Guild Wars 2

TheMightyAltroll.3485

Yea i agree with you duels are not really that important its more for a bit of fun and to show p/p wep set for thief isnt as bad as people think. I do have footage of absolutely dominating in spvp matches with this build uploading them soon. I also realize that pawning in spvp isn’t that impressive as the skill level of some players is absolutely terrible. Tournament footage of the build is next on my list.

A quick vid of me vsing a dp thief, high Engi and Phantasm Mesmer with dual pistol thief hope you guys enjoy it

Hahaha yea its a great skill for sure although I didn’t use it when vsing the dp thief. Also when I got Moa Morph when vsing the phantasm mesmer I didnt leave the dueling area and I think its a just as powerful skill in a duel. Engi turrets is also pretty powerful in duels aslong as your opponent doesn’t leave the dueling area. Though I will make sure to use bas venom if it makes a duel more impressive

Ok so pistol damage is lower than dagger damage but you are attacking from a range of 900. If anyone gets just use black powder and if you are having a range battle with someone p/p does more dmg than most other classes using range. Check out this pp dueling vid https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/PP-sd-pawnage-pvp-v-Engi-dp-thief-Mes-vid/first#post2539793

yea its great that way so does sneak attack that 2 stealth tracking moves which comes in handy when vsing other thiefs

Hi guys I thought I’d bring my p/p thief into spvp and duel some other classes to see how it could hold up. Turn out to be pretty good, ithad everything it needed to deal with almost any class. Also it was alot of fun hope you guys enjoy the video. I will be uploading p/p in actual spvp matches very soon

um check again.
1. WvW: def not one of the best but it is good a roaming.

2. tpvp: thief is just lol. It can work but is not desired.

3. spvp: yes you can be very successful here but its only because it is full of bads and noobs that don’t know how to use there own class properly let alone know the counters when vsing thief.

That would be nice but its really not necessary its already pretty decent. More vids of p/p domination otw ;p

tbh its p/p doesnt need a buff

Damage wise I total agree with you there while sb dmg may almost be comparable its dependent on hitting someone with clusterbomb. People can actually run faster than that skill. That being said sb is still a great weapon and is very useful in a variety of situations.

Hi guys here is some game play of my Hybrid thief enjoy

Edit: lol I just realized I didnt put the video link in. It has now been added my bad ;0

P/P is pretty decent guys

Having used both I can tell you they both work just fine, though with full carrion your dps output will be a bit better.

To the op you may have been blinded, blocked, or could be lag. Also if you use steal on an engineer a get the gunk an use it, when you try to stealth near or on the gunk field you get an instant reveal debuff .

If your like doing small man roaming join me on ioj lots of small man action at all times of day. Also the zergs in t6 aren’t very big either thevaverage size is around 20-35 people.

Sorry for butting into someone else post but check out my P/P vid its not as bad as people think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZrsaTsXCU

Hi guys thanks for the replies. The reason I made the video was to show that p/p among other builds and weapons sets are viable(not optimal) if you want to play them because they seem fun do so. Now in regards to the damage of pistol vs dagger, of course dagger being a melee weapon is going do to more damage and it should the risks are much greater. You have to be in 130 range while with the pistol you can be kiting away at a safe distance of 900 . All melee weapons do more damage then ranged.

Also with p/p you wont have much trouble vsing other thiefs(or any class) as you have blinds, stealths, interrupts and channelling attacks that will follow a thief into stealth. Most thiefs will die within two unloads and a few auto attacks. Now the bunker/high regen/ condition ranger in the video was actually and very very good ranger with a good build. I thought it would be nice to show what a ranger can do if played well as we dont see or hear about it enough. I don’t know if he 2v1 with ease he was pretty close to dying a couple times, few mistakes on my part allowed him to live. Also I was a total noob with a sword, it was my 2nd day with it and I never really used it that much (Sd as off set wep to deal with high boon build esp retaliation guards) .

:ps sorry for any grammatical errors writing from my phone.

Hi guys I thought I’d try out dual pistol weapon and see whakittens like, turned out to be pretty fun and pretty viable. I still need lot of practice to be proficient with the build. Here are few fights on my first time out in WvW with p/p set I hope you enjoy video.

Exactly This^^^

Easily= without to much trouble.

My point being thief and mesmer are imo pretty even in 1v1 encounters with a slight advantage going towards the mesmer. Mesmer has among the best in combat mobility in the game. All you have to do is get a few phants and let them do most of the work. Even if you are not a phant mesmer build playing like one is a good strat against most thiefs. Condition mesmer on the other hand would have a bit of a harder time.

how about revert illu counters dmg back to what it was originally and have every 3rd scepter auto attack apply1- 2 stacks of torment for 2-4sec. This way scepter would be useful to a variety of different build and it would make for a much more reliable way to apply torment.

lol selan don’t bring thiefs into to this post. Off topic though no memser shouldn’t be complaining about thiefs as a class mesmers having everything they need to dispose of them quite easily.

Hmm idk op as it is right now illu counter works well against theif. You dont need to target them but it will auto hit them when they go for there back stab regardless if you targeting another enemy. I think the dmg reduction(50%) to illu counter wash a bit much, how about if you are bit more of a power/crit build? Torment will do like no dmg. I know most people dont think scepter works on power/crit type builds but it does. Just check out seven mirrors vids if you dont believe me

While I agree I could have labelled it better but the point is this most recent patch did make confusion less effective/reduced its dmg output which is essentially a nerf. After confusion was nerfed by 50% its damage wasn’t an issue anymore no one complained about it being op. Most thought it was to weak and its just got weaker again.

Also lots of well known builds got nerfed in this recent patch but those said builds (shatter/power-crit/phant/boon) are still much better than condition mesmers, I think Confusion being mesmers most accessible and powerful condition should be under consideration for a bit of a buff by the devs.

agree with most things the op said except for taking confusion off the 3 skill of the scepter 5 stacks of confusion potentially does more dmg than 3 stack of torment. I think scepter would be fine if they didn’t reduce the dmg of the 2skill by 50%

Fixing the script errors needed to be done but my point is that those errors may have made confusion seem more powerful than what it really was. Now that they have fixed the errors confusion is doing even less dmg than after the 50% nerf maybe its time to re- evaluate its damage and have it boosted a little bit.

I never ran any confusion dmg on my mesmer until after confusion damage was nerfed in half. After some tests I thought confusion/condition type builds for a mesmer was still viable(not optimal). However after the most recent patch I noticed that my confusion was doing less damage than b4 the update. I read in the patch notes:

:Fixed confusion to no longer fire extra times on skills due to hidden script actions.

So confusion got nerfed again. Did anyone else notice it was procing less? My question to Devs is were these hidden scripts active b4 confusion damage was nerfed in half? if so could that have been the reason confusion was doing more damage than intended? If yes maybe nerfing confusion damage in half was to big a nerf

Or did these script errors occur after the initial confusion nerf? Do you think the damage confusion was doing after it was nerfed was to much? because its doing even less damage now. Either way this most recent nerf made confusion/condition mesmers builds even less viable. Is there and chance at possibly getting a 10-15% increase in confusion damage or maybe getting it proc a few more times. As it stands power/crit mesmer build are considerable more powerful than condition memsers and there is no real incentive to play and condition mesmer over a power/crit build.
what are you thought everyone discuss!!

ps: sorry for all the grammatical errors I posted this from my phone ;/

Capping a tower with nsp players still inside the tower

lol moment of capping the tower while DH zerg was still inside defending from ioj it resulted in a massive battle inside the tower which was a lot of fun and lots of loot bags for both sides

Well Well good match up this week here’s a vid solo capping a tower from earlier in the week http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZMjJAMTeMY got a new mouse keyboard and monitor so yea my game play wasn’t the best but still entertaining

Well mesmers got a big nerf with the change to first minor trait in Illusions

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Let me clear up something for some of you nsp players. Ioj never had any arrangement alliance or agreement with DH to double team on you. For the first part of the week it was common knowledge among most of the ioj commanders not to touch anything blue but after your constant poking and flipping of our stuff (for me it was on tuesday when you flipped our fully upgraded bay I really like having a wp in that keep) I decided without discussing it with the other commanders that I would be concentrating on NSP for the rest of the week and as it turned out several other ioj commanders had the same idea.

At that point ioj did not make a proposition to DH to target nsp with us. Simply of our own accord we decided to give most out attention to nsp in retaliation for flipping our stuff. Then of course you will retaliate back then we will retaliate again then so on and so on. DH attacked whoever they wanted that’s the luxury they had because of there massive lead. Did ioj take advantage of situations when we knew you were vulnerable and weakened? you be we did. It would have been stupid not to.

WvW is a 3 way fight by design it gonna be 2v1 constantly the fact the some people are complaining about it and going so far as to call it cheating is hilarious

Anyway great fight nsp some of you guys are really good had some good 1v1 and small group action wish you guys all the best for the reset.

Edit: sorry if my post seems like a mess did on my phone while at work.

I run both and both are good options just depends what weapon set and build you are using.

To the op
1. You could have used anti stealth trap I myself have been hit by these many times while hiding in a tower .

2. You could leave one competent person behind to guard the tower.

Great video on how to counter a thief your played perfectly. Please post a video of your necromancer beating thieves as I would like to see that as well

this is very true ^^^
and really an engi struggling against thieve? its a shame many ppl dont realize how good of a dualist class an engi really is

please explain this

Here a screen shot while I was defending the tower last night I am not accusing anyone of anything but how is it possible to have AC and ele skills shooting far inside a tower while the doors and walls are all intact? Is this normal?

Lol to this post,

If and an enemy thief is roaming about it you tower and you dont want to use an anti stealth trap leave the tower lord has 4min buff on anyway wait till you see swords probably means he is attempting to cap it, kill him in the act( The lord hurts quite a bit a some of his attack channel through even after stealth . Also you could have one competent player stand guard in the lords room. A solo thief in a tower isnt going to do much else.

Grimno.6172

My 2 cents about thieves in WvW…

They should not be allowed to remain cloaked while FINISHING someone.

It’s gotten past the annoying part now…

You have options to easily counter stealth stomping.

1. you can cc that area of you downed team mate 99% this will work perfectly.

2. you can auto attack the area of you downed team mate and assuming you atlest mananged to do some dmg to the theif b4 one of you got downed most of the time you will down the theif.

3. AOE the area of downed team mate.

4. You can easily res up said team mate b4 thief gets the stomp (if you are in a party with some you should be paying attention to his health as well as you own and get rdy to res if you see he is going down).

In addition if you are alone and got downed you lost so being stealth stomped does’nt matter. Thief needs stealth stomping or else more that half the time even in 1v1 engagement the downed play will auto attack the thief to downed state and will win the match in downed state. Even though thieves have more access to stealth, its much more easier to stop a stealth stomp and a theif may need several attempts even with stealth to actually get the stomp. Where as other profession with invu, and stability skill are almost guarantee the stomp.

Terkov.4138

Personally I don’t mind tieves dmg or mobility. The only thing that kittening annoys me is perma stealth. Today we capped tower and the thief ran in in last secound. We saw him. Then it took us (15 organized ppl) like 10 min to kill him! kittening perma stealth conected with best mobility in game makes it just stupid. What should we do? Ask zerg to come coz we don’t have enough aoe to cover all place?

Anti stealth Trap and your done

I love how all thief haters/complainers simply ignored the comments of one of the devs(Robert hrouder) of how he has no trouble dealing with thiefs on his ranger. They have also been saying the only respones from thief players is l2p when there have been several helpful post on how to combat thiefs. Seems like a lot of narrow minded stubborn people rather just cry for nerf than learn how to fight thief.

Dev can easily deal with thiefs on ranger

Come to ioj in tier 6 I am Always on the look out For skilled roamers and a mesmer is much better suited for team roaming

Do how know how weak an all thief team is in comparison to other class combinations? An all thief the team would get owned by an all Guard team/dd ele/mesmer team, a mixture of classes would be stronger Guard, cc hammer War, dd ele mesmer, Necro. So small/large man team wise/ thieves and not the best. 1v1 thiefs are not the best Phant Mesmer, DD ele and High engi are better in 1v1 and bring more to a team than a thief does. Thieves are the best a yak slapping i’ll give them that. At best thieves are annoying not op, part of being evasive and being able to escape is a part of the thief class so you just gonna have to suck it up and get over that. If you manage to fight off a thief and coz him to run good on you at that point just leave and go about you business its very hard for a thief to land Backstab on a moving target(without bas venom) and if they do chase you beware they are mostly likely wasting there initiative to catch up with and will be disadvantage for the next incounter. If they HS spam to get you 1. hs doesnt do any real dmg unless the targets health is 50% or below, 2 Most thieves can only hit there big numbers from the side or back. So if they start hs spamming turn around take the hs hit and start attacking them you will most likely take them out b4 they take you out. Also lots of thieves like to press hs 2-3times so by the time they realize there target is going to kill them it is to late they will finish the hs spam and most likely die.

Thief’s aren’t even the best 1v1 a well played high engi, phant mesmer, and dd ele are prob better duelist and bring more to team fights than a thief

Come to ioj we need a few more people’s

Sorry for all spelling errors posting from my phone =]