Christ, this is what happens when the roamers leave. People start actually saying YB is stronger in open field than Mag. Whoever is left, you need to step it up. YB shouldn’t even be mentioned in discussions of open field fighting unless the question is who is the worst, and if people are going so far as to say they’re better than Mag, there’s a serious problem.
You have a memory problem, they did it all the time when you still did WvW
I find it hilarious that the players from Maguuma on this forum can’t accept the fact that one person believes Yaks Bend is a stronger server than them.
Someone wanted to stir up crap, and they did. And we are not the only ones that found it irresistible to chime in…
1. In the history of Mags vs Yaks, Yaks have beaten Maguuma more times than you have beat Yaks.
Stripping out the context that most of the time you fought Maguuma, you also fought Ehmry Bay, and we were at each others throats the entire time, yes, you won. I don’t even see how this is relevant. One of the biggest factors in WvW victories isn’t even skill, it’s population, and that immediately discards this part of the history as irrelevant.
Ah yes…..an all out aggressive, aggressive attitude is so much better and smart too…..WTG!
This is literally you: wah wah golems are overpowered and maguuma is filled with spoiled kids with super rich parents omg they have such an advantage just because they have so much money irl!!
Fun fact, we took your garrison with one golem and a couple rams during NA prime time. How’s that for a poor man’s assault?
A lot of things may have happened since your last encounter.
Read my previous reply and you’ll see that I don’t think either server is the same, and I don’t give a crap about people’s anecdote-based predictions. There were lots of mixups back then when free transfers were ending and kitten a ton of people from IoJ, however, and to my knowledge Yak’s Bend got little to no transfers. So think of it like that.
Sure they do, we have weekly JP events and give all blue prints to commanders. Our guild members donate coin and mats to build superior siege. We use influence for guild siege…..but we don’t have even a fraction of what we have seen from MAG…you have so many you can let 20 de-spawn and then just build 20 more….maybe it is just the additional population….but I would guess someone is also spending a lot of RL coin to keep that stock of golem.
It would be nice if you didn’t make passive aggressive statements about us based on your guesses. There are people that are really good at playing the TP. Clearly you aren’t one of them (and for the record, neither am I)
LOL " passive aggressive " ??
OK, less “passive” Having that many golem no matter how you got them is stupid and OP. golem should be subject to the same restrictions as other siege. I can only place a certain amount of defensive siege to counter your golem, but you can send in as many of your “TP profit purchased” golem as you want?
I agree it’s stupid, just like your attitude.
Well, can’t argue with a guy who closed his mind. I’ll always welcome you guys back in tier 4 with open arms.
Closed my mind? You are the one that has formed a conclusion about the relative strengths about our two servers. I have made no such conclusions.
Yes, your server isn’t as strong as the YB we’ve fought previously. That is my conclusion. You need not adhere to it. ^.^
I’m not, and somehow that makes me close minded. Unless you were calling yourself close minded, which makes a lot more sense.
A lot of things may have happened since your last encounter.
Read my previous reply and you’ll see that I don’t think either server is the same, and I don’t give a crap about people’s anecdote-based predictions. There were lots of mixups back then when free transfers were ending and kitten a ton of people from IoJ, however, and to my knowledge Yak’s Bend got little to no transfers. So think of it like that.
Sure they do, we have weekly JP events and give all blue prints to commanders. Our guild members donate coin and mats to build superior siege. We use influence for guild siege…..but we don’t have even a fraction of what we have seen from MAG…you have so many you can let 20 de-spawn and then just build 20 more….maybe it is just the additional population….but I would guess someone is also spending a lot of RL coin to keep that stock of golem.
It would be nice if you didn’t make passive aggressive statements about us based on your guesses. There are people that are really good at playing the TP. Clearly you aren’t one of them (and for the record, neither am I)
LOL " passive aggressive " ??
OK, less “passive” Having that many golem no matter how you got them is stupid and OP. golem should be subject to the same restrictions as other siege. I can only place a certain amount of defensive siege to counter your golem, but you can send in as many of your “TP profit purchased” golem as you want?
I agree it’s stupid, just like your attitude.
Well, can’t argue with a guy who closed his mind. I’ll always welcome you guys back in tier 4 with open arms.
Closed my mind? You are the one that has formed a conclusion about the relative strengths about our two servers. I have made no such conclusions.
It’s weird that we’ve both faced yaks bend, because you seem to be describing a different server.
You faced YB’s the week after you got bandwagoned with free transfers lolololol, after that we have never faced each other.
Btw, that “dying server” is outranking Maguuma by 4 k aprox, and guess what, they rampage like mad man on SEA/Oceanic/EU timeslots, so YB can’t stop them from earn points. Yak’s Bend at tier 3 on this timeslots is aprox at 0 PPT, it’s our 500+ ppt at NA primetime what hold us.
Also we’re a completely different server now than we were months ago on that matchup with Maguuma, and also a lot more stronger than the last time we faced Crystal Desert at tier 4.
I hope to see Maguuma at tier 3 soon, so we can have fun at NA primetime, and let Dragonbrand to fight against doors on the nights.
We have a long, long history with YB that predates that single match. But yes, I’m sure both of our servers have changed since then. Your comparison of our rating points is a stupid one to make though, as has already been pointed out many times. And it also seems DB has held higher points than you in previous matches, even in NA prime time, when the weekdays roll around.
Yes, until last week our battle was for 2nd place, so we focus mainly on SoS, sadly for you guys that wasn’t free points, since Tsym everyday runs with like 60+ crushing everything, if you guys had some problems against the [BT] guild at FA, Tsym is a nightmare then.
This week we did some efforts to score 500+ ppt until our second place was sealed, and now it is, so no more efforts coming from us until next week, where we hope you guys come up.
We did pretty well against BT when we could muster the proper organization. And sorry, I didn’t mean “free” as in no effort, I just meant it was a lot easier to get points from SoS since they’re a falling server. It has nothing to do with how hard either server plays, just that their rating and population are out of sync.
A lot of things may have happened since your last encounter.
Read my previous reply and you’ll see that I don’t think either server is the same, and I don’t give a crap about people’s anecdote-based predictions. There were lots of mixups back then when free transfers were ending and kitten a ton of people from IoJ, however, and to my knowledge Yak’s Bend got little to no transfers. So think of it like that.
Sure they do, we have weekly JP events and give all blue prints to commanders. Our guild members donate coin and mats to build superior siege. We use influence for guild siege…..but we don’t have even a fraction of what we have seen from MAG…you have so many you can let 20 de-spawn and then just build 20 more….maybe it is just the additional population….but I would guess someone is also spending a lot of RL coin to keep that stock of golem.
It would be nice if you didn’t make passive aggressive statements about us based on your guesses. There are people that are really good at playing the TP. Clearly you aren’t one of them (and for the record, neither am I)
LOL " passive aggressive " ??
OK, less “passive” Having that many golem no matter how you got them is stupid and OP. golem should be subject to the same restrictions as other siege. I can only place a certain amount of defensive siege to counter your golem, but you can send in as many of your “TP profit purchased” golem as you want?
It’s weird that we’ve both faced yaks bend, because you seem to be describing a different server.
You faced YB’s the week after you got bandwagoned with free transfers lolololol, after that we have never faced each other.
Btw, that “dying server” is outranking Maguuma by 4 k aprox, and guess what, they rampage like mad man on SEA/Oceanic/EU timeslots, so YB can’t stop them from earn points. Yak’s Bend at tier 3 on this timeslots is aprox at 0 PPT, it’s our 500+ ppt at NA primetime what hold us.
Also we’re a completely different server now than we were months ago on that matchup with Maguuma, and also a lot more stronger than the last time we faced Crystal Desert at tier 4.
I hope to see Maguuma at tier 3 soon, so we can have fun at NA primetime, and let Dragonbrand to fight against doors on the nights.
We have a long, long history with YB that predates that single match. But yes, I’m sure both of our servers have changed since then. Your comparison of our rating points is a stupid one to make though, as has already been pointed out many times. And it also seems DB has held higher points than you in previous matches, even in NA prime time, when the weekdays roll around.
We beat them down every night during primetime, but where they gain back is off hours, not much we can do with no people then. Still, have them at -60 drop for this week, that’s big. Mag just +15 on the other end so far.
It’s almost as if it’s harder for a green server to get more rating points than a red server. O_O
Have you ever fought anything outside of our night crew? If not, I’m not surprised you would come to that conclusion. But yeah, even the T3 thread just pointed out that the CL guild is basically free loot bags.
Yes, I don’t base this on Nightcrew. Yak’s bend Nightcrew is a little bit weaker than your guys. But their NA crew is strong/consistent. Just saying after having fought you guys for some time now.
:3
Guess we’ll see. If our fairweathers stay for T3 I think we’ll poop all over them. Last time we fought them we definitely did, but that was in T4. Our queues have died a bit since then. We also won our last match with YB and DB, but it was a close match and during the holiday season. I don’t really care if we win or lose as long as they don’t run away from open field fights.
Have you ever fought anything outside of our night crew? If not, I’m not surprised you would come to that conclusion. But yeah, even the T3 thread just pointed out that the CL guild is basically free loot bags.
Sure they do, we have weekly JP events and give all blue prints to commanders. Our guild members donate coin and mats to build superior siege. We use influence for guild siege…..but we don’t have even a fraction of what we have seen from MAG…you have so many you can let 20 de-spawn and then just build 20 more….maybe it is just the additional population….but I would guess someone is also spending a lot of RL coin to keep that stock of golem.
It would be nice if you didn’t make passive aggressive statements about us based on your guesses. There are people that are really good at playing the TP. Clearly you aren’t one of them (and for the record, neither am I)
Well as for me and a few friends and guildies, we were trying our best to be a pain in your Yak on MAG BL.
Our 5-7 man havoc had some small successes and a good time…..we held our own, and it seemed to take many more of you to deal with us most of the time.
Did you feel any pain in your Yak? =)
I don’t ever recall seeing a 7 man, but yeah, SBI outplayed us last night on Mag. Our commander wasn’t very happy. People weren’t listening and we were doing pretty badly in open field. Didn’t stop me from collecting badges when I got mad and on my ele, but tactically you beat us for quite awhile.
We didn’t expect to drop to tier 5 and make you mad again. If I remember correctly, you were the FIRST person to ever write a post about us about “OP builds”. Now that I think about it, I shouldn’t get so defensive. Your mad is making me happy now.
So you’ve made two servers drop in Tier? that’s some bad mojo following you around.
Yeah, Kinda sad that mag is letting them do that. Anyways. Fun.
Sorry, letting? SBI has a buttload of people on our borderlands so we can’t push on CD. The only reason we’re on SBI is because the people designated to SBI BL were the only successful BL push. The ones that were on CD were recalled because of heavy pressure on our BL.
Hi one thing I like to metion between CD and MaG.
I saw a guild known as NtSD or something similar to that name of the guild.
Which I found out that they are in both CD and MaG and also when SBI ppl were fight over the AP in EB BL. CD attacked us from the behind and after that the Mag attacked us. So seems like you guys are working together on WvW…
I am pretty sure NtSD are mainly in CD because I saw more on CD than MAG.
So here is my question.. CD are you that desperate to get to the second place?
I just wanted to play fair that’s all it is not that I am blaming all of CD who plays fair
I just dont like certain guild who are trying to ruin your reputation.
You should probably quit posting on WvW forums if this is how you usually post. The argument is ludicrously bad. And NtSD? lol
Really? You are going to to flame a second language English speaker for a very understandable argument that the 3rd place server should focus the 1st place server with the 2nd place server to help balance as was intended? And what??… He got the guild tag wrong and that is ludicrous?
I would like to see how ludicrous you would sound trying to post in Korean……oh you can’t?….kinda makes Frozen way ahead of you in the communication in multiple languages area…huh?
He said the argument was ludicrous, not his English. Nice job reading into it, though. Nobody on Mag knows who “NtSD” is and even if this one guild is on two servers, it doesn’t mean anything.
Earlier this week Maguuma came into SBI BL and took garrison. This particular event, there were somewhere between 10 and 15 SBI defending and what appeared to be 30 to 40 goombas (affectionate term) attacking. The attack came from the SW outer gate, and into the west inner gate. We (SBI) took out a good chunk of the attacking zerg, at various choke points, but we were still overwhelmed in the end, and mag got in and up onto the roof near the vista.
I was the underleveled shortbow thief that was shooting at the cieling chasing the masses of red tags I could see up there.
Someone from Maguuma tried to party with me. I didn’t accept at the time, because we were in the middle of defending the garrison, but they stopped trying to party after the fight was over when I would have been happy to party up to talk. Not sure if this was an attempt at talking (hey, got some tips for you… or you suck, just give up on WvW… etc) or if this was an attempt to track me. If it was to talk (even to tell me to give up) I’d still like to know what you wanted if that was you. If it was just to track me, sorry I didn’t accept, but that’s why I don’t do cross-server party during a fight…
The Mag person probably doesn’t read these forums, but thought I’d toss it out there anyway.
The invites probably stopped because you can’t select people to invite when they’re dead :\
Seen the guild [War] on Mag before, just not all the time! Also looking for any kind of open field ground practise for my guild, around 15v15 to whatever number both sides can bring during SEA night timezone would be great! We’d love to practise our open ground! Drop me a pm/mail!
Ah someone brought up my name. That’s sooo cute that it makes me chuckle. Please continue with the chest thumping on all sides. I am entertained. Poor Mag is all big and bad when they outnumber peeps, then completely fall apart when they move up a tier and have to face equal or more numbers on a nightly basis. If any of you wanna check the threads while they are in tier 3, I am sure it will tickle your fancy.
Skill lag is what happens when the server cannot respond to what the client is asking it to do because the server and the server side network are overloaded … i.e., trying to do too many things in a short period of time. Skill lag is NOT … I repeat, NOT … a client side CPU issue. My computer is a water cooled 3770K/GTX680/SSD/16gig-1866MHz box running Win7-64 and I can get ability lag even in Tier 5. Wanna know how? ANet uses a merged server system to share server capacity for WvW (if you search about you’ll find a video where they explain that). When a big fight breaks out in T1 it can take some time for the merged servers to dynamically redistribute capacity to compensate, and when it does that there is a ripple effect elsewhere.
It’s pure BS when Habib says that skill lag and culling are independent. Culling was put in place to minimize skill lag in high demand situations (lots of stuff for the servers to process). It IS true that culling can be turned off like a switch (where skill lag cannot) and it IS true that client side rendering can be improved via the measures that ANet has described so that when culling is removed toasters can still give decent results, but the root cause of skill lag is lack of server side data handling capacity … and that’s the real reason culling was instituted in the first place. They are NOT totally separate topics.
I did not mean to say skill lag was because of a client CPU overload, and neither did Habib. I meant skill lag was a server CPU load issue, exactly like Habib said. Culling was meant to solve a server network bandwidth issue, not a server computation bandwidth issue. So yes, they absolutely require fundamentally different solutions. You can throw more bandwidth to solve the network capacity essentially without a problem, but you can’t necessarily increase server compute capacity without a problem.
I really don’t understand why people just like to assume the devs are all malicious beings that lie at will just to sound better. Really? I’m pretty sure they know more about the internal workings of the game than you do. But maybe I’m wrong.
Is it called ECHO cause you repeat the same kitten that he said? Should be called FOTM or BOTM or better yet ABOTM. If you figure that out let me KNOW KNOw KNow Know know…..
See what I did there?
Because of the game? Nope, never. I just like to find the egos and troll them.
You can’t troll people when your personal skill level is that of t8 sir. Perhaps you would like to vacation to FC or ET for the week, I feel they might be more suited to your level.
Really very interesting as I have barely been able to play this week. Nice troll. t8 Zerg some more.
I should clarify here again that the culling fix will have minimal impact on skill lag. Skill lag happens because the server is too busy to process everything that’s happening (e.g. it’s at 100% CPU). The removal of culling addresses issues experienced by the client but those changes don’t really impact the skill lag situation. They are fundamentally different problems that will need different solutions.
Sorry, but this just doesn’t sound right. One of your earlier posts even states that culling was instituted to avoid server-side overload, and that would make sense. I don’t believe for a second that lag and culling are independent issues. Culling was only partially a client side crutch for underpowered computers … it was primarily put in place to regulate how much data the server had to process and force feed through the pipeline. The server doesn’t even really know whether something has rendered yet client side, but it does know when it is getting bogged down trying to process too much data internally.
If lag still exists after you drop culling it’s either because your game engine is too limited and you don’t have the resources to fix it, or you backed off on your earlier promise to buy whatever bandwidth you needed to fix the problem.
In any case, it’s pretty clear that we’re being BS’d here.
Eh? Culling was partly for older computers, which the default models should have solved. The other part of culling was a network issue, not a CPU issue, unlike the skill lag. Why does that sound like BS? Just because it’s called skill “lag” doesn’t mean it’s a network issue.
It’s all those kitten 50+ YB/DB combo zergs man. Follow the trail of tears to the SoS spawn point. Or at least that’s what they would have you believe.
I’m also convinced that every server has a [WAR] WvW guild except ours. We did have one, but they were annexed. Keeping up with all the different [WAR]s is starting to get difficult.
WAR and GOD/S. Cuz you know, Guild Wars is all about war and everyone is gods at PvP.
You guys can still hold a quarter of the pie despite all of that, which is more than what we can say in T3 without our fairweathers and morale. So you are better than the evil Mazergma.
Yeah the culling in SBI BL was horrendous and along with the lag. I don’t know if it had to do with the map crashing earlier but was the worst I had seen in a long while. EB with many more numbers had little culling or lag for me. And double teaming happens nightly in W3, so it should almost be expected.
I don’t think so. We had as many people in Mumble last night as we normally do on reset, and a large chunk of those were in SBI BL. I think it peaked in the 70s for just the borderlands and most of them were probably there to be in the zerg. Mazergma.
So SBI and CD were both getting double teamed? You definitely had a big zerg in SBI…it even queued for awhile. I left shortly after entering because the same team culling was so bad. No other night did I have the problem of the commander culling out ten feet away.
There’s little doubt that we’ve outnumbered your [SBI]-led group a lot of the time (especially tonight, from the sounds of it), but it definitely didn’t look like it all of the time. The most distinct instance in my mind was when we came up our east keep road to engage since you were at our north gate and we knew there were a lot of you, but a bunch of you just disappeared one way or another. I doubt the numbers situation will get better as the week progresses, unfortunately (we had more in our BL zerg today than the weekends, oddly enough). But yeah, despite that instance and any others I wasn’t there for, you guys put up good fights during the weekend, and I’m happy for it.
eh, i’ll just bow out of this conversation and continue to farm badges with this totally balanced tactic easily countered by pug zergs. no point in two brick walls arguing with each other
eh, i’ll just bow out of this conversation and continue to farm badges with this totally balanced tactic easily countered by pug zergs. no point in two brick walls arguing with each other
[ECHO] Is bad. Everyone knows this. Our leader likes to remind us every day. No biggie. There is just so many jimmies being rustled in this thread… But I can rustle my own Jimmies because it feels so nice.
How bad can you really be with a roster that looks mostly like 90% mesmers & Eles?
That’s cute considering we only run with maybe 2 mesmers and 2 ele’s max… not sure where this 90% is from
it is not that I am blaming all of CD who plays fair 
