Guild Wars 2

Lazze.9870:

ragnarokda.1805:

Rangers 1v1 capabilities are the reason it’s so hard for me to switch to other classes in pvp… :/
A well played ranger is a tough fight for most specs. Although there is a part of me that sighs deeply when I see warriors pop rampage. Okay, I guess I’ll be kiting for the whole fight…

It puts a smile on my mouth, knowing that 1) he pretty much just wasted it in a 1v1 side node fight, 2) he felt the need to pop it to beat me and 3) I can kite it.

Hahah yeah that’s how I try to look at it… Wait… You just popped rampage to kill a ranger…? Holy crap. You’re either bad or desperate.

Druids have always had a small form of healing, much similar to how ranger is now. Even though I think it’d be horribly balanced most likely, I wish for shapeshifting. Love the Norn elite skills and I’ve always been a huge fan of shapeshifting classes and dot classes.

Praise be unto thee, ranger gods.

Maximum Potato.5923:

MrFisticuffs.7306:

I would like to have many condi but it seems that bleeds are the best condi to focus on, also is ranger burn really the worse in the game (pro told me so)’

runnin axe-torch only atm (sinister meta build)

i would like to add a weapon or 2

ty 4 ur help

Burning ranger isn’t the worst in the game (Cough cough condition thief), but bleed is most definitely our strongest condition. I currently run Runes of the Krait in PvP, and I’ve been having quite a lot of success with them. The thing is, since all of of our burning comes from offhand torch, and the vast majority of our bleed comes from shortbow/axe, you don’t really need to choose between them – you can run a bleed build, throw in a torch, and get the best of both.

You definitely don’t need short bow for bleeds. I never felt like short bow was impactful enough to make the cut for a pvp to me. I use Balthazar runes traited for traps. Sword/torch and axe/dagger. Spike trap, axe2 and entangle are more than enough bleed pressure and each on their own offer enough to space them out if need be beyond their primary usages. ( root, immo, KD, cripple). Our burning applications are burning trap and torch 4 and 5 and those are all pretty good and even more so if you can get people to stand in them via immo, KD, root and cripple. If they buff bleeding then krait runes will be much better and we can drop axe and maybe grab long bow or GS for utility instead of damage.

Also, I wish fire spirit was better… It can do some serious work if it doesn’t die and there is a group fight.

TLDR: we have enough bleeding application to not have to buff the duration of it to make it decent. So if we focus on how good burn is right now, our small amount of burn applications become more dangerous.

Good power rangers are scary. Live strong, ranger bro!

Additionally I believe the ease of playing one spec over another is largely based on the environment. In my case I play traps. And it’s a lot easier to kill someone if they’re not willing to move away from me. Sometimes people just aren’t aware that standing in fire long will only get you burned more. Lol. Idk what it is but people seriously love to stand in bonfire. MOST power builds don’t offer you a positional way out of taking their full damage unless you can LoS ranged burst or, I guess, cleave clones?

At first I sensed a lot of animosity in this thread but it seems to be dwindling now. I played condi when I first started and then realized it wasn’t a viable focus because conditions were too easily removed before they could serious damage and the defensive stats didn’t compensate for how slowly you killed people. Now, in my perspective at least, condi burst and power burst are nearly comparable unless you consider players with cleanses and higher reaction time. That’s when condi falls short.

I’m totally loving that damage conditions are scary at the moment. I LOVE DoT classes and I always have in any MMO or RPG I’ve ever played.

I run into warriors with soldier runes on often enough to consider them. And it’s not like bunker guards are uncommon, either. I still don’t understand where you’re getting this “double experience” stuff with power builds? What builds are you talking about that are so much more complicated than condi builds? I honestly want to know because I feel like I wanna play those ones since there is so much more prestige in playing power over condi.

Scrubs play condi? I guess? No idea.

A month or more of time should go by before anyone decides mobs hit too hard. I understand some times new things can be more challenging because you aren’t familiar with it but that’s part of the fun. And if you die, you just have to learn from your mistakes and readjust your skills or playstyle.

I would only be okay with burning being toned down if bleed, poison and torment were to hit harder.

I played an ele once and wanted to be like an earth bender and never switched out of earth because that’s my style. I never win like that so ele must be a bad class.

style.6173:

Sube Dai.8496:

Sorry I must have missed the bit with the facts and the evidence. All I hear is “waaa waaa I’m losing to condition builds”.

There are so many options for removal, on every class.

The problem is that you refuse to change your build.

Sigh. Another person who completely misses the point. Condi spam is skill-less. It is easy. Most of it is AOE in nature. Oh, and by the way, you can also spec defensively and still have a spike condi burst.

Condi is the easier way to play PvP and therefore the easiest way to gain MMR. There is no arguing that.

Is this a way that power build players justify losing to condi builds? “My build takes more skill so even if I lose I can still feel good!” ?? Playing super offensively is brainless. Doesn’t matter if it’s condi or power based. But in higher MMR you’re going to get punished by playing that way. Period.

Were at a point in pvp with GW2 that, for the longest time, people could basically ignore conditions. Like seriously… Before they buffed burning did you ever care about immediately moving out of burning rush or bonfire? Probably not. And most people are having a hard to accepting that conditions can be dangerous and as a result they don’t being cleanses and die easily to them. It’ll get better. This needs to happen. The game will be better for it in the long run.

I don’t think you know how skilled you have to be to play a condi build and win against a decent shout warrior or guard… I dread it every time I see one.

funassistant.6589:

The way the game is turning it seems like PvP is getting super boring.

No power builds because power cannot do anything vs condi unless they spec for condition removals.

Literally snoozefest.

I just don’t understand this mentality. So more than one type of stat set is capable of killing effectively and has plenty of counters and that equates to boring? You know what was boring? Being two shot from 100% by thieves, thieves and guards.

I also fail to see how slotting defensive skills hurts anyone? “Oh no I have to make choices by myself on how to not die to the thing that I keep getting pooped on by!”

Help me understand how diversity is boring in a game like this? Because I don’t.

Condi ranger.

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No one pays attention to their debuffs. That’s why it’s easier to get a kill on typical casual pvpers. If you’re a ranger and you use rapid fire, people panic because you’re taking large, noticeable chunks of their life very quickly. If you’re dropping traps or lay a bonfire under them, they don’t fully realize what that means until it’s too late. 1-3 stack of burning hurts but it’s not crazy… but when they start getting 8+ they will panic and it’ll probably be too late to even cleanse that.

DoT classes have always been a sort of “fire and then micromanage” type of play style. And the fact that I watch buffs and debuffs on me and then enemy makes it much easier for me to kill bad players with conditions.

Rangers 1v1 capabilities are the reason it’s so hard for me to switch to other classes in pvp… :/
A well played ranger is a tough fight for most specs. Although there is a part of me that sighs deeply when I see warriors pop rampage. Okay, I guess I’ll be kiting for the whole fight…

This title is priceless.

I usually run settlers in pvp with healing spring, burning trap and spike trap. Along with survival cleanses in the third slot and the elite. Healing trap is insanely amazing even without healing power or the trap trait but with both of those i just don’t die inside of it. Weapons with sword/torch and axe/dagger. Lots of staying power, lots of evades, plenty of cleanses and sustain and loads of low cooldown condition damage.

sniff so beautiful. Thank you.

Holland.9351:

http://i.imgur.com/w3jCZWC.gif

God I loved that show.

I did about 6 matches today as condi ranger and had zero issues with rev, reaper or daredevil. Condi berserkers are kind of annoying but no more so than condi engi or burn guard. chrono are literally just a tad more annoying than normal mesmer.

As for rev, you were talking about the repeated teleport skill? When I faced this skill’s usage I use my sword 2 and 3 and it worked out pretty good. Honestly the most annoying part about rev is the field that ports you out of it. haha

Okay, so highly competitive teams don’t use rangers. That is a very small fraction of the player base. Which is probably why they don’t seem to, at least openly, care about ranger representation in what we can loosely call an “e-sport”.

You could always form your own team, fill a slot with a ranger and give the class a purposeful role on your team, and maybe be competitive with said team? I don’t know how people start that crap up so that’s all on you but it’s possible, right?

Use sword and you’ll feel better about the auto attack damage you do.

Ohhhhhhhh nooooooooo but they’re so neat! The pulsing trait squares aren’t going to bother any of you??!?

Also to add, unless your bar is full of cleanses, condi ranger is pretty kitten deadly and has plenty of cc. Soooooo I dunno what condi rangers you’re fighting…

God I hate long bow rangers… So boring and predictable. Don’t get me wrong, I have seen good ones and consider myself to be fairly handy with LB/GS beasty survival build. Hey newb ranger on my team… you know you can swap your weapon, right?

I think there is an underlying stigma that the players who primarily play ranger are inherently bad at the game.

In meta dungeon groups a ranger is an acceptable replacement for either the thief or the engi depending on the dungeon. That’s pretty cool.

As for sPvP I realized something the other day while fiddling with build optimization and this was that ranger seems to have a lot of fluffy poop traits. There were several instances where I was just choosing traits that were just okay because the other options didn’t really sound that attractive. I kept saying out loud to myself… well I could do without this whole trait line and still play as effectively with just two specs slotted. Here’s to hoping druid does SOMETHING to add to our usefulness in pvp.

I started thinking that there had to be a role ranger could fill, and that’s true there are ones they can fill, but the problem is that other classes can do it better…. Albeit in some circumstances slightly better, but better nonetheless.

I think the class needs a new focus. Something that can be an attractive addition to team play (pve and pvp) but that doesn’t diminish what people who play them still love about that class.

No one puts condi ranger in the corner.

And then you meet a good condi ranger and die.

I laughed out loud at “super Mesmer”… Probably more than I should have. Well played Mesmers are scary… Period.

Yeah but that kitten looks way cool.

I died once to a condi Mesmer with a venom share thief locking me down and my damage break down was 4k back stab, 6k back stab, 14k confusion hahahaha.

Salamander is 100% on point in my opinion as well. With the increase to condition damage we can expect to see a larger variety of builds and that makes for more exciting gameplay. I love it!!

choovanski.5462:

how about both, just like power builds.
condi bombs have always been a thing in wvw and pvp, can’t see why they should be removed now. so what if someone wants to build to stack 14burns, they still have to build for it and burn cooldowns just like a power build. also unlike a power build the enemy can negate the vast majority of their damage even if they land all their skills. power builds have no ‘second chance’, if you eat the skills you just die. furthermore one player can run a build with shouts and other AOE condi clear (like shoutbow or bunk guard) and clear the majority of conditions for their whole team. in situations like that it’s the ultimate ‘passive play’ for the person getting their condis cleared by an ally.

condi builds still have to land skills just like a power build, and both types of builds use instant cast abilities and ‘passive procs’ (crit chance is the ultimate passive proc lol). some claim that landing a skill that does 2k damage over 8 seconds is easier than landing a skill that does 2k damage instantly, but I can’t see why.

Yeah I’m not sure where the “condi builds are easier” thing is coming from that seems to be popping up in this forum. Clearly people who don’t play condi builds…

Velimere.7685:

tl;dr

Today, I finally learned how to use the ignore function in Guild Wars 2 (albeit after someone thoroughly had their verbal way with me).

Hahah it WAS a learning experience! I’ve never had that happen in my entire 16 year gaming life of MMOs! But, man, the salt was LITERALLY real!

Ravenmoon.5318:

ragnarokda.1805:

style.6173:

The issue with MOST condi specs is that they are skill-less. Basically it is true something that is AOE and let the game decision win. AOE in general needs a large nerf. Make melee condi damage stronger.

I have to be at least 50% more mindful of my opponents build before I engage with a condi build than I do with a power build. I’m guessing maybe you’re referring to burn guards?

So a burn guard wants to kill you as an example: He teles on you and burst on you. Then you cleanse his burns. Oh no… His burst was negated by one skill and you moving out of his ground skill.

So a shatter mes wants to kill you: if you had no stun break you’re likely going to die. And if you manage to thwart his stealth burst, he stealths and re engages you a moment later.

As a general point it sucks to die to conditions when you’re out of cleanses… But it equally sucks to die to a zerker burst when you’re out of stun breaks or invulns.

I guess you are not as good as you think you are. A decent burn guard can reapply those burning stacks quite fast. Definitely faster before your condi cleanse will be off of its cooldown. So you’ll just watch your HP ticking off. With nothing you can do about it.

Now if invulnerabilities were blocking condi damage as well ….

This is true. However, I’m not just standing there cleansing his burns with my finger up my butt. My point in this scenario is that even IF the burn guard gets to burst you again, there was a period of counter play time for both players. If he wins, he managed to live long enough to get more burn on you and you had no way to stop it. Or you win. The fight was more engaging than being one shot by someone. That was my point. I mean kitten, I don’t even play guard. That’s just the next thing people complain about after ele these days. Lol. Sorry for the terribly set up example.

style.6173:

The issue with MOST condi specs is that they are skill-less. Basically it is true something that is AOE and let the game decision win. AOE in general needs a large nerf. Make melee condi damage stronger.

I have to be at least 50% more mindful of my opponents build before I engage with a condi build than I do with a power build. I’m guessing maybe you’re referring to burn guards?

So a burn guard wants to kill you as an example: He teles on you and burst on you. Then you cleanse his burns. Oh no… His burst was negated by one skill and you moving out of his ground skill.

So a shatter mes wants to kill you: if you had no stun break you’re likely going to die. And if you manage to thwart his stealth burst, he stealths and re engages you a moment later.

As a general point it sucks to die to conditions when you’re out of cleanses… But it equally sucks to die to a zerker burst when you’re out of stun breaks or invulns.

I think condition builds are unique in that they can do both. If I run settlers I’m not as bursty but if I run carrion or rabid I’m more bursty.

Everyone keeps talking about the viability of the long bow on ranger but sword/torch, axe/dagger condi survival trapper eats them alive. And a lot of other popular builds for that matter. Great on point with settlers and not too bad with rabid or carrion, either. Also healing spring is pretty kitten underrated in group fights… A water field and constant regen/cleanse application over 10 seconds? With burning being how awesome it is right now the condi builds shine brightly for rangers. Abandon your long bows, mates!

All they have to do is make the orr mobs all vets and have them use their specific abilities more frequently. That kitten would be scary as hell haha.

Some times the POI in cities are in instances, too. Dunno if you didn’t know or not.

There should be conditions for control and ones for damage. There have and will always be DoTs in MMOs and that will never change. And for the most part there are always classes or builds that focus on dealing damage over time primarily over direct damage. I HATED damage conditions before the patch. It was stupid that you couldn’t effectively match dps of a zerker build with a condition based one.

Bleeding doesn’t tick faster than burning. Consolidate your damage conditions and you’ll see that. Bleeding CAN stack higher and as a result does less damage per stack but ultimately they’re the same except at the moment burning just does more for less effort. Skills that apply 2 burning stacks and skills that are the bleed equivalent should apply 4 or have a lower cool down. OR give bleed a more unique identity. Wtf is torment? Get rid of that and make bleed hit harder if the victim is moving. THAT makes sense. Torment is fluff. Poison is great. It does pretty good damage and reduces healing which effectively is damage itself depending on your enemies build but poison is harder to stack.

People are getting pretty worked up over the bunny ears haha. I personally would like the red glow eyes back and maybe another color? And some of the older skins, not costumes, that have been in the BL before. Also I LOVE the marjory axe and was hoping to see some more skins in her style.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

As soon as someone starts flaming you for no apparent reason, just block and move on. You can unblock him a few minutes later if you want, it’ll still stop him from flaming you.

I was mostly initially surprised at the fact that it came from no where and that I was the person he whispered. So I let him drone on. Haha

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

I don’t think there should be LOS on point at all. If you want to stall with LOS, fight off point and lose the cap. It’s just bad for the game.

I agree even thought it’s annoying when 3 rangers with long bows wanna just stand outside the point for 10 minutes. Funny part about that specific situation is that while they were trying to keep ranged pressure on a bunker with the ability to suddenly LoS them, their other two teammates died repeatedly to the rest of my team. Lol

sephiroth.4217:

Seifer Thalaen.7869:

Ppl whisper me bad things after match qq

Hey no need for that!

It’s a really serious issue here, salt was mailed!

Hahaha when I got the salt I went completely silent on Skype mid sentence and everyone was like… What’s going on? And I was like… “That guy…. Just sent 25 packets of salt..” And then we all died.

mistsim.2748:

this kind of discussion is moot imo. I mean, ive killed plenty of BAD d/d eles with my ranger as well. ive also killed good ones by +1’ing a fight. but GOOD d/d eles (pretty much all eles in the top mmr area) are a totally different story. and this is where you really notice how broken the thing is. theyre literally the best bunkers in the game, in addition to boasting huge burning damage and mobility. it’s totally broken, and as I said, discussing “how to kill d/d eles” is moot because knowing how is not an issue when every player in your game is extremely good.

When I say I’ve beat dd ele with ranger I’m not talking about +1. The Elementalist has to be the most telegraphed classes in the game right now. I have a harder time noticing rampage warriors until I’m being socked in the face for 5k a hit than I do knowing when ele is going to do anything. I only made mention of the bad ele I’ve fought in concession to statistics. I know when an ele is good and I would never claim a personal victory over any one class unless that fight was purely 1v1.

Don’t get me wrong, they are “OP” because of how much they can do with little effort in almost any roll. But they’re not as unbeatable as people like to spout in the forums.

I actually would just like a full statistical analysis of each of characters pvp combat history. I’m always recording so i can look back afterwards but it’d be much easier if part of that review process were in game.

Sekai.2987:

pepper.6179:

let them talk to themselves, idk what nerds these days have to rage about when its just a videogame

you dont have a competitive spirit do you ? like , its enough if you take part , no need to win ? there is nothing more that i hate then losing , doesnt matter if real life or a game , i rage if i loose a match because i have someone in my team dieing at svanir just like i rage when i loose a football match because someone made stupid plays

everyone(friends, family) says that i should just enjoy and have fun …. well i have fun when im winning

ps: most harcore raging is going on when i play mario kart, like… im in first place and then get kittened by the blue turtle….

Oh I hate losing, too. And my team (read: real life friends) aren’t quite the best pvpers ever. And we got destroyed. And the guy wanted to just rub it in I guess? I kept my cool, though. It was tough.

Vieux P.1238:

Block or do like me…. keep em in ur friends list & nick name em. So you can kill em laters in spvp. XD

This one. I choose you. Haha. I wrote his name on paper cause it errored when I tried to enter his name any where.

abc.5790:

@OP

Hey there. I’ve killed d/d eles with the class you’re playing now, mesmer. And I’ve also killed d/d eles with rampage warrior at its current state. d/d eles no problem with cele signet necro. you may think this is funny but I’ve killed d/d eles with a burn guard. it’s not fiction that i’ve killed d/d eles with a ranger.

but the funnest way to kill d/d eles is with a d/d ele and the reason i’m able to kill them with the classes above is because i know how to play one. im not very good, but understanding their attunements and CDs help a lot

This guy has got the answer. Play an ele and familiarize yourself with their cool downs. It’s the same in ANY pvp game you can play. You need to know what they have before you can counter it appropriately. I haven’t lost 1v1 against a dd cele ele yet as settlers condi ranger but I doubt I’ve fought the best. But I have played ele and I do understand their game plan.