Guild Wars 2

Stand The Wall.6987:

saw this coming. premades have always ruined non competetive matches for any game. anet seems intent on trying to remake the whole system and not looking into history.

People just like to whine when they lose games.
If its not the premades its the match making.

Lemme tell ya, matchmaking is never going to be perfect too.

If its not matchmaking its profession x is too over powered.
Profession balance isn’t going to be perfect either.

Bunch of whiners whining when they don’t get there way.

Nothing wrong with losing to a premade every now and then, all it does is notify you, that your not the best player in the game. The best players in the game are the ones that you see beating you constantly, and them being premade helps them beat you which makes them appear as the best players in the game. Albeit, its possible to be the best thief in game, but since your solo que and you don’t win games, nobody recognizes you as the best thief even though you are, its just because your not winning games.

For example, Cruuk, he promotes himself as best thief NA, do you see him on any teams? Sure he may lose games, mainly because he’s not in a premade, but just because he loses games doesn’t mean he’s not the best thief NA.

Just because someone is part of the winning team, doesn’t make them the best at profession x.

coglin.1867:

uberkingkong.8041:

Dude you need to look at my games… Tell me why I keep getting games where I lose its -2, but all my wins are +1.

Give me some kittening +2 +3 games, tired of this losing -2 games.

I have to carry newbs solo que, I deserve +2s or +3s.

Do you have evidence that you carry other players? You presented a pic that put you in the middle of the pack

uberkingkong.8041:

Also, last game I got black screen, came back after like 40 seconds.
I deserve +2 for that, coming back to carry my team from losing.

How so? It appear that you are manufacturing a great many reasons to demand that you deserve something, but I see nothing deserving of your demands, personally.

uberkingkong.8041:

I’m carrying kittening hard, I deserve +2s, yall want to keep throwing newbs at me fine. But when I lose because my team is clueless newbs (people that don’t even understand the PvP game, not people that just suck), than yall need to be lenient because I cant carry a full team of clueless people. Clueless people by those not evening know where the home node is. Or even what a node is period.

You present pics in which you were middle of the pack. Do you have any actual evidence to support your claim?

uberkingkong.8041:

I be winning games, but when I do lose (rarely) it hurts me so kitten leaderboards, totally unfair.

Your win/lose percentage appears to discredit that claim.

Pic.
Nuff said

I be winning all day today.
Everybody scared to rank que when I’m online.
Cuz fact is, you will get owned. And I will enjoy it.

Premades?
What premades, when I ranked que, they too scared to que up too.

They probably making up lost time owning all you other people at odd hours to make themselves look good on leaderboards.

Just don’t play at odd hours, and you’ll be safe.

If you look at that pic, notice only 3 of the 25 people have better w/l than me.
Also, I solo que’d all those games too, so you have to think whether or not those 3 people solo que or not. Nuff said.

Nothing but power ranger and medi guard countering for the wins.
Yall need to learn.
Yall need to be in my games so I woop you and make you learn.

Lux.7169:

That’s a pic during off-season.

Your last season play was ~43%

Pre 16th during MMR correlation w/ LB your W/L was about 50% in solo and teams.

http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/uberkingkong8041

#gw2s-s-s-s-stalkerrrrr

Ya know kitten, I was going for all the titles. Now I have all the titles, I’m mastering 2 of the meta classes. Power ranger and Medi Guard. And lemme tell ya I’m owning people now. Nobody gives a kitten how I did back then, its all about the present and people too scared to rank que when I’m rank queing.

Oh ya, and you see my other toons, I was also doing the daily on ranked. I don’t do that crap anymore, its like you lose 5 games before you win a game and get your daily. Such waste of time. Especially when other professions are terrible compared to playing a power ranger and medi guard and easily winning. Lemme tell ya, engy was the hardest to get a win with too, I play get in your face type builds, not no turrets and rely on them type builds. My main was engy, SUMO engy. got nerfed, so don’t gimme that ‘ooh your a champ genius but you suck at engy’ crap. Its like when I played necro, it was during the fear meta, got nerfed, so of course I don’t play necro that good anymore. The last profession to play was guard, hence why I like guard, and first few was ele thief, and guess what, thieves don’t own eles in tick tick tick anymore (as in, ooh thieves killed me in 2 seconds, nerf them badly), and eles lots have changed. So course I’m not that good at them anymore because they game changes too dang much. Some changes were not needed like the ar nerf by 50% (HUUUUGE nerf), totally uncalled for.

Back to my record sometime ago, and my record now… Its like saying , Supcutie, acandis, shan, zombify, and whoever was the 5th (davinci?), are the best players (first team to win whatever tournament that was that started the #esports. But that was way back then and its not the present (notice how none of those abjured folks are in it, and you hear all this talk about “oooh we been around and been the best forever”, kitten pls). I heard, everyone was aware the name ostrich eggs, zoose, hman and caed before any of those abjured folks.. Oh sure I hear tiny talk about 5g and backpack, but had no clue who they were. Cruuk still around and I known cruuk before those guys too. If I wanted to see a thief I’d look at caed, if I wanted to see an engy, I’d look at ostrich, if I wanted to see an ele I’d look at zoose. Notice how they aint abjured, yet everyone looks up to those guys in there professions.

Perfect topic to put my information down.

My input on clicking (I’d make my own thread but I cant lol)

*This game needs something similar to WvW que, where you que ONCE you wait in line, none of this 200th person to start spamming join in sparkfly fen got lucky and gets into sparkfly fen while the other 199 people have been spamming that kittening join in sparkfly fen button for 30 mins.

I should only have to press join in sparkfly fen ONCE and than it puts me into que. I got way better things to be doing than spamming some stupid kitten join in sparkfly fen button.

Why this que system is only in WvW is beyond me.

These developers need to work TOGETHER.

Because ya know what. EVEN the PvP system is just as bad as the PvE system.
It’s like the PvE developer, the PvP developer, and the WvW developer are all on different pages, they don’t even communicate to one another is what it seems like.

Lemme tell ya, WvW developer has it right with the que system, the PvP and PvE developers, they need to take notes…

Implement this que system like now… I really hate spamming that join button, and I’m sure several others hate spamming it too.

I have no problems with event being in open world, I just have problems with spamming that button and people that get lucky and get into the world on first try while I’ve been spamming it for 30 mins. kittening unfair.*

Yes this is totally related to topic, too much kitten clicking.

Solstice.1097:

2 medi guard and 3 ranger should be the new meta according to you.

except that you wont be able to hold a point for 10 seconds.

Not every game is about having a bunker, its about owning people and finishing them.
That’s why theres 2 medi guards because they the in your face players. And yes they are perfectly capable of holding nodes.

Thinking about abjured comp, they probably do a lot of condi’s and ya know what, medi guards eat condi’s, all it does is make them meaner.

Eurantien.4632:

You don’t REALLY need to be able to hold a point if you just kill people fast enough and this does fit into my idea that a perfectly played zerker comp would be the best theoretical comp. However, it is only that, theoretical. There aren’t players at the moment who can pull it off. To illustrate this we could ask what 3 power rangers would you put on that team?

You right but rarely works against good players, and most of times there’s some urgency to hold the node, cant always give it up to win the fight.
Raplion and you are power rangers, kirito plays ranger too I think, oh and you got mila storm, (acandis?, Joshua z?). I play both power and medi because every other class not that great. Stunningstyles can play medi, and I’d say davinci, but he’s turned thief is what it looks like. You’ll have harder time finding a medi guardian, nobody plays that anymore, and its totally underrated.
Why on earth do you go from guard to thief, guardian too good, stupid to go thief, theres enough good thief players around, that they don’t get used up because thief isnt really a must have, its just nice, but other classes can do same and better like a medi guard.

Not like thief is back in the old days, pop on an ele tick tick, ele drops dead. If that was the case, I bet caed would be enjoying fighting the abjured ele’s, but noooooope.

If anet developers do anything, I’d like to see the return of the 100b. The return of the 100b would totally wrekt the abjured comp, no questions asked.

However anet, prefers AI and pew pew. Hence you need them power rangers. Medi guard is too underated, anet doesn’t know how good they are right now.

Also, the return of Automated Response 100%. Bring back sumo engies. This game really does need more variety, kinda sad that I can play only 2 things and pretty much dominate. Needs more variety.

Don’t listen to guy below me, trying to do a thief vs thief battle does nothing. You gotta look at the big picture, if your thief wins, can he beat the ele and engy?
Like I said, thief isn’t what it use to be. Go with a medi guard instead of a thief.

Already told you how easy it is to own thieves with medi guard. Plus medi guard can damage control and stomp, and give team some healing and dps and block an attack.
Thief, just kills another thief and decaps the far node, pretty much it, worthless. Play as a team to win, not as indidualist, aka using a thief to go solo the map while the rest of your team plays as a team. You need everyone playing as a team.

What you do is like on forest. Send me do guard far at start power home rest mid. Me do guard far owns toker on the beach if he’s crossing. If not rush and teleport on a teammate of theres to slow him down and make him annoyed. Proceed to far node and fight 1v2 or 1v1. Point is to disrupt there rotation and win mid. Obviously other me do tanks mid and power ranger home moves to support mid. After that guy far should die and have him watch home. Play home and mid rest of game. Go far to decap only but never to fight. Stay teamed you counter them they outta rptation and you win. Toker useless in big team fight. All you do is let ae from medi own him. And burst him pew pew when you see him. Hes gonna be the reason your team rallies from winning downed game.

Solstice.1097:

Eurantien.4632:

Good players that do ranged damage are lightly hindered by “people up close”.

another alternative is having a thief comparable to toker to mirror him.

it keeps coming back to player skill though.

Yall keep talking about mirroring. that’s just dumb.
To beat toker, just get a medi guard.
Simple,
Divine intervention on his kitten , gs 2, 4, 3, than 5. He’ll probably try invis someplace, fart real quick with that condi cleanse damage skill, switch to scept and put a 2 on his kitten , you see him put a 3 on his kitten , gs 3 on him 2.

You save the condi cleanse and stunbreaker skill for his opening stun venom attack, you can use the 2nd guard skill too, it breaks stun. Medi guards crazy good at holding off enemies and dealing damage, yall dumb to not use them.

Let him bleed so he gets back in game slower.

Only thing is, his necro buddy likes to help. And that’s where you need a power ranger, kittening pew pew the kitten out of the necro, let the guard own toker. Guardian can handle both necro and thief on him AND down the thief. If he cant, that guardian is a newb. He just cant finish em when its 1v2, so ya gotta play as a TEAM.

That’s how they win, they play as a TEAM.

Yall play as gotta mirror, no team, just bs.

Medi guard and ranger only team would own that team.
If they got 2 eles 2 engies and thief.
That means you go 2 medi’s and 3 rangers.

None of that condi crap ranger, that’s junk build. You go power ranger, that’s a real build.

Yall so focused on gotta condi, the engies and thief, kitten pls, don’t need condi, burst them the kitten down and win the downed game.
Medi guards are good at winning downed games.

Yall need to learn to play too, if thief bothering u as a ranger, it should be even fight.
Only time its difficult for a power ranger is when he has to hold a node and its against something like a turret engineer.

Yes power ranger can hold node, but they shouldn’t be left alone to 1v1, yall need to keep it by creating teamfights. Medi and ranger is strictly a team fight comp, yes they can 1v1, buts its best if you play as a team and don’t try to force 1v1. Also, if they are trying to get set up, this comp also good at toying with them and breaking there rhythm. Nothing beats a medi guard teleporting thru the walls onto you and owning you. Gotta love them medi guards.

Stop being individualists and win team fights, stop trying to 1v1 them. If ya 1v1 them, make sure its on YOUR terms, not a 1v1 on your node as a power ranger while turret engy brings all his turrets right next to you and you have to fight him.

If they use turret engy, after you kill the turret engy… get your power ranger at the turret engy (enemy) spawn area and kitten him up while he runs to his node or spot and pressure him and BEFORE he can get set up to drop his turrets. FORCE him to drop turrets in a bad spot.

kittening newbs. ez win, yall just individualists. that’s why u lose. There classes are invidualist classes, I bet they enjoy forcing you to fight where they want you to fight because your dumb.

ya wanna beat them, you play as a team, and don’t try to pick em 1v1, because that’s where you lose. They probably make you 1v1 them because there teamfights aren’t as strong.

ESL site needs to work, cant find previous games, cant see current teams WITHOUT click on an upcoming tournament, so much cannot do. And if you can do all that stuff, than the navigation is kittening terrible because I cannot find it and I’m a computer techy type of person. Predicted ping bombs before everyone else did and what not. If I cant figure out ESL site, than your average joe will not figure it out. Poorly made site.
Makes me RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE just thinking about that site.

Dude you need to look at my games… Tell me why I keep getting games where I lose its -2, but all my wins are +1.

Give me some kittening +2 +3 games, tired of this losing -2 games.

I have to carry newbs solo que, I deserve +2s or +3s.

Also, last game I got black screen, came back after like 40 seconds.
I deserve +2 for that, coming back to carry my team from losing.

I’m carrying kittening hard, I deserve +2s, yall want to keep throwing newbs at me fine. But when I lose because my team is clueless newbs (people that don’t even understand the PvP game, not people that just suck), than yall need to be lenient because I cant carry a full team of clueless people. Clueless people by those not evening know where the home node is. Or even what a node is period.

I be winning games, but when I do lose (rarely) it hurts me so kitten leaderboards, totally unfair.

See image, my screen went black for some reason during that match. Very odd, I think I took dishonor because of it, came back and went HAM on the other team.

mistsim.2748:

I usually leave to go play Dota 2 or Heroes of the Storm if my queue is longer than 7-ish minutes. I don’t mind the current meta at the lower level of matchmaking since there aren’t enough good cele abusers out there to make me “ragequit”. turret engie cheese doesn’t anger me at all since the builds I happen to play counterplay that. ive also begun entering soloq with the mentality that ive already lost the game, which allows me to not cuss out my teammates and have some fun instead.

be nice to people guys. degrading someone definitely wont teach them a lesson, or make them into better players. even asking them politely or commenting on their builds is unnecessary. it’s soloq and people who play whatever and however they want. simple as that. if you want them to learn, inspire them or wait for them to ask.

Ahhh, so you enter games thinking you lost already and all nice to people huh?

Me…. same way.

NOT.

I enter games, I play to win, I come in expecting to win, I expect everyone else to be a newb compared to me.
I look at the other team, and switch to counter them.
I than let all the people on the other team I counter KNOW, they gonna get there kitten wooped.
Also, if theres one guy like an engy on the other team and I counter all the other players on that team by playing medi guard, and I have a ranger on my team. I let everyone know that my ranger BEST be a power ranger to counter the engy, because if he playing something other than power ranger, than hes doing it wrong.

Same with engies on my team. I let everyone know that my engy best be a turret engy because every other engy is garbage.

If they aint a turret engy and I see them getting wooped. I let them KNOW they should’ve played turret engy.

This game wants to make it all about serious, and all about winning. Hence I play all serious and all about winning.

Those fun 8v8 days, not about winning, just about having fun following zerg and tagging and what not, having fun trying to get a crazy high personal score…. Those days all gone, the development teams prefers smaller scale, more serious (play to win, you get points/ rewards based on W/L not about having fun and enjoying game), type of games now, so I’ll play to what the development team wants.

Expect RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE when you play games with me, cuz we gotta win, all day all night. Nobody got time for people playing junkie builds, only play builds that GW2 developers expect to win, turret engies, medi guards and power rangers. Bunkery warriors and eles too if you are good at them. Nobody got time to lose games because you played a junk build. Theres no more fun in this game, nothing but serious nowdays.

After i win a bunch of matches solo Que all day than seeing no good players playing, logoff.

All the good players too scared to rank que when im online. No fun playing with news, i want to screenshot me finishing good players.

Lemme tell ya something.
From what I remember from this fight (look at pic)
Ya we lost but I was kitten those necros, and the thief would come in to help.
I’d kitten that thief and the necros come in and help.

Ya’ll underestimate the medi guardian.

If I was to make a team myself and everyone was to join, and we just wanted to beat abjured, it’d be something like me, Stunningstyles, Raplion, Pink Puma, and Nymph as guardian.

That kind of team would own abjured. And if we lost 1st round due to engies not dying… All I gotta do is switch to my power ranger and BAM those engies, backpack and chaith, dead meat. PEW PEW em all day.

Force them to fight where I want to fight, you don’t let your enemies force you to fight where they want to fight.

Ya’ll underestimate guardians too, yall need to be playing the medi guardian. Serious easy to own thieves necros and mesmers on medi guardian (That’s like half of abjured).

Oh and I believe it would make a good stream, I could see nymph getting excited owning abjured thief and necros.

to beat the eles you play power ranger.
to beat the thieves you play medi guardian

simple simple

Want to own noscoc, play a medi guardian
Want to own toker, play a medi guardian
Want to own phantaram, play a power ranger
Want to own backpack, play a power ranger

I swear if I was really invested into this game, I’d win wts ez pz, counter counter counter.

Want to win? Counter the other team.
If ESL was solo que able I’d be collecting a lot of cash. I counter half of abjured with medi guard.

Coincidence that no other team uses medi guard? They just don’t like to counter, they think playing a class that doesn’t counter really good is better than playing a class that counters.

That ESL site, needs some working on it too. You cant look at the teams from the main page.
All it shows is upcoming games and hardly has any teams listed.
So confusing to navigate, I don’t waste my time anymore.

They don’t make websites like that like they use too, back in the days, they use to be so easy to navigate PLUS they’d have music. You hardly find any websites with music in the background anymore.

They just don’t do stuff like they do back in the days anymore.

All the matches are the same.
I que ranked.
High chances of me having newbs on my team.
High chances of enemy team having newbs.

I say instant que it, no need to make me wait so long, I get que’d with newbs anyways.
Btw, I’ve won like 20+ games and lost only 4 games solo que recently (anet decides my mmr too high stacks the biggest newbs on my team while the newbs that played a few games and kinda know what to do on the other team to balance it, hence my team runs around clueless and we lose, hence 4 losses, anet expects me to carry 4 clueless people against newbs but one can only do so much, I just need 1 guy with a clue that’s all). Than I get hit with a -2 every sticking time, never get any games with a +2 or +3 anymore.

Where are all the good players at yo?

Blair.3796:

So, to summarize:

23. If there’s a team fight at mid, full cap far. Every time.

This is the main reason why games are either lost or won, especially true in solo que.

I gotta teach all yall something because I keep getting idiots who don’t understand.

When you start match, both teams cap home and normally 4v4 at mid.

Well, after the people at home cap they go mid.

5v5 now.

If you got a teammate that has strong urge to go far and full cap…

This is what happens. Your left with 4v5.
Due to 4v5 your team will start to lose (around the time that teammate of yours gets the far node neuted).

After a few seconds your team realizes they’re losing (due to losing the downed state game, enemy finishing rather than your team) and starts to bail mid.
You full cap far.

Now the people at mid come and kitten you up at far or chase your teammates around.

Your team is now in a state of something called “out of rotation”.

Thanks to your efforts to FULL cap far instead of neuting it and running back to support your team, you have caused your team the game.

Because coming back from being out of rotation is very difficult.

So all in all.

Never full cap far, always neut it and go back and help your team, because its going to get recapped by the enemy anyways and all your doing is hurting your team with the teamfights.

Just because a node is open, oooh ya its nice to full cap….

In the meantime, your team is getting owned and you think your contributing.

Yup. All you contribute to is your team losing all the fights elsewhere because they ’could’ve used you’. Like the enemy just had 10% hp left and all you had to do was show up. The enemy has 2 guys downed and 2 of your guys are downed but they have 2v1 upstate and therefore win it… When you could’ve came in with all your cooldowns ready and stomp.

Stop kittening full capping far, if situation doesn’t require it. Greedy motherkitteners lose games.

Turret engies aren’t good, all you do is when you kill em, you camp the spawn entrance and dps them while they run to a node and get set up.

You force them to fight where they do not want to fight.
You DO NOT let them force you to fight where they want you to fight.

You want turret engies dead?
And you have to fight where they want to fight at?
You need to be a Mesmer, necromancer or ranger then.

If you are neither and your fighting where they want you to fight. Well than GG, yes they will own 2 of u or even 3 of u too.

I enjoy killing turret engies, and then spawn camping them, not giving kitten about what my team is doing. I love torturing turret engies.

Necro.
Just pop in lich form right away and watch people drop and bow to your knees.
Playing a necro is just as easy as it is to own any country.
Just drop a big ol atom bomb, the people either run or get owned.

Necro same deal, pop lich form, people get owned or they run away.

0 skill required, all u do is pop lich form and that’s that.

Mogar.9216:

you can get bad match making in streaks. It really does come in streaks. I find the best way is to take a 10 min break and reque so you are not in sync with the bad batch of ppl . I solo Q close to 100% of the time. 50% win rate in the long run is not hard.

What this guy said,
I was just on a 13 game win streak solo que, than all sudden I get put with crap teammates (I thought the more I win the better people I play with, apparently not.. If anything it puts me with worse teammates vs harder foes, stupid kitten logic, handicapping me isn’t fun) lose 2 games and win 1 game and lose another than I stopped.

One thing you should do too is make another toon pvp ready. If you play Mesmer I assume you own warriors eles and engies. But thieves, mesmers, necros, guardian, ranger give you an issue. So you need to make a class that counters those, because some games your going to face a team with nothing but people that counter you and if you just play your Mesmer and nothing else, your not going to do that good, especially when your entire team is countered too.

Best bet is to have 2 toons PvP battle tested and ready. Look at the enemy team, if they got 3 of something you switch and counter it.

But yes some games you’ll have just the stupidest teammates. Like for example, I was on temple map, theres 2 enemies at bottom buff, and me and someone else down there too… We are winning the fight and all, get 1 guy downed and finish. So its 2v1 now… But my kittening other teammates decide to come down too, to turn it into a 5v1….. Such a stupid move on them, clearly u see on map just 1 enemy down there, no reason why all of my teammates have to come kitten 1 dude. All in all, we get that bottom buff, they decap us so fast, wasn’t even worth it and we lost because of that.

Than you know those games where you got a thief or somebody that’s fast, well you inform them that a node is open so go decap it… They go fight off point.
Than you got those people that like to range everything, 2v2 fight, I take someone down, I go down, I take the other guy down, my teammate just stands there ranging them down. I die, he gets his kitten wooped after. Gives me some stupid excuse that he’s too squishy or something. Hes a Mesmer, kittening finish and use distorting kittening newb. I told him that and he’s like “don’t tell me how to play my class”… kitten I’m a champ Mesmer, champ everything.

So yeah, I got my 13 win streak from countering other team, but than I lost because you know, just have a full team of people that…. words cant describe. Believe me I been on massive losing streaks too, so I feel your pain.

One other thing, a lot of times this is very hard, but your team will put you into a position that your not suppose to be in, like power ranger trying to bunker a node against a shoutbow warrior. While your team has 2 bunkers or so fighting at mid. This is what is called bad matchup. Which what happens is your 2 bunkers get owned, one of the enemies come to your home and 2v1 ur power ranger and win. However, if one of your kittening bunkers came to help, and u win home, you not only won home but you can advance towards the 1v2 at mid, which your teammate is probably going to die, but now its a 2v2 and you have a safe node.
Point was, sometimes you get caught up doing something your not suppose to be doing, because power ranger isn’t suppose to hold a node against someone like a shoutbow. They need space to move around. I believe this is how one of the best teams lost a game too, it was at temple match, and all sudden they had bad matchups everywhere and they lost from being up like 200 points.

A lot people just have terrible map awareness too, and too stubborn to listen to people with good map awareness.

dude wtf, I gotta wait 3600 seconds to post?
That’s kittening 60 mins.
People enjoy my posts because they the kittening truth, aint no kitten kissing in my posts.

Played 30 games so far…
None of them was against a team.

If anything the premade/ people teaming up population has dwindled.

What I think the point of removing the solo que is that it encourages people to party up and thus partying up is better chance at winning.

Yet, there is hardly any teams left, hardly any people left. It’s no wonder why in ESL Abjured wins all the games, they pretty much all that’s left.

This game really needs something to encourage the playerbase to party up. Perhaps double reward track bonus for a full party of people.
Also, the fact theres really no point in partying up. Its not like there’s a real tournament going on with big prizes (I’m talking in game), or recognition for winning the tournament… Like GW1 did.

Lets be real, if you can go all day winning games consecutively , you should be earning gold faster than those that do gold farms all day.

So the kite you can get through the game, specifically the dry top kites.

My thoughts on them is that they should NOT take away the other skills.
I go through places faster with my weapon skills than while just holding a kite.

Also, I really hate it when a mob slaps you and your kite disappears. Don’t understand how this was intended for dry top when there’s mobs everywhere that range hit you.

See this thread got so many views,

Developers, people want there to be a way to grind gold via PvP.

Should make it extra not by 5 points, but by like 50 points per top player achievement.
Should also get 5 extra silver per top player achievement.

There should be ways to grind gold in PvP, you should make there ways to do that developers.

Like ACTUAL kittening tournaments. Not ESL crap, you gotta do too much paperwork for that crap. I hate kittening paper work. I want ways IN GAME to make money via PvP and tournaments is a way.

Winning consecutively by playing back to back and you only get like 15 min timer break inbetween games before your streak runs out and you restart, (not counting waiting in que).

Should stack from 15 silver to 30 silver to 60 silver to 1g and cap at 1g a win. Also stack that reward track progress. Like 15% 17% 20% 25%.

Maybe just give out kittening flat out a rare or exotic for daily CONSEQUETIVE wins. None of this “hey we don’t like your tone, hence we putting on you an imaginary -150% magic find on your kitten , good luck getting rares and exotics pal.”

Take out that guardian winner bullkitten and put in Play ranked and win consequetively 3 times. PUT in a HEFTY reward too (equivalent to daily triple trouble and tequatl).

Don’t gimme that its impossible.
Triple Trouble for PvE is kittening hard as kitten, I’d compare winning 3 times in a row like tequatl in PvE (need some structure to win), 5 times in a row like winning a Triple Trouble (even fully voiced, full maps entire map dedicated to the event, people will fail that kitten, not saying nerf it, but that’s how hard it is, and yes I’ve been apart of the TTS Triple Trouble squads before, I know how hard it is even for most structured squads.).

You PvP developers better know what Tequatl and Triple Trouble is too.

Ummm. Ya know I’m not talking about PvE champ bags.
Told ya I did a whole reward track (saved up on those reward track potions and used them all).

Yes, the rule of large numbers makes my sample size bad, but serious??? Not a single kitten rare (those aren’t that hard to get), exotic I can understand its a lot more luck.

But friggin CHAMP boxes, and not a rare with that mf buff. And no I don’t have 1% mf normal I have 117%.

Again CHAMP kittening boxes and not a rare. I thought they did something where you open anything CHAMP you get a minimal a rare.

I’d rather have a 100% gold increase than the stupid 100% fake kitten magic find. 100% gold at least you can tell your not getting gipped and can EASILY tell if its working.

100% gold from PvP, BIG DEAL, theres other better farming spots for those crazy gold farming type people. BIG DEAL its only 1 time a day. Just ONE day that PvP is the thing to do.

Oh and don’t even mention that match win reward chests and glory was notified to me.
I LEFT well before that, and CAME BACK pretty much the week AFTER it was officially gone. Coincidence.

I should be reward for coming back. I should be warmly WELCOMED BACK.

Not bend over kitten, Its kittening time. Welcome Back kitten.

Somehow this reminds me of Rush Hour 2 or 3.
They goto Paris, and get welcomed by getting fingered up the kitten . Welcome to Paris kitten.

As far as my match win reward chests goes. They like tortured me with those. As in letting them remain in my bank. But I take out a stash because I like to tell people that I’M the BEST. And I logged off and logged back in and POOF that stash in my inventory VANISHED. had another stash in bank. Being smart person I am I know that the other stash will vanish if I take it out of bank, but I do it anyways to make a point on the forums. Took that stash out and showed everybody how my kitten goes gone gone.

Those developers laughed there kitten off, didn’t do kitten about it.
Just like my Permanent Finisher. I submitted a bug report about getting a Snowman Finisher but I already have that unlocked. They wont change it out for a Snow Globe. They just laughing there kitten off at me right. Pretty much like the 100% mf buff. They only did it so I don’t stack 250 on exotic hero chests, got me to use them and complete a reward track, and gave me nothing But JACK kitten. Not even 1 rare or exotic. They just like to laugh there kitten off at me.

Oh ya, I forgot to mention, they gave everyone a 50% mf start.
I didn’t get that kitten. I had to start at 1%.
Anet way of robbing you blind and not giving you kitten and making you have to work for everything while everyone else gets practically free stuff handed to them.

I come back.
“Hey uberkingkong, we took all your kitten, your 1 year worth of farming, and your 600 PvP games WON rewards chest, but that’s not all, you wont be getting free boost in mf like others, we want you to work on it the peasant way and start at 1%”

holodoc.5748:

Before GW2 even thinks about going serious with the whole sSports story it needs to resolve some serious issues. Two that come on top of my mind is a terrible target selection system, which was just copied from the original game, and the overall complexity which is simply not fun to watch.

You don’t like watching people die from condi’s?

Do you want to watch people get 100b instead?

That ‘Call of the Mists’ buff for magic find is off.

I opened 10 champion boxes, and even the glided coffers…

Lemme tell ya something..

Not a single rare or exotic.

What a slap to the face GW2 gives me.
Takes away all 500,000 my glory.
Takes away my 500+ match win reward chests.
Have never gotten anything close to a precursor.

NinjaWursti.9627:

Please finally add a save feature for our pvp builds (weapons, sigils, accessories and traits; or at least everything except the weapons). It’s really overdue. This would help trying out different builds as you can easily go back to your old one and switch back and forth between your builds with only a click instead of manually changing each and every aspect, searching for the right things again out of so many.

I really don’t understand how you couldn’t implement this already.
Top priority in my opinion.

As it is, it’s uncomfortable, unrewarding and no fun.

Funny I just mentioned this in another thread.
Lemme tell ya though, a developer a year ago mentioned that if putting something like this in game would be good for the game. Everybody in that sotg agreed it would be….

No idea where that developer or those other guys went. All I know is they left something called PvP builds. Pretty much EXACTLY the same as the hero screen, I’m pretty sure there was more intended too it, but those developers… Vanished.

It’s like the idea was too good, it would make this game so much better, that the head honcho didn’t want this game to be so good so they made those developers vanish.

I think though, if people keep promoting this, that the new guy in town will bring it up and maybe do something. Maybe not, he may very well vanish too!

Gotta get the word out to the head honcho, the guy who tells the developer what to do. Not sure who the GW2 head honcho is, but for Sony its Smedley.

Gotta get to his research marketing team too, if you post a lot of this there marketing team will take note and tell the head honcho about the data revealing lots of players want a build save feature and leave it up to the head honcho to decide if he wants this to happen or not. THAN if he does want it, the developer can go in and BAM, #DONESON.

ESL isn’t arenanet,

Arenanet is just showing support for the people that do run the ESL.

It’s nice to see arenanet support other organizations that help promote GW2.

However, your right, GW2 system itself sucks kitten . You’re right about mostly solo que players in the que system. They need to create incentives to party the kitten up.

They need to create real in game tournaments.
GW1 had real in game tournaments.

It’s just these developers, they like to think that there new idea is BETTER than the original idea… All it does is make them 1 small step forward and one GIANT leap back.

The community does more work than these GW2 developers lol.

Simple stuff like unlimited amount of spectators in a game.
Simple stuff like being able to hotkey a complete build change (go from medi guard to ah guardian and back with a push of a button).
Simple stuff like structuring the tournaments so they are more tournament like (not some stupid play against another team and then que again).

All that simple stuff, I bet if you gave it to the community…. BAM done, #GETSUM lazy kitten developer.

For all you old timer video game players, you remember Quake. Well guess what, the multiplayer portion of that game was made 5 stars like because player made invention (mod/don’t have to download anything kind of mod), that came out pretty quick too.
It is called the Grappling Hook. Every multiplayer game since, (99%) all have grappling hooks, even though that was never part of the original game and those developers didn’t even think of it.

You know why Quake isn’t around anymore? Because those developers didn’t follow the original idea, they went with new idea Quake 2, and Quake 3 and 4 based off Quake 2. If they’d stay with Quake, that game would crush all those other FPS games.
Point is, some random person made something for the game and it pretty much made that game a hell of a lot better. Quake is the god father of gamers that bot too, godfather of FPS Multiplayer. 5 star underrated game.

GW2 developers need to make something like this.

Stop wasting time on 2v2 3v3 arenas and spend time on something fun like this!

OEggs always been an outcast on good teams.

When he does get on good teams… He wins WTS.

If OEggs wasn’t in Abjured during WTS, TCG would have won.

Abjured realized that how much was at stake and they got rid of weak link for a strong link like OEggs.

All other teams need to follow that moto.

Thing is, in business. One of the hardest things to do. Fire people. Fire weak links.
Tell people there kitten is crap when its crap is also tough.

Too many people kissing kitten , that’s easy to do.

Narkodx.1472:

uberkingkong.8041:

Johje Holan.4607:

Don’t listen to all these thieves, everyone knows you’re right.

I already predicted it will ruin Stronghold.

Aye,
While the enemy leaves base, I stealthy enter there base and go in for the kill
Order of the Whispers Special Forces, came, saw and kicked that Guild Lord butt.

All you do is stealth, backstab and steal and another backstab, down he goes! His minions didn’t even see it coming.

one rambles constantly and plays on guild server vs guildies (they farm dailies and let one team win all day) – claims he is good and stealth is op

The other one can’t take a camp in WvW solo and also claims stealth is op in a game mode that has yet to be released

and the OP just installed the game and also claims stealth is op

They all have one thing in common – L2P

Take a good look at the picture.
Take a deeper look at the picture.
Reread my post.

#SKILLS

Brigg.6189:

^healing signet is what makes warriors tanky, not health. Tank warrior was pretty poor before HS.

You probably right.

I really don’t focus on what’s going on. I focus on how to beat them. If I’m not playing my power ranger, those guys are just too tanky.

Even if I have a ranger on my team, I expect them to be terrible ranger, some weird build and not meta. Most likely they are and they cant handle those tanky warriors so recently I’ve been switching back and forth between medi guard and power ranger. That’s all you need bro’s.
Medi guard take care of those thieves necros mesmers.
Power ranger to take out those tanky eles engy, and warriors.

Why medi guard cant handle eles engy warriors? too much dang sustain for those guys.
Why power ranger cant handle thieves necros mesmers? thieves and mesmers invis too kitten much and have dazes, stuff that interrupts you, same with necro, too much stuff interrupting you. But, thing is medi guard has too many stunbreakers that they practically own those stunning dazing reliant type classes, except the in your face stunlock warrior tanky kitten motherkittena.

Sure engy can interrupt power ranger, but engy relies on you being in there face to interrupt you, hence why a power ranger owns those kitteners. Power rangers don’t chase engies, engies chase power rangers. When engy chases they lose, when people chase engies, engies win.

Lemme tell you, I like my medi guard but I’ve been go go power ranger due to all these tanky people and newbs on my team using dumb builds that they could counter those tanky guys but they suck too much.

Simon.3794:

By this logic warriors base HP should be buffed too, as in its also their defensive mechanics (for having less other defensive mechanics), so.

HP buffed?
Idk, those tanky warriors are pretty mean. I mean the other builds I would agree but when I face a tanky warrior… They have more than enough hp.. Maybe not hp but they got something going on, 0 0 0 0 type thing can never do anything to them type thing.

Whenever I see 2 warriors on a team, that just kittenes me off because most of time, when they on the other team they kittening good, they the tanky type. Makes me switch to power ranger. I swear power ranger owns all those tanky type people. Thank god I have that option. Tanky ele, Tanky engy, Tanky warrior… Say hello to my power ranger.

Jae.5138:

I want this so bad. Can we get one where our ranks determine the points we get (bottom half % gets 0.3 of what top gets) weekly that we can buy new skins with?

rank determining what skins you can buy?

Oh that was an original idea.
Called Glory.
Great system.

The thing I remember most about it was… I had a half million glory stashed. Took a break.
ALLLLLLL kittenING GONE.
Anet way of saying THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK!!!

I had 500+ match win reward chests….
POOOF those gone too.

Anet WELCOMING ME BACK.

I should know anet welcomes people back by kittening them hard.

Not even a reward, no nothing. Just a “well sorry you wasn’t around to do something about it”, “I know that’s like months worth of savings, but we went bankrupt and tough cookies for you”.

I have 411 laurels. Very very very curious if when I do take a break, will I get kittened hard again???

Man you brought bad memories of this game back to me.
As for 2v2 3v3, I dislike, there is a huge population people are unaware of, and this game really really encourages play by yourself and have fun, even though there’s over a MILLION players out there to play and party with, doesn’t matter if 95% of them aren’t pvp’ers, you can convert them but you chose not too, its not like theres a fine line between being a pvper and not, this is an integrated game. Asks for too much in 1, has benefits and weaknesses, having a huge playerbase is a benefit.

I think the play by yourself attitude should go out the window and they should encourage you to play with others, and not just 1 or 2 other people. Sure, I don’t mind you can solo everything in this game, but zero incentive to play with others, that’s just dumb.

2v2 3v3 wont solve people not playing with others, changing the system a bit, more incentives will bring that.

You really have to ask yourself what is your goal.
If its being esports, I really don’t see much fun watching 4 people/ 2v2 entertaining. LoL isn’t 2v2. StarCraft it was 1v1, but this game isn’t like neither of them. And I’m pretty sure WoW isn’t esports. WoW is like 9 or 10 times plus bigger than GW2, of course they wont have long wait times. divide the wait time by 9 or 10 and that’s what GW2 wait time would be like with a WoW population. Short wait times for WoW has nothing to do with WoW being a 2v2 3v3 type thing. If GW2 had WoW population the 3 min wait time would be a 20 second wait time.

I really don’t even consider this game an MMORPG anymore, because the zones, basically all instances. Everything is instanced. MMORPG you have that role playing feeling. MMORPG based on servers. With this new megaserver, its just all instanced you don’t have that roleplaying feeling anymore. Like going to the farming area and farming all day and your server knows your the person that farms that all day. Nope doesn’t happen in this game, its all instanced nobody cares, you barely see the same people again. In MMORPG’s your suppose to see the same people every now and then. Maybe works in PvP but in PvE it doesn’t work. This WvW, its somewhat like that but no, its just a competitive thing. The roleplaying in WvW isn’t that great, more like competitive playing.

Oh ya, I forgot to mention my build was broken.
Automated Response sumo build.
Got replaced by turret engy meta.

I see more negative feedback from community about turrets, than I did when automated response was working as intended.
Matter of fact I hardly seen any automated response whiners.

They broke automated response not by the “a little at a time” method like they talk and talk about. (we bring this skill from 6 seconds to 4 or 5 seconds).
Nah they did a massive sledgehammer to the automated response build. Broke it in half, literally went from 100% to 50%.
That’s a 50% nerf, none of that “a little at a time” full of crap they talk about in toning down things, they toned automated response down so hard that they broke it.

Lemme tell ya something, 25% to 33% is nothing but a joke, so don’t even look at that crap. You nerfed something 50%, you nerfed the big pizza 50%, and you buff the tiny pizza (25%) 50%?

That aint fair at all. That’s like saying I’ll take 50% of your million, but in return I’ll give you 50% of my one thousand dollars.
That’s kittening scam right there.

Sumo engy, broker than ever all because of that.
Sumo engy at least required skills and you were more able to do things to them, than you can to turret engies.

Sumo had to outwit the guy off the node, the turret engy, just forces the person off the node. Also, sumo engy couldn’t kill kitten, the turret engy not only kittens people up, it kittens multiple people up too WHILE holding a node.

Sumo engy, all you did was hold the node, wasn’t much help to the teamfight because all you have is knockbacks and do like 0 damage. Turret engy, you got so much bullkitten, they need to get rid of some of that bullkitten.

It’s really all the fault of these new developers, if only they stuck with the original idea (AR is suppose to be 100%), they’d do good. I miss the original idea of PvP. I feel like this new idea is nothing but a few steps forward, and GIANT steps backwards.

Like hotjoins, I really miss doing hotjoins, I don’t call this practice kitten hotjoins, I call that newb farming. 5v5 bullcrap, what they considering 3v3 2v2 bullcrap now too? Go back to 8v8, automated teams, let real custom arenas be spectatable or have real 8v8 arenas you either spectate only or play only, you cant do both. Tired of this “its ok to watch and join winning team”. I want some real matches, some fun matches.
ORIGINAL IDEA thinking.
Not this new idea “hey lets give em solo que, lets make people turn into solo’ers”. Oh we don’t have any real pvp guilds anymore, maybe it was a bad idea to turn everyone into “solo’ers”, time to go back to the ORIGINAL IDEA.
Now you gotta WORK HARDER.

You know what they say, you do one bad thing to someone, its going to take a lot of good things to get them back.

You instilled a bad habit upon people, its gonna take a lot of work to get them back into good habits. Undo button isn’t gonna cut it in real life bubba.

I swear there use to be more pvp developers, because I remember sotg there was like 3 of them, and I’m not too familiar with this new guy. But I remember one of those old guys, ORIGINAL IDEA people talking in sotg about pvp templates….

My guess is that he was almost done (got the pvp build tab up), about to put the template into that tab, but than got fired or some NEW IDEA came up and that ORIGINAL IDEA went into the garbage.
Lemme tell ya something, people have been asking that template when it was suggested by that developer, and they still be asking for easy way to swap builds, and its very dumb to stop that progress.

Because we could be having maps like spirit watch and skyhammer in ranked que, but since people don’t make there builds but use other people builds and developers don’t know this, and people cant change there build to a spirit watch or skyhammer build in time, they whine and hence 2 maps, thrown outta ranked, which means pretty much if it aint ranked, its garbage.

Garbage maps are now Courtyard, Skyhammer, Spirit Watch, and Raid of Capricorn…. It’s very sad how the 3 newest maps are garbage.

I really do enjoy all of those but Courtyard, its one of those stupid new idea, listen to wrong people type idea. Total Deathmatch map, TDM is dumb. 2v2 dumb. 3v3 dumb.
You want a TDM? Go to Obsidian Sanctum and duke it out there.

100b warrior build is broken.
You hardly see any warrior use gs in PvP.

Thing is, why go 100b warrior when you can go power ranger?
100b takes a long time to pull off, easily side stepped and just avoiding it in general due to how slow the damage stacks.

Now power ranger, skill 2, pew pew pew, half health dropped in mere seconds, super fast, you cant side step it, pretty much autoaimed. Also you have the 4 knockback.

Now why melee is so weak compared to range, that’s beyond me.
Feels like most melee classes are broken.

If you eat a full 100b, you should barely have any health left at all, sadly its not the case.

You see Hman around anymore? He pretty much was in every top team, ever since 100b warrior broke, I don’t see him around anymore. If he is still around, he is a 100b warrior type player, this new tanky meta isn’t his playstyle. He likes to kitten people and say “GEEEEET kittenED”.

I like people with that playstyle.
That one wvw/pvp warrior/guardian player plays like that too, nyms nymph something.

People like those kind of players.
Now players like throw a bunch of condi’s and keep fighting and the other guy drops because nothing hit him but just because he got sick of condi’s and his hp went out, that’s just a lame fight. Theres no screaming GEEEET kittenED in those moments. Stupid, lame way to go out, needs more intensity, actual stuff showing the other person getting kitten d and not just “whoops I ate too many condi’s got sick, nothing hitting me but I’ma die because I ate too many condi’s”.

So lame, needs more animations and decapitations, thiller, exciting, humiliating ways to show people getting whooped. 100b was one of those in a kind of way.

People see someone getting 100b they say “OOOOOOH OOOOWNED”
excitement level high
People see someone getting whooped by condi’s, “oh? how did he die? oooh”
excitement level low

They really should be discussing other topics than if guild lord needs a buff or not.

This should be somewhere at the bottom of the list to evaluate.

Johje Holan.4607:

Don’t listen to all these thieves, everyone knows you’re right.

I already predicted it will ruin Stronghold.

Aye,
While the enemy leaves base, I stealthy enter there base and go in for the kill
Order of the Whispers Special Forces, came, saw and kicked that Guild Lord butt.

All you do is stealth, backstab and steal and another backstab, down he goes! His minions didn’t even see it coming.

Johje Holan.4607:

uberkingkong.8041:

Eventually they get smart enough and not be a newb anymore and not be a person that is farmed.

Unfortunately, more likely they quit and never come back to PvP. Thus PvP never becoming a thriving, well populated game mode and never reaching its full potential.

You know, there are some good players out there, but they become part of the farming process, hence they don’t even think about trying for WTS because those medicore newb farmers scared them to death, so they think the good players are like WAY WAY WAY too good…. They aint.

Its like fighting, those good players that don’t do tournaments, could easily beat those medicore farmers 1v1 do something 2v1, but when its 3v1 style they slammed hard. Even when its 3v3, they still get slammed.

Its like a buff dude, with 2 girls vs 3 scrawny dudes. 3 scrawny dudes going to overwhelm that buff dude, and those 2 girls (newbs) aint really gonna do anything but rally/motivate the scrawny dudes while the buff dude gets demoralized because his teammates getting owned and now hes left. Most of time in GW2 though. Its buff dude and 2 girls vs 4 scrawny dudes, good luck with that. 2 guys hold ya down and 3rd guy just finish and 4th guy humiliates, game over pal. Those 2 girls just be running around not knowing what to do.

NeXeD.3042:

uberkingkong.8041:

Keksmuffin.1450:

And again somebody from my team confirmed that we could play without me knowing about it. This seems to be a theme. Sigh.

lol, not sure but I know by looking at brackets some games are like by’s, makes me think whoever is in charge of this just assumes teams are playing regardless of asking them, but who knows.
Also, another thing of note, some of those games don’t have a match score. That’s just pure laziness, that’s a basic no brainer thing to do, take a friggin screenshot.
See difference http://play.eslgaming.com/guildwars2/global/gw2/major/go4guildwars2-northamerica/cup-12/match/30965719/ SOMETHING PROVIDED — this is a non important match, nothing special here, no money on the line.
http://play.eslgaming.com/guildwars2/global/gw2/major/go4guildwars2-northamerica/cup-14/match/31018173/ NOTHING PROVIDED, NO MEDIA, NO SCREENSHOT, NOTHING, —btw this is the FINAL MATCH the BIG MONEY MATCH and nothing no media no nothing.

Bids on Abjured, 100 gold. Any takers?

Those other teams just don’t learn after getting spanked week after week.
I don’t even watch this, but if Abjured does same thing or whatever week after week you’d think they’d learnt by now.

Well abjured can’t compete in the EU finals…. the other games matter for prizes. It’s possible that for now no one is going to beat abjured regardless of meta just due to the skill level of the team. Would be cool to see them try something crazy though.

Ya you right,
See those guys on the NA wall in heart of the mist from 2013 none of them are from Abjured, but gotta nowhere, Abjured came… saw and spanked them out of 1st place for NA. Those players on the wall for 2013, no chance in hell coming back. I mean Abjured just too good for them. Those players skill ceiling has already been reached, Abjured skill ceiling, through the roof, cant mess with that.

Think I know why they don’t post scoreboard on the big money match. Its nothing but a spanking and they don’t want to show the team going against Abjured getting there kitten spanked.

Keksmuffin.1450:

And again somebody from my team confirmed that we could play without me knowing about it. This seems to be a theme. Sigh.

lol, not sure but I know by looking at brackets some games are like by’s, makes me think whoever is in charge of this just assumes teams are playing regardless of asking them, but who knows.
Also, another thing of note, some of those games don’t have a match score. That’s just pure laziness, that’s a basic no brainer thing to do, take a friggin screenshot.
See difference http://play.eslgaming.com/guildwars2/global/gw2/major/go4guildwars2-northamerica/cup-12/match/30965719/ SOMETHING PROVIDED — this is a non important match, nothing special here, no money on the line.
http://play.eslgaming.com/guildwars2/global/gw2/major/go4guildwars2-northamerica/cup-14/match/31018173/ NOTHING PROVIDED, NO MEDIA, NO SCREENSHOT, NOTHING, —btw this is the FINAL MATCH the BIG MONEY MATCH and nothing no media no nothing.

Bids on Abjured, 100 gold. Any takers?

Those other teams just don’t learn after getting spanked week after week.
I don’t even watch this, but if Abjured does same thing or whatever week after week you’d think they’d learnt by now.

If anything they should make the NPCs downstateable, not just the lord.
To be honest somebuilds just tickle him, and I’ve seen 2 people keep the lord healthy against 3 people before.

Most people don’t specialize in killing the lord and make it there duty to kill lord and adds in 25 seconds or less. Only few people do that crap.

Lord is fine, if anything, make the NPC’s downstateable.
That’s what they did in PvE with those toxic fighters, they more difficult than this lord and his army.

SobeSoul.6910:

Haha, that would just lead to downvote type trolling.

Nah I see it being useful.
Good way to check to see whose the best x profession.

I bet cruuk, caed, jumper, toker would love to see whose the best by community votes.
As well as other professions like engy, darth, chaith, ostrich, whoever else.

Also, popularity like whose best streamer or best video maker (engy tutorial).

Like I would make it so you don’t have to put both skill and popularity, but chose. Like for example. Man I loved ostrich eggs nades video, gonna give that guy 5 stars and give him a comment thanks really helped me be win more!!!

If people downgrade people on skills that’s just dumb, it wont work. Because if people disliked cruuk and he’s playing with newbs, those newbs are going to give him 5 stars because they sick of getting owned by that guy, he shouldn’t be que’d with them.
That’s the point of it, if you sick of going against someone that’s just too good, give him high rating so he stops playing against you and plays against people that kitten him up instead of him kittening others up.
Samething with newbs, you hate that guy on your team but he keeps getting que’d with you because system thinks hes good, give that kitten a 1 star so he goes away and gets que’d with other newbs and not good players like yourself.

This gives you some say in the game, like a vote. Your vote matters.
1 star that newb, and comment, 1 star this kitten, he’s a newb.

This too many kids play this game is probably only thing that’ll ruin this. Lemme ask ya, whose the majority? How many kids do you really think play. How many of those kids do you think give a kitten? I mean I played GTA, that game was wayyyy popular, and it was totally anti “my kids play it, stop the nasty language”. Those kiddy friendly games don’t work. If anything, use the words kitten or —-- to block those bad words people leave for your comments.

I think of WoW as a kiddie game, yeah it might be big, but its reputation, that’s a nerdy game, kids play that game.
GTA, has a good reputation, this game is fun, positive stuff, cool people play this game.
You choose your reputation.
To be honest I think GW2 PvP mostly with starcraft. That game had a good reputation, wasn’t kiddy or anything. Nothing but competitive people. Competitive reputation.

And if people bad mouth you, you fight back, give that guy that bad mouth you via comment a 1 popularity. Also, maybe comment the comment and have other people be able to comment on that comment.

Called newb farming.
Been around for good while.
Only those new to PvP are dumb enough to join those games.

This is basically how I see the servers right now.
(Under Practice) You have Dailies, 1v1, newb farming
(Under Play) Unranked
(Under Compete) Ranked

Pretty sure they intended practice for the good players to practice using there builds to take down newbs real fast. Hence they made it 5v5, so even if a good player joins the team with newbs, they still don’t stand a chance. Stacked team and more players on opposing team and newbs on your team, good luck.

If it was 8v8, bit more difficult because a lot more players, I don’t think theres enough newbs out there so better chances of good players as well.
However, I wouldn’t be surprised if this didn’t do anything.

Because like the solo que mindset they put on everyone.
They also put on everyone the “wait and see whose gonna win before joining the game” mindset.
Hence game is something like 3v2, like 6 players in spectate waiting for a newb to join the losing team. than one of those 6 guys get lucky from spamming the join winning team button and 4v3 now. 5v4 6v5 7v6 8v7, by this time game pretty much over, the score something like 400 to 200. Only a newb would join a team the losing team with that kind of score.
Same process the next game.

Should consider yourself lucky, you go to the forums. You now know about newb farming. Should be more inclined not to be apart of the people getting farmed now.
Thing is, most newbs don’t goto the forums, they know little about PvP anyways, they don’t know any better, they join losing team. They have no idea they are in the newb farming process. They don’t realize they are being farmed. They think its just that they are terrible players and new to game so they keep doing it. Eventually they get smart enough and not be a newb anymore and not be a person that is farmed.

Justin ODell.9517:

uberkingkong.8041:

Also, your we rate people on wins. Like many have said, people get carried. That’s a stupid way to rate people. You need to use a player rating system.

I believe TrueSkill uses player ranking in the game when updating ratings, but I’m not sure that would work as well for us. I’d love to use TrueSkill, but it has a patent and I hear Microsoft doesn’t license it out to competitors. Also, our point structure isn’t designed for this, and would probably need a bit of an overhaul.

People being carried only matters if they are constantly carried by the same people, but it is true that this causes their ratings to take longer to reach the same accuracy.

I’ve been toying around with my own rating system in my spare time, but it’s not well tested or verified, never mind production ready.

never even heard of true skill.
What I think of when ratings is like yelp.
Straight up legit feedback.
You should let people be able to comment on players too.

You should play a game, when its over it and after you get ported out it should allow you to rate the players on your team and opposing team. Shouldn’t be forced or maybe should, up to you.
2 ratings, skill rating and popularity
also have a place for people to comment on those players too.
So example be like 4 stars skills 5 stars popularity (comments this guy knows how to target, communicates too, hes awesome!) or a rating like 5 stars skills 1 star popularity (this guy very rude player, he likes to let you know he owned you, talks a lot of trash).

doesn’t have to be stars if you can use something like thumbs up, use like currency, this guy is a platinum player (5 stars equivalent) this guy is a bronze player (1 star equivalent). Do what you gotta do to get by the patent. Make it related to GW2 somehow.

You know I kinda think of this not only like yelp but as the bodybuilding.com ratings.
they use something called rep. if people in the red on that site they most likely rude or don’t know what they talking about, but if someone has like 10000 rep power, that guy knows what he talking about, he the kitten. They have other ratings too, like muscle rating or something.

All I say that would work is 2 different ratings skills and popularity and have comments. Make it feel kinda like social media. Gotta get people to interact and play together, not solo mindset.

Skill rating for better matchmaking, use your own system along with the skill rating. popularity rating and comments just for fun and some people will make that a grind or something. Yall need to stop making this game super serious, there needs to be fun.
Like on bodybuilding.com I think some people enjoy being super red, and others they like to get crazy amount of rep power. Good way to look at the community through popularity, some people don’t like the skilled players but other people are popular, like ostrich eggs, his engy video made him pretty popular, even though he’s a WTS winner. Some of those skilled players, aren’t very popular and its good thing for the players to compete with too. Like most popular streamer. He could suck but people like to watch him and think they cool so he’d have like a 2 star skills 5 star popularity.

Like SAB in PvE, that’s nothing but fun, a lot of people want that kitten back. The rewards wasn’t even that great compared to other grinds, but people like to have fun every now and then.

Lordrosicky.5813:

uberkingkong.8041:

Elegy.2159:

Chukree.1756:

100-0 ppl with no stun breaker.

You should really slot a stunbreaker. At least one. There are so many knockdowns and stuns in the game from all professions. Stunlock warriors, mesmers, thieves – it’s not just engineer. Slick shoes can be countered. You need positional awareness, and yes, a stunbreaker.

Chukree.1756:

Don’t need comments from people who don’t have atleast 10 000 pvp games. Thx.

Aw crap, I guess I’m not qualified. Disregard, I guess.

Um you stunbreak it, and he runs back into you, you just wasted a stunbreaker and back down again.

Incorrect. Use a stunbreak in a better way please. Engineer is NOT OP at all. Slick shoes needs a buff if anything lol. It is a really bad skill.

Also, if the downed guy already used there knockdown or escape skill.
EASY finish.

That’s probably why they mad.
Downed guy couldn’t do jack squat to interrupt you because your teammates are aware, they pay attention. And there you are with mentality “I never do finishes, too bad if your downed and hes down, all I do is pew pew, or whatever necro autoattack is”.

Gotta be aware, people aren’t going to yell at you especially a lot of people if they know your getting thrown around, but if you have terrible awareness and don’t realize that the downed enemy used his escape/knockdown and you don’t take advantage of the scenario. YYYYUP gonna call ya a newb. I’m gonna get kittened, because like you said, multiple people yelled at you so I’m assuming teamfight.

Which I die, I respawn, the other guy dies he respawns 10 seconds or so later, YOU die because they woop your kitten next, you respawn like 20 seconds or so later.

What is that????
Out of rotation, now your team is kittened for a long time till you can make something happen and most of times, aint nothing gonna save ya. The enemy is just going to take advantage of the 3v1 3v2 4v1 4v2 of your teammates running into them or trying to decap an open node and then they see you… Yup 2v1 time on you, your teammate tries to help… Ohhhh too late, hes next. YYYYUP still outta rotation.
All those other mistakes after your initial mistake doesn’t really matter, YOU caused the out of rotation. YOUR gonna get yelled at.

Elegy.2159:

Chukree.1756:

100-0 ppl with no stun breaker.

You should really slot a stunbreaker. At least one. There are so many knockdowns and stuns in the game from all professions. Stunlock warriors, mesmers, thieves – it’s not just engineer. Slick shoes can be countered. You need positional awareness, and yes, a stunbreaker.

Chukree.1756:

Don’t need comments from people who don’t have atleast 10 000 pvp games. Thx.

Aw crap, I guess I’m not qualified. Disregard, I guess.

Um you stunbreak it, and he runs back into you, you just wasted a stunbreaker and back down again.

invuln and stability are not the only ways to stomp. You have invis.
Also have farting blindness on them (referring to engy flamethrower 5)

Good players keep attacking to get rid of the blindness (unless its thief blind field, can be countered too btw, requires timing), dumb players wait and do nothing therefore when they do there knockdown or whatever they’re still blind. I’m not too familiar with blindness but some blindness stays. I believe blindness should stay until timer is done regardless of attacking to remove it.

necro has blindness too. its number 4.

Again, good players look at the player they are finishing, and when they see animation of them getting ready to do a knockdown or whatever, they dodge.

Only poor/bad players make excuses for not being able to finish. Same thing with not being able to hold a point.

Justin ODell.9517:

uberkingkong.8041:

Me and another good player with 3 newbs vs 3 good players and 2 newbs is what I usually get.
I’d rather have a me and 4 good players vs a premade.

It works on both sides. The players added to your team will be at the inflated rating. I.e. if your regular rating is 1500 but after party size inflation it becomes 1700, the missing spots will be populated with players as close to 1700 as possible.

uberkingkong.8041:

There system of detecting good players is bad, they need a player ranking system to tell whose good and not, so whenever I do go against premade its not me and 2 good players and 2 newbs vs premade (hence we lose, 2 weak links).

Not sure your logic follows given the misunderstanding above. To put it as simply as possible in this context, the rating system doesn’t care who is good and who is bad, it only cares who wins and against whom they were playing.

oneply.9586:

i have a feeling points farmers get marked by the system as good/average players, when really they are bad and cause their team to have to overcome their selfishness to win the match.

By point in “point farmers” do you mean ladder points or individual points? Ladder points work off of your team’s performance, so there should be no conflict of interests there.

That’s where your matchmaking problem is.
A newb is a newb.
You could have 2 1600s and 3 1200s vs 3 1500s and 2 1100s.
The 3 1500s going to win because they know how to play the game and aren’t dumb.
Look at my idiot type mistakes vs common mistakes wherever I posted that.
newbs are likely to make idiot mistakes, simple rating isn’t going to help. But yes if that’s all you have queing than its fine. But if you have more, its better to make it fair, 2 pros 3 newbs vs same thing.

weak links are very crucial to the game. especially when its tiny game 5v5. I cant imagine a 2v2 3v3 with 1 weak link. That’s 50% or 34% of my chances right there.

Don’t listen to those 2v2 3v3 folks, if anything make this game 8v8 so weak links mean less.

Also, your we rate people on wins. Like many have said, people get carried. That’s a stupid way to rate people. You need to use a player rating system.

Because if you do a 2 strongs 3 weaks vs 3 strongs 2 weaks. However, the catch is that 2 strongs, 1 guy is actually a weak, that’s 1 strong 4 weaks vs 3 stongs 2 weaks. That’s a blowout game.

You seen people post about blowout games, that’s why they happen. You need to start working on the player rating system. Not only does it benefit matchmaking, it gives people a way to judge themselves because you also hear people talk about “how can I tell if I’m doing good or bad”, well now ya have a way. Also, creates competitiveness with friends and rivals. You just cant go wrong, start working on that kitten now.
And yes the player rated system should be public. Everyone should be able to see if your a newb or if your a pro. There should be stars by your name too indicating it, something nice to have and show off. “hey buddies, see I’m a 5 star, I’m so awesome”
2 things, skill rating and popularity/how you act/do people like you type rating.
Because people will give you bad ratings if they dislike you, but if theres 2 separate ones, more likely to show truth in the rating besides someone hating on you hence you get a 1 star even though they hate on you because you sat on them by owning them so you should be 5 star skills 1 star popularity.

SobeSoul.6910:

A million players? lol

On topic: Grats to all those teams.

A million players is nothing today.
Its not like 10 years ago.

ArrDee.2573:

butch.8136:

ArrDee.2573:

The same teams with the same seeding because the competitive scene is tiny and there is 0 population growth!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

But arena’s would fix that, right? /s

Actually yes! Smaller teams means more teams! Arenas would bring more people to play! Arenas are more competitive than conquest!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

That 2v2 3v3 arena hype?
Hell no,
don’t waste your time on that garbage developers.
5v5 is already tiny enough.
You have over a million player base and people aren’t interested, its not because of team size, because it doesn’t have the competitive feeling towards it. You need to make this game feel competitive and fun. Like it did when it originally came out.

People just quit, because it took you guys too long to actually get leaderboards and actual tournaments, also because you kept making changes to make it less competitive and fun. Like enforcing everything to be on a win or lose bases. ‘ya get your points on win or loss, no more fun, too much serious is not fun’.

BTW,
that list looks just like the ESL list.
lemme tell ya abjured won the last 11 or so WEEKS straight, don’t think they lost a game either. shows how big this competitive game is and how serious other teams are.
Like I told other teams, they GOTTA get rid of the weak links.
Too bad if your buddy plays, if you want to win… STRONG players only on a team.

Think of it like a job, you have friends, but work and friends don’t mix.
When it comes to work, aka winning, you get rid of those losers/weak links. You want your business to be successful as it can be. Strong links only.

Speaking of which, you know why I don’t consider these teams, for example, Abjured a guild, even though they are a tiny guild?
Because they don’t let people in, they aren’t trying to get people and better the ‘guild’. Its just a fad.
Like say DoD, if they was really a guild, they’d have like 40 people they think is good, and do actual tryouts and of those 40 people they’d bring it down to the top 5 and go from there.
But since DoD isn’t a guild and only has like 8 or so members, barely even hiring because they think they know all the good players and nobody left or whatever there reason, they wont get any better. There 8 people bring it down to the top 5 isn’t as good as 40 people pool and bringing it down to the top 5.

I don’t know how many people GASM has, or if they still active and around, but I’m actually surprised they haven’t even entered into any tournaments especially when I do see them, they are trying to get a community of PvP’ers together (only people I see do this).

Back in the days, I think Being OP is hard was one of the guilds of PvP that actually had a good amount of players. That would make me consider them an actual PvP guild. Too bad they aren’t active anymore, I respected them, they had good players too.

Truth be told, I’m sure more people know of GASM over radioactive and DoD. I wouldn’t be surprised if more people know of GASM than they do of Abjured too. Most people that know of those teams other than GASM are people that frequent the forums.

GASM dueling server is usually at the top of the custom arena list too.
I’ve never really heard about radioactive or dod until I actually went out of my way to see what the top teams are. never heard of abjured until the wts, haven’t really heard of them since, all I know is they win esl, just because I go to the forums.

GASM is like everywhere, or use to be. see them in games, there server at top of custom arena, that guy hiring top pvp’ers. other guilds/teams… crickets.

Probably why you get so low of people watching these games, because nobody even knows of those guilds.
I could goto a populated zone and ask whos the best pvp team, probably get 1 or 2 answers if any out of 200 or 300 people whatever the max is.

flamethrower engy pretty powerful, I used it for my automated response sumo engy back in days. great for stomps with blind, it has nice knockback, and didn’t think of it until now, but fire field for might stacking.

Too bad, anet hates sumo engy aka the automated response engy, and had to give it a nerf, but not just a lil toning down…
50% toned down, that’s a slap in the face, almost a knee in the nuts type of toning down.

Justin ODell.9517:

Cindas.6149:

Second, if “being matched against a premade when you’re solo is rare”, why have it be a possibility at all? If it is rare, what does it give to the players and the system? It appears it is only reducing the queue time for “high skilled players”.

We also allow it because a lot of the time it doesn’t matter, especially now that we inflate party MMR by the number of members to compensate for the advantage.

Math: party.rating *= config.party.inflation * pow(party.size, config.party.curve)

5 players with a mean of 1500 becomes 1940 with inflation at 5% and the curve set to 1.1.

There is still that occasional match though that gets totally ruined by the fail-safes. I’m not certain waiting longer for those players would improve quality for them or just reduce the number of games they get to play.

See people, told ya something like this happens. (premades get boosted points, so in theory a weak premade would face medicore players).
Only times you should lose to premades (like harcore premades) is when they are the only team queing and there que timer reaches that limit where it forces them to face whoever is qued.

Solo players in this game are able to beat premades, most of those premades are nothing anyways. I’d rather get teamed with some of the good solo players I’m playing with and face a premade than be que’d with newbs and have a who carries harder fight.

Me and another good player with 3 newbs vs 3 good players and 2 newbs is what I usually get.
I’d rather have a me and 4 good players vs a premade.

There system of detecting good players is bad, they need a player ranking system to tell whose good and not, so whenever I do go against premade its not me and 2 good players and 2 newbs vs premade (hence we lose, 2 weak links).

Remember when I was talking about beating abjured, how those teams facing abjured have weak links? Well I’d assume the system gives me a few weak links when I face a premade.

Hate playing with weak links. If you play with me, I communicate via map pings, and if I’m pinging the map hard, that means I’m angry. I ping on you and ping the place your suppose to go and you go do something dumb, ya you the weak link. I have good map awareness, I know most of the time where people should be at.

Actually a lot of high quality type of teams, they require you to be able to take critism and being yelled at.

If anything you should learn from it and not get all mad about it.

Theres a difference between someone just saying you suck and when someone says your an idiot because you didn’t do this or that or why did you do that.