Guild Wars 2

i think in order to rebalance what is lost either reajust confusion dmg(maybe instead of the 50 percent 20-30 percent) or adjust for example that glamskills inflict some burning or bleeding instead of confusion or just something to fix the double nerf we got. blinding befuddlement would already nerf glam builds and so confusion didnt need to be nerfed that much anyways if it needed it.

yeah the lag was terrible and every time an enemy stormed into a keep i’d dc right away

katniss.6735:

Arrow Carts are to be used by Elementalists now that Elementalists can’t do anything.

In all seriousness though, you shouldn’t get the increased damage in arrow carts from just the patch. You should have to train to get it to that amount.

Normal Arrow Cart with 0 points in mastery
Pre-patch avg. damage: 600
Post-patch avg. damage: 1k-1200.
Carts that go the same distance as a cata is OP, too.
Carts, the cheapest piece of siege (along with the ram), have better mastery bonuses than all of the others. And you thought ballistas were OP (they are, too.)

Make them scale to player power. These siege are way out of sync with pvp.

haha yeah it’s wayy over the top..i always get tons of laughs in ts when someone attacks 1 of our keeps and we have 3 superior ac’s up.

trying out some power builds atm, but it’s only working for me vs small groups which wvw is not.they also fixed staff clone and sharper images yesterday, but the condition coming from there is not useful in groups either…in spvp could sure make a difference though.confusion needs a buff again as still many many builds are all around confusion..

oh like your latest one.discussing the good and bad points of the changes was very insightful for me.

well it’s nice to see that they fixed this, but still feels like they wanna just throw us a little bone as they know they hurt condition mesmers really badly….well my point still stands and confusion was way over nerfed, but thanks for the little fix.

omg that worked.ty for this!

Iruwen.3164:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Fix-most-broken-autoattack-in-game/first#post1947626
So guardians get it fixed? We should cry more, maybe they’ll fix it for us too.

yeah they need to realize that the 50 percent less confusion hurt our scepter really badly.

the problem with the siege despawning is that the timers are wayy too short. let’s say i wanna build a supererior ac but we are upgrading, so i go to a camp…camp is under attack u repel them and arrowcart is gone… building a treb is really hard as it constantly despawns.

Also the timers in keeps for arrow cart are way too short anyways. what if u go retake a keep u wont be refreshing siege every 30 min u might even forget as taking a keep takes long…meanwhile someone goes to attack your garrison watergate..u head back and all ac’s are gone..arrowcart should last 1hour

yeah its terrible i got stuck on an arrow cart and couldnt wp or leave during a fight at inner keep.

Jong.5937:

Confirm this bug with my ranger. like the “cannot drop bundles” bug this is an absolute disaster during a tower attack! I just stand there taking AoE with skills doing nothing! It is NOT skill lag. Skill icon does not flash, never triggers, never does anything until you find a “suitable” different location. Even moving along wall often not always solve.

Seems to be since 30th Apr patch.

yeah had the cannot drop bundles when i was refreshing an arrowcart in a keep inner and got stuck at the arrowcart. couldn’t get off it and had to wp.

dc’d 4 times tonight and alwyais in FA

hharry.1967:

Pull radius needs to be reduced. This + Daze shatter + GS knock down + chaos storm, over 5 seconds of low cd on demmand aoe CC.

dude u really gotta L2P!!!!go cry somewhere else.we just got a major hit and u want to nerf it all just because u dont wanna deal with it and learn how to fight!sry no empathy here at all

Dr Zoidberg.2046:

Zodiac.7413:

I have a pure, 100% confusion build
…
So by halving the damage, unskilled players are rewarded and skilled players are punished

Wait, you consider yourself a skilled player for applying a single condition to people over and over and waiting for themselves to attack themselves to death? Sounds to me like unskilled players are now being punished. I’d get your point about “1 condition removal and you’re good to go” if we could choose which condition to remove, but in WvW, you’re likely to have many conditions on you at once, and AFAIK, only necro, warrior, and guardian can remove all conditions at once. I just don’t get your argument.

ok u guys always say that glam mesmers need 0 skill? go play one and be successful with it we dont just spam and wait we are in constant movement and dodging as all of the glam skills have an enormous cooldown. before u accuse people of being unskilled players go check how we fight join a glam group and see for yourself. actually there are dps builds that are wayy easier to apply dmg with but we choose to use confusion instead and have like no other power appart from that.

Caveth.3268:

CrazyDuck.4610:

Hello

It seems what ever updates happened in the latest patch has killed mesmer… I notice a huge damage decrease, having a very hard time doing any decent shatter damage now. Confusion nerf wasn’t really needed, could have just allowed blink/stealth/heals to not be affected by confusion instead. Not fair when other classes warriors/necros can do 20k+ aoe DMG in seconds, thieves can do 20-30k+ dmg single target then disappear in seconds. Yet mesmers get the nerf. What’s next? Mesmer will be limited to two illusions? Guess it is time to roll another class.

Mesmers also have Portals (the only class with this in the game), an AoE pull/wall speed buff/(A Reflect – if Traited) on their focus, an AoE push on greatsword, an invulnerability on sword, self-stealth, wall stealth (no target limit, the only one that has no limit in the game), an AoE stealth elite, Time Warp elite (the only AoE quickness ability), and Moa Form elite (the only enemy transformation ability).

They have the absolutely best utility and survivability (blink/stealth/invulnerability/reflect/etc. help a lot in survival) in the game – they don’t really deserve to be on par with other classes in damage – or they would simply have everything with no down sides.

i really dont think u understand the mesmers at all sry! you cant have all those things together.each build has its pros and cons check our traitline and check our weapons.

Benjamin.7893:

selan.8354:

Haldunius.7864:

Arpheus.6918:

Retal is still hitting alot too hard in zerg vs zerg.
Easy solution. 1 sec ICD or at least make it 0.5 sec ICD so that you cant kill yourself in 5 sec.
For me the solution to this problem: don’t ever use longbow any more. I won’t get many badges that way as other classes do but at least I survive. I rather go melee – I will survive it easier than staying at 1500 range using barrage.

This has to be changed. Really.

Easy solution – learn mechanics of game and stop QQ’ing about some of the most easily avoided damage in the game. It’s the only enemy boon you can control.

Similarly confusion is the only enemy condition you can control.

There’s a common theme here. Both things require you to be bad to lose.

very much agree with this. i got killed by retaliation maybe 3 or 4 times and i have played my mesmer for over 1700 hours. a glamour mesmer by him self is not op at what people cried about was when multiple glams attacked together, but hey if u put 10 necros into hills lordsroom, everyone that enters is dead, 10 thiefs can if coordinated wipe a group bigger than them, 10 hammerwarriors bybye hp and hello death, 10 guardians same thing, 10 eles very quick death too.
the thing about confusion and retaliation is a l2 kitten ue.

Cus as a mesmer you don’t suffer from retal at all. Your only multiple attack hit (blurred frency) makes you completely invulnerable from all dmg even retal (in contrast to thieves pistol whip for example) not to mention shatters remove boons etc. But yeah, it’s obviously a l2p problem… gosh people on this forum.

not true at all. every attack i put out lest say i used feedback if i hit multiple targets and some of them have retal active i get hit pretty hard too.same with shatters

Midnightjade.3520:

Everyone I know with Mesmer is doing a complete respec, then learning how to play the new build. And anyone who has an alternative level 80 character with a profession more suited to WvW has switched to it.

I’ll probably be taking my Staff/Hammer Guardian to WvW a lot more often than my Mesmer unless things change – it’s simply the more potent choice right now in groups.

yup stared a thief yesterday. its amazing how u can run in and press random buttons and then stealth and the next hit crits for 1k eventhough im lv 4.

Haldunius.7864:

Arpheus.6918:

Retal is still hitting alot too hard in zerg vs zerg.
Easy solution. 1 sec ICD or at least make it 0.5 sec ICD so that you cant kill yourself in 5 sec.
For me the solution to this problem: don’t ever use longbow any more. I won’t get many badges that way as other classes do but at least I survive. I rather go melee – I will survive it easier than staying at 1500 range using barrage.

This has to be changed. Really.

Easy solution – learn mechanics of game and stop QQ’ing about some of the most easily avoided damage in the game. It’s the only enemy boon you can control.

Similarly confusion is the only enemy condition you can control.

There’s a common theme here. Both things require you to be bad to lose.

very much agree with this. i got killed by retaliation maybe 3 or 4 times and i have played my mesmer for over 1700 hours. a glamour mesmer by him self is not op at what people cried about was when multiple glams attacked together, but hey if u put 10 necros into hills lordsroom, everyone that enters is dead, 10 thiefs can if coordinated wipe a group bigger than them, 10 hammerwarriors bybye hp and hello death, 10 guardians same thing, 10 eles very quick death too.
the thing about confusion and retaliation is a l2 kitten ue.

Bas.7406:

Great to see all the sign ups already. I think Kylia is venturing on coming again, but he wants to bring his full mesmer contingent from AVTR :P. I haven’t had any confirmation yet though.

:-)

Clip.6845:

lioka qiao.8734:

Confusion and retaliation were intended to punish their victims for lack of awareness. They’re like Empathy and Backfire from GW1. Confusion applies to an enemy, Retaliation applies to yourself.
The issue is that too many players are incapable of developing situational awareness and end up punished by these conditions. Instead of making these players adapt, anet nerfs these skills so they don’t have to.

Problem is games where player skill is required don’t pull in money anymore. The shareholders say nerf these things and make Arrow carts overpowered and the devs listen.

Lol, situational awereness… You had to stop attacking and dodging completely or you died instantly due to autotattack making confusion hit for 3k+ damage, per attack. Any class with a fast autottack doesn’t have time to stop attacking to avoid all that damage, nothing to do with skill. Just a free kill for the mesmer due to autoattack not stopping.

3k come on! confusion staks last for such a short time that the 3k mark goes down quickly to 1k. and u can also slow down your attack. sometimes i wanna run in and cast a ton of stuff,but get hit by another glammesmer so i moonwalk back a few steps and cast nullfield around me to cleanse the condition and then cast my stuff.how hard is that? u got condition removers right? use them!

MrInfinit.1864:

zaxon.6819:

if anyone is playing a glamour spec and says its fine.. you may not notice how hard you are being carried by your zerg. obviously you are getting loot bags and patting yourself on the back but all your spec is doing is tagging people that someone else is killing for you.

As a glam mesmer, aren’t you still blinding people within a specific area multiple times? Aren’t you reflecting projectiles back onto the attackers and protecting your allies? Aren’t you tearing off boons from the attackers while removing conditions off your allies? And while you’re doing that, aren’t you still doing at least some damage on top of all that with confusion?

I’m not defending the nerfs, I hate them (esp the blinding befuddlement nerf). But to say glam mesmers are useless and are being carried and only useful for tagging people is just silly and wrong.

u call 213 and a illusionary warlok that hits in total up to 1k another dmg?thats waht glamourmesmers scrifice. we choose to not use power but confusion instead. go spec it in spvp and try your direct dmg out.. chaosstorm hits for 213 per hit….yeah we are reflecting projectiles but every other build is doing that too if feedback is used.

this one is soo funny

Snickers.9570:

He was using Tornado, which for some reason makes confusion go off constantly while you’re tranformed.

now there is a problem that should be fixed with that then i think a tornado or daggerstorm shouldnt react like this to confusion. its not the dmg there though he only takes 213 dmg per tick but with those fast ticks thats terrible. but nerfing the confusion dmg wouldnt fix that bug right there, by nerfing the dmg like that the whole class suffers and most of the time before the nerf i wouldnt get enormous ticks either unless hitting a mindless zerg.

Oozo.7856:

Confusion did too much damage in WvW, now it doesn’t do enough. Perhaps an internal cooldown on taking damage should be put in place so the damage on confusion can be increased and still punish spam-clickers without obliterating them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YnU-YG8Kbc

well the dude in this video clearly spammend autoattack like a 100 times while moving on the edge between 2 glamfields.if u run between several necro field u will get the exact same result. ikittenee moving in and out of glamfield the stacks go high very quickly, but they don’t last long at all.if u check the stacks i do on a boss in pve for example he doesent attack fast enough to get that high of a dmg. so if u get hit by confusion like that stop mashing buttons, slow down your attack. why do u think dolys are hard to kill for a glam mesmer?

Caliban.3176:

dooh.1840:

Zumi.6384:

dooh.1840:

enjoy it while it is possible. Already half of my guild left game becouse of thjis stupidity , same with other guild in ouer aliance

soon it will be fights 2 vs 6 , tell me about good farm then.

This is either a huge exaggeration or your guild mates are massively over reacting. The buff arrow carts and everyone rage quits? Seems pretty silly to me, but hey if it’s that important to you I’m not one to tell people when to quit.

And I agree, as annoying as it might be, there are definitely ways to counter it

its because of impossible to take keeps in my tier , scouts arrow carts and trebs everywhere , no counter tactic against it.
only 1 thing left to do – its defend your keep which no one not trying to attack in ouer prime time.
so wvw is “i scouting my keep and no single fight for hours…”
its not silly , there is no rage quits . Just solitaire has a more dynamic gameplay. I think after this patch its serious competitor for gw2.

I respectfully disagree. Check my signature.

lol oh well after the major nerfs to my main class mesmer and then seeing the arrowcart change…i played solitaire and the board game talisman yesterday XD

Alilinke.7690:

10 FA commanders in TCBL right now. Not sure if WvW or Lions Arch.

hahaha it was actually 13 we just had some fun in ts so we al lput the tags up XD

JaNordy.6149:

;; waaaaah I have to use my skill now rather than add 1 condition that shuts down enemy unless they have condition removal up and it randomly removes that 1 condition I just applied, waaaaah, it doesnt matter in groups it can be applied faster than its removed waaaah, I want my 3k+ damage on dodge rolls back waaah change is back anet waaaah ;;. So many baddie babies in this game. A+ nerf, enjoy having to work for kills now.

you have absolutely no clue what u are talking about. obviously u hate mesmers because u super nr 1 player that obviously is the best and most skilled player in the game got killed once so u assume that u dont need skill for glam right. let me guess your main is a thief?

bladie.5084:

Henrik.7560:

Before: 1# Thief (as always) #2 Mesmer (glamour builds) #3 Elementallist (superior AoE)

After: 1# Thief (still haven’t nerfed heartseeker -.- ) #2 Guardian (superior healing) #3 Mesmer (badly nerfed)

Why it changed:
Thieves are still overpowered and will stay because they denny that heartseeker spammers are completely easy to counter (steal- 3k heartseeker- 3k, 4k, 6k, 6k), apparently isnt overpowered. The steal nerf was good, but that other skills are far too powerful. Cloak and Dagger should have a nerf too, its a source of stealth, enemy vulnerability, AND deals 6k damage on crits.
Mesmers had a HUGE nerf which ruined every confusion build as of its damage is crap now, losing their zerg popularity.
Elementallist had a HUGE nerf as well which stuff RTL up for zerg travel, and skills while in mist form and many other things.

lol are you serious? Confusion was never a problem for me but it was justifiable why it needed nerf. Eles NEEDED a nerf imo. and i don’t think this is enough to hurt them that much. They still have the best burst heals and consistence in dmg and surviving along with mobility. And I do agree with you that thieves need another c+d nerf because in truth, it’s suppose to be a survibility skill.

That being said thieves, mesmers and eles are still top 3. lol. I’m not going to give them their rank because their classes are situational that makes them outshine each other.

no mesmers are only needed for portals and the nerf of 50 per cent wasnt needed. it nerfed us to kitten!i am up now as i used condition builds and if it needed a nerf 15-25 percent would have done the trick

thief, warrior,necro

mesmers have only 2 viable builds left as the confusion nerf destroyed every other build and made us completely up(i dont even feel like logging into wvw anymore..and if i do ill sit on arrowcarts

eles got hit extreemly hard too

engis took a bad hit aswell currently 1 viable build left

Pyroatheist.9031:

Quite honestly, longbow and shortbow make absolutely no sense for mesmer. Mainhand pistol is the obvious choice, and then daggers (either ranged or close-combat) would fit far far better than longbow and shortbow.

agreed im not a bow person at all.glamour and portals and clones make total sense and yes so did confusion. daggers would be cool tough i could see that.

omg i used my confusion build toady and i really wanna cry right now..my friend even wanna delete their mesmers now!anet u gonna fix this we are up right now if we are not using gs s/focus and playn power builds. u destroued actually not only 80 percent of mesmers builds u destroed 95 percent

Lance.5892:

if you want to see more, theyre on the votf homepage!

http://www.votf-online.net/index.php?app=uportal

omg omg that just made my day!cant stop laughing!ahahahahaha

FLIMP.8172:

selan.8354:

FLIMP.8172:

selan.8354:

FLIMP.8172:

Confusion is still fine (if you’re not a glamour mesmer, I have no opinion on this cos I don’t play ZvZ). I’m still able to beat people easily… it’s slower but it still works.

Like the op stated, it’s not a faceroll build anymore – you need to time your confusion. Sceptre sucks though.

@People who say “If confusion is so good and is fine, why do people not run confusion builds in spvp”. The reason they don’t is because it sucks in conquest game mode. It’s far too slow – spvp/tpvp is about being able to move fast, kill fast, or survive for a long period of time. Confusion builds tend to do none of those (unless you rely on stealth but that doesn’t help cap points)

Flimp check out wvw in a higher tier and then come back and comment spvp is nothing like wvw!

I am on Tier 1… and I agree it’s completely different? What’s your point lol

then u should know that certain builds are not useful in spvp but useful in wvw. and a lot of builds are great forspvp but useless in wvw.

Yes. We’re on the same side buddy

I said confusion builds (my one at least) works in WvW but sucks in sPvP.

yup same here first time i tried spvp with my build i got destroyed.lol

Alpha.1308:

selan.8354:

i understand that from a spvp expert player this changes seems no problem, but look at it this way, u have played spvp most likely as much as we have wvw.we know every function and build that works in wvw. a lot of classes go respec before the have 1v1 duel on wvw at the duel places. there i would swap to my spvp build, but every class has a specific wvw build because we spec into things that support large groups and face even lager groups. u can be great in spvp but getting destroyed in wvw with the same build.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR ARGUMENT COMPLETELY AND HAVE CHANGED MY VIEWS ON THE SUBJECT
let’s redirect this back to the OP’s topic nowkhtnx?

yep to get back on the subject, i would love to see a new condition for the mesmer that could work with glam skills,but we will see what anet is going to do for mesmer so we can spec into condition dmg again

FLIMP.8172:

selan.8354:

FLIMP.8172:

Confusion is still fine (if you’re not a glamour mesmer, I have no opinion on this cos I don’t play ZvZ). I’m still able to beat people easily… it’s slower but it still works.

Like the op stated, it’s not a faceroll build anymore – you need to time your confusion. Sceptre sucks though.

@People who say “If confusion is so good and is fine, why do people not run confusion builds in spvp”. The reason they don’t is because it sucks in conquest game mode. It’s far too slow – spvp/tpvp is about being able to move fast, kill fast, or survive for a long period of time. Confusion builds tend to do none of those (unless you rely on stealth but that doesn’t help cap points)

Flimp check out wvw in a higher tier and then come back and comment spvp is nothing like wvw!

I am on Tier 1… and I agree it’s completely different? What’s your point lol

then u should know that certain builds are not useful in spvp but useful in wvw. and a lot of builds are great forspvp but useless in wvw.

i understand that from a spvp expert player this changes seems no problem, but look at it this way, u have played spvp most likely as much as we have wvw.we know every function and build that works in wvw. a lot of classes go respec before the have 1v1 duel on wvw at the duel places. there i would swap to my spvp build, but every class has a specific wvw build because we spec into things that support large groups and face even lager groups. u can be great in spvp but getting destroyed in wvw with the same build.

FLIMP.8172:

Confusion is still fine (if you’re not a glamour mesmer, I have no opinion on this cos I don’t play ZvZ). I’m still able to beat people easily… it’s slower but it still works.

Like the op stated, it’s not a faceroll build anymore – you need to time your confusion. Sceptre sucks though.

@People who say “If confusion is so good and is fine, why do people not run confusion builds in spvp”. The reason they don’t is because it sucks in conquest game mode. It’s far too slow – spvp/tpvp is about being able to move fast, kill fast, or survive for a long period of time. Confusion builds tend to do none of those (unless you rely on stealth but that doesn’t help cap points)

Flimp check out wvw in a higher tier and then come back and comment spvp is nothing like wvw!

Alpha.1308:

(and no,i don’t mean from this Confusion dealing 50% less in wvw,personally i think people need to stop complaining about it,it’s no different from spvp why should it be different in wvw)

erm sry but wvw and spvp are very very different from eachother:

I don’t think in spvp u face a zerg of 20 at the same time. a lot of people run solo and small groups face small groups…

yes, there are 16vs 16, but if the groups are unbalance, they get rebalanced

wvw has siege like ballistas

food is allowed in wvw

big zergs have big heals and cleansing and in a big zerg u most like get a rez

a shatterer is not as efective in wvw due to numbers

clones get killed very quickly with siege and due to big zergs

having a focus on u is important as u have to run long distances

skill<numbers in wvw,nobody cares if u 1v1 that super thief the zerg will simply overrrun u

a lot of times there is 10 vs 30 fights

as u see now there are differences. almost every class has a spvp build but would never use it in wvw as it is not viable vs zergs.

Drakh.3128:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Glamour mesmers were OP, now they are brought back to a balanced level.

Glamour mesmers were not OP at all, 10 glamour mesmers at once were OP. The issue was one of scaling. Killing an entire class was not necessary. Most WvW mesmers specialized into glamours because it was really the only way to get any AOE damage. Just about every other mesmer build is only for solo ganking (shatter) or single target (GS). Since WvW has evolved into bigger and bigger zergs, specializing into glamours came naturally. Unfortunately with the damage on confusion being so low now, mesmers are relegated as portal bots or to manning an arrow cart.

yup and i’d say if u put 10 necros together, or 10 engis or hammerwarriors that are very coordinated, u could take down zergs.yes 10 glam mesmers were powerful, but alone it is different. people gotta realize a glam mesmers auto attack is like 213 in dmg and our power in total is like 1100 ….and glam skills have a major cooldown…i think even in spvp confusion needs to be readjusted as everyone there has to use either shatterer or phantasm build…

yeah people are a little paranoid when it comes to sabotaging. we had people suiciding golems off cliffs and people hiring merchants when garrison was under attack.i’m sure he had his reasons to think there was sabotaging going on, but hit the wrong person at the wrong time. It wasn’t fair to report u before checking the facts, but u gotta understand that there are a ton of spies and people that sabotage another server.

that being said, there is something that people need to understand: When i was new to wvw, i had absolutely no idea what upgrades where important or should be bought. so i would pick the cheapest one like oil or even merchants until someone explained it to me. it does take new players some time to learn the mechanics of wvw.

I would recommend new players to stay away from golems and upgrades until they fully understand wvw.

for new players:
-run with a group or even a big zerg and watch how the cap a keep or tower and what upgrades are ordered first.
-check how golems use portals
-see where pros place siege and how they use it
-stay on commanders
-use supply from camps not keeps or towers when its upgrading
-upgrade camps
-escort dolyaks
-check gates when keep is contested
-find out how to use trebuchet, mortars,rams,catas..learn all the siege and its functions
-find out that spvp is nothing like wvw

Mewa.5423:

Ralathar.7236:

You are right you have more steady application. But this is both an advantage and a possible severe weakness. Maintaining that damage requires your constant time, prohibiting you from maintaining that DPS AND doing other things like confusion application builds do. You do other things, you lose DPS, we do not.

Second weakness is that your constant application of conditions makes you extremely vulnerable to condition > boon conversion. Confusion builds bursting their confusion does not expose them much to those conversions. In a zerg 4 warriors with war horns traited can make your necro a liability instead of an asset.

It’s not uncommon for my warrior to end up with full boons in battle thanks to the possible overpowered nature of the war horn trait used by multiple warriors. I actually welcome most conditions for this reason.

1. Condition builds get their DPS out of stacking the conditions and maintaining them. Doing other things? Like what? Having a cup of digital coffee? If you stop attacking in power based builds, so does the damage and same applies to condition damage builds.

2. Confusion builds also are accompanied by other conditions. Despite the fact that for a mesmer they are a minor source of damage, condition->boon conversions are as effective on them as onother cd builds.

3. Confusion builds were mostly brought up vs enemy zergs, which presumably also had lots of cd removals (eg forementioned warhorns) resulting in the stacks disappearing quite effectively

I can`t really understand what makes people whine about confusion so much while retaliation gets almost unscatched. But perhaps now, with a striking indication that you`re being hit by retaliation will bring about QQ about it, as it`s as OP as confusion was, according to whiners(a.k.a. bad players).

My conclusion concerning your posts is that you`re too biased in this matter.
You are omiting aspects that are crucial to understanding the cause and drawing one-sided conclusions, purposely forgetting about other sides of the arguments you`re bringing, which would destroy the point of view you are trying to dragoon.
My guess is you must`ve taken a hard beating from manymanymany mesmers and engineers and their confusion stacks.

yeah people that whined about confusion dmg from glam mesmers, here a little info:we choose to attack with confusion only, not with power as we all speced into condition only. there is no dps apart fromconfusion so u coud see confusion dmg from a glam mesmer similar to a regular daggerstorm or meteor shower.now compare the dmg we do to what u do with dps…we don’t crit, we stack,but confusion doesnt crit at all, so looking at it that way our dmg seems pretty balanced to what other weapons could do.

our other dmg is not even noticable, my scepter hits for 213 so does my staff…my auto attacks= around that, look at what other classes do. plus glam fields have a cooldown of around 30 seconds you could do much more dmg with your autoattacks.

confusion was nerfed in spvp because shatterers could insta down an opponent with a confusion f2 shatter, but in wvw u face a ton of enemies with a ton of heals and cleansing tools, i even think in spvp the nerf was over the top, where as all they had to do was adjusting the dmg done by the f2 shatter.

now all a condition mesmer has left is dps as we don’t have any other condition left…i don’t even notice dmg done by other conditions and m am fully condition spec.

Garr.1823:

To be honest – confusion mesmer was overpowered. Too easy, to effective, AoE (!) ,too much damage.
But i sill hope, that now Anet will give us some simple mechanism to apply confusion (like “Empathy” or “Backfire” skill in GW1), that will be relatively spammable.

that is weird as i havent been killed by other glam mesmers at all since i’ve joined a guild that has a ton of glam in it.so if u say op…have u played a glam mesmer vs a coordinated group?I dont think it was op but if it needed a nerf sry but 15-25 percent is enough

drongas.4189:

dont care about confusion, BUT they nerf retalation AAAAAAAAAAA

u sound a little selfish right there.i do actually care about both. for those specing into retaliation, they took a hit, but everyone that used condition dmg is underpowered right now.

we are all forced to move to a dps build and in my case 6 months 1700 hours playtime as a mesmer, are gone to wasete now as i have to grind new armor,weapons, sigils, runes and trinkets, that were btw all ascened apart from 1 ring that was still exptic. just bought my abyssal scepter….great now i need another 60g to respec because anet destroyed 80 percent of mesmer builds out there.

Victory.2879:

Nice, just shows you can prove any old rubbish with maths when you start off with the wrong assumption.

Confusion has a short DURATION, you can’t stack it easily like bleeds, it doesn’t work if you don’t attack, etc and it wears off very fast and then you have long cooldowns on your main glamour related confusion.

In the meantime players can continue to stack burn, bleed, etc until the cows come home, and retaliation is permanently on most players making using barrage a ‘not so much fun’ experience.

pretty much this, plus u gotta see our cooldowns they are huge!

worst patch ever.confusion is inbound in a mesmers trait line and was turned useless. now there are many limited builds left and i might have to stay on arrow carts untill i get enough gold to respec and get new gear!the 30 seconds addon is really dumb as anamies can flip camps and towers instantly.all the patch did was promoting zergs, destoying builds, forcing tons of players to respec, people having to give up their hard achieved gear, golems being insta killed on gates, unbalance wvw and destoying all the fun!

theCOREYCOLAK.5698:

Thief stealth was nerfed last month, resulting in an overall reduction of 33% damage, which was fixed this patch. As soon as Anet sees the error of their ways, I’m sure this will get re-patched next month.

oh please i really really hope soe as anet double nerfed confusion builds that had blinding befuddlement inbound.they went completely over the top with that and destroyed a ton of builds while not giving us ANYTHING to make up for this. condition mesmers got hit way too hard.

Colly.4073:

I seriously hope the DEVS are going to reimburse players in some way, I myself spent over 40g building and gearing my Mesmer only for it to be shelved and all my hard earned gear and ascended items gathering dust in the bank.

40g i wish i spent over 120 for all the skins sigils runes armor and weapons and then all the ascended gear….ouch!and seeing the dmg atm is very very discouraging…please anet change this!

Moleless.1462:

selan.8354:

Moleless.1462:

Chipperz.2594:

Hmmm…. Confusion/Glamour Mesmer nerfed to the point its not viable, Time to start a Condition build Necro i think LOL ! Watchout for the nerf bat Necro’s ! People are going to start to cry :P

That’s a null point, as there is no other condition in the game that would even come close to the strength of confusion before its nerf.

thats not true confusion wasnt op if you guys would jusst run through or back off like my other guild used to do when we faced a very well known glam mesmer guild we would back off the bubbles circle around them and then get back in. we did get killed a lot at first but then figured out how to deal with it. my guild doesnt spam buttons mindlessly.confusion wasnt op but if it needed a nerf then why not try 25 percent first?and the trait blinding befuddlement change nerfs the entire class to up now

If the only counter to a certain mechanic is running away, then I’m sorry, but that mechanic is broken.

BTW, what happens after you “back off”. Do you try to push back and have the confusion instantly reapplied, or is this retreat meant to be permanent?

nope we are actually pretty good at not running into a group right away. we kite them and if u manage to kite the initial burst u get to actually attack. u need to figure out new tactics just blindly storm into an enemy wont help much we actually have a bunch of ranged people that stay outside and use cleansing abilities while the bigger part of our group attacks those mesmers. ther is many ways to counter that.

Moleless.1462:

Chipperz.2594:

Hmmm…. Confusion/Glamour Mesmer nerfed to the point its not viable, Time to start a Condition build Necro i think LOL ! Watchout for the nerf bat Necro’s ! People are going to start to cry :P

That’s a null point, as there is no other condition in the game that would even come close to the strength of confusion before its nerf.

thats not true confusion wasnt op if you guys would jusst run through or back off like my other guild used to do when we faced a very well known glam mesmer guild we would back off the bubbles circle around them and then get back in. we did get killed a lot at first but then figured out how to deal with it. my guild doesnt spam buttons mindlessly.confusion wasnt op but if it needed a nerf then why not try 25 percent first?and the trait blinding befuddlement change nerfs the entire class to up now

Chipperz.2594:

Hmmm…. Confusion/Glamour Mesmer nerfed to the point its not viable, Time to start a Condition build Necro i think LOL ! Watchout for the nerf bat Necro’s ! People are going to start to cry :P

i wish i would like the necro class…not really fond of death spells and ugly minions or the black green stuff all over….but that aside u guys think glam mesmers were bad..sry but a necro with all his marks and wells can prevent u from entering a keep completly its like insta death walking through a stacked mark spot.