Guild Wars 2

teviko.6049:

Why the hate for the longsword??

It actually has MORE damage than the shortbow on the 1* attack, has an evade, like on the short bow, and it has a poison strike like on the shortbow. Depending on your off hand (which is usually warhorn for me for the buff) you can wind up doing amazing damage.

in sPvP, I roll over people who think I am an easy class and the longsword actually does MORE damage (using QZ) than the shortbow crossfire. Only difference is that one requires you to be in melee, while the other one can be done at ranged.

People think they are so much safer at ranged than in melee, and to some extent this is true. But with signet of stone (traited…oddly, needing that 30 points into marksman tree) you can avoid a thief’s init dump, or that warrior’s 100 blades frenzy, and then pop entangle and unleash your own.

If you can’t burst down a thief in the time QZ is active, it only means you stopped using longsword 1* when he goes stealth.

That’s what i do haha it works alright. pop ur invulnerability for like 6 – 12 seconds from the traits and stone signet/protect me u need. and then entangle, QZ melee. i get 14k damage in 4 seconds, just from my sword alone. then i got poison and burning. plus pet damage if they’re immobilized without bugging out… > < but its still a gamble.

Dante Dragonhand.2538:

takatsu.9416:

Rangers are in a difficult position with ranged weapons… Have u read the threads around and done some research? I’m running pure melee lately. But that said ranged isn’t BAD. I have full berserker build and I have alot of dps an can stay alive as well. Shortbow is still fine and puts out steady good damage. Longbow is more for the skills you really can’t use it for long bc of its crappy autoattack. It’s not a power longbow sniper thing at all. Put in defensive tricks for pvp. But you really need vit for dungeons and pvp. I stay alive quite long in dungeons bc I have enough vit to go around. IMO pets are pretty useless in dungeons and pvp so don’t need BM. I don’t trait BM but my pets do fine as long as I keep an eye on pet swapping and keeping them at range bc ranged pets for tough places like dungeons can stay alive and help more. Pets will die quick regardless whether you trait them or not in pvp or dungeon so save it for yourself. But if you’re a multitasker pets can still help without being traited

Its supposed to be a burst weapon, longbow was THE burst weapon in beta along with GS, then they kitten it with 30% damage nerfs and now its practically useless aside from its knockback and aoe tickle. They need to revert that damage nerf, badly.

To the OP, if you want range, check out rifle warrior, no buggy pet to rely on and does more damage, and is more stylish if you are into guns. I for 1 love bows more but sadly longbow rangers suck and shortbow isnt my style so Im kinda waiting for ranger class to get buffed or swtor to go f2p, whichever comes first.

Haha that’s exactly what i mean. It’s no longer a power longbow sniper thing. Which is should be. The longbow def needs to be buffed. SB can be ur high rate of fire pew pew shooter but longbow should be super powerful killshot sniping weapon.

Not sure if this is already suggested or in the works, but it would be really interesting to see Dungeon instances opening up on occassion maybe after finishing certain large event chains and so forth where you can have many people in one run.

It opens up one of those portals where anyone there can enter within a certain time frame.

Inside would be probably like hell mode dungeons haha normal dungeons increased in difficulty and length. You can run it with a huge zerg but it will still be really tough.

I think that would be really fun and exciting!

Rangers are in a difficult position with ranged weapons… Have u read the threads around and done some research? I’m running pure melee lately. But that said ranged isn’t BAD. I have full berserker build and I have alot of dps an can stay alive as well. Shortbow is still fine and puts out steady good damage. Longbow is more for the skills you really can’t use it for long bc of its crappy autoattack. It’s not a power longbow sniper thing at all. Put in defensive tricks for pvp. But you really need vit for dungeons and pvp. I stay alive quite long in dungeons bc I have enough vit to go around. IMO pets are pretty useless in dungeons and pvp so don’t need BM. I don’t trait BM but my pets do fine as long as I keep an eye on pet swapping and keeping them at range bc ranged pets for tough places like dungeons can stay alive and help more. Pets will die quick regardless whether you trait them or not in pvp or dungeon so save it for yourself. But if you’re a multitasker pets can still help without being traited

Even in crucible and arah, devourers hit from the range of 900, and I constantly call it in and out of battle. It responds to me unlike what many people complain about. If return doesn’t work I switch on passive mode immediately to bring it back. In a way I make it dodge a few things here and there. Of course It still dies but not nearly as bad as ppl are complaining. Sometimes if there are enough bodies around I just keep the pet on guard until I need to send it in again. Just be flexible with situation. It’s like mad multitasking. If you can do that then your pet can work half the time

Weird. I have a similar build. Full berserker but my attack is at around 3500 and same crit rate and 16k health with some toughness. I am doing great an rarely fall. It takes a lot to take me down around the same amount when a warrior would fall too. I crit at 3200 with gs swoop, 14k if I qz sword torch or gs autoattack for 4-5 secs. Normal hits at 1200-2200 crits…. Plus all the evasion, poison , fire and tons and tons of aoe and mobility, I clear things insanely fast and seldom am in real trouble. A dodge out and heal does the trick usually. My pet also stays alive if I keep an eye on it an my wolves helps alot.

In wvw I run a shortbow, dual bows if it’s defensive, and qz sb or longbow rapid fire basically kills someone, plus or minus a few more shots or condition. Each shot crits at 1000-1500. Protect me and stone signet tricks to keep u for those vital seconds to take someone down.

I’m thinking of testing melee wvw though. If I swoop in, daze, entangle and protect me / stone signet then burst qz sword/gs for a good 4seconds for around 10-14k damage, drop some fire and poison and dodge out for sb…. I think it should take down someone quick enough?

What weapons are you using

^ @targren and others: Pets aren’t that useless. You need to choose good pets. My devourers do great for dungeons with their ranged and condition danage an evasion burrows. Wolves do great on the last game zones and in many situations including champs. Their knock downs and cripples are great and they are fast and have long range lunges.

I don’t know why people are so negative and hateful. With an eye on the pet swap and calling in and out of battle my pets don’t die if I don’t want them to and helps alot.

Pvp is a bit challenging tho. Devourer in pvp I’d say, they’ll have two of us shooting at them with condition damage at least.

Learn to pick and use ur pets well. All I can say is if you have that much trouble and complaints then u simply don’t fit the gw2 ranger style game play. It takes a lot of thinking control and strategy to be effective. Don’t expect ur pet to be invincible. If you were ur pets pet u wouldn’t last very long either in the frontline. Warriors go down in dungeons in one hit too. Everyone does. Stop expecting the impossible

That said, if you can be constructive of course there are things on the pet system that can be improved. But with th cards were dealt we can still be extremely effective. I guess players just don’t put the effort to think and work with the class.

I am feeling that with sb nerf we can rly see our melee and close range combat shine. Like it forces us to use diff stuff yes but it’s not necessarily that bad. Like condition rangers and so forth can use close range weapons as well and may be very effective. Melee has some defensive tricks and stuff to go with it that might make us effective. I think as more of us explores this we will discover some great powerful things despite our game physical / actual stat shortcomings

Does protect me take condition damage away as well? I forgot whether it does since I don’t use it that much as its more for emergency situations

i usually go greatsword for the gap close, evasion and block and daze/interrupt. it has tons of defensive tricks and also u can get it up to a lot of aoe, dps + burst dps if u really wanted to build that way. i run sword torch on a second set so once im done with gs i switch over for sword torch. hence never really needed dagger’s evasion, nor did the throw impress me. i have a cripple throw with greatsword and torch throw.

Torch. i go sword torch its a ton of fun and ton of aoe and ton of dps. clears things soooo fast.

lol theres been so many threads about this, why are we repeating ourselves haha, it would be nice to have this. bc even fall damage brings them out.

Pets don’t attack when the dragon is on a “inanimate object” mode? LOL u know the yellow name label? Like Claw of Jormag in the last phase it wont attack its head when its shielding is up. But once its down and u can target its foot, my pet rushes in for those. Same with Shatterer and Tequatl. If the feet targets are up, tequatl is all the time, my pet is attacking fine. Shatterer sometimes its out of range when it hides and does its crystal things, u cant even fire arrows at it at that point. Otherwise my pet attacks fine.

some inanimate targets do bug me however. Why doesn’t it attack one but attacks another? I think its something to do with the classification of the item/object/target behind the scenes, in code. There’s a few versions/types and pets dont attack certain ones.

I don’t think its a pure bug persay but something they overlooked. Something to do with classifications i think. I notice its consistent in not attacking certain objects. it won’t attack it and then not attack it another time.

Well, we have a higher rate of auto attack …. but that doesn’t say much still xD esp with the nerf.

yes pets can be quite useless, but in pve its still valid. However, without my pet, just my greatsword alone, I crit at 2500-3200 with one swoop, 1200-1500 per normal auto attack hit. QZ gives me 4 seconds of around 14k damage + or – 1 second. My SB crits at 1000-1300 per hit. Our damage isn’t THAT bad. And Im traited for survivability too with toughness and vit. In all honestly, i go pure melee alot recently and i prefer our melee skills and damage over warriors any day. We have a lot of evasions and smarts. I have tons of aoe and dps with my melee sets. I stay at range when i need to stay safe.

I’ve also seen good condition damage rangers, like take down 3 ppl at a time… tons of damage.

We still have a lot of issues of course and need to be fixed, but in general even without our pets we can do still some heavy damage, especially if given some time, if we stay alive with various defensive tricks we have. But my pets relatively are quite fast ( i run two wolves) with their long range lunge and knock down, and decent rate of attack, they’re alright for putting in some extra damage, but its indeed rare.

It’s not TOO BAD. But it can be improved.

oh ^ i want to talk to u xD I’m running pure melee right now and it’s doing quite well. I love GS and sword/torch and it is making me more survivable than i am with bows… my QZ gs auto attack does 14k damage in 4-5 seconds, one second slower than 100b. I’m wondering how to use my melee stuff effectively enough for pvp situations. Like i’m thinking of daze, entangle, protect me and stone signet for 6 seconds, qz burst, and sword torch, conditions, pet swap for more quickness… don’t know how long i can last meleeing another class though

This sounds interesting. I may or may not try it, but how much damage are you doing? It takes long to take things down doesnt it? Or is the pet doing heavy lifting?

i disagree i think i’m doing better melee than ranged combat. LOL i have so much dps its insane and the evasions/blocks and useful skills built in makes us more survivable than warriors in melee. I’ve enjoyed ranger melee much more than warrior melee. Thieves are a different story. But PvP… i don’t risk it with melee so i dont know XD But it’s sad because I do better melee than i do with bows…. I only use bows when its a boss i need to stay far from

Wouldn’t it be invulnerable if you’re away from something or behind something and an enemy can’t damage you? lol Isn’t that how invulnerability happens? Birds shouldn’t really be “obstructed” …at least give a different message lol and yeah, it should be considered condition damage…. that would be interesting for condition damage builds

^ lol yeah. Well my wolves are doing alright actually. they seem to be fast on their feet, attack fast, high rate of auto attacks, long range of lunge, with knock down and cripples. and when i use their howls, it takes them about 1 – 2 second for the skill to actually come out. That’s a bit slow but the wolves AI seemed to be more brilliant than some other ones. Same for devourers.

But yeah we have issues. But i’m glad to hear that you are a melee ranger too! I been running pure melee and having a blast and doing tons of dps, aoe and surviving super well. Better than i was with bows. With or without the SB nerf.

I build power precision full berserker and has been wonderful for me. I prefer ranger over warrior any day and this includes melee bc I been running pure melee lately and surviving alot better than a warrior, taking all the hits on himself without much evasion built in. my crit from one gs swoop is 2500 – 3200. My qz + gs auto attack outputs 14k damage in about 4 seconds or 5. Still bit slower than warrior 100b but our damage isn’t bad. Every hit of my 1h sword or gs is 1000 – 1500 crit on any type of armor. 1500 on lighter armor. I have like 25 power 20 precision right now, other stuff went to vit and toughness but berserker gear gives me around 50% crit.

I would go with more power and then make up precision and crit with gear and stuff

Yes ranger does not necessarily mean ranged weapons but that’s not to say that we should suck at them! XD I think that’s the point. As a hunter and able to navigate and survive in the wilderness I’d think our bows should be powerful deadly one shot kills to take down big game and beasts. Warriors should never had kill shots. That should be our thing to plan and carefully position and prepare a single kill shot. We should be able to snipe as well as our melee skills which I think are pretty accurate with all our evasion and survival smarts should be effective. But we are not specialists on anything hunting esque…

LOLLOLOL at the water gun joke thats a good one. Completely agree that we should be snipers with bows and in melee it should be fun too because we are versatile and I see some good skills that fits the ranger concept in melee too. Our niche needs to be there. Right now though seems condition rangers can do well still. Seen someone 1 v 3 with a ranger

Uhhhh I’m not sure about you but my sb does 400-800 on heavy armor with each hit. I crit at 1000 +. 1500-2000 on lighter armor. Not to say sb doesn’t have problems at all.

Thank you for this! Instead of being completely negative this is a very constructive honest clear summary and feedback. I too love the ranger. PvE is super fun and effective and the ranger shines but in pvp it lacks so much. You really can’t do something other than condition builds.

I love the condition build and the strategies you described I use to run similarly. But my build is a power precision dps full berserker build with enough vit and toughness to keep me quite long lasting

I used to open with long range similar to what you do and dodge in for sword torch fun. I love sword torch it’s just brilliant. So much damage so fast. Sb never was that prominent in my combat

I was running with longbow for a while lay down traps, vulnerability, qz barrage or rapid fire, throw torch, in for some serpent strike and bonfire, dodge out with Hornet sting, stay long range or back in for fire combo some more melee and if im in danger time to repeat, lay down trap, dodge back out for long range etc

But now I’m just going pure melee bc after getting full berserker gear I have way too much dps lmao enough that qz greatsword auto attack is basically same as warrior hundred blades 14k crit. So most of the time with normal things I just swoop and hack and slash. But if its anything more interesting…

Id swoop to gap close, daze with hilt bash (if its a smart foe like wvw), entangle so they dont move around >< and maul for bleed, qz greatsword autoattack which has great aoe in itself and by then most mobs should be down to little life. If not, Maybe use the block if necessary before dropping trap for extra aoe and switch to sword torch, and use bonfire and roll around dodging most of everything xD insane aoe and damage. If im in trouble usually duck out for a breather with hornets sting, dodge roll back and heal, throw torch switch back to greatsword and long range throw sword and by then my hp should be ok and then back in again with swoop.

I usually have at least signet of renewal to keep me alive in PvE but might switch to protect me and stone signet in place of a trap if I’m in tight situations

Going pure melee actually helped me survive even better bc of all the evasions and block and great dps. Its even better than dps I do with sb. I find while ur long range first of all ur targets mostly have long range as well and can hit u from the distance u are hitting them. As well u and ur pet have a greater area covered hence u attract more aggro from behind if u move around kiting. When I stick close with my pet in melee I find it helps more. And with bows you have limited aoe so if you are dealing with swarms which for the most part u are or vets and champs else u can really do nothing and a single target will just die. So I find that most attacks on sword sets being aoe helps clear dangerous situations easiest

I run with wolves mostly in PvE, they root the targets so well with knock downs and cripple and does a lot of damage so most things are down before we’re in trouble. The fear and chill helps as well

Ppl think ranger melee doesn’t work or it’s unconventional and ineffective but it’s really really good. I prefer ranger melee over warrior or guardian any day. Our skills are in fact very practical and useful.

Sb hasn affected me much as u can see. I only rly use sb for like dragon events or champs or dungeons if I need to stay back. Sort of like that side arm

read your other thread. this is a question of preference and style.

it really depends on what you’re aiming for. Think about what style you’d want to play? what style fits you best? I personally run power/precision, and hard dps build lol. i don’t like beating around the bush. though conditon builds are fun and effective. You could go condition and traps and long range stuff.

I am running power so mine is power shortbow. You could also go condition but with condition i think you’d be doing a lot of traps and other condition skills as well.

it all depends on what you want to do.

In the beginning i don’t think skills for survival is as important as i don’t remember having any issue with surviving or mobs throwing down lots of conditions like in Orr. So I think i went with all offensive abilities. like damage dealing combo field traps. as you progress through the game, the mobs will start throwing down some condition stuff and you will need your stun breaker lightning reflexes, signet of renewal, etc etc.

I don’t spend much time with skills regarding my pet because i’m not a pet based build. I deal damage alongside my pet, melee and long range and as such i clear mobs out fast before either of us gets in trouble.

so i left pet based skills last. protect me is a useful skill but usually i don’t need it unless im in tight situations like dungeons or pvp/wvw

ummmm hmm i have the exact OPPOSITE observations and experiences from my build. I have a ton of dps and aoe, and also built for a bit of vit and toughness. Vit i find is important, toughness doesn’t keep u alive in pve very long. warriors die around me left and right where as i can solo a swarm of mobs in Orr for example if i really wanted to, and I also do it without kiting these days since i just go pure melee with sword sets. i dont trait my pet, because i fight alongside my pet instead of wanting my pet to absorb it all. imo pets can’t be expected to do that. but we are two units instead of one and from my experience it has allowed me to survive alot of things. Warriors take all the damage and for example their greatsword skills are all offensive where as ( i mention this below)

my dps is around the same as a warrior (little less). i do the same damage as warrior’s hundred blades with my greatsword on burst QZ except one second slower. Though that doesn’t say rangers are better for dps or something. sword and other weapon skills have a ton of evasion, block, daze, and lots of control over ur skills to keep u alive. along with useful slot skills, i often stay standing for the longest in any encounter, including dungeons.

The concept of rangers is tactics and damage over time.

if i decided to kite and play it safe, i last even longer…

from experience, rangers are my favourite class. they aren’t EASY to play effectively. it’s not a simple class. people keep thinking its an easy class it’s low damage class it’s for people who casually game and play it safe but with some good builds and a good head on your shoulders, some tactical thinking and approaches, you can DO A LOT with ur ranger. our skills are very tactical, survival based and so on.

There’s so much in our arsenal not just to keep alive but to deal tons of damage over time. we can build for condition and stuff and solo swarms no problem. i’ve built for power and precision and also have ton of aoe and burst dps…. im clearing mobs no problem.

ever since the beginning of the game i’ve done that. Since the beginning levels with my ranger i can take on a few mobs 5 levels higher than me, but with a warrior i have not been able to do that instead, once you get swarmed the warrior dies quick.

i don’t see what the issue is other than that some people cant play the ranger play style and would fit better in other classes.

Lol torvarrens post gives me hope. I mean just lookit the unused asura gates in LA and all the gates blocked and guarded by NPCs. Hope there is a lot more coming

But in general what’s the dumbest thing is how I can just stand at its feet and whack it with my sword, taking no damage even when the foot steps on me xDDd

Yes this is one of the things I do quite often. When I see someone go down I kill the mob fast to get them. As well sometimes I play it risky xD like ESP with a swarm, I rush in an dps the hell out of them til they’re all low and saving my heals and stuff for after. So I go down throw rocks and get up almost immediately over and over xD kinda funny but it works cuz I can be invincible til the mob is cleared and don’t even need to heal and wait for cd but vets don’t work like that if ur soloing

guess this might be one of those sneaky stealth ways to deal with botters? so that the bot themselves will get attacked and die and can’t do it so easily…..?

lol same things have been posted over and over again in this forum. there has been threads asking for pet less rangers with huge long debates over it. most of us believe that we should not be able to go pet less, because it is a core mechanic of the class and our identity. it can be our choice to perma-stow but we should nto get compensation because it is a choice to remove one of our abilities. like if mesmers wanted to not use clones… Or u decided not to use an off hand weapon. theres no reason we should get compensation because you’re asking to change your class for the day.

pet ai is messed up indeed, but there are some ways to handle this for now.. many of us use devourers and spiders for their ranged attacks so they can keep away from instakill hits and aoe. as well they are known to be relatively tough and tankable as well as having good skills. they are also somewhat smart and knows to evade or burrow.

also its our jobs as rangers to keep an eye on the pet. pet swap before they go down. heal urself and pet when necessary. call them in and out of battle quite often when necessary.

other than that, rangers can be often the longest lasting class in a dungeon. countless times ive been the last standing. we have a ton of great skills in our arsenal to stay alive, kite and do steady damage. my build for dps and some survivability has done quite well. think of the strategies you can use and think of u and ur pet as a team not just the pet to go absorb damage bc it can’t. not even you or a warrior can in dungeons lol

^ exactly. There’s a lot of things that would be easy fixes. That’s the kind of hint iget from them ie fixing an audio bug with darth vader pets on traits and then taking it over the top with a sb nerf for no reason… This is one of those small easy fixes why not get it off the list??

LOOOLL. this would be hilarious. i wouldn’t mind an army of dogs following me

Btw, some numbers to look at. 100 blades base damage is 1624+406? something like that which is 2030 total. ranger greatsword auto attack is 203 + 203 +240 for one chain. with QZ i have around 4 full chains, which totals 2584. its around the same.

when talking to warriors, they have like 14k crit damage from 100b. I also get the same numbers from my build. Each hit of my greatsword auto attack is usually crit-ing around at least 1100-1200 on any given target. the chain has three strikes. hence x 3 = 3,600. Then i land 4 chains. = 14,400. Around there. And this is minus my pet damage. This is in 4 seconds of the QZ burst. The only reason warriors seem to have such amazing 100b attacks is that the numbers add up. But you see, I have the same amount of damage and from what my warrior friends i fight alongside tell me, i have the same dps as them when i do that.

That said, of course our sword isn’t made only for dps… so theres a lot of defensive stuff, the burst dps only lasts for 4 seconds and then needs a 48 second CD…. but hey, 14k damage is good enough for taking down an enemy if given the chance.

If you can pop your daze, immobilize with entangle (and it doesn’t bug out), protect me and stone signet for 6 seconds. and burst for 14k…. you’re good to go huh? XD switch back to bow and finish it off. but i stay too safe to try that XD maybe I shall.

Never had this rly, I’m level 80 though, I didn’t know its like that for low levels now. In high level maps the ai is smarter. I run with wolves so they knock down enemies and take aggro. I also go ahead to revive someone and send my wolf to fight it won’t draw them to me. I do a ton of damage myself so I often draw aggro but that’s fine bc my pets aren’t there to tank but to provide synergistic offense

I still name all my pets every time xp I love my pets. But this bug sucks. Also make sure they aren’t bots of course. Lol entire groups sounds like bots to me

Lol depends on ur build. With my build my gs with qz indeed steals aggro immediately and is approx the same as 100b on a berserker warrior. But the cd on qz is a lot of course so the gs ISN’T as “good” as the warriors. But is quite good enough, ESP with the smart evasions defensive tricks. For my build the gs is extremely powerful. So is 1h sword for that matter lol

yeah we are irked about how there are other issues (more important we’d think) to deal with before a random SB nerf.

However, even without the SB there are ways to be effective even in PvP. And i never thought SB was such a great weapon, there’s other things. It’s nice but not THAT great and imo it’s like the sidearm of my ranger… i’d open and use all my longbow skills + other slot skills any day and use SB as a back up for extra damage when im done with everything i needed to put down.

i love the ranger, out of all the classes i played, ranger is the most fun and versatile. adaptable in so many situations and you have skills and traits that are quite strategic and useful when you think about what you’re doing. ironically, why i think people complain about the class is because IT IS NOT A SIMPLE AND EASY class to play.

No you don’t just spam autoattack like most rangers around town do. Nor do you just spam skills. Nor do you just go burst dps. There are so many things u can use and become extremely effective. You need to use all of it together. People who don’t understand the concept of the ranger class and it’s skills complain that it’s not like a thief or a warrior, or its not fun all you do is spam autoattack.

Totally not what I do. I am the longest standing in any encounter because I use everything in my arsenal. I love ranger melee as well, its so practical and so smart. Ranger is a SMART class. It takes thinking and cleverness to use effectively. It isn’t a class about all action.

i feel so abandoned like our creators were experimenting with rangers and abandoned the project half way

Lol there’s way too many thread about the same stuff but I thought anet was giving the hint that they dealt with easy to fix problems first like ie the pet darth vader audio issue… Wouldn’t this be an easy fix? Why take so long? There’s a ton of easy fix like 1h sword locking auto attack just make it so all other skills interrupts the chain, which is what usually happens for all other weapons and skills…

Lol I use 1h sword as well. 1h sword and gs when compared deal the same amount of damage over time. I don’t have the math but I timed how long it takes to kill a specific target with either weapon. Same time. As well, u can say its not designed for dps, but that’s up to how i play. When I need it to do burst, it does burst and does it well. I love the gs for its defensive and evasion abilities. Same as 1h sword. Thats the main reason I love them. But that doesn’t mean u can’t go and put some heavy damage too. I have plenty of evasion and defensive skills for after I’m done with my qz burst. Why not? I use it when I need it. It’s also saved me countless times in Orr. I get swarmed by six mobs and I qz them all and they’re downed much faster and I can survive no problem

As well I wouldn’t go warrior. I’ve tried it and warriors DIE EASIER than ranger in melee. Warriors drop in battle around me whereas I can remain standing. Often last standing in dungeons and champs as well. Probably bc of all the defensive stuff in the sword sets. I love ranger melee. IMO its more effective than warrior in a practical sense. Im not going for pure dps I’m going for smart melee

That said, I do switch to bows when I need to for example with dungeon bosses or whatnot

I love pets first of all. Second I knew about a rangers versatility and play style. Their ability to be ranged and melee is great and are adaptable in so many situations

Leveling to 80 has been a blast, not because it is easy, but because of the build I can work with all the weapons and it’s skills and the strategie you can use. It’s a ton of fun. U can think tactically use traps, conditions, aoe, pet luring and tricks or go responsive and dps, evasions, blocks, control etc. I always went sword torch and longbow, and was constantly going in and out ranged to melee and back, jumping into fire combos, dodging around targets etc etc. a ton of strategies you can use

Recently I’ve been going dual sets, pure melee for most time, great sword and sword torch is just so much fun. In fact going melee gives me more survivability than trying to kite mobs. It has so much damage and aoe i clear out alot of targets before I am at risk. I also try going melee with champs and surprisingly works well. In my build my qz + greatsword has the approx same dps as warriors hundred blades. For harder bosses I go dual bow and keep my distance and kite.

From experience my builds and ranger skills and the fact that we are two targets have always kept me alive as the longest standing in the field whether it’s dungeons , champs or swarms. I don’t trait pets. I never needed to, they survive very well on their own and deal a lot of damage and are relatively fast. I swap them if they’re in danger and I don’t need to heal myself either.

Overall I’ve played other classes and so forth but ranger fits my style and is so versatile as I originally thought.

If you saw some of what I described there’s no way it’s not fun with ranger. Spice it up with tricks and skills whatever u feel like. Qz, protect me, entangle, etc and great weapon skills

Sb nerf has nothing on me xD since I don’t use it too much and I only use it if I need to keep distance and deliver steady damage so it’s not about dps at that point

Honestly I don’t think as rangers we should keep pew pewing only there’s a ton of other great and effective things you can do and emerge out stronger and better than u would be just auto attack on sb…

People seem to think its only about how much damage you dish. Rangers have amazing control, aoe, conditions, traps, and tons of evasion as well as invulnerability tricks that can last for 10-15 seconds. There are good ranger players out there who dominate in pvp. Talking to other classes u will always hear people saying they are scared of rangers and they have seen some crazy good rangers around. Just because you can’t use a ranger effectively and are stuck in the dps mindset, it doesn’t mean others cant use it and win.

As for dps qz and greatsword for my build is the same as a warriors hundred blades dps, but I wouldn’t do that in pvp just because there’s a lot safer and better ways to work with ur opponents

they better not. greatsword is one of my fav weapons. im running around pure melee and it’s soooo much fun and so devastating. the aoe, the dps the goodness! i’ve fought side by side with warriors and my quickening zephyr + greatsword has same dps as hundred blades. LOL. when i do that, almost always the mob aggros me… like champs… i do that and they immediately start coming after me and then ppl are asking why xD its sooo amazing XD

in terms of skills i almost always use other skills. i use the swoop to open and gap close to target. second i immediately throw down my second maul skill to put on bleed and help me kill it faster. then i do my usual chain until the other skills CD

however, if its a tough boss or player this is what i do, swoop, daze immediately so they can’t run, entangle so they’re rooted, maul, and then QZ auto attack and keep the block for when i need. i also have a sword/torch set so i switch to that if i need more evasion and condition.

i dont ever just auto attack… on any weapon at all. im always using my skills…. seriously like many ppl think ranger is just auto attack SB… which is stupid, thres alot more u can do with the ranger, and its more effective… dont get stuck on the autoattack

Ppl gotta realize if they can’t play the ranger properly in 1v1 or other pvp situations to win, then you simply either don’t understand the concept and strategies of a ranger or it just doesn’t fit ur playing style and mindset. There are people as testified here who can play ranger WELL. I’ve talked to MANY other players of other classes and most testify also that they are afraid of rangers and that they’ve seen some crazy good ones around.

Good players. Of course there are not so great players but obviously for any class it’s the good players that will show whether you can be good with it in situations or not.

There are MANY strategies you can use with the ranger. I agree that is is an exceptionally versatile class.

I have not pvp much but I know in PvE my ranger and my skillsets shines. Warriors, thieves, guardians die around me where as I can make myself the last one standing. In dungeons I’m always last one standing. And my pets actually do fine. My burst dps is also apparently the same as a warrior when I use the same weapon, great sword and qz. + we are two units = two targets, and our skills has so much control, aoe and evasion. Not to mention if u throw in ur invulnerability tricks.

I know PvE sounds like its different but it can still testify to something that I personal have been using different builds and strategies, and out shining other classes. Some rangers just go pew pew on shortbow and send their standard bear pets in. I’ve seen many rangers that die quick. But even with this PvE example u know that there are players who can’t use the ranger class and complain about it but also players who use it to its full extent and versatility

It is the same in pvp. Maybe not the same builds and strategies but u have to know there are ppl other than you, who can use a ranger effectively.

just use some reasoning perhaps, there are bound to be better players than you, whether you want to admit it or not. just because you haven’t had luck with the ranger, doesn’t mean other people cant do it. it doesnt mean the whole class is limited so its impossible just because YOU can’t.

along with that, there’s ought to be players who are better than you at reaction, responding, dodging, evading, even if it wasn’t a ranger, they might do better than you with another class. don’t let your skill and your play style create an absolute in ur mind that the ranger is impossible.

lol whats funny is the most frustrating moments are the ones where you are trying to grab screenshots at a particular scenic location and things just keep respawning even though u’ve killed them a billion times and makes it so annoying to grab a screen shot… UGH

lol, the mobs always goes after like ONE person and sticks on them, if that person is away from the zone and on the stairs then they wont go into the zone XD Actually, if you can solo the swarms, that would be best bc they all come after u XD away from the zone lolol. when theres more ppl they might rush other ppl who are standing in the zone