Guild Wars 2

I am totally down.

FT had lots of fun on cd bl tonight loving the fact that there are good fights all over the place. xoxo gf FT loves you guys though it felt like some of your peeps were getting annoyed at us xd

Now that leagues are starting I think we are going to have alot of pugs and pvers enter WvW in order to get the achievements. These guys generally are full zerker in very squishy/bad wvw builds. I think good thief players are going to have a field day wiping large groups of these noobs (as thief roamer this gonna be fun!!!). At the same time we are probably going to see a lot more threads of qqing and complaining about how the thief is so OP.

As someone who mains a thief its gets pretty tiresome reading thread after thread about THE mis-guided ideas people have about our class. Especially when we are currently mid to bottom tier in all aspects of the game atm. Then replying and giving people effective ways to counter the thief only to have your advice fall on deaf ears.

Lately the qqing has toned down a lot. People have learned how to counter thiefs and currently there and many other class that much stronger and more effective for less effort. The thing with the thief class is at high lvl pvp we are quite average/weak but on the other hand we are great a destroying new players. New players in glass builds that dont move or dodge as soon as you enter stealth, well need I say anymore?

WvW is going to have an influx of new players and with that I foresee alot of qqing so prepare to defend our class!!! Happy hunting to you all ;)

Now that leagues are starting I think we are going to get alot of pugs and pvers enter WvW in order to get the achievements. These guys generally are full zerker in very squishy/bad wvw builds. I think veteran wvwers are going to have a field day wiping larger groups of these noobs with small numbers (as small group roamer this gonna be fun!!!). At the same time we are probably going to see a lot more threads of qqing and complaining about opness of certain classes (esp mes and thief new players really struggle with stealth classes).

Prepare yourselves and happy hunting.

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this post is lol

Punny.9210:

personally i dont mind seeing warriors around instead of thiefs….

its way less annoying …..

no way thief so much easier to kill just make sure you have a way to interrupt there hs+bp combo and you are good to go. Also when capping camps or towers i’d rather deal with thiefs

Crovax.7854:

a t s e.9614:

dDuff.3860:

Build something like 10/0/0/30/30 and pick soldier/shaman’s
S/D+SB and just spam evades endlessly – bunkering points with zero effort.

Too mch efort when warrios have a PASSIVE regen

and no active heal.

kittenstorm inc in 3… 2… 1…

in regards to bunker, p/d with carrion and/or dire can be pretty tanky.

p/d condition thief is great a roaming but in group play not so much. Yes as pd you have lots of survivability but your damage is meh when compared to other condi builds such a necro or engi. Average dmg and very limited group support, your teamates will be targeted and killed but hey atlest you will survive right?

Stx.4857:

I think making any skill in the game un-dodgable is bad design, but that doesn’t change the fact that this new stealth counter wont really make a difference.

Who cares. /shrug

1v1 and maybe 2v2 yea no really difference but more than that the sic’em is very effective.

If you were expecting this skill to be an I win button against thiefs in a 1v1 situation then lol. This skill is really great in group play and has cause the death of many thiefs.

Himei.5379:

Mogar.9216:

lol 4 sec revealed on 40 s cool down in the hands of a weak class. If you can’t learn to deal with it, you have some serious l2p issues.

They’re just crying because their “Get out of jail free” card was countered. As a ranger main (and loving my new 80 thief to become 2nd main) I have a hard time killing a thief in WvW. It is NOT because they kill me, It’s because when they are losing, they stealth and run for their mommies. I asked my friend who mains a thief, “how can I kill a thief?”, his reply… “If he’s a stealth build, you never can.”

Will I be using Sic’em in WvW when I solo roam? Nah. It’s only useful in 1vs1 situations and it’s hardly 1vs1 in WvW.

Totally wrong in 1v1 sic’em wont be an issue. Its when you are doing 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, etc very easy to call target on thief and take him out. Ever been hit by condi necro burst? well even for the tankiest of thiefs you can go from full to almost zero in a couple of seconds, stealth heavily traited in the SA trait line is generally what will let you live by the skin of teeth.

Its in group play sic’em is really going to shine. These days with everyone running tanky builds with high regen its already easier to kill a thief or mesmer than it is to kill a tanky War, Guard, Necro, engi, Ele. Sic’em at the very lest should be avoidable if you dodge at the right time. The really stupid thing is that dp perma stealth thiefs aren’t going to be that badly affected compared to other thief builds.

dp Perma stealth is what is putting our profession in a sorry state(compared to other prof def not op just annoying). Any time anet decide to change/nerf some it feel like they are trying to tone down perma stealth thiefs but not everyone plays that spec and it seem they end up hurting more other thief build rather than perma stealth dp thiefs.

Hi guys I just finish my wvw session didnt really enjoy that much tbh. Running into so many groups running tanky Stun wars, necros(dire gear has turn them into a beast) and tanky as hell guards just got really tiresome. Lately it feels that the thief is so inadequate. Even in small scale fights where the thief is meant shine it feels like almost every other profession is more effective with less effort. Fighting over camps and sentries against other professions has recently got more annoying feels like the thief dps isnt enough anymore.

Incomparsion to other professions theif sucks a zerging, in small scale fights imo 2nd worst only just beating out the ranger, and at the moment the Warrior is probably the most effective roaming class great mobility can disengage from a bad situation very easily, has good dmg while being tanky at the same time. Also if a thief and War fight over a camp or sentry its very likely the war will win. I dont know maybe it just me but how does everyone else feel about the current state of the thief?

so much lag and dc in Bp bl wth?

This will me more harmful to other thiefs specs than the perma stealth dp spec bad move anet

Many times I have capped towers with multiply enemies inside sometimes with 10+ ppl its hilarious really

Reif.9234:

sminkiottone.6972:

dp thiefs are so annoying, not funny to fight against, I don’t bother with them anymore.

Hopefully anet will fix stealth in time, untill then we need to be patient with those little kids, and be supportive, most of them will probably quit cause of lack of skill after playing 1+ year with a broken mechanic.

I always laugh when a read " stealth is a main mechanic, without stealth thief is nothing" and bla bla bla, poor noobs

I guess you haven’t ever fought a good S/d thief. Because they are way way more annoying. You can still hit/damage/kill thiefs in stealth.

Only if you dont have any ranged option at you disposal juking/evade spam all over the place doesn’t drop target so you can still hit the sd thief more than you can hit a dp thief(assuming you have ranged attacks available) and the burst and survivability is less on sd thief. Many specs on thief played well can be annoying but dp perma stealth is by far the worst.

Maybe make ascended weps and the mats for them tradeable this would increase the demand and use for them.

Hmm dp thief isn’t close to being one of the strongest dueling sets but Perma stealth makes it one of the most annoying. Maybe put a 5sec cool down on the trait that returns 2 initiative upon using a stealth skill this would make the bp hs combo and cnd chaining bit more difficult to spam and would not affect thiefs that stealthed once and attacked what do you guys think?

At higher skill lvl they are ;]

Atlest in wow the rogue class was one of the strongest in pvp, where as at higher skill lvl the thief is currently mid/weak atm

Yea stealth fine, at higher skill lvl thief is kinda in the middle when it come to dueling 1v1 Mes, engi and wars is stronger atm rest is prob about even with thief (also depends on spec and build). Though thief is the best a killing noobs and less skilled players in 1vX situations. I agree that facing dp perma stealth is very annoying but its not op many other classes with stronger specs.

An obvious tip to beating dp is interupting hs through bp at the right time all classes have the ability to do that

Aussie aussie ausie oi oi oi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQIXC_VHghk I am from WA with only adsl 1 internet speed. Better vids with me being more outnumbered to come

SIC you guys doing a great job stick around a bit longer I know lots of people love having you guys on ioj

Also I have stolen so many camps and sentry points from dp thiefs.

To the Op classes/spec that can beat dp thiefs are lb/h wars, ms/gs war, phant mes, conditions mes(esp with perplex runes, condition egi( preferably with shield off hand), condition necros, sd elementalist, others thiefs basically any class that is built to duel can take on a dp perma stealth. All a class needs to defeat them is decent dps and a way to interrupt them from stealthing.

you cant go wrong with a warrior they can do everything.

op do you understand the thief class at all? this stat combo is not good for either burst or condi thiefs.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHNUtnV-GsI 5v1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V54roXQJQWs outnumbered wvw roaming
Hybrid thief game from couple months ago it is most definitly viable

come to ioj we got decent coverage for a tier no ques, lots of solo roaming, zerg battles, and a friendly community.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHNUtnV-GsI 5v1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V54roXQJQWs outnumbered wvw roaming

both vidoes of hybrid thief I also had a vidoes of a different hybrid sp/pd which I am currently using

ArtemisEntreri.4138: .[/quote]

"The whole time I was watching that was, Vince, you are so lucky X class didn’t do this."

That exactly what I was thinking as I was rewatching the video.

All server have been swapted and all the score are now kittened up lmao

lmao this is so lol

aspirine.6852:

And it kinda shows why people think this class is broken.

only against no so good players any class(with the right build) that understands how and pd thiefs works can quite easily shut him down(main tip deny cloak an dagger via blind, block, and cc).

Also this thief spec is not the high burst perma stealth spec that receives all the qq.

Definitely warrior they excel not only in all parts of wvw but in every aspect of the game.

Dp thief should never lose to pd thief.

3v1 pp thief vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZrsaTsXCU build is in the link

infantrydiv.1620:

It’s a nice vid and good gameplay... but also a textbook example of why perplexity runes are overpowered.

The part of perlpexity runes people have been callling op is the ability to coz 5 stacks of confusion on interrupt with no icd. The build I used in the video has no access to any cc so it can not make use of that function.

Hi guys here is another vid of me being heavily outnumber and running a muck in the enemy garrison enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQIXC_VHghk

stun skullcrack warrior close thread.

Dee Jay.2460:

For most part this was your standard Pistol/Dagger play-style.

If anything this clip highlights just how incredibly kittened the whole downed-state system is in PvP.

6 of us are getting owned by one guy? Nevermind...lets just rezz...

Hhaha yea man that down state jeez what a pain! very often I gotta down people 3 or 4 times to actually get the kill. Though I think without the down state causal players would have a very hard time playing wvw.

As it is now an organized 5 man team can quite easily kill 10 even 15 enemies and skilled players can take on small groups solo. The down state allows causals/pvers/less skilled players actually have a chance. Lets face it majority of wvwers are zergers/casuals who don’t really know much about how to pvp effectively. If the downstate was to ever be removed it would cause hardcore players to dominate and would probably cause pugs(majority of wvw) to become alienated from wvw. but yes i really do hate the down state

Great work man I really loved the video, we are in the same match up hopefully we can have a duel some time

Hi guys I dont actually think the ranger is op but they are a very strong dueling and roaming class check out this lvl 12 rangers fights in WvW defeating fully level geared up players its quite amusing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEF69Fewgmg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEF69Fewgmg this video pretty much sums up the actual skill lvl of majority of WvW

Odokuro.5049:

Just watched your video, I really liked it and you seem to be a good thief, keep it up and make more videos, please?

If you like that vid check this one out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQIXC_VHghk and yea I got lots of much better vids coming soon

yea i have a different hybrid build where i run pistol off have but with this build I got enough survivability cnd is a big party of my dps and I like the boon stipping sd offers it really helps when dealing with tanky gaurds and dd eles.

There seem to bit of and sudden interest in pp thiefs and so I thought i would bump this

Barfoi.9537:

When I see p/p thief in WvW they are a target to immediately pressure as hard as possible and expect them to die.

Is there another thief setup that can actually apply pressure in WvW? Melee thieves fail horribly in intense fights, and any that main a shortbow in open-field fights aren’t much better off. I’ve actually started ignoring those thieves for the most part, unless they try to target me.

Those must be really bad thiefs melee thief. Played right any dp, dd, sd are very effective but here is an old vid of mine 3v1 pp thief http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZrsaTsXCU

Here is a pp vid 3v1 build is in the description http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZrsaTsXCU