Guild Wars 2

INB4 Dev shines light on truth.

I had a lot more trouble with burn guards than ele after patch but that’s just because I had to learn their skills and I never played guardian extensively before but I played ele a lot. Most L2P issues people are having can easily be remedied by playing 20 or so games as the class/build that keeps walking over you. Definitely helped me!

How does condi engi out perform in group fights compared to a trap survival ranger?
And why are rangers widely considered to be one of the best 1v1 classes in sPVP?

Exclude taunt. It isn’t as large as a factor as apparently 90% of the community thinks it is.

I’m genuinely curious because I’m not really well versed with engi and I rarely lose 1v1.

No hostility here, btw. I just want more information.

Bran.7425:

If the way they responded to the trait Most Dangerous Game is any indication the only over buffing we will see will come from gross programming errors due to how rushed it was coded.

And I’m sure the issue would be rectified post haste.

@Durzlla yeah that’s the same with me as well. In most games I’ve played if my class becomes OP I start playing the next most UP class. But I really like ranger still and Druid may revitalize that feeling even further. I’ve been pretty hyped about reaper and Druid because nec and ranger are my most played classes. I’m hoping Druid is enough to keep me on ranger over my tendencies to want to play heavy hitting melee classes. Haha

anduriell.6280:

Guys seriously, do you really play ranger? Are you reading after posting your comment?

The ones that keep telling themselves rangers has the best survivability in game stop playing kitten pewpew ranger from 1500 units and you will see how any skilled player with any class is a hard counter for the best ranger build.
You can get a tanky ranger, in a sense for a ranger because other classes get even tankier_, but will hit like a wet noddle. 1000 power and 500 condition damage (if any) will not take you anywhere but to steal stomps.

Listen to the reasonable and experienced rangers are saying here: Stop playing unranked PvP against noobs or Open world PvE and you will experience how subpar is the ranger.

I know most of the ranger is strong white knights here just play casual farming with this class and some random low level fractal/unranked PvP but please,
would you take this class seriously so we can concentrate in make the developers to fix it once for all?
will ya?

In my experience ranked and unranked matches have the same amount of good and bad players.

I’d actually say we have some of the best passive defenses and our active ways of defending ourselves are few and far between.

Also saying that any one thing is a hard counter to ranger is inaccurate since ranger is widely considered to be one of the best 1v1 classes in the game.

Nier.8741:

Sorry bro, Ranger never did take any skill even today.

Nothing hard about instant cast taunt or baiting cool downs and dodges with your pet.

Ranger is THE beginner class until they change how braindead evading while spamming attacks and getting carried by AI works.

Baiting dodges and evades isn’t skillful? That’s weird. Also I’ve never used taunt and I very rarely lose 1v1 and that’s where taunt is most effective. Also I’d have to say about 90% of the other rangers I run into are really bad… Which means that it isn’t as easy to play as most would assume. As in any class it takes time to master to intricacies and nuances of the playstyle you prefer. This is true for any class except maybe engi and thief right now because IMO they take the most knowledge and skill to play correctly and effectively.

Ranger being the “easy” class and also the class that most new players choose aren’t the same thing, either.

I’ve never felt like one of our problems was our base HP…

Also, I’ve used settlers since… Forever. It’s even better than it has ever been since spec patch.

Everyone in this sub forum understands the hardships of playing a ranger in any content type except solo pve and as a result we’ve been screaming for changes that are necessary and long overdue! The problem is… I don’t wanna be over-tuned!

I think I’ve play ranger for so long BECAUSE we were the underdogs and it felt sooooooooooo good to prove people wrong with your skill at out playing them or just surprising people with the fact that having a ranger instead of an engi or one ele in your meta group that knows what he’s doing isn’t going to impact your clear time as much as you think it would if at all.

That aside, I know changes are coming. This is truth. Whether they’re good or bad will remain to be seen. But here’s hope that we don’t get the ele treatment and become FotM because I already see too many kitten people playing ranger just cause people like bows and a dog following them around. (I know it’s selfish I don’t care what you think get off my lawn!! ^.^)

Cheers folks.

TLDR:
INB4 OPDRUIDTAUNTMESS

Vapour.7348:

So many bads in this thread it’s not even funny. I can counter a burn guard easily even if I’m not on my main (necro)

Bunker guards are a bigger pain than burn guards.

Burn engies have long cooldowns, and does little physical damage. Marauder or Soldier engies are a bigger threat.

Eles are not as easy to put down as the other 2 because they deal high physical damage, high condi damage, have good sustain and condi damage skills have short cool downs. That’s why they are generally disliked.

But burn damage is fine as it is.

You are not doing yourself a favor by posting on here how ignorant you are about cleansing one condition.

^^. Thanks guy!

If you really think about it, non-condi builds aren’t the only ones that have to bring cleanses to the fight if they don’t want to die from conditions…

Michael.9517:

players who refer to backstab are not players that should be even remotely taken seriously

Just an example. Don’t be mad.

Jackalrat.5493:

^
Player who utilizes fotm burning.

No, but seriously…120k damage in 42 hits? Holy hell. Nerfplz.

Yeah I guess all those awesome players standing inside of my fire trap and bonfire that can ONLY burn you if you stay put… I suppose I am. But I’ve been playing traps on ranger since the game launched because I like the playstyle and since it’s condition based and everyone is jumping on the “condi builds are OP” train I’m going to jump on the other train where everything seems alright that a pure condi build can kill you almost as easily as a pure damage build.

Everyone needs to just get used to actually having to worry about conditions now. Because it seems like that’s the direction they’re intending to go and that actually adds more dynamic to pvp for me.

Get used to the fact that if you die to burning you just need to get better at combating that style. It’s not impossible.

I’ve gotten three shot by a soldier rifle engineer… I gave the chick props. It was the first engi I ever fought that destroyed me so fast. Very well played. The main perk to engineer is that they have so many different tools available to then at any given moment. Also, most engi don’t run zerker.

So burning ticked 42 times? You let burning tick 42 times… I once got back stabbed for 9k unavoidable damage… How is that not worse?

Honestly guys, I think even if they nerf burning it won’t be by much and it might just be in how often it’s applied by some skills.

Burn guards stack a bunch of burning and then block. That’s like… It. I also see people make the argument that what if you had two burn guards on you… Well i don’t think that’d be much different than having two thieves or Mesmers on you, honestly. Or kitten two interrupting kitten-hole warriors spamming hammer skills lol.

CandyHearts.6025:

TheRandomGuy.7246:

Wut is this thread about? I don’t LA much. Anet added kids that yell “Vote for Trump” or something?

LOL! Died a little.

You’d actually think that based on the subject title.
I never realized sexual preferences = politics.

Or that religious view = politics. Television is misleading.

Here’s another religious person unnecessarily bringing their “issues” to light without respect for the people whom it doesn’t affect. You are the minority, sorry. This world is becoming more tolerant by the year and you’re being left behind. Letting small, inconsequential things bother you is a quick way to a shortened life, my friend.

What if they did something like:

Assit Kills: rewarded for assisting in finishing off players already in combat.

Defense Points: rewarded based on time while in combat while defending a point.

I think masteries will help you. And the map specific dailies HoT will bring.

I don’t even use taunt. Remove it. It will literally make no difference. It’s 2s long at best. I fail to see how taunt would change the out come of a battle that you didn’t already have a disadvantage in.

Please, someone, for the love of all that is great and good, describe a situation where taunt was the reason you got destroyed that stun couldn’t have functionally filled that same purpose. I just… Need to hear a story.

It’s just a matter of time, really.

coso.9173:

I love that the focus of the game is not in endless grinding and upgrading stuff. I come from another game that to get the best equipment you now need to either spend aprox 8000$ or play for 4 years the current content (only dungeons, skirmishes and PVP) for about 4 years to get it. There’s also nothing that rewards exploration,. it’s basically become grind and refine online. Like a sad, expensive facebook game.
So I’m glad to see GW2 is different, it has exploration, jumping puzzles, a great story arc , and getting the best equipment isn’t the final focus of the game, and even doing that is not that long or expensive.

…Archeage? Lol

kitten y Jerky.8462:

I didn’t read your post…just answering the question from my pov….

I main a Necro. 10 out of 10 times, I’m fighting in close and want to. I can’t stand the Ranger that just wants to pew pew from far away and keeps backing up. I understand strategy but spamming the # idk key only and that’s it is very lame. Typically, that person doesn’t kill me. I close the gap and stomp. It’s when you get 3-4 Rangers teaming up to cheese a fight.
m2c

For me it’s when a ranger +1s from a ledge off point.

I took this as a compliment for the Engi community… I honestly couldn’t tell my butt from kitten in the ground with engi but from what I’ve seen they are very nasty opponents when played well… And it’s VERY easy to tell when they are. haha

More so bunker but I’m using this 90% of the time.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQRAsf3YjMqQLL2uCmrAVLGYEKf0HhTvH3aNE4C4yDgCOVB-TZhAwArLD45hAAb/hOHBAAnAAA

I’m still pumped. And I’m actually pretty excited for engineer too. My second oldest char is an engi and she is also my least played. Maybe this will rekindle my initial love? Idk. But I KNOW Druid will be great even if it’s bad because it’s new and ranger feels like it has had the most stale gameplay for ages now.

Raises Glass
Here’s to my most played class, Ranger!

Cheers!

Really wish people would describe the scenario where Taunt completely destroys them… Like, i can only think of a handful of situations that would facilitate a death because of taunt. And in most situations it involves a +1.

I’ve fought so so many bad rangers. More than any other class. Which would lead me to believe the class has a higher skill cap than some would assume.

Top players don’t scoff at rangers because they’re inherently easy to pick up or that “noobs generally play them.” If anything they scoff at a team comp involving a ranger because they know that team will be underperforming regardless of skill level because that spot could have been filled with another class with a more appropriate spec for the match.

Good players and good pvpers SHOULD be able to pick up ANY class and play it effectively because the nature of these types of games is to have as much information as possible about what you play against and the BEST way to gain that knowledge is to learn each class.

robertul.3679:

Haha that packets of salt mail is so hilarious and original! I never thought of that! Good one OP!
Assuming you play power ranger, you should absolutely almost never stand on point. If however you were condi/“guard”, then yes.

I think it’s becoming a thing. I had salt mailed to me as well at one point lol. It’s definitely more comical than offensive in my opinion. Haha

Dahkeus.8243:

ragnarokda.1805:

Traited healing spring with settlers is stronk in team fights.

Yea, it’s almost like you’re a Cele D/D ele for an instant every 24 seconds!

Yes but it has a 10s duration and pulses every 2s for a regen and a cleanse. Not to mention it’s a water field. I don’t even slot this out when I’m not running traps. I’m in love with it.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Vague Memory.2817:

Even before the big (so called) balance changes, pugging against a condi team is very difficult, and from matches I’ve played would tend to win mid, and the match. After the balance changes I found this to be even more true. Being able to plaster a point with huge lingering aoe condition fields definitely gives an advantage to that team. There is just no way you can cleanse multiple conditions that are constantly being reapplied. So you have to fight off point or try and tag their home point.

If they’re plastering the point with AoE condition fields, go cap the other two points. There are only two of those fields with any strong uptime (Combustive Shot and Corrosive Poison Cloud) and only one of those is any good. So if you can’t avoid the pulsing condis, it’s because the majority of their team is sitting on that one point. So go cap the other two.

In his defense bonfire lasts like forever and there can be other lingering hidden fields in there as well.

Traited healing spring with settlers is stronk in team fights.

Melanion.4892:

I think the point is that we didn’t use the sales. Of the GW2 players willing and able to buy items from the gem store, I’m sure a number didn’t actually buy anything because we were disappointed by what was actually on sale. I could sell a literal pile of garbage for 50% off and NOBODY WOULD BUY IT.

My girlfriend would buy your garbage if it were on sale. I’m absolutely sure of it…. As long as it was on sale, that is.

While I do think there should be a title for that… That one just isn’t noticeable enough.

MEGA CHAMPION BAMF

I think it had a nice ring to it and I would totally sport that.

runeblade.7514:

UmbraNoctis.1907:

runeblade.7514:

Elementalist don’t have the lockdown + burst.

They have high pressure, high sustain. But they cannot 100-0 in a few seconds.

Fresh Air says “hi”.

What about Fresh Air? Its not even viable anymore.

Fresh air is also a build that requires a target. Stealth and clones are incredibly debilitating to FA.

Supreme.3164:

Saiyan.1704:

Actually, Burn Guardiams turned from passive play to active play. The playstyles between prepatch and current are like night an day, it’s really unreal.

Burns on Ele have been the center point of “Burns are OP” rants. For every one burn guard complaint, there are 3 Ele Burn complaints.

To reiterate, Burn Guardians is a very active playstyle, on par with Power Guardian builds with the exception that Burn Guardians having more combos to follow up on.

• Whirling Wrath in Purging Flames
• Leap in Purging Flames
• Not engaging immediately for fear of condi cleanses
• Should I save PF for team or self condi cleanses?
• Choosing proper targets to burst, such as Engi, Thief, Mesmer, and hoping a Ranger’s pet is near them /evilaugh
• Shout cleansing Guardian, hope he kneels down that downed ally so I can cleave them both. I’ll save my GS#2.
• kitten a signet necro!?

Tell me, exactly where is the smart Ele play rotations?

• Pulling off burning speed and spaming RoF
• Landing blast finishers in fire fields
• Don’t attune back in Water unless you need heals, or condi clease
• Spam dodge rolls but preferably in fire for burms
• Blink!
• Fiery Greatsword!
• I’ll be back in a minute when my health regens. Oh wait, i’m on the otherside of map i’ll decap this node.

I’m not saying the class is easy, it’s just clock work with little to no counterplay when fighting the Ele. The definition of low risk high reward.

And where is the guardian “smart play” when facing anything on ele that’s not d/d?
To faceroll all other ele builds on your burn guardian is fine, it’s balanced isn’kitten

There are not a plethora of playstyles out there you either have stealth and can burst…or you have sustain and win through attrition, GW2 is a casual game, very easy to play and execute so stop talking about skill…it’s pointless

Your guardian is very easy to use so stop the fairytale : meditation, blocks, healing, boon upkeep…90% of it is instant cast, drop your skill talk already

It doesn’t take a degree to use any class in this game, anybody can make a burn guardian and do good after 1 hour, anybody can run a double elixir S engi + gearshield, anybody can run a PU shatter mesmer, anybody can run a d/p thief etc etc.

Stop already with all the ridiculous talk about “timing”, everybody and his dog needs to TIME their skills to get the desired effect, do you really believe that anybody with a couple of brain cells thinks that an ele press button randomly, without even looking at the screen and win?

Timing…pfff…you can macro 90% of current meta PvP builds in this game, a game made for 12+ kids…people spit vitriol about skill…so ridiculous

Super smash bro pros, retro game speed runners and people who play fighting games for money. Now THOSE are some skilled players. This game and many other like it are about situational awareness and an understanding of your personal and class limitations. Once you are familiar with those facets of the game the rest is all about how much effort you feel like putting forth in that moment.

People do like to pretend that that is in fact exactly how ele win fights lol.

Lol @ the people who are trying actively to convince everyone that it’s “skill-less” to play condi builds. The fact of the matter it’s easier to kill you scrubby power builds because you’re not used to having to care about condi damage. Condi builds LITERALLY have the same kitten weakness as power builds to conditions if they don’t slot skills for it… Guess what? I played condi and I very very rarely die to conditions. It is a L2B (learn to build) issue. Accommodate for the builds you see. Stop crying because zerker isn’t the only way to kill someone now.

zapv.8051:

ragnarokda.1805:

zapv.8051:

If you think condi ranger, condi mes, condi engi, condi guard, condi war, condi necro, or condi ele are a problem you need to l2p. No one good runs any of those builds with the possible exception of condi guard, and even that is at best balanced and realistically still pretty easy to counter.

I wouldn’t say I’m the best but I’m definitely good and I play condi ranger. Saying that no one good plays those builds is kind of extreme since I frequently encounter burn guards, condi mes and condi engi.

I apologize for insulting you. Let me rephrase my original statement. No one really really good plays any of the condi builds except condi guard in a competitive environment.

I think top players don’t use heavy condi pressure because good teams can counter that type of dmg very easily. I think to a top play burst condi builds are more forgiving because if you mess up and don’t evade crucial condi burst skills then you can rely on a cleanse. A lot more forgiving than being Insta gibbed by power burst.

Condition pressure is just has more counter play in a high skill cap environment and in un ranked and ranked matches typically people won’t be that coordinated.

That has happened to me more times than I care to admit. Lol

We really do need a match history statistic page. Maybe last 10 matches and you view everyone’s personal performance from this matches?

I like to buy cultural weapon skins with my extra karma. They’re like 62000 a piece so there are lots to collect.

Another thread was suggesting an icon outline that is different if you’ve unlocked the skin.

zapv.8051:

If you think condi ranger, condi mes, condi engi, condi guard, condi war, condi necro, or condi ele are a problem you need to l2p. No one good runs any of those builds with the possible exception of condi guard, and even that is at best balanced and realistically still pretty easy to counter.

I wouldn’t say I’m the best but I’m definitely good and I play condi ranger. Saying that no one good plays those builds is kind of extreme since I frequently encounter burn guards, condi mes and condi engi.

style.6173:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Exedore.6320:

When you have to ban about half the builds in the game, that’s saying something…

Yes, it’s saying that half the builds in the game are sustain builds and would make the tournament unnecessarily long.

Except that spike burn builds drop people faster than zerker. The better reason for not allowing them is that it is way too easy to play at the moment. Kinda like a turret engi.

Wrong.

Anet hire this guy to regulate ranger please!

+1

Yes please. I want those guaranteed buffed 16-20k crits from my pet all the time.

+1

Another +1 from me and a bump because ranger deserves it.

I like these changes. +1

Soldier/trooper runes will thank you as well, haha.

nacario.9417:

Or perhaps said warrior just wanted to cap that node fast? Thats what wins games anyway, dont see anything wrong in classes using what they have at their disposal :P

Yeah On point sure. I totally agree with scaring people away to decap. But in most scenarios they use it to chase me down. Not saying all warriors are bad in any way.

kdaddy.5431:

UmbraNoctis.1907:

kdaddy.5431:

There is literally no reason atm to run a dps character except on thief or mesmer. Rangers and warriors are not legit options on higher tier play teams and the rest is sustain with minimal damage from condi. thats the game at the moment.

There is literally no reason atm to run a condi charakter except on … uhm … guard maybe?

Burn guardians/trap rangers/ some venom sharing thiefs and some mesmers.

I would say cele players get everything but what makes them so strong is the ability to stack might and apply condi dmg. You look at d/d eles who can apply 3-8 stacks of burn with 20 stacks of might. Thats basically the same as a pure condi burn guardian that can apply 4-6 stacks but he doesnt have the defensive skills or dps burst abilities. Cele necros as well have the ability to have 15 stacks of might and apply bleeding/psn/chill/ etc.

I like burn guardians atm. Maybe a slight lowering of burn dmg simply cause there can be bursted down easily. Trap rangers arent really a huge thing simply because bleeds and psn stacks dont do nearly as burns/confusions/torment.

Back to the point though, if you watch the AG/ESL tourneys any dps player is always tag teamed with a bunker and simply put every team usually has 2 d/d eles. Your seeing some rangers but you can see 1 match there a big help and the next utterly useless. You can though see condi mesmers/thieves/guardians far more often tried in these tourneys because its easier for these builds to survive and apply dmg.

I have an easier time applying burns than bleeds and poison consistently in sPVP as trap ranger. While bleed is clearly meant to be our top damage condi, it just kills too slowly even at high stacks. Additionally with all of my evades it’s fairly easy to hold a point 1v2 for a long duration and apply a lot of area pressure while I do it. I think my worst match up is trying to decap a point from DD ele because if they’re played well we basically stalemate until I get +1’d.

Idk, I’ve never felt particularly useless…. But maybe I just haven’t been in that scenario yet?

Nier.8741:

A ranger complaining about burns? You could’ve took the condi cleanse Signet. You could’ve used Lyssa and you wouldn’t really lose out on damage.

Ranger has NO RIGHT to complain about anything, this class is easy and effective. It just isn’t as strong because ITS NOT HARD to play a ranger.

You can’t complain about burning even from d/d ele and even though d/d ele’s burning deserves to get nerfed.

Lol I never lose to rangers and I play ranger. Which would suggest there are varying levels of play to them just like any other class.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

It is pretty boring to fight condition specs. They have terrible ramp up times. If they do manage to actually get any conditions on you you can negate 100% of their damage with a single button, and then you just burst them down in 2-3 seconds while they can do nothing to stop you.

The exception being burn guardians who have pretty good burst, but a single condition transfer makes them melt like a snowball in hell. Not all that exciting, but pretty funny to watch.

Hopefully the devs make conditions more rewarding for their complicated rotations, and long ramp up times.

There are condition specs that include counter play skills as well. Heh. But I get what you’re saying. I 99% play condi and I have maybe died to condi once and that was because I was relying on a bunker guard to cleanse me and it didn’t happen… Hahah

Tell me about it. At this point I’m not sure what I expect but maybe something unique? I’m holding on to hope for the final day. Maybe a blow out sale. I will break my piggy bank!