You think we should be welcoming of objectively stupid newcomers like that?

See your response shows a lot here.

You want people to follow what you say, so you make guides, cool
if people dont follow what you say, they are the enemy, and are objectively stupid.

regardless of your rightness or wrongness about anything mechanic related, thats the attitude that people dont like that makes them want to avoid dungeons, and dealing with that mindset.

Instead of reinterpreting what I said through your filter of bias, why not just take what I said literally: we are welcoming of new people with open minds but unwelcoming of people who come just to tell us how evil we are and how the game as we enjoy it should be altered to spite us. It would be insane for us to be tolerant of that second kind of person.

phys.7689:

DonQuack.9025:

phys.7689:

keep in mind this was dungeon with a story mode listing, highly likely it said nothing about skipping cutscenes, because no body writes that in the descriptions of dungeons.

You must not be NA. I see it all the time. Heck Im reasonably sure I saw someone post kitten in the funny lfg’s thread.

Also I can say I sometimes list my story mode with skipping cut scene ( no ap/speedrun/level req but skipping cutscene. And I have kicked people out for watching them.

I have reasons for kicking but meh, Im the devil, no real point in saying them.

screenshot is a bad word? or is it s doubled? s s s’s ss Ahh I see. " A ignore SS"

Also I dont give a rats bum about group majority. I made the rules. I listed it. I waited. I rule. until I get kicked atleast

well, honestly it doesnt really matter, just saying yall guys are not a welcoming bunch. So when some one is like why is the dungeon community so rigid and hostile? dont be like, what do you mean, we are the nicest guys you ever did meet.

Those he say yeah we are and what, well i may disagree with their ideology, but at least they arent saying its in his imagination.

Stop trolling. The dungeon community is extremely welcoming. We wouldn’t have mentor guides, create guides and do live streams if we didn’t want to help new people.

What we DON’T like is when new people come to our community, tell us we are evil, give us a list of demands and then end by saying that anet should change the game to eliminate everything we like about it. You think we should be welcoming of objectively stupid newcomers like that?

This will help solve all the problems of the OP and other hand-wringers.

Prysin.8542:

warriors are still up there, but in sheer DPS they have been surpassed by rangers, engineers, mesmers and guardians. Ele and thief is still way above warrior and the rest in DPS as they always was.

Guardians and mesmers are still below warriors.

Trash mobs actually give really good rewards usually. If you take the time to kill them you will get pretty decent loot as a reward for it already. Not sure why one would need more reward than that.

I thought making posts to promote one’s twitch channels was against the forum rules?

Assassin X.8573:

hybrid.5027:

BlackTruth.6813:

P.S
Try to not listen to the whiners too, most of them are PvE noobs or just low mechanic players who have no idea how to build or never really took the time to improve.

Quotes like this are a good demonstration for why no one should listen to you.

Im not sure who either of you are but Black is correct. The majority of whining comes from those who don’t take the time to understand how to play the class or take the time to improve at playing in class.

Back when the adrenaline (what whiners call nerf and what us good warriors thought of as a 2 year fix to how the mechanic is supposed to work) change, about a handful of us called it plain as day, that the gap between terribad and great warriors would only become more transparent. Seems like black is on the side of great with us, but where do you stand hybrid?

I’m on the side that doesn’t label differing opinions “pve noobs” or “low mechanic players.” If the point he was making was so strong he wouldn’t need to use pejoratives to back it up.

I’m not the final authority. Weth and the other approvers are the ones who have to make rulings.

BlackTruth.6813:

P.S
Try to not listen to the whiners too, most of them are PvE noobs or just low mechanic players who have no idea how to build or never really took the time to improve.

Quotes like this are a good demonstration for why no one should listen to you.

Also a good time to point out, rules questions should be directed to Wethospu and/or the certified record approvers. Those folks are the final say in what is and isn’t allowed in the restricted ruleset.

I would say not.

Lunar Sunset.8742:

hybrid.5027:

“Nike said so”

We live stream dungeon tours 7 nights a week. People who want to use me as a reference should watch and see when and where we stack and when and where we don’t.

You guys must have some intense social lives.

It’s not the same people every night