Guild Wars 2

Vizier.3164:

We should be demanding a total refund :@ all that gold (gems for gold in my case), laurels, karma ,etc, etc is now wasted….

The question I have is: are they even allowed to totally destroy something that we paid for with real money? :/

yeah seriously,instead of balancing it they have broken it.i wish the would reverse it.i dont even feel like logging in atm im demoralized…and playing solitaire(could there be anything worse than that?

lol at least that made me smile a little after all those horrible changes and nerfs.ty for sharing

Devilsmack.5736:

Luckily, most of my gear was bought with either Karma, Laurels or dungeon tokens.

But if you went full Khilbron, well… my deepest condolences.

well i did, including abyssal scepert! and even before glam mersmer i was using p/v/c gear that will be useless too after this horrible patch that destroyed 80 percent of the mesmer builds.

yeah being forced to use a certain build because of this huge nerf is ridiculous.in spvp yes the confusion shatterer was ver very strong befor the nerf, but wvw is a whole different game. there is tons of people with tons of heals and tons of cleansing effects. take a look at the necros:with their marks and wells they can do wayy more dmg than a glamour mesmer and if u are hit with confusion u can actually run through without being insta killed if u dont use an ability. necros can turn any chokepoint into a deathtrap.but confusion is inbound of our class.this is terrible and not well thought through anet. rabid gear in wvw= usless and a abolute joke!

Xillllix.3485:

Seriously, confusion is the one thing unique to mesmers, I play an ele and I don’t want it nerfed and never felt it was overpowered. So many unnecessary nerf and unjustified boost.

ty for understanding.i’m very very upset atm as all my gear that i got over the past 6 months is useless right now.80 to 120 g with the abyssal scepter and then all he laurels and ascened gear is useless.

Last Warrior Lord.7248:

Only reason I recently made a elementalist was for the Ride the lighting skill and mist from. Now the you fix RTL (understand that… don’t understand the 20 to 40 sec increase). Now you can’t heal in mist from when you are getting hammered. Currently at lvl 24 and that’s my stopping point cause of this nerf. Ele just not fun now. Guess I’ll just delete it. Good job on the other bug fixes.

totally agree with you on this. my main is a mesmer but i have a level 80 ele aswell and the nerf hit very hard. mesmers only viable condition has been nerfed to the ground and now i cant even swap to my ele as it was hit this hard aswell.all my ascened gear of both clases and the hard earned weapon skins are useless now.

yeah just tried out my confusion build in wvw and it was a joke!all my gear is useless and mesmers have like 3 viable builds left, that arent really good vs zergs. anet ruined my gameplay completely.hey but at least we got moas now….and apart from ele all other classes can destroy u.great.i aint gonna be nerfed down to kitten portaling service!because thats the only thing left in wvw for a mesmer. all youQQ’er go ahead and walk your kitten golems!

yup this promotes zergs to be even more powerful as they were before. what is wrong with Anet. u nerfed 2 classes so they both are forced to use the very little builds that are left, te whole arrowcart thing is a disaster and now this?why dont u make a testserver to see if those changes are even worth it? how can u guys not see that wvw changes shouldt be equal to spvp changes?how is a 50 percent confusion nerf even justified?arent u aware that u are destroying a ton of builds and now the classes are even less balanced than before.

i’ve never used mantras in wvw as the whole charging thing and all that maybe aoe would be ok but with the new mesmer changes our whole condition builds are destoyed soo im a little lost atm. i dont know if mantrs can be useful in wvw vs a giant zerg. anyone using a manta build in wvw?if yes could it be viable?

Chimaster.8165:

I’ve been playing glass d/d ele since around launch and this nerf is making me depressed and sick to my stomach. I feel like i’m going to have to re-roll.

i feel your pain i have a lv 80 ele and lv 80 mesmer.both of them were nefed to the ground and i dont even feel like logging in atm im so upset.

Crossplay.2067:

I’m more concerned about the effects this will have on the meta. With glamour being less favorable, more mesmers may go for shatter burst or rabid builds. And if Anet thought confusion made newbies cry…

well our entire class has been destroyed with this nerf as we are all forced to use the same builds.in spvp thats all u see and its boring.anet officially nerfed mesmers to the ground unless they are kitten shatter dps kitten bullkitten build!cndition dmg?what condition?huh?!Im sooo mad this is not fair and i have no other classes i liked I got a few lv/80 but i loved the mesmer and anet has ruined it all!

oh well …i might gonna play some solitaire till next month and hope they will do something to make help the glam and condition builds in wvw.

wads.5730:

selan.8354:

yup ty anet for destroying an entire build!i want my laurels back!wait until all the QQ’ers that cried about confusion and nerfed many mesmer builds to up now get their class destroyed.ty anet for ruining my game experience and definitely won’t buy any gems any more u dont deserve that!

the irony

? sry what? didnt get that answer.also english is my forth language so i dont get that answer at all.

yup ty anet for destroying an entire build!i want my laurels back!wait until all the QQ’ers that cried about confusion and nerfed many mesmer builds to up now get their class destroyed.ty anet for ruining my game experience and definitely won’t buy any gems any more u dont deserve that!

Ghanto.9784:

Mesmers definitely still have their uses, portals and time warp are still potential game changers, but otherwise I’m not sure how much group utility they will still have in wvw. Sending out a bunch of clones to shatter in a zerg? I don’t know. I’m going to check out all the possibilities before going all doom and gloom, but right at the moment I’m not very optimistic.

sorry but only portaling people around and tw them but be useless in fights because our clones can’t deal with big zergs shouldnt be all a esmer can do.ill try to find a way to still be a good fighter and dangerous killer in wvw.

great an now i am forced to use the darn shatter dps builds!have to buy whole new set of gear, and refarm to get ascended gear!this is terrible!Seriously anet, why would u break 80 percent of the mesmer builds?

Deamhan.9538:

lLobo.7960:

Deamhan.9538:

So please explain the counter for this…

Two thieves vs 20+

The only times when they are visible are;

When they have the ability to evade,
When they are out of range, and
When they are behind someone bursting them down.

While they did take damage, they didn’t take enough damage to die before that stealth debuff wears off and poof. They’re gone. When they become visible again, they have most (or all) of their health back, most (or all) of any conditions are gone.

Two against 20 and it was basicaly a stalemate. They were able to down players, but couldn’t finish any of us off. Too many people reviving.

No amount of skill can stand up to the sheer numbers we had. It is a crutch mechanic pure and simple.

I call BS on this…

20 people focusing on a thief or 2 and dont get it killed?? With stealth not breaking channeled attacks?? with aoe?

20 people dont even need CC to get a thief down!
2 people need to CC a thief, not 5 or 10… 20?

You are just pulling stuff out of you bottom or you are walking around with the 19 worst players ever, when they all made new characters and are lvl 2 out of the tutorial using keyboard turn and mouse-clicking their 1 skill (into chat), while standing still and havent found out about the heal skill yet.

Next time I’ll try to record it. It’s no BS at all. WvW Darkhaven up at Titan. After killing one thief (which took almost 10 min), there was just one more. That guy held out for 5+ min against 20 or more of us. I can’t remember if we finally got him or he ran however for 5 min it was a stalemate. I don’t have the check box for showing all friendly pc name tags checked. That 20 or so is an estimate on the name tags I could see and not including the players that were there that didn’t have name tags. Which is why I say 20+.

That was the most extreme case. I have, on many occasions, have been part of 5 or 6 man squads that get pushed back by just one or two thieves. No, I’ve not been running with the same 4 or 5 players every time. Much of the time it has been with at least one map commander (ie, Zen) who are very good pvp’ers.

It’s a ‘too often’ occurrence for it to be skill. I would see it if it was just the same one or two thieves every time but it’s not. The evidence of what actually happens on the field is just too overwhelming. It’s a straight up crutch mechanic that is low skill for high reward.

yup happened to us too. 1 thief in inner lordsroom kept stealthing, then visible for less than a sec and then kept whispering to us u will never find me losers….

we were 10 people trying to aoe the hell out of the lordsroom after 5 min we gave up.

u walk out of the keep and get ganked by 3 thieves hiding and just hoping to gank people…which other class does that?

keep is perma contested by 1 thief

that’s why people hate thieves.

Doomdesire.9365:

greyblue.4962:

Wait wait. Let me get this right. You wanted to nerf an entire class that was generally worse then yours just because one of your skills got nerfed?

To be fair, roughly 1/2 of Mesmer skills cause confusion. We have a weapon that does nothing but that. We have a class mechanic that does nothing but that. Equivalent impact to other classes would be:

1. For rangers, pets no longer do damage.
2. For necromancers, bleed and poison now do 50% damage.

Yes, but then what is the point of a nerf in the first place, if you’re going to nerf other skills to bring it down to the same level?

yeah i see your point.nerf is not the solution in this. why not buff other classes first before the big nerfs?Anet is about to destroy 80 percent of mesmers builds!

MEsmer traits are very much about confusion and all that, even our dwnstate is confusion and now we all have to spec into shatter and high dps which i think is not right.

spvp and wvw is very very different i could see a condition shatere mesmer downing people easily in spvp(before nerf), but in wvw there are 30+ zergs to face. the clones dont stay up for long if u dont shatter them fast enough.

scepter is a condition based weapon and anet just destroyed its viability.All our laurels were wasted and all the gear and weapons have to be replaced.
why nerf in the first place and not buff another class?

Rayti.6531:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Ele along with the other professions will never be unplayable or useless. The only ones that will give up on this profession are the following: Bad players that depend on others to learn how to play this profession and those that depend on a single build to be “good” at pvp/pve.

I never said anything about quitting ele (that’s my main and it will always be).

Still this nerf didn’t address the bunker build in an efficient way. It nerfed hybrids more (that would be those players not relying on a single build and figuring out their own).

Those players will keep on trying to find other viable builds, even though they get laughed at for using so called “non viable” builds – just for not using bunker.

But on a certain point, when they farmed all variations of equip for WvW and PvE to adapt to those strange patches hitting them, when all possibilities to go different than bunker are taken away, they will give up and move to the build most “viable”.

And guess which build this still is, thanks to failed balancing attemtps.

i agree with u on this.this whole major update is killing a ton of builds and pushing everyone to the same builds, which i think is a joke.
everyone should have the choice to use the build they want and every build should still be strong.After the patch all u gonna see is bunker eles and shatter mesmers which by the way are gonna crit hit u for 6 to 8 k easily, but hey anet u nerfed confusion to the ground and all mesmers will go to dps now.
same with eles cmon double the cooldown of rtl is over the top!Who is in charge of all these numbers?

they majorlt nerf 2 classes and overly buff other while buffing the thieves again!does anet all play thieves?

Tallis.5607:

Vena.8436:

That’s not right; the current combo time is 1.5 seconds (on armor less than 1900/16000 health, ie glass cannons, scale it appropriately with multipliers for your armor/health value):

• Black Powder ~= 1k on crit
• Steal ~= 5.5k on crit + condition on target
• Heartseeker ~= 3.75k on crit + condition + >50% health; 6.6k on crit + condition + <50% health. (Puts you into stealth.)
• Backstab ~= 8.5k on crit + condition + >50% health; 10.2k on crit + condition + <50% health.
• Proc::Lightning Strike ~= 1.5k condition + >50% health; 1.8k condition + <50% health.
• Total = 25,000 damage.

Let’s see if I understand this correct… according to you, thiefs can do 25,000 damage in 1.5 seconds.

And you think that this does not needs to be nerfed?

You think doing 25k damage in 1.5 seconds is normal??

Really???

This deserves a nerf. Plain and simple. A BIG nerf.

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oh well the DEV’s are too busy nerfing the only condition a mesmer has and eles and force people to switch builds now, because maybe they all play thieves and want easy gameplay.

If it was about new players, well make a beginners server where they can train before entering the real wvw. when i started playing wvw i died a lot and over and over again till i figured it out.

good luck in BG i hope you guys are having fun again!

hahaha what a cool recruiting thread. good luck to u guys hope u find what u are looking for!:-)

kylia.4813:

Lies!
(I may or may not have changed the hue on my monitor to make it look more purple)

hahahaha yup!it’s purple!purple is the true color of a mesmer!:-)

Xirin.8593:

oZii.2864:

The damage nerfs where sPvP dancing dagger still does more damage in WvW, if I remember off top of my head the only WvW damage nerfs was to Cluster Bomb and CnD.

I’m sorry, but the top of your head needs a tune-up; Dancing Dagger’s nerf was not an sPvP-exclusive change:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Game-Update-Notes-November-15-2012/first#post808152

Dancing Dagger: This skill’s damage has been reduced by 50%.

yup that is true but its not like your entire build deals 50 percent less dmg, because u speced into condition build.it is 1 skill that was nerfed.what would u say if the said everyone using daggers deals now 50 per cent sell dmg?

as mesmer i feel bad for you guys too.never thought u were too op on the field.actually had some epic fights with eles.well mesmers are getting hit very hard too and like 80 percent of our builds are becoming super weak so that we are all forced to give up all our gear and follow the 2 builds left….well but we will see if anet really goes through with all of it.lets all hope they wake up and figure out how horrible those nerfs are.

well for the time being if u are as upset as i am with the nerfs this video made me at leas smile a little

Kazhiel.8194:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6q3em9s5I4c

ahahahahaha omg omg thats the best video ever!!!!!XD

Profano.9514:

selan.8354:

nah in wvw its sort of a must to have a focus as u have to run all over the place so no torch for me..it’s not an option!I’m not sure if u are more a pvp player but wvw is a complete different game u can’t just blind everyone and run through and all that don’t forget that in wvw u need to be able to fight through 30 to 60 + people.conditions are very useful there if u can apply it to multiple targets.

Uhm no, it’s just an option, your opinion.
If you play Shatter condition with your guild you don’t need the focus, and the Prestige is perfect for approaching the invaders and use a Confusion bomb.

It’s just a different gameplay, imho.

but what if u fall behind?it takes forever without focus to get to places.I used to run without it and it was a pain!

jportell.2197:

Kavia.8249:

Noss.4105:

In my opinion the confusion nerf was a right call, it was a bit too strong. And I got a mesmer and condition engineer, so I do use it myself too.
I don’t get why people act like it’s gonna destroy condition mesmers. Even with -50% dmg it’s still gonna be strong condition. And confusion isn’t the only condition mesmers can inflict.
If your target doesn’t do anything while stacked with confusion, it doesn’t matter if it does over 9000 damage or 900 damage.
If your target ignores the confusion, it’s still gonna do lots of damage. It’s just not death in couple seconds.
If it gets cleansed, the damage doesn’t matter that much, if at all.

Agreed. The problem with condition mesmers in sPvP is the lack of reliable access to poison. Condi classes need this in order to win attrition fights. Speccing for confusion (i.e. glamour builds) puts all your eggs in one basket – you stack confusion but if you’re specced for condi damage, they can just wait it out / use their heals or cleanses and be fine because you wont do enough direct damage to pressure them. Consider the comparison of null field and feedback to ranger traps, or necro wells – the confusion you apply just pales in comparison to the damage and condi pressure applied by other classes. Condi specs for other classes rely on high damage condies to apply pressure plus poison to prevent healing from outpacing the condies, and mesmers just can’t stack enough.

People do realize you can spec for confusion without using glamours… and have a much shorter cooldown for blinds that cause confusion…. Run scepter torch+staff…. You are taking the staff mainly for CS+PR combo and Chaos armor… Why because having chaos armor up for the full time you are waiting for CDs from the S/T weapon set allows for a full uptime on confusion.. of course if they don’t hit you while you have chaos armor up you are still winning… point is confusion builds are completely doable in PvP if you don’t stress about the glamours… and use weapon combos that have a lot of access to blinds plus skills (signet of midnight hellloooo) lol.

nah in wvw its sort of a must to have a focus as u have to run all over the place so no torch for me..it’s not an option!I’m not sure if u are more a pvp player but wvw is a complete different game u can’t just blind everyone and run through and all that don’t forget that in wvw u need to be able to fight through 30 to 60 + people.conditions are very useful there if u can apply it to multiple targets.

Kavia.8249:

oh – and btw nobody plays a condition guardian or elementalist. It is possible that some classes are just better with condition specs than others and Anet doesn’t see a viable condi mesmer as a high priority spec.

not really true if u take a look at our traits and weapons. a lot of it comes with conditions to apply ans confusion is really the only condition u have and the way the traits are set up eveb our f2 shatter a mesmer was supposed to be able to sepc into condition dmg.wvw would be so boring if there were only tanks and class cannons

Svarty.8019:

Centrix.4065:

And I can’t believe the ppl on the livestream weren’t more outspoken about some of these changes. They were just yawning and saying yes all the time. You have the opportunity to talk to them directly and start good discussions, but you don’t? It’s like having the opportunity to talk to the president, and then your only question is “what did you eat this morning?”

Oh well

I agree with this, the people on the stream were pretty terrible. At least in the patch before there was someone bold enough to ask, “Isn’t that a bit strong?”.

Huge changes to wvw and they presenters were just like “ok”.

I think the WvW community should have a representative on the panel.

yeah and representative from each class too.

Mere Image.8376:

Bearlin.7238:

Mantra builds seem interesting and it looks like they have a lot of potential but as of right now I feel like they are built more for support-type gameplay. At least for me, it’s not enough to replace Null Field, Blink, or Feedback.

If they are going to nerf confusion, they should at least improve how well we stack other conditions to make condition mesmers still viable

This idea I like. If confusion is too overpowered, which I don’t believe it is, could we be give some better options for inflicting damage via other conditions. I would like to have the potential to stack more bleeds if possible, anything to balance such a hard nerf.

yeah something that works with glamour effects

Yendorion.2381:

Please make mesmers fight bare handed!!! Their weapons hurt! QQ

I wanna have pink bunnies, that im taking out of the super mesmer hat an they are a super distraction as the enemies will wanna hunt them down for the ambient daily. but anet might wanna nerf them after 2 months to moa’s as the bunnies confuse the enemy.

Ryuujin.8236:

Yendorion.2381:

Please make mesmers fight bare handed!!! Their weapons hurt! QQ

A mesmer on a fort using a cannon hit me for some crazy damage; mesmer’s might still kill you if they use a siege weapon, we gotta find a solution to that!

maybe use butterflies instead?

Turbo Whale.1738:

Shatter burst is too easy. It isn’t hard at all to instantly summon 2 clones and shatter them giving an opponent 0 reaction time but minus 4-8k health.

Staff is too easy. Just have 3 clones out spamming conditions and teleport back every 5 seconds.

There are super tanky condition damage mesmers popping up in wvw that just sit there with chaos armor up most of the time and max clones up meaning you either die from poison/burn/bleed or you kill yourself on confusion. This build can be countered, but it is just too easy to play and requires a very skilled player to beat a much lower skilled player that is playing this build.

All in all mesmer is too easy to play. Clones being super easy/quick to manufacture, lots of teleports,invul, perma vigor, 0 reaction time burst make it too easy.

you…have absolutely no clue ..at all…/facepalm….speechless hint.play a mesmer and come back yeah? you might actually gonna realize that apart from your grammar, everything u just said is absolute bullkitten sry but …wow.

Entropy.4732:

The above poster makes a great point. It’s not just that we lost a ton of gold, time, etc. It’s also that we were comfortable with our weapons. Weapons which now are unviable. Scepter is beyond useless now for Mesmers. I really don’t get the 50% nerf. As others have pointed out, a 20% or even 30% we would have accepted. Our builds still would have been workable. But 50%???? I feel like we were led into a trap by the traits which scream out for a glam / confusion build. Folks are acting like this build wasn’t designed by Anet as a core build. Glam’s cause blind, blind causes confusion etc. This build was built into the very fiber of Mesmers. A nerf this big is like saying, “Just kidding guys! We were dead wrong. Our original design was just an April fools joke.” And then all the loyal players that had faith in the developer’s intended design and worked for months and months (a year in my case) to get all that ascended gear, runes, sigils, etc are royally screwed. It’s just so unfair and coulda been handled with so much more finesse and care.

i think they don’t care at all.they want new players=more money and all the mesmers that need new gear now have to buy hems, thaths how anet makes its money.

Davrollen.8935:

I’ve been playing confusion (not glam) since I first saw Flimp’s build months ago, but I’ve already changed my build in anticipation of the nerf to get more used to it. Even as confusion stands now quality players cleanse it pretty well. Unless we get that new condition the necros are anticipating or there are significant trait line changes I really cannot see me sticking with a condition build in ANY type of weakened state.

oooh i forgot about the new condition…wow maybe we get a new one that will go hand in hand with confusion…..:-) that’d be cool! well, we will see.

osif.8673:

Now mesmers will respecc phantasms which do 10k damage every ~4-6 seconds or shatter builds which do more every 9ish seconds. Enjoy!

lol yeah most likely. then they will wish they would have never unleashed that beast XD.Lets see how an uplevel or new player will deal with that…

TonyDiMeglio.5461:

ibajiah.5280:

Everyone whining about this or that being OP are just UT. Under Thinking. Adapt to the game, improve yourself, and stop complaining that what the other guy over there is doing and that’s not fair. That’s how evolution works fyi, you either adapt, or die, clean and simple. And kitten bring some kitten condition cleansing with you if you can’t deal with it, if you didn’t know, ALL classes have it.

I’m sorry about your loss mesmers, as a swirling winds ele, I know half of our playbook using siege to take a tower or keep is now shot right own the drain. Time to go stack up on rams and repair canisters I guess.

this isnt the kittening growth of the human race kitten The problem is that Confusion is the only reliable condition spec for mesmers and all of us that farmed full condition gear are now kittened out of 50% of our damage. If we would have known that PRIOR to all that hard work…. do you think we would have gone through with it? Not to mention the Mesmers that spent a lot of time crafting for skins for weapons that they now will switch completely.

You can sit here and talk all the kitten you want but if this amount of reduction happened to your character you would be kittening livid.

agreed. ill try to still use my gear and all that and see if my build is still vial, but i tried it in spvp and felt the difference a lot.
people that are not bothered about the changes most likely play a phantasm build or shatter build as a mesmer that doesn’t use condition at all. They won’t have to change their entire gear either.

but 80 per cent of mesmer builds are using the by trait given condition dmg as well. if an other class would face a hit this hard you would be crying here too.

let’s see what a thief with 50 percent less stealth would say

or a necro with 50 percent less poison,fear and all the other conditions get cut in half.every necro that speced into condition dmg can say bye bye to his gear.

just to make u understand that a nerf like this hurts a lot of people.oh well i think dev’s want to promote spvp because everyone has to respec now and find a build that could work…wvw and spvp is very different from eachother though and i think there is where the dev’s made a mistake as they think it is the same.

well, we will see what is gonna happen though there could be still some hope for mesmers with rabid gear.

TonyDiMeglio.5461:

Xsorus.2507:

Here is how you can tell the confusion nerf is over the top.

Do people run Confusion in SPvP?

If its not ran in SPvP, then you’re pretty much breaking it in World vs World by balancing it the seem.

Not to mention not applying all the other balance ideas you did in SPvP to World vs World, but just the Confusion one.

EXACTLY.

Thanks GOD I didnt make my Abyssal Scepter.

…i did…:-(

Godmoney.2048:

Mere Image.8376:

Nerfs aren’t made to balance classes anymore. Nerfs are made to balance player skill. Kitten players get buffed and skilled players get nerfed.

I would have argued this point if it was a 30% nerf, but 50% and I have to agree with you. I have a hard time believing that 50% is justified. I have a hard time believing a 25% was ever tested.

yup and we got like 3 days to get a whole new build and new gear…and ascended gear is lost too.i would love to have a test server so we can help the devs to make decisions. I know i know im very upset atm and people are like cmon u are overrreacting and maybe there will be a solution, but I’ve played a condition mesmer since starting this class (1700 hours playtime and a bunch of different builds) it feels like all my hard work will be destroyed in a single hit.
I will try to use cond.build untill i have enough gold to get a whole new build but seeing how weak it is in spvp i am very discouraged. Lets hope there will be some kind of solution.

yup tried a few builds in spvp now with the weapons i have and scepter/focus involved. all of the builds are not condition based…scepter was terrible so far…still trying other builds, but looks like my abyssal scepter was not worth my time farming. well, maybe they buff it in a few months…:-(

Draygo.9473:

They buffed the moa skill considerably. And mantras. But hey NERFS.

mantras are still too weak to use in wvw imo.a few of them can be quite nice but this is not what i have chosen to play at all. and i don’t think it is that useful in wvw with large groups involved. moa?you are kidding right?

but hey u mad a ton of builds pretty weak if not completely up if you are not running with a giant zerg. so i am forced to use builds i don’t like as they seem boring to me. plus all my hard grinded gear is absolutely useless now. Im forced to use sword and gs now and have to use focus as there is no speedbuff other than that.hmm i might rol a thief so i don’t have to work hard at all and join the mindless button 1 and 2 spamming.

but hey, we got moas and mantras now yay!

Ross Biddle.2367:

Gibson.4036:

Can we at least please increase our ability to stack other conditions to compensate for the confusion nerf?

I’m another one who has gone through the trouble and expense of kitting out completely in Rabid gear. It cost a lot more than gearing up a power build. Now I wish I hadn’t spent so much time and gold on it.

4/30 = shelved mesmer and ele

Guess I’m going to finally level a thief.

Lol, you know it’s bad when it drives someone to leveling a thief.

hahaha funny u say that i made a thief yesterday called the only class after the patch XD

Spurnshadow.3678:

Can the OP or anyone post something official on this? I still haven’t seen a link and this has riled up a lot of players, myself included.

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2guru/b/396007412

ExZee.8109:

Spurnshadow.3678:

Syn.3459:

your build shouldn’t be based solely around confusion/1 condition skill

It’s the only condition a mesmer has. Why don’t you people get this. We have some with the staff auto attack, but that is dependent on clones for damage, which are insta killed.

Ignore Syn. He hasn’t actually played a condition Mesmer and is therefore unqualified to speak against it.

yup so even i go back to my old build which was condition power vit based(and that is hurting bad as i worked really really hard for my rabid gear and ascended gear and all of it seems worthless now) my shatter that used to deal 1500k confusion dmg while shattering gets down to 750 dmg which is nothing if u see a healthbar of any character even class cannons will laugh at that.
most of the mesmer traits are based on confusion and other than that there is not many builds to choose from. I mean check spvp, there is not much diversity there.

Chopps.5047:

@Torres

Dying via confusion or retaliation were two of the most common ways players died. Many players don’t notice this because of a lack of visual cues to help alert the player to these effects (blind has a nice animation to alert the player, for example). Anet reps have said many, many times, if the game wasn’t so fast paced and/or if the death window was active (tells you what killed you), then there would be A LOT more complaining about the amout of times people died to confusion. When properly used in a zerg, confusion can be quite OP.

soooo u failed to notice the big purple cloud around your characters head?

TonyDiMeglio.5461:

And every Glamour mesmer is going to play Shatter build … own on it… and then enough r – kitten will complain and they will nerf shatter.

Lets just delete the Mesmer now shall we?

or we just faceroll them with our new “forced to have” builds and destroy them over and over and over again untill all the qq’er wish they would have never nerfed confusion as they created a monster.

(btw 6 months mesmer building and grinding and playing different builds, all with confusion though, 1700 hours playtime)

hello huge crit shatter build i hate u,but hey thats what they forced me to use now, so i can’t wait to see all those new uplevels out there and new wvw players that still got the invader title.i’ll focus on u guys as aparently that’s the reason we get this giant nerf!

oh and if there is a panda out there in future:I’ll find u!!!

Noss.4105:

selan.8354:

yes i use staff so which condition does more than nothing dmg with it?imagine a bleeding spec thief…and now thake the mesmer that speced into condition dmg…after the nerf….sooo what condtiotn are we talking about?

Pop 3 staff clones and you can put up pretty good stacks of bleeding, and burning on top of that.

oh and because there are 3 staff clones i should spec into condition dmg?Have u seen cond. mesmers in spvp?they are a joke.all of them are plain shatterers.

Entropy.4732:

TonyDiMeglio.5461:

Right? Glamour is NOT god mode. It takes a fair amount of time to learn how to master Glamour mesmer. Thats what drew me to it and thats whats going to drive me from the game. I just started figuring out all the nuances and almost have my fully ascended Condition gear… FOR WHAT? If i move to another build… ALL my gear has to be replaced. I would rather cut my nuts off than go through that many fractals, Guild missions ( please GOD no more guild missions where I am turn into a kittening duck or some kitten and have to avoid red circles), or dungeon farming.

This is really a big issue Anet needs to consider. By eliminating the condition Mesmer they are really screwing over people that farmed a ton for their condition gear. It’s not just a matter or repeccing. Even I didn’t have the patience or time to grind ascended gear. I really sympathize with what this guy’s going through. They should at least make ascended gear account bound so you can move it to another character.

account bound aint gonna change the fact, that all the grinding was for nothing as most of the mesmer builds got destroyed with that nerf. So i finally get my abyssal scepter and all that ascended gear right and i am used to condition builds so i am used to certain weapons, well bye bye all that i am forced to run shatter now and extreem glasscanon with a whole new set of weapons which i barely use. hello another 80 gold for a build i don’t wanna use but am forced to use now.

people are scarred in spvp from a condition mesmer?yeah rrriiiiiight!

just check how many condition mesmers u got in spvp..and there is your answer.

Noss.4105:

selan.8354:

Noss.4105:

And confusion isn’t the only condition mesmers can inflict.

errr which ones?i mean i havent noticed any conditions apart from confusion that does dmg that would actually help a condition build…

Have you tried staff?

yes i use staff so which condition does more than nothing dmg with it?imagine a bleeding spec thief…and now thake the mesmer that speced into condition dmg…after the nerf….sooo what condtiotn are we talking about?

Noss.4105:

And confusion isn’t the only condition mesmers can inflict.

errr which ones?i mean i havent noticed any conditions apart from confusion that does dmg that would actually help a condition build…