Not really, as soon as I hit lvl80 on a new alt, I can use all the jugs and drops of karma to spend it on exotics or just buy it with the tokens I got from dungeons. Since I have my legendary, I don’t play THAT much. Maybe 2 hours a day. Maybe 6-7 dungeon runs in a week. It is EASILY I really mean EASILY achievable to get exotic gear. I never, ever, EVER understand people complaining about gear treadmill. The few ascended items are easy to get. If you have problems, shut up and go play your casual mobile game.
Edit: You need a bit effort to achieve something, if not, games like MMOs (and honestl,y most PC and console games I played) are nothihng for you. I really can’t stand the whining anymore, it is just ridiculous.
one might say applying the attribute “only” to devoting almost 2 full work days a week to GW2 while implying that it must have been a lot more before aquiring casually mentioned 2 legendaries doesn´t make you really the go-to-guy regarding the judgement of in game timeframes. Do not misunderstand me, your playing habits are your thing and totally fine by me, I devote a lot of time to games myself, but that is hardly a reasonable perspective you have.
Speaking of perspective, why were people in rares never complaining about the vertical progression of exotics? It’s the same percentage of stat increase, same relative amount of time to acquire (remember that dungeons didn’t always give 180 tokens a day,) as ascended is now.
There were complaints about how long it took to get exotics at first, but nothing about the inherent statistical advantage exotics gave over rare-equipped or downscaled players.
Where was the outcry from WvW players? Where was the outcry from so-called casuals?
You clearly see the issue at hand thanks!
Exotics are an armor piece that people even if you only have an hour a day to play can eventually seeing getting. It will take a bit but they can see that mountain getting closer and closer.
Ascended feels like an impossibility. Instead of only having to reach 1 mountain you are ask to go to 25 different ones with Not help at all, hence you have to climb up 1, down it and rinse and repeat.
Just from doing my dailies and monthly I am aboot to get my ascended amulet w/o going out of my way. So what is your point?
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If this if your definition of racist, then I almost feel sorry. welcome to the wonderful world of profession discrimination NOT racism.
MMOs will always have those types of players. Personally, i suggest you use gw2lfg, at the minimum if someone invites you it wont kick you. Another suggestion is to join a guild or play with friends.
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The people that say silly stuff like these usually say it for 2 reasons.
1. They lack understanding real economies.
I graduated from a top 10 econ program, understood the subject better in my sleep than most of the people nosing the grindstone, and I say this game has a bad economy.
2. They are so used to all the crappy game economies that when they see one that is more similar to a real one (not to the extent of EvE). That they complain.
Similar to a real one? Must.. restrain.. laughter.
here are some examples from a real economy:
when aluminum becomes too expensive, auto manufacturers can swap to steel.
Try swapping a crystalline lodestone for a charged one and see how far that gets you.
When the price of oil skyrockets, everyone goes out drilling for more. The price of precursors is rocketing out of control, but the horrific drop rate makes volunteering to add to that supply a ludicrous option.
When you plant crops, you will, barring a horrific natural disaster or outright negligence, be able to reap what you sow. If you go to farm in GW2 you get a backpack full of porous bones.
They say this is to discourage botting, but bots don’t get tired or bored, humans do.
This, is a bad economy. So bad it, along with ANet’s insistence on swinging and missing wildly with the nerf club before even making the trait lines of half the professions in the game have the novel concept of “synergy”, discourages me from logging on.
If it makes you feel any better, I also graduate from a 10 top econ program, so I think i know a thing or 2 about economics. On the interweb, we all graduate from a top 10 econ program.
I want to add that, for someone that prides himself of graduating from a top 10 program, I have to say I am a little disappointed in your lack of reading comprehension. I did not say, it was exactly like a real economy I said it was closer, how close? I intentionally left it vague.
It doesn’t take someone from a 10 top econ program to figure out that any game where you can generate an infinite amount of something in such a such time will never replicate a real economy. I want to add that with your porus bone example, even in real life input=/=output. You can put in 10 hours worth of work and still get nothing from it, in this case grind for 10 hours and leave with porus bones.
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The people that say silly stuff like these usually say it for 2 reasons.
1. They lack understanding real economies.
2. They are so used to all the crappy game economies that when they see one that is more similar to a real one (not to the extent of EvE). That they complain.
As u know im pro. ~Tomonobu Itagaki
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No matter what the developers do, someone is going to come on the forums and whine. I remember the first 2 weeks of release before DR people ran and instance continuously got all the gear then turn around and whine how there is nothing to do.
In most games, you had to deal with lockout timers+RNG to keep you playing, initially in this game you only had to deal with getting tokens. People complain how there is no endgame aka no redoing an instance once a week for a chance to get loot that you end up having to fight with up to 3 other players IF you are unlucky.
The point being someone is always going to complain. The good thing is the people that complain are complaining about something that is not required. I got my full exotic 1 week after hitting 80 at release, that is way faster than it took me to get gear up in an MMO.
Now people are trying to say life isn’t full of RNG and that is stupid. The road you share with random people is controlled to some degree by RNG, somedays everything is nice and other days you get a person DUI. You get born as a child some improvised nation or you get born as bill gates son. In both case non of this outcome are controlled by you.
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Separate queuing doesn’t work IF you don’t have enough players. If you have millions of players like LoL then you can be more restrictive with the queuing system.
An xample is firefall (still in beta) before I coud queue and get into a PvP matching in 3 minutes, now takes up to 20 minutes to do some of the matches because they decided to split queuing. (it’s just an example of what happens when you segregate queuing in a low pop system).
And geez people what’s with the hypeboles, everything someone is going to lead the game into ruin. Just remember sometimes the best thing for the game might not be the best thing for the in the short run.
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While I am a little nervous there is no reason to freak out until we actually see what is going down. Preempted QQing only means you unnecessarily tired.
I think this is the final straw (anvil?) that broke the camel’s back. You can’t create a class with almost 100% AoE damage and then nerf AoE damage. They won’t be competitive.
ANet doesn’t know what they’re doing. If this goes through, it’s game over.
Threatening to quit a game w/o a sub, Good luck to you.
Just to add, people that usually pull stunt like these are 83% more likely to be a paying customer in the first place. So really nothing of value was lost.
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I see no mention at all about any Optimizations to come at all in 2013, you guys really like to only appeal to Intel + NVIDIA don’t you.
I hate to break it to you, but Guild wars 2 is CPU bound there is very little NVIDIA can do. Secondly, unfortunately for you, Arenanet can’t really do much about how crappy AMD crappy processors are. Lastly, guild wars 2 runs really well if you know your computers and not one of those ppl that seem to compare single player/multi player games to an MMO.
tl;dr
AMD processor and graphics are subpar to intel and nvidia. Since gw2 is cpu bound the graphics card don’t play as big of a role.
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Please, all of you take a step back and ask yourselves this question: Have you ever been in a development team for a game this size?
Anet has not only PVP to contend with, but PVE. And both are really complex beasts. Coding a product this huge isn’t a walk in a park, I’m sure you’re all smart enough to at least assume that. They can’t just say, “Hey, let’s just do it!” No, everything has to be weighted properly to ensure the players have the best experience they’ll have.
Just be patient with things for once. It’s quality over quantity. What a bunch of entitled children.
I think waiting 4+ years for the game to be developed and 5 months of sterile sPVP after launch is being more than patient.
The moral of the story is NEXT time dont wait for a game for 4 years. How long you waited is not really an issue for anybody but yourself, besides if you waited for 4 years you can wait for another few months. Just to add, how long you waited isn’t going to make the development team any faster.
Remember its just a game and if you can’t wait, maybe take a break or something.
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You’re playing it wrong OP and let the flaming commence
BTW how the hell am i playing it “wrong”? im playing it how i play any other game, to have fun and enjoy myself. Would you like to enlighten me how to play it right almighty one?
It’s as prophetsword said, you are burned out, quit the game until you actually want to log in to play. And if you never want to log in again then good on you, you are no longer wasting time on something you don’t find fun.
Hmm burned out from an MMO in a month, that’s a new one. The end game is where this game gets stale and they tried to “fix” it by bringing in new gear hence more grind right? I knew a good few people who quit just because of this simple factor who played the original guild wars with me.
Want to hear a good joke? The entire game is ‘end-game’ HAHAHAHA, did you like how so many attacked you and quoted my ‘your playing it wrong’ mindset? If they were having so much fun why would they be here ‘trying’ to defend this bug ridden game?
Oh yeah, we must play this game and only play this game, 24/7, in order to enjoy it. How did I not see this before!
You know what people do when they hate something? they don’t bother with it. Just like the OP, if you don’t find yourself enjoying the game then quit.
Why spend time on a game you seem to hate, unless you have nothing better to do with your life.
I have nothing better to do, in fact i have more fun leaving my virtual fæces all over this forum just to warn others away, i even got banned from their facebook page for deterring potential customers away /jiggity jiggity
You must be a well rounded and happy individual.
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You’re playing it wrong OP and let the flaming commence
BTW how the hell am i playing it “wrong”? im playing it how i play any other game, to have fun and enjoy myself. Would you like to enlighten me how to play it right almighty one?
It’s as prophetsword said, you are burned out, quit the game until you actually want to log in to play. And if you never want to log in again then good on you, you are no longer wasting time on something you don’t find fun.
Hmm burned out from an MMO in a month, that’s a new one. The end game is where this game gets stale and they tried to “fix” it by bringing in new gear hence more grind right? I knew a good few people who quit just because of this simple factor who played the original guild wars with me.
Want to hear a good joke? The entire game is ‘end-game’ HAHAHAHA, did you like how so many attacked you and quoted my ‘your playing it wrong’ mindset? If they were having so much fun why would they be here ‘trying’ to defend this bug ridden game?
Oh yeah, we must play this game and only play this game, 24/7, in order to enjoy it. How did I not see this before!
You know what people do when they hate something? they don’t bother with it. Just like the OP, if you don’t find yourself enjoying the game then quit.
Why spend time on a game you seem to hate, unless you have nothing better to do with your life.
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I am with you OP, it makes people like us with more disposable income can get what enough gold to cover whatever we want. If I was to farm for 18g it will take me a whole weekend and possibly even more, but with the gem to gold, it just an hour worth of work or it is the equivalent of buying 2 long island ice tea at a crappy 2 bit bar. Or is the equivalent of how much it cost to get me drunk in a bar.
Ofc, I should add that this is only good if the inflation (gold) is low.
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Not to be rude, but as much as I am mad about no updates, please don’t assume kitten. It doesn’t say or even imply anything about the elementalist being fine, so making sensationalism achieves nothing.
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WOW really magic find for a dungeon boss? So what you are saying is people should not go for armor that suit their build but just stack MF? Whose idea was that?
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Before you start complaining, how about we wait see what the patch, play it THEN start QQing. I know a lot of people want to QQ but we can all QQ together once we have some experience with?
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I hear a lot of people whining how guild wars 2 isn’t suppose to have grind. Guild wars 2 just like guild wars 1 does not have any mandatory grind i.e grind for better stats, but guild wars HAS ALWAYS had grind cosmetic items.
So if you want something that looks nice you have to work for it, if you just want max stat gear the grind is nonexistent.
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tl;dr: data centers are on different continents, latency is an issue with inter-continental connections, data center distinctions are here to stay.
EVE Online, a true PvP game, is hosted in a single server cluster in the UK, yet hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world have no latency issues connecting to that datacenter.
The separation between NA and EU is killing WvW, and ultimately your player base. Hopefully you will reconsider when you realize that the long term viability of GW2 is very much linked to how much fun players have in WvW.
And yet, you are not playing that TRUE PvP game.
The way eve function is not the same as the way guild wars 2 function. Also just to add, there is no real reason for arenanet to bother making a world server since it serves no real purpose. The nature of WvW make it so that such a thing will not work.
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Why stop at elementalist bunker. Every bunker should be nerfed. Why stop at bunker, every class cannon should be nerfed. Why stop at class canon, every class that is not the elementalist and ranger should be nerfed. Why stop there, Uskills should be nerfed and brought to the level of the rangers.
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I got bored of grinding cursed shore. I got bored of WvW zerg vs zerg. Halo 4 came out.
Maybe some of these reasons for others not playing currently?
People get bored of things all the time. If you keep doing the same thing over and over you will get bored. The difference is the game doesn’t force you to log in and you shouldn’t if you don’t want.
Anyways, as some have said, it is because the game doesn’t force you to log in. In the back of your mind, you know if you take a break you wont fall behind. In a game like WoW you have to make the best of your 15 bucks AND if you are part of a raid you pretty much HAVE to log in or chance are you will lose your spot which freezes all your progress. When I played aion, I had to log in everyday for just so I can run an instance for a chance of loot, so I can gear up for something.
One of the reason guild wars 2 has no sub is that, it doesn’t need to force you to keep playing. If you are bored take a break, go play another game and comeback when you are not bored. A game should not be a chore nor should it define your life.
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The mistake you are making is assuming that the people complaining actually understand how the legendaries work with respect to the economy overrall. The irony is w/o the mystic forge sucking out those rares and crafting material we will end up in a situation where the value of goal is extremely low.
But sadly their most of them believe a long term goal should be instantly achievable.
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That because they are were working on it. And a few days ago they said they were testing it and that they wont be doing anything until the next non-emergency patch.
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This thread is fun. It remembers me a gambling forum, there was a roulette thread where some funny guys was attempting to figure out which number repeat most so they can throw a lot of money on that number. Such of pathetic isn’t it? Well, the gambling needed for get a precursor is the same exact pathetic hope. It’s a pure random system. You can get a precursor on your 4th attempt using 16 weapons. Or noone using 4000 attempts. Do you know guys what random means?
Didn’t you see how one of the people got mad, when someone tried to explain how independent events works? What made you think, they know math. Or another example, It’s kinda like how when the weatherman says they might be a 80% chance of raining, when it doesn’t rain people get pissed.
The point being a lot of people did not take probability and so the concept of independent events is lost on them.
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@drkn.3429
You could be right but to me AS offers no real benefits that MF doesn’t offer and even better. The damage is not sufficient enough to outweight the fact that in 3 hit it still breaks while MF provides me the opportunity to heal while escaping, which in turn allow more damage overrall. Since you are can get back into the fight faster.
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It’s a compromise that works for me, because you can earn gems in-game via gold, and in pvp. Gems is a proxy that lets you acquire those BL items from either direction.
You can buy exactly how many ever gems you want. You just have to keep adjusting the amount of gold until it rounds to the number you’re looking for.
I’m not sure why they don’t have smaller units than 800 gems (or is it 400?) for sale in the cash shop.
They don’t have smaller units because logically they want you to buy more gems. That is why some of the items in the cash shop are priced in such a way that once you spend your gems in the cash shop, you pretty much have to buy another 800 games or use gold to get more.
Strategic pricing.
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Like you said, if I m slotting mist form to not die, does it make any reasonable sense to slot something that only absolves 3 hits, when I can slot something that makes me invulnerable to nearly all hits?
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It doesn’t. But then – popping Mist Form for farming or tagging mobs makes no sense whatsoever simply because it locks your weapon skills.
Getting into a group of mobs doesn’t need any blocking or invulnerability.
Popping instant AoEs doesn’t need any blocking or inv and if you do, Arcane Shield is your skill of choice mainly because it tags even MORE mobs for your phat l00t.
Getting out of a group after popping all the AoEs is as easy as proper dodging.
Mist Form is only useful when you have to be stationary and keep your cast bar up on an object or when reviving an ally, as you can start reviving, then pop Mist and keep on reviving, being invulnerable. Same goes for all interactable objects with a ‘cast bar’, like the torches in CoF3 – hit F and then pop Mist to do it the easy way.
The issue here is you are making assumptions about something YOU clearly did not understand. So let me break it out for you.
In orr, for certain DE the mobs come at you. To maximize your loot chances sometimes it is sometimes necessary to run in and catch the mobs before everyone does. A staff while a nice weapon does not provide enough damage to compensate for their sluggish nature. Fortunately, d/d does provide enough AoE based damage to tag and guarantee you loot if done properly, ofc the catch is you have to be in the face of a lot of mobs usually. The mist form is not a critical part, it just an insurance policy guaranteeing I don’t meet my maker, dying isn’t something I am fond of and it removes my luck sigil bonus.
And that is why mist for is important. If you want to make money really really fast you do DE especially grenth and the wave nature of the mobs especially at the stage after the priest is dead d/d is the best thing you can have if you are solo. A staff just sucks anyways.
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You have enough ranged AoEs not to suicide into 6+ mobs at once, especially that you can only tag 5 with one AoE spell.
So how are you doing it? Popping Mist Form, rushing into a group of 10 mobs and what? Dropping Arcane Wave to tag 5 mobs, then dodging away?
I had a whole thing written out, then I decided to erase it to ask you this one question. How does popping mist form in that manner make ANY logical sense?
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You can jump in with Arcane Shield on you, and not only survive longer, but also tag more mobs with the Arcane Shield’s blast after three blocks
Not only that! Arcane Shield doesn’t restrict you from using your weapon skills!
yes, because clearly blocking 3 attack is sufficient when you are in the middle of a zerg of 6+ mobs right?
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“The problem of Mist Form is that you’re doing something wrong in PvE if you ever need it… UNLESS in situations like CoF3.”
That’s an extremely narrow minded view to have. I use Mist form a lot when I m grinding DE because It allows me to go in, do as much damage as possible and GTFO in order to maximize MY loot chance. So no, mist form has its place in PvE. If you don’t care about getting as much as loot as possible, I suppose you might be right.
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Well played Anet. If you don’t mind when will this upcoming build take place because I keep hearing about upcoming builds but I never seem them manifest themselves.
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Erebus, I wouldn’t bother complaining about the state of eles here. Many have left the profession for other better professions, so most of the people left here are desperately holding onto the idea that ‘Eles are great and almost OP’, which is simply not true, though you’ll never be able to convince them otherwise.
Or it could be that a lot of the people here actually enjoy the profession and have no issues waiting on the elementalist for it initial buff? I might not like the state of the elementalist but that certainly wont stop me for playing mine.
If you don’t have the patience to wait it out, that’s fine but don’t act like you are better for moving on to an easier profession.
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If you are not happy with the game then quit it, here is my cynical answer.
A lot of the issues you complain about are not really issues and just come from the lack of understanding mechanics. Complexity is not the same as depth.
I do think that crafting sucks and they should be recipes that can only be acquire by a few players aka recipes that have the same amount of Work as legendaries.
I agree with most every point, although I have no issues with combat and dodging, it’s an MMO, I expect crap combat though.
If this game had a sub fee I’d never have even considered buying it.
Since there is no sub, I can’t be too hard on AN. It’s one of the best MMOs out there and it’s B2P so..
I have no reason to log in anymore though, the game is boring to me, no direction, no point, nothing to strive for.
:) If GW2 had a sub fee, I’d have cancelled it pretty quickly………………………..yet ironically, I would have paid a sub fee for GW1 (and still would if it was still being developed).
guild wars 1 would have probably failed IF it did have a sub. Guild wars 1 was a fun game at its time but compared to its competition WoW it was extremely limited and it would have been even more of a niche that it was when compared to WOW.
By that same token, guild wars 2 would have probably be designed to reflect a sub based game aka WOW with dynamic events. Personally, it would have failed also because the people that like WOW would have played it, and JUST like every mmo release after WOW then go back to WOW after a month like they usually do. The truth is a lot of MMO players just want a WOW game with better graphics, even if they wont admit it.
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Hi,
I just bought the game and downloading now. I was hoping leveling would take time and deliver lots of fun.
Is the game made to level fast (Like umm….WoW?) I hope not. :-)
I’d cancel and ask for a refund from your CC company.
For someone who has been complaining about the game for months now, I would have thought you would have moved on to something else?
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Hi,
I just bought the game and downloading now. I was hoping leveling would take time and deliver lots of fun.
Is the game made to level fast (Like umm….WoW?) I hope not. :-)
You can level with crafting to 80 that fast. The problem is that it requires you to level ALL Of the crafting which in turn requires MONEY.
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/jiggity jiggity
