Guild Wars 2

Please don’t ask for DH F1 to be nerfed. It’s not OP. If a thief gets caught in any type of burst it will be blown up. Thief’s play style is based on avoiding damage entirely, so if you get caught, you’re done!

Salamander.2504:

mrauls.6519:

Salamander.2504:

Zelulose.8695:

I still think DH has too much aoe cc and damage even if they can’t 1 vs 1 for anything now. They should rebuff true shot and reduce trap damage.

But the only meaningful trap is TOF, which requires the guard to actively push/pull you through the edge to maximize damage. With marauder ammy, that crits for 3-4 K each, but requires correct positioning, timing, and you being able to CC them through. It’s actually quite a bit more effort than most other burst skills on any class. From that prospective, what about traps need to be nerfed?

People constantly get caught in that combo you just described easily and asked for it to get nerfed.

DH is not in a happy place. :|

What’s your opinion on the matter?

I think DH’s play style will annihilate not as experienced or unaware players. Players that can focus on what the DH is doing, or understand their play style will not have a difficult time beating one. This is an opinion born from fighting many different types of players.

I hope that was what you wanted an opinion on. xD

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

on crit blood won’t even heal yourself.
on swap leeching will heal i think just no damage.

also they didn’t even bother to state in patch notes that they fixed the signet bug.

I’m pretty sure it heals you, but doesn’t deal damage…

Salamander.2504:

Zelulose.8695:

I still think DH has too much aoe cc and damage even if they can’t 1 vs 1 for anything now. They should rebuff true shot and reduce trap damage.

But the only meaningful trap is TOF, which requires the guard to actively push/pull you through the edge to maximize damage. With marauder ammy, that crits for 3-4 K each, but requires correct positioning, timing, and you being able to CC them through. It’s actually quite a bit more effort than most other burst skills on any class. From that prospective, what about traps need to be nerfed?

People constantly get caught in that combo you just described easily and asked for it to get nerfed.

DH is not in a happy place. :|

style.6173:

mrauls.6519:

style.6173:

@OP:

It is better to watch all the games before posting a thread like this.

There are only two classes that are required: Mesmer and Revenant.

After that a team is required to take an ele or a ranger

The other two spots are open to whatever and we saw all classes represented today.

What teams that didn’t have an ele, range, mez, and rev won? Does anyone know?

All you had to do is say I was right. You listed 5 classes and were wrong. Again, just watch the matches before posting next time.

I didn’t say you were right or wrong. I responded to you asking what teams didn’t have those four professions… Earlier in the thread someone already mentioned that other team compositions were used, and I said awesome. Calm down man. This isn’t about being right or wrong. It’s about having a discussion.

Cyanon.1928:

Why don’t we give a break to ANET, they took a lot of feedback from season 2 in terms of matchmaking, balance, MMR algorithm.

They have a lot of work on their hands.

I don’t mind waiting as long as needed for a S3 with better matchmaking mechanics than S2.

We’d be waiting an eternity then LOL. A lot of profession changes need to happen and I doubt we’re ever going to get them. The devs are human, and can only do so much, but if this is the best they can do they might as well drop S3 and let us get on with it

style.6173:

@OP:

It is better to watch all the games before posting a thread like this.

There are only two classes that are required: Mesmer and Revenant.

After that a team is required to take an ele or a ranger

The other two spots are open to whatever and we saw all classes represented today.

What teams that didn’t have an ele, range, mez, and rev won? Does anyone know?

Spartacus.3192:

Zelulose.8695:

Ok. Amulets and stats do not equate to build diversity we have enough amulets for diversity.

Tell that to Guardians who would love to have some more vitality stat flexibility. I could make so many more builds i would rather play if i could have some more vitality. It is almost impossible for a guardian to play PvP without an amulet with vitality stat. Sure you can try zerker but you are one shotted.

So true. IF we had at least mid-tier HP pool we could use demolisher’s amulet. That would be FANTASTIC.

Or you know, they could fix traits to give us more survivability…

Spartacus.3192:

Orange Logo running DH and Thief.

Vermillion did NOT run Engie

Civilized Gentlemen did NOT run engie but ran a warrior and thief

I didn’t see Orange’s fight. How did they do? Do you know where I can watch their fight?

Still bugged ArenaNet

They don’t kittening do damage >____>

Just saw Rank 55 Dragons w the teef . Was very nice to see.

It’s like AN is making it so one build is super viable for some professions and that’s it. Why AN, why?

Is that what every pro league team runs? Are the devs not concerned of why that is?

Give guardian offhand sword or dagger….

I hope we get some info on wtf is going on tomorrow -_-

They haven’t fixed kitten -_-

Fermi.2409:

It’s not making a difference unless you’re running 1440P 144Hz, and I’m willing to bet that there are plenty of cards that could do that already.

I only max 1440p 144hz sitting idle in an empty PvP room xD. Can’t wait to see what I can get stable with the 1080!

TheRandomGuy.7246:

WvW in 1080p@60fps is almost here.

The DREAM!!!

performance performance?

Can’t wait to see how well it can run GW2 (¬o¬)

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Honestly if they allowed dragonhunter to have it’s old ’’broken’’ dps and skills. Then it would actually be semi equal with the rest of the classes. Because it’s sustain is still subpar. No amount of little aegis. Or blocks is gonna save you from unblockables. pulsing CC, Pulsing AOE damage and condi bombs. No blocks will compensate for like 2 or 3 burst heals and a few condi clears. while having 2.167 armour.

So true :| Why is class balance so bad AN?

Why hello there.

I take it you watched my video(s) X). I’ve tried out sigil of null, and I think it has been improved greatly, but I’m not convinced it will make kiting or killing enemies easier. Definitely give it a try in some unranked matches/duels etc., and see how you personally like it.

I’ve switched to using both air/fire sigils on LB/GS. It’s been working pretty well. Since sigil of blood/leeching don’t deal damage anymore (unless it’s a bug AN will fix) I’m not sure if I will use them again.

Best of luck to you!

Mace LOL. AN needs to improve every weapon kitten . They should all have some type of use in each game mode

You probably should delete this thread my friend!

Hasn’t it been a month?

Thanks for reminding me I need to cop one! Or two…

AN isn’t going to help Guardian. It’s the sad reality

I rarely see eles in my unranked matches now… Maybe they’re on a hiatus until S3. I welcome our new Warrior overlords

^ True, mistakes are costly

Burtnik.5218:

Cynz.9437:

Ninski.5680:

Now they just need to nerf thief damage, steal> 1 shot, every popular build viable, S\D S\P D\P, condi, staff all meta. all viable to legend, lets see it anet

Yeah that is why pro league teams rocking thief and dominating~

Are you seriously complaining about thief as rev lol?

Theres only 1 thing i can complain about thief as a rev. Overpowered af f1 steal. 4sec slow and crits for 4k. Can be used 2×. Who came up with that? Its ridiculous.

Probably the same person that came up with Precision Strike XDDD

Our hp being so low isn’t justifiable anymore. We should be at mid tier health pool. We’d be able to use demolisher’s amulet reliably. It would be game changing for us.

Shield should be changed. #4 is actually cool, it’s #5 which is pretty useless. It should be a small bubble that reflects incoming projectiles, and absorbs melee damage, healing us for a small % of what we absorb.

Also, give us a trait in zeal which increases our movement speed. I bet you core guardian becomes viable with that one change.

Deer with 50% fury and quickness uptime won’t be a joke!

I’d love to see more mobs with boons. +1 op

Fix it!!!!!!!!

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Booms.2594:

altruistic healing while using a shout?

uh, not quite it either. i’m looking for a set of skills that can replace the mediations 2 k burst heal so that i can experiment with a bit more vulnerability build up. To get dragonhunter to it’s old damage levels.

Big Game hunter is powerfull but incredibly inpractical.

U can stack up to 20 vulnerability with an long kitten combo sure. But in pvp u won’t the chance to uphold it. And your enemy practically has to sit still.

Don’t live in the past. Live with what you are able to do now. If you work with metabattle’s DH build you will be fine

distantvoices.2047:

Burtnik.5218:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Burtnik.5218:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Burtnik.5218:

Rev has no mobility outside of Shiro.

I’d suggest you take another look then.

Oh interesing. How are you going to close the gap without Shiro?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Profession#Revenant

Not going to do the work for you m8. Look it up yourself.

Yep, 0 arguments.

I’d downvote you had I the possibility. Seldom I have read such callous, inconsiderate utterings such as you produce, Mr. Burtnik. Fellers like you are what drive the Developers into Nerfing a good class, not the but so evil PVP People. Whiners and “want it all”-guys do that. Thank you but so very much. Besides I’d rather you removed that “document” of yours and gave it a rest lest the Dev’s get some unwholesome Ideas about how to nerf us Revenants more.

and here I was thinking I was crazy…

So it heals but doesn’t do damage?

I tried with you guys :/ You mentioned the energy cost of skills and I mentioned how it’s not hard to use those skills if you manage your energy pool plus swapping legends sets your energy back to 50.

Tons of Revs use shield and will use shield. Unless you can drop a video of you playing with sword/sword at a high level, I’m not convinced.

Thanks for the discussion guys

nottsgman.8206:

pretty sure they aren’t supposed to deal damage. neither of their tooltips suggest that they should

EDIT:
could have something to do with this:

The following skills and traits have had their Life Steal functionality standardized, fixing several exploits and bugs across the game
Sigils
Sigil of Blood
Sigil of Leeching

maybe they took out the damaging portion?

Those sigils have always did damage. It would seem weird to me that this function that persisted for 3+ years was a bug all along

Guardian has no other trait or traitline that could make meditations seem optional for Guardian DPS PvP.

No rune or sigil(s) will do so either

Varezenem.2813:

mrauls.6519:

Burtnik.5218:

mrauls.6519:

XxsdgxX.8109:

mrauls.6519:

Staff 5 was over the top. Honestly it shouldn’t even be an evade. Staff 2 can daze (if used right), Staff 4 condi clears+heals, Staff 3 blocks, and Staff 5 is a cc, evades, and deals damage… Staff is fine

Do you even know that Revenant is extremely limited by energy and even cds? Like seriously try again dude…

That’s why it’s important for Revenants to manage their energy properly. CDs on skills are pretty much nonexistent. Shortest CDs of any profession next to Thief

Warrior shield skills are shorter, better and with no energy cost. Tf you talking about?

Shield skills? You’re using shield skills as a comparison to a whole professions skillset CDs? Revenant shield #5 provides a block for 3 seconds and heals you, and #4 gives protection and healing…

I would replaced Guardian shield skills with Revenants in a heartbeat… I know Warriors would probably do the same

The healing is impressive indeed.
So impressive that anyone without healing power would rather use sword

Yet no one does? o-O #ShieldRevMeta

XxsdgxX.8109:

mrauls.6519:

Burtnik.5218:

mrauls.6519:

XxsdgxX.8109:

mrauls.6519:

Staff 5 was over the top. Honestly it shouldn’t even be an evade. Staff 2 can daze (if used right), Staff 4 condi clears+heals, Staff 3 blocks, and Staff 5 is a cc, evades, and deals damage… Staff is fine

Do you even know that Revenant is extremely limited by energy and even cds? Like seriously try again dude…

That’s why it’s important for Revenants to manage their energy properly. CDs on skills are pretty much nonexistent. Shortest CDs of any profession next to Thief

Warrior shield skills are shorter, better and with no energy cost. Tf you talking about?

Shield skills? You’re using shield skills as a comparison to a whole professions skillset CDs? Revenant shield #5 provides a block for 3 seconds and heals you, and #4 gives protection and healing…

I would replaced Guardian shield skills with Revenants in a heartbeat… I know Warriors would probably do the same

Rofl I’d take Warrior shield any day over the suicide Shield 5 is on Rev, self root…

And I actually played for 2-3 years Warrior and Guardian. Guardian shield is also meh.

A self root you can shiro dodge after, staff 3 after, staff 5 after, sword 3 after, glint heal after… Revenant has many skills that compliment the shield well

Burtnik.5218:

mrauls.6519:

XxsdgxX.8109:

mrauls.6519:

Staff 5 was over the top. Honestly it shouldn’t even be an evade. Staff 2 can daze (if used right), Staff 4 condi clears+heals, Staff 3 blocks, and Staff 5 is a cc, evades, and deals damage… Staff is fine

Do you even know that Revenant is extremely limited by energy and even cds? Like seriously try again dude…

That’s why it’s important for Revenants to manage their energy properly. CDs on skills are pretty much nonexistent. Shortest CDs of any profession next to Thief

Warrior shield skills are shorter, better and with no energy cost. Tf you talking about?

Shield skills? You’re using shield skills as a comparison to a whole professions skillset CDs? Revenant shield #5 provides a block for 3 seconds and heals you, and #4 gives protection and healing…

I would replaced Guardian shield skills with Revenants in a heartbeat… I know Warriors would probably do the same.

Warrior shield skills CDs are LONGER than Revenants

EpicTurtle.8571:

Have you seen the energy costs on Staff? They are what’s over the top. #2 costs 20 energy, #3 costs 10 and #4 and #5 cost 15. No other weapon set is that demanding.

Even if you just swapped legends you could use all three of those skills with an energy pool of 50… So, what’s the issue?

XxsdgxX.8109:

mrauls.6519:

Staff 5 was over the top. Honestly it shouldn’t even be an evade. Staff 2 can daze (if used right), Staff 4 condi clears+heals, Staff 3 blocks, and Staff 5 is a cc, evades, and deals damage… Staff is fine

Do you even know that Revenant is extremely limited by energy and even cds? Like seriously try again dude…

That’s why it’s important for Revenants to manage their energy properly. CDs on skills are pretty much nonexistent. Shortest CDs of any profession next to Thief

Both of these sigils seem to only partially work. They heal but do not deal damage. Please look into this AN.

XxsdgxX.8109:

mrauls.6519:

XxsdgxX.8109:

“Rev is still being played! I want those kittens that gave ANET money for their expansion to never touch Revenants again, it must get nerfed enough to be unplayable!”

This is basically all of you who keep saying that Rev has been getting nothing for nerfs, when practically almost every patch, although not across every single skill, they have been getting drastic nerfs one skill at a time. This is the second time Surge of the Mists has been nerfed, if you didn’t know then it’s clear how little you actually care about being fair. And you pretty much don’t even play Revenant, the only way to land all the damage from a skill you have no control over once you cast it is actually very situational, like being AFK next to a wall.

You well know deep inside you that you want Revenant completely out of radar, like being played 1 for each 20 players.

The DPS is already really bad for Raids and Revenant is only usable in WvW for Hammer 2, what a kittening disgusting community.

That’s exactly what DH is atm… completely off the radar. You’ll see 1 for every 20 players… There’s a reason rev is getting these nerfs. They’re over the top

So as I thought, alot of the hate comes from “If I suffer you must suffer too”. This is also why devs will never be able to know if they are closer to balance than before, because people will always have a grudge towards something, personal bias.

What a lovely mentality.

Where did I say that?

AN is making good nerfs. Your own personal agenda of keeping revenant where it is, is clouding your judgment. DH is balanced. I want revenant balanced as well.

XxsdgxX.8109:

“Rev is still being played! I want those kittens that gave ANET money for their expansion to never touch Revenants again, it must get nerfed enough to be unplayable!”

This is basically all of you who keep saying that Rev has been getting nothing for nerfs, when practically almost every patch, although not across every single skill, they have been getting drastic nerfs one skill at a time. This is the second time Surge of the Mists has been nerfed, if you didn’t know then it’s clear how little you actually care about being fair. And you pretty much don’t even play Revenant, the only way to land all the damage from a skill you have no control over once you cast it is actually very situational, like being AFK next to a wall.

You well know deep inside you that you want Revenant completely out of radar, like being played 1 for each 20 players.

The DPS is already really bad for Raids and Revenant is only usable in WvW for Hammer 2, what a kittening disgusting community.

That’s exactly what DH is atm… completely off the radar. You’ll see 1 for every 20 players… There’s a reason rev is getting these nerfs. They’re over the top

Anyone know?

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Just wondering if there are other things to burst heal with other then meditations in pvp?

Sigil of leeching :s