Just want to show you how bad the tournament system is and how all the pro’s aka people that attend sotg (they don’t invite newbies or solo que’ers, so they get bad feedback) abuse the hotjoin rank points.
Well okay its not all of them but a couple of them that want to be higher ranks than others. As you can see 2 leaderboard pictures one from today and the other from 26 days ago…
As you can see Dreamer, Synti, Doggie, Kaypud, Borisisgod, DoReMi, MRTIME all played under 5 games out of 26 days worth, the most games played was by Follidus, it shows that Team Sleepy still remains comepetitive in the NA due to still playing tournaments but I know those guys that played under 5 games don’t care about tournament system because it is indeed uncompetitive system and doesn’t really give you any fame (by announcing your on a massive winstreak to everyone in GW2 and what not) and the only fame you get in game is by being a super high rank, so I have no doubt in my mind those guys are farming hotjoins to get super high ranks.
If you see Versaint blah blah in hotjoin you’d better join his team because if you don’t your going to get farmed by him.
I don’t got anything against those guys, but it just shows how bad the current tournament system is. I’m not going to blame the leaderboards for being bad and whatnot if you fix the tournament it will fix the leaderboards. People shouldn’t just be playing 1 tournament game just to stay in top 25 on leaderboard, as of right now GW2 has the worst tournaments in history this isn’t even a tournament at all, people should be playing in a real tournament not this terrible GW2 tpvp desgin because they’re suppose competitive and fameworthy as what a tournament should be, GW1 tournaments were fameworthy, I’m not saying you gotta have same modes as GW1, I’m just saying you gotta announce it to whole game that this team won its 5th tournament in a row, note I said tournament not 5th game.
Also don’t tell me those guys been getting ready for the pax tournament because the best way to get ready for a tournament when your at there skill level is continually beat other teams in tournament games. 1 game in 26 days yahhhh somebody is just chilling on top 25, no wonder why when you lose you go down faster because most of the top 25 hardly even play at all. I have respect for team sleepy, I can see that they are playing the touraments, they continue to show they deserve and are a real top 25 leaderboard player. Also got respect for jumper, I don’t know who he playingwith but he got a 25 win streak in 26 days… That’s what I call having a good friends list and know who and who not to play with.
Theres issues with hotjoins but one of the biggest issues is extremely poor tournament design which pushes the professionals to play hotjoin games and they clearly influence good players to stack on there team so they can easily crush the newbs into never playing gw2 pvp because they are being dominated spawn after spawn game after game.
Lastly, the hotjoin farming doesn’t happen in only game like that kaypud 10v10 one (I’ve never knowed about it until now to be honest), it happens in regular games, so don’t get the confusion that it doesn’t happen in regular hotjoin games because my pics are of regular hotjoin game.
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If there needs to be a new pvp title it shouldn’t be another lame leaderboard title that no one recognizes unless they know specifically how its obtained. Like a title when you become a champ on all the professions you should get Ulitmate Fighter Champion title.
All the pro’s play with minimal special effects, if your playing to win you don’t need to see all the useless graphics that slows you down, you just need to see when your opponent goes down and when hes dead.
why shouldn’t I be able to target a stealth thief?
Because that would make stealth, as well as the whole thief class useless?
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Just like minion masters and clone mesmers, sure you know the real Mesmer from the fake one, click on him or tab your way through, it shouldn’t autotarget the correct enemy because clones aren’t what they’re suppose to be and why not just give necromancer one minior and more skills on him makes him more powerful then having a bunch to blend yourself with your minions.
I’m pretty much like you dude I come to the forums for humor, I don’t play this as much as I use to anymore, and find it hiliarious that people keep posting stuff I posted months ago about but anet doesn’t do anything, I just like to post my images of me winning in all of them really.
This game got so much potential but it clearly listens to the wrong people.
I don’t pay too much attention to all the builds and whatnot because I just adapt, but they spend way too much time on breaking and building builds than on actual game mechanics, I’ve never played a game that changes all the skills and whatnot on a monthly bases, if you ask me from what I’m getting out of all these build threads and whining, pretty much every profession is going to be able to do what another profession can do and there wont be hardly any difference in them besides the armor they wear and weapons they use.
Hotjoin mentality? I explained this like 4 weeks ago, told them to fix it on the last sotg, they aint do kitten because those players are the ones that are abusing hotjoins so they can be high ranks.
As you see in image 1 I got 591 points, the treb is everything when it comes to points on khylo, so easy to use all you do is aim it to where you see all the bright lights at (where the action is), my typical start with treb is at far point node because enemy zerg will go and cap it, then I aim it right in front of clocktower and bridge (where the enemy comes from) and time it right when they about to be in that area and just confuse the heck out of them because nobody else does what I do. Anyways when you playing against a bunch of newbs they aint going to treb anyways and with the new hotjoin system you can pick which team your on, obviously pick the team with the good players while the newbs pick random or the bad players team.
But in the other maps, it aint about doing communes and capping all day long, its about tagging as many peeps as you can and following the right people. Leave the finishing and whatever else to the people who don’t know whats going on.
Another big indicator of which team to join when a game starts is when you cant join the red team and it stays like that for 10 seconds or so… what you do is don’t join blue team and wait for someone who isn’t patience aka newb to join other team while your spamming red team because that’s the team that’s going to be farming people all day long.
This isn’t such a issue but since the introduction of custom arenas and allowing you to pick your team it has become an issue and the people that attend the sotg don’t address this because they are the ones abusing this. Before you was unable to pick your team but you could swap, which was effective but not too game breaking, but swapping only worked every now and then (have to pay very close attention to it) and it made it so you couldn’t start out the game as powerful newbie killing force.
Last thing before I go on rant, 10 v 10 games aren’t good as a 8v8 game when it comes to points… You don’t want to be in a 10v10 battle, you want your battles to be something like 6v2 6v3, 6v1, you want the edge, in 10v10 hardly anyone dies but in 8v8 game if you got newb running into 6 people, that’s 15 free points for you, keep em coming. oh and if you don’t win your games you wont get full points, as you can see in img 1 and 2, if I won game with 591 points I’d gotten a heck of a lot of rank points from that, I only notice this when you go past the rank point cap, so if you don’t get 300 or so rank point per game, don’t worry about winning so much.
Now I could do this all day long and get rank 80 when the first massive group of people get rank 80, but I just don’t see the point in it anymore, rank 50 is the last good set of armor and the armor past rank 50 just doesn’t please me, theres no real point to being a rank 80 especially when a bunch of other people will be rank 80 along with you due to how easy it is to obtain, the only thing that takes effort is spending time doing so.
I haven’t played this game in awhile, its just not that competitive, sure I’m not the best but you cant tell if I’m good or not, the ladder is terrible, put from pve don’t even know or care about how great you are because everyone is running around with champ titles and those be top 5 in leaderboard and such titles are beyond lame, theres so many titles out there just having a title doesn’t even feel that important anymore because they just hand them out to everyone.
The tournament system in this game is a joke, as well the one in GW1 was better, just being able to see 8 different teams in a game and then being notified that such and such has won all those games, that’s how a tournament should be. There should be a massive tournament and you should be able to view how its going and how bad teams have beaten each other and etc. You should have massive tournaments regardless if they are real cash tournaments and what not. There should be one once a week or everyday at certain time.
Due to bad tournament system it forces tournament players to hotjoins. I don’t think tournaments should offer more rewards, it should just be more competitive and more fame worthy where people can take note of your winnings in game (im not talking about your win/loss record im talking about current games going on right now). Should have some kind of announcement thing before matches too, I feel the team names are shown too quickly, it should also announce win streaks before match to make the other team get hyped up or something because they about to face a 50 win streak team or so.
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Are you guys talking about something like Jade Quarry General, Jade Quarry Invader, Jade Quarry Recruit, etc?
anet sucks at censoring. If you use the word “gay” they give you warnings.
If your going to consider it a bad word and people can get banned for using it, then censor it dumb kittens.
I don’t see “gay” as a bad word either. Wouldn’t be surprised if it becomes a super bad word like the N word, if you use the N word anywhere its way worse than calling somebody a mother f word b word. Don’t be surprised if they start putting the smackdown on “gay” in the near future. I got a warning for calling something (inanimate object or thing) (not anyone or offending anyone) gay.
PS: Just compare all the new pve content with the spvp one =(
PS compare PvP to WvW.
PvP 4 new maps since launch, including game modes capture the orb, using skyhammer.
WvW 0 new maps since launch, 0 new modes.
Are you sure that people are leaving anvil rock server? They maybe getting ready for the $10,000 pvp tournament and not playing WvW as much because of it. Anvil Rock is #1 NA PvP server.
dude that sucks, 5 minion masters just terrible, especially if no one calls target and you have to tab your way through all of them unless you can find the actual necro and click on him.
Like somebody said earlier you can already guest on anvil rock, this wouldn’t change anything and would be a waste of time.
The current lfg system isn’t the best because it only shows people lfg in the same zone, because of that nobody uses it. If you could go lfg anywhere people would use it.
This game relies too much on 3rd parties.
3rd party dragon timer
3rd party gwlfg.com
3rd party pvp tournaments
3rd party leaderboard that shows history and everything
all this 3rd party kitten just tells me that the developers don’t do a good job, pretty much everything they do someone else does better.
They should handover the game coding and let the 3rd party make it better in every given way.
This thread based on matchmaking/grouping? Well I bet you a 3rd party could come up with a GOOD algorthim in a day and problem solved. They wouldn’t have to come out with several “big solo que patches”.
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where does one learn the basics?
hotjoin teaches 5 man cap a node.
1 man run into 3+ people.
Yes they need this feature because of bad matchmaking GW2 has right now and the amounts of 4v5 you’ll be part of instead of raging they should just get it over with quickly.
Should be a rule if you resign within the 1st 10 seconds it doesn’t count as a loss.
I’d use that against some strong team to avoid losing 3 consecutive games to them because they shouldn’t be facing solo que in the first place.
The best way to counter this build is stunning them right when they about to heal then keep pounding them.
You can try slamming conditions on us right before we goto 25% but a good bunker engy with this trait will also have elixir c and will turn all of those into boons so you also have to deal with regen, protection and vigor. They also have low cooldown condi to boon toolbelt skills as well.
Do I think its overpowered? Nope all it takes is a thief to come in and 222222222222 /sit /sit /sit
or warrior coming in and bullcharge 100blades. /sit/sit /sit
So OP cannot solo 3 players on that point. Tough life for thief I know, but you just need to l2p and adapt.
What this guy said.
If you cant 1v3 then wait for backup. Also don’t rush in where they are strongest, as you can see if you come from the other side they are weak as well as from up top.
Strike where they are weak, avoid where they are strong.
Another thing about marks is when they are placed they go on a cooldown and if nobody runs into it, its useless. Dodge rolling through 2 marks is like dodgerolling somebody using two skills, remember that.
You can see by the image they are premade, your prob solo que and they expect you to be newb and run through all of those instead of going around.
Play smart!
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Theres always risk with pugging, more risk with 3+ guildies in same group and they have mission control.
The only way currently to secure your spot in the mission is to start it.
The only thing GW2 could do to prevent this is lock people in the mission, that way if someone gets kicked they cant be replaced by somebody’s friend or guildy at the last moment because they’ll be unable to enter the mission/quest instance. The only person that can remove you from the mission should only be yourself or a system that gives you 2 minutes to recover from disconnecting.
This is a mission/quest abuse not an abuse with partying.
Perhaps in WvW thief is best 1v1 because they can sneak up on you and built for 1v1 while everyone else in WvW is built to kill zergs so thieves have a huge advantage.
However in sPvP mesmers are the profession that rules the dueling arenas every now and then ranger or necromancer will take its place.
They just need to implement a good “looking for group”.
Theres no need for complete server overhaul, people will remain groupless, the correct fix to getting people to group is a good lfg system. There needs to be a worldwide one, not server wide and it affects all zones someone is in, because some people get tired of waiting for a pvp group and goto another zone but are still looking, but due to failure lfg system it just doesn’t work.
Solo que revisions are on the horizon guys, hang tight. I can’t give an exact date (that gets me in trouble), but it’s is on its way.
Don’t worry guys, they implemented big solo que patch a few months ago, this is solo que patch 4 coming to you soon!
Any bids on a patch 5 coming out after patch 4?
Three condition players may not even be able to take down an engineer with this trait on.
I’m sorry one person can dominate your team. Maybe you should be more diverse and have power builds as well as condi builds.
Just because rock always beats scissors doesn’t mean you gotta nerf rock because it always beats scissors.
I’m in same boat as you, I played GW1 but aint got any points. Doesn’t even register my GW1 account when I goto that website.
You have slayer and champion slayer? Do you have champion genius, illusionist, etc? Champion Brawler?
If your getting bored of achievements you can always join a tournament and have a chance to win $10,000. https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/announcing-the-guild-wars-2-invitational-and-regional-qualifying-tournaments/
WvW Tourney?
THIS. Bleh spvp. I would rather pvp with my character that’s traveled around tyria anyway
Same here. Spvp is too clinical. The maps are so straightforward it’s boring. At least in wvw you can split and run some havoc to force your enemy out of keeps / towers. In Spvp if your team holds 2/3 points you’re good to go.
One of the biggest pushing forces for pvp is the community. The pvp community has a talk with the developers about the state of the game, also they have live streams of tournaments, if anything the playerbase has been doing a lot of the pushing for the game to become esports.
They’re probably too busy working on the 9th sPvP map to work a 3rd WvW map.
Hilarious and true +1
The last 2 pvp maps (skyhammer and spirit watch) have been removed from the tpvp list, so its pretty much waste of time.
Skyhammer can become esports for sure, it requires being smart and being good. If you can outsmart/ outplay your opponent you can win even if your not better in a straight up fight.
Those other maps all it requires is skill, theres not too much smarts to it. Sure you gotta play the nodes right just like you do in skyhammer but I’m talking about outplaying your opponent in a fight.
Also theres more hype to skyhammer, more laughter as well, the other maps are just too serious, there’s no hat tricks like you see in skyhammer.
Aye it should take 50% of vote as well.
The bigger issue is matchmaking, if the game had decent matchmaking we wouldn’t see 4v5 all the time.
As I said before, people in the sotg don’t play solo que so they never address stuff like this because it doesn’t affect them.
Know whats funny, those PvE’ers are getting sick of all that free junk and never ending living story. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Too-Much-Temporary-Content-Can-Only-Harm-GW2/page/8#post2404792
Then you got PvP community demanding pvp stuff and tournaments.
If you ask me about it, I’m getting sick of the free stuff as well, I open achievement chest and I have nothing but bad looking gear to chose from. If they are going to bring out new gear/armor at least spend some time and make it look good.
I don’t mean to crush your thread, but I posted that image because I thought that, that was your team that you found/ joined.
And yes they were really good, they toke advantage of the game very quickly that’s how a good team should do when it comes to facing solo que.
A poll of 20 people that say they don’t like it many more on here say they do.
+2
Also as for templates, that would go good in pvp in general, of course everyone is going to say they need templates, regardless if its just for skyhammer.
Not sure if it was said here, but you should hide the enemies profession at the start of the game because some people do spec to take advantage of there opponents. You don’t see this too often until you get into 400 on leaderboards.
Let’s see here. this weeks match up
DB 1,927,906
MAG 1,760,681
YB 1,560,784Mag always has to face someone with 1,900,000 or higher week after week , which usually outnumbers us 3-1 at the least.
This is what makes it funnier
TC 2,025,177
SOS 1,747,918
FA 1,867,443The way I see it it should be TC/FA/DB = SOS/MAG/YB
The system is horrible.
What make makes it funnier is that, that is how it was before they brought out the new matchmaking system a month or two ago.
9 and my highest level character is 67.
My friend has 8 characters, highest level is 31…. I told him to get to 80 before he makes anymore but he didn’t and he doesn’t play anymore lol.
I guess characters really mean something to some people because to me, if I have someone level 10 and I don’t play him anymore and I want to make a different character but no slots, I’ll just delete the level 10.
I’ll trade you guys WvW developers for PvP developers.
When 10 people complain the pvp developers change something, when 100+ people complain WvW developers got the balls to say “no”.
If your a bunker engy and use automated response, if you don’t have elixir s as one of your traits then your doing it wrong.
Its not anet fault that your not 18, its not anet fault you live in some country like Bahrain.
Just because a country enforces different laws and prevents anet from inviting you its not anet fault, go argue with your country about it.
Just because you cant rent a hotel under 18 its not anet fault, its your country fault with there laws. If you want change then protest but protesting at anet will get you no where because it aint there fault.
I’ve noticed rank 1s start at 70-90%, I rarely see them in the other ‘s. Its a shame anet doesn’t force rank 1 to be 0.
If they have a choice whether to make something a pve skin or pvp skin, pve’ers are going to chose pve skin, so I know they aren’t coming here just because they got pvp skins, they don’t convert them to pvp they keep them as pve.
I just spend glory on slot bags, I’m sure everyone else does as well. The only reason I have to open chests isn’t for dyes, its for the finishers.
Also I don’t spend glory on chests every 10 ranks, I open the match win reward chests every 10 ranks because match win reward chests give out tournament stuff and rank related stuff as well except for finishers. I’m sitting on 260k glory right now and 420 match win reward chests, I’d be rank 50 by now but lack of motivation to play like I use to keeps kicking in.
Oooooh I never saw this when skyhammer was tpvp map, always had solo q vs solo q (people actually played then), now that skyhammer is gone and we got stale maps again, its back to premades wooping solo que (because these maps are stale and boring).
Totally agree with you though, a full premade shouldn’t face a solo que ever, I don’t mind facing party of 2-3 people but if its party of 4, I better have some kind of party on my team as well.
I was going to resurrect a thread about this issue from 8 days ago, but I knew sooner or later somebody would bring this up. These kinds of threads happen like everyday or two. YET never gets properly addressed in the sotg because they only have people with premades on it, theres no solo que representative. Don’t worry though next sotg will be a premade warrior and another premade guy as well, they only host the popular people, the people that are winning and don’t have issues but more big tournaments only for them so they get more money.
Aye better for people to go tpvp than be unlucky and end up in a server where newbie farming is going on.
You pretty much right though, those roamers in wvw are dangerous, I think I lost nearly all my matches 1v1 against wvw roamers, then I come to tpvp and I destroy pretty much everyone.
Currently there are only NA and EU servers, I’m sorry there are no servers for you in japan or korea. Maybe you should move to a different game if you are angry about that and come back when they have a japan or Korean server.
Because there target market is NA and EU if your not in those regions its just too bad.
They scaring those 2 guys on the tower to death, too bad there isn’t a surrender button in the tower.
+1 Bring the map back. If you want to control the cannon bring some stability. If not go camp out at B. If there is a problem with a certain class being imba then the class should be looked at not the map. By taking this away you are just saying we’ll make the whole game the same. Might as well make jumping puzzles just jumping, no extra puzzle about them.
+1
I bolded my favorite part of your quote.
Got me thinking though, speaking of jumping puzzles of just jumping and no puzzle, its kinda like Quake with no grappling hook, runes, flags. If you look at quake, they added grappling hook because deathmatch was too stale, then they added runes like strength, resistance, haste, and regen, then they added capture the flag, then it changed to weird runes like tornado, death traps, ice traps, shambler, shielding, etc. Guess out of all the modes that prevailed…. Runequake did with all its weird runes because people obviously found fun to be better than the competitive capture the flag and etc (my favorite mode was ctf and 3wave, however I did play runequake a lot but it wasn’t my favorite). Hardly anybody played straight deathmatch in quake people loved playing with runes and all these weird ways you can die instead. I’m not saying GW2 should be exactly like quake all I’m saying is its nice to have fun rather than have angry competitive face all the time. Skyhammer provides that fun and excitement, always gives me laughs when I see someone die in a weird way, especially when someone tries to fight the fears but goes through 3 fears and finally goes off cliff.
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Dude you too true.
Take pvp dailies for example, we use to have 6-7 dailies, but the community QQ’ed and now they converted back to the original 5.
We use to have skyhammer in tournament rotation but the community QQ’ed and now it doesn’t exist in tournaments.
These developers don’t have any balls, everytime the tough gets going they revert back to the old ways and don’t take any punches.
omg I have to do 1 or 2 tournaments for daily (this was the 6th way to get daily achievement point for pvp)… QQ…. How come nobody plays tournaments and I’m facing premades all the time…. Oh yeah people QQ’ed tournaments so its not attractive anymore… Oh yeah they got rid of skyhammer a really fun map, so tournaments aren’t attractive anymore.
Just so you know reverting back to the old ways wasn’t esports. Sometimes you need to have the balls to move forward and take the punches. If you know your right your right don’t let people get into your head by QQing you.
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No, I have no shame in losing rating due to poor matchmaking and solo queing anymore.
I just do hotjoins to see who the hotjoin heroes are and to see how many points I can score. So far my max is 591.
Upcoming official anet gw2 tournament, the reward is 10,000 dollars.
Its already on the pvp forums but many of you never go there so I just wanted to give you guys a heads up.
Here is the information https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/announcing-the-guild-wars-2-invitational-and-regional-qualifying-tournaments/
Why should I stick to hotjoin. Theres no point to playing hotjoin, better to play WvW instead of zergjoin, at least I get rewards for playing WvW over zergjoin.
My reason to play tpvp because it was fun, it was extremely fun when they had skyhammer but since they got rid of it, I’m having withdrawls because none of these other maps are even close to as fun as skyhammer is.
Sure owning people is fun, but watching people run off the cliff makes me laugh harder.
Since skyhammer isn’t here anymore, its back to playing against premades because a lot of people aren’t playing pvp solo que anymore.
Never faced a single premade team since they brought skyhammer, I thought it they did something to matchmaking but they didn’t, it was just that skyhammer was that fun that drawed in a lot of people and they kept playing it.
You developers and anet employees can check my matches, you can clearly see not a single full premade team (over 50 games of skyhammer) and since skyhammer is gone the last 20 games I’ve had at 5 or more of them was against a full premade and one of them was a premade way outside my leaderboard rating. You see the proof there, those whiners don’t give any proof they just give speculation.
Img below is a game that was solo que (I was at 72%) and I’m facing a team that’s in 100-200 leaderboard rating. Never seen a game like this when skyhammer was the current tpvp map.
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so one question………… how the hell are u ganna get 32 teams lol we barely have 10 teams if that
Sure aint going to be hard, I bet you I could goto JQ server and spam 10k for winning official pvp tournament and a lot of people will signup.
Its not like you gotta pay 100 dollars for entrance fee.