Guild Wars 2

TC is allied with every other server in the WvW ladder, simultaneously. Everyone who has fought us knows that ^^

DancingPenguins.9875:

Jaldy.6285:

I know this sounds selfish, but I’d really like to keep climbing that ladder. It feels good.

I have no clue why you want to WvW in “tier 1”. It’s not some fabled battleground with battle hardened veterans of WvW. If you want to experience it, then move to a T1 server. YOU are not climbing the ladder. There is no ladder. Glicko-2 ranking system isn’t applicable to the WvW premise and is wrongfully used for it.

Your post reeks of desperate panic, the exact same attitude that is the cause and a consequence of poor morale. If you want your server to get better, get more Oceanic population. BG simply has much superior coverage and SoR is mostly Oceanic. Trying to make up some silly excuse to justify your dead last position in “tier 2” is… sad.

Well, not that I fully agree on the OP’s stance, but you see where he is going with this. We know exactly where our coverage gap lies, but the server is always full. We can’t just “get more”.

That said, TC being the “RP server” is exactly what makes it special. I don’t RP, but I love running into RP or just watching it if I happen to walk by. People tend to be more laid back in general and morale is generally good, even when we are being hammered in WvW. TC has a massive population – it’s just that most of them don’t WvW, but I see it as untapped potential for the future So no, I don’t think kicking the RPers out is a good solution.

Blade.9317:

Score update brought to you by Feisty:

TC’s only keep is hills keep in BGBL. I have no idea what in the heavens is going on over there, but it’s funny.

NA Tier 2 should just settle their match with a rap battle. Screw this WvW zerg bullkitten, ain’t nobody got time for dat.

Strong, dominating servers that have good coverage are always going to be called “zerg servers” by bitter players from the losing sides. It happens in every tier, and it’s never nice to have your server denounced as “skill-less zerg”… but for the people on the receiving end, they are going to notice the big numbers and coverage before anything else comes to their mind. Everyone likes to think they can win if all other factors are equal.

Please ignore the trolls is all I can say. I think most sane people understand that BG is where they are by virtue of not only numbers (which they do have), but also experience and tactics honed by playing in the top 2 tiers since pretty much forever.

Score update:

BG: 190,333 (665)
SoR: 117,091 (20)
TC: 106,820 (+15)

These aren’t numbers befitting of “tier 2”…these are numbers when many players start to not show up, at least during this oceanic window/NA early morning timing.

It seems like a tier shake-up is in the making…a couple weeks back matches were fairly balanced across most tiers other than the bottom few, this week it seems nearly every single bracket is turning into a blowout, but the servers aren’t moving due to how the ratings work.

Edit: Correction. The blowout brackets this week are tiers 2, 5, 6, 7, 8. In particular, Blackgate, Dragonbrand, Devona’s Rest and Kaineng seem to be servers that need to move up, and all of them are in fact doing so other than Blackgate which might need another week or two. I’m no expert on the glicko system but tier 2 atm is fairly stale, with Blackgate clearly much stronger than the other 2 servers. Not too sure on how the T1 servers are doing, but perhaps we are having the old problem of having 4 “tier-1 ready” servers but only 3 slots in tier 1? Maybe we’ll go back to the old days where tier 2 is the place for whoever fell out of tier 1 to have a week of faceroll, and then the top 4 servers sort of take turns dropping down for freewin vacation weeks while the other 2 tier 2 servers just take the beating from different servers week after week. That would be amusing, but in a sad way for us

Alliances are so very fragile when no one individual can control what the server’s forces choose to do on any map. All it takes is one group hitting the wrong target to send the wrong message.

I remember when TC were dominating T3, there was one particular night where FA and CD pulled off a fairly successful 2v1 across all maps. TC was not prepared, and it was the first time in a long while that we lost nearly all our points during that particular attack. Sadly the makeshift alliance ended quickly and status quo was restored, but it did showcase how the top server CAN be kept down.

If I were BG, I would welcome this sort of arrangement from the opponents whenever it arises. You guys are the strongest server and could use the challenge in preparation for T1, where I understand 2v1s are far more common and organized. For SoR and TC, it depends on whether the players want to fight for 2nd or make an effort to threaten the strongest server. I personally think the latter is more fun

Long ago they once provided queue time data…I don’t see why such information cannot be made easily available (especially since they already provided it once…)

Just switch to a red server, gosh. I can’t believe this exploration rubbish is still going on after two full weeks.

Unless the tier is extremely unbalanced each server will likely have the northern holdings on their own borderlands when they have a playing population in WvW. Just pick a red server in the top few tiers, get your god kitten points and transfer back to CD in a week. If you had listened to the like 20 people telling you to do this since god knows how many weeks ago nobody will be having this discussion.

FYI your server CD is very competitive and has been doing very well in the tier especially in the first few days, if you actually work as hard as you say you do in getting the points I don’t believe you will have problems. WvW for the WvW points, or take the server transfer alternative and the week-long vacation. Don’t whine.

Nice to see the attitude lighten up as we approach reset day.

From my experience, any server that wins through force of coverage will have to withstand accusations that they only win by numbers. TC was also a victim of this in T3 – but if everybody realized that the final score is basically a representation of coverage and that everyone is ultimately playing WvW for fun, not some imaginary victory with no tangible reward anyway, then we can stop having locked threads and feel indignant over a game. Less complaining by the losers about how they will win if they had numbers (you don’t know this), and less chest thumping by the winners who should well know that they had coverage and inevitability on their side. Then we can all be happy ^__^

Enemy zergs are always 30 more than what they really are while your own zergs are always half as many as you actually have. It’s how things work

Score update as we wind down for the week

Arcadio.6875:

Don’t get overconfident. WvW is an unbalanced game as it relies on population. You can go from destroying one tier to getting crushed in the tier above it. I really doubt you guys would beat DR if you were to have a rematch next week.

Indeed, one tier’s zerg server is another tier’s outmanned underdog…

covenn.7165:

Jeknar.6184:

And finally BG took the lead…

Scores for 3pm on GMT -3 (9am on PST)

No real surprise given the time. Normal as usual, though I was hoping TC had a better time slot coverage here than us to at least slow them down

Actually the 10 or so of us on TCBL were just crossing our fingers hoping BG will take longer to finish with SoR so they would leave our stuff alone for a little longer lol.

It’s been said many times before that oceanic is TC’s major coverage gap, one we seem to share with SoR. We really can’t spare the help, as much as we would love to.

Maniac.5163:

TC enters matchup thread of a tier it isn’t playing in..
thread derails from nice conversation to a flame war..
Just stick to your own matchup thread and get your own threads closed/moderated, thanks TC..
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out Merry X-Mas!

Actually, it goes more like

1. TC member responds to CD player asking how their server can deal with elements of the new competition.

2. Some guy starts being angry.

I see no flame war

Leon.2769:

ykyk.2740:

Indeed, we are now in the position of the underdogs. Observe a key difference though – I’m pretty sure none of us are whining about it. A cursory skim through the current T2 threads will confirm that, along with nothing but confirmation from the T2 mainstays of our tenacity and spirit.

Other servers might instead complain that the enemies have too many and take to some solid forum warfare as release. Or insult other servers when they drop by to offer advice from their new experiences. Observe that Kerithlan offered nothing but genuine advice in response to a previous post, and then someone snapped and attacked his server for absolutely no reason other than what I imagine to be a lot of pent up frustration. From a game, no less!

Don’t worry about the other peeps trolling you guys. We’re still kinda sour from the constant fighting of you guys. I’ve been keeping up on your t2 debut and so far you have been doing good. Keep up the good work TC.

So far I’ve been having loads of fun on this match up. Hopefully the funzies continue on :p

Thank you for the kind words. It is simple for us to look at the trolling and bitterness as certain people being sore losers, but many of us did genuinely enjoy our time in T3 which is why some people still post in the T3 threads and keep up with how it’s going. On that note, it’s great to see such a balanced fight in T3 and what seems to be revitalized efforts from CD/FA as a result of TC’s departure. If we are to meet again, I’m sure all of us will be looking forward to a much more competitive encounter and good old times

Indeed, we are now in the position of the underdogs. Observe a key difference though – I’m pretty sure none of us are whining about it. A cursory skim through the current T2 threads will confirm that, along with nothing but confirmation from the T2 mainstays of our tenacity and spirit.

Other servers might instead complain that the enemies have too many and take to some solid forum warfare as release. Or insult other servers when they drop by to offer advice from their new experiences. Observe that Kerithlan offered nothing but genuine advice in response to a previous post, and then someone snapped and attacked his server for absolutely no reason other than what I imagine to be a lot of pent up frustration. From a game, no less!

What makes you think we aren’t outnumbered in T2?

Either way, there’s hardly a point to this meaningless banter. You are of course welcome to believe whatever you wish to regarding the position of your server and mine. Best of luck to our old foes in T3 and Merry Christmas to all.

Absinth.6917:

Kerithlan.1659:

Hekatombaion.4320:

Riddickk.7091:

Absinth.6917:

Hek; I agree with you on the squishy, not enough getting yelled at, and the running away/wiped parts. CD is a great server but sometimes we are so disorganized that nothing can be accomplished due to lack of initiative. Our main issue is being reactive instead of proactive….well that and severe tunnel vision….and a sudden outbreak of blue doritos.

All that being said – I’m having a great time and I hope our fellows in arms as well as our current foes are having as much fun as I am.

Merry X-mas and stuff everyone. I hope Santa brings you something nice.

/salute

From an IOJ perspective, both servers seem to be a lot squishier than what we’re used to. There have been times when I(as a GS warrior) would get into your backline and you’d have people just standing there taking it in the face without moving or dodging and they drop in 2seconds. It’s also pretty appearent that most of your server is not used to open world battles because they fold so easily on force multipliers( I.E. dps focus onto a certain position). This problem is exacerbated especially to my guild since we run fairly skirmisher heavy(warriors/thieves/guardians/bomb engineers) because we can just cut a swath through your front line and as soon as 4 or 5 guys go down everyone just turns and runs.

I’ve been saying that for awhile but I’ve got no idea what to do about it. Within a guild you can break tendencies like that but are there any options for teaching the less WvW focused players or even having a zerg commander somehow adjusting that behavior?

TC has been crashing into problems like this from SoR and BG, and what’s happened is our commanders (mostly with PiNK) have taken a few moments to explain why we’re breaking. Slowly but surely more people are getting the hang of it, and we’re starting to hold more firmly.

Just calmly and politely explain why things went wrong and how they can improve, taking care not to single anyone out. Instant change won’t happen but if your server is willing to remain calm and light-hearted about things then it’s a lot easier to adapt.

Actually the reason why TC is breaking is because you have grown used to your numbers advantage doing the work. Now that you are on a level playing field….you are breaking. Methinks you will be relegated to being the tier 3 gateway server soon enough.

What goes around comes around, eh?

I will admit that even though you are losing it isn’t by too large of a margin. Yet.

No need to be sore, although what you are saying is true as far as us not being used to the higher level of competition goes. Obviously, as newcomers to a higher tier we entered and found ourselves faced with stronger servers who’ve played at a higher level for much longer than us. It will take time to raise the level of the militia to match the open-field tactics used in T2, but from what I’m seeing we’re adapting fine. This applies to T3 as well – given time (and enough wipes) the troops will eventually have to up their game. Those that don’t will simply get tired of dying and stop showing up. IoJ bring with them months of higher tier experience facing servers like BG and SoR. Those guys don’t kitten around. It’s only to be expected that IoJ will be bringing what they’ve learnt to the T3, and that can only be good for everyone involved in terms of improving as servers.

As for us going back to being T3 gatekeepers…perhaps. Who can really tell, with transfers being the way they are? What I can tell is you really want us to fail terribly in T2 to soothe the weeks of defeat at our hands, and I’m sorry we aren’t delivering on that front. Anyway, are you sure you want us back? T3 in its current state looks great.

Zoel.9154:

Sunspots.9861:

Great Job CD.

[Team Dolyak] – We will never forget!

I high five myself every time I see a signature like this. It’s great that you guys are so concerned with us while in an entirely different tier.

It might be hard to believe, but most of us on TC enjoyed the times we had with the other servers. T2 is all serious business and the other 2 servers kind of hate each other, tbh I kind of miss messing around in T3 even though we probably made things a little tiresome by winning every week.

Besides, so far it seems the tiers are getting shaken up again and the gap between tiers is no longer as large as it used to be. We could well be seeing each other again!

Fighting tooth and nail against an ongoing 2v1

“Any mesmers in the JP?”

Arcadio.6875:

A lot of people are unaware TC is gone.

Edit: Hey your signature is similar to mine!!!

We can’t be that hated… =/

Why is the whole video about TC dying

I thought BG was supposed to have the epic oceanic force and SoR’s weak spot is oceanic timing! Lies, all lies :P

That aside, cheers to a great opening day, to the insomniacs (or ninja oceanics) of SoR and to BG destroying us all over the week. Happy holidays!

And…BOOM, new build.

Really feeling the new level of competition. I don’t know how the populations of the other servers will fluctuate but I don’t think it will be close…TC has a lot to learn from this tier.

I sure hope TC is taking a break and preparing for the reset because the maps are barren today…FA and CD are having a field day with us atm.

TheDevilWithinU.7092:

ykyk.2740:

nelspec.5804:

Being on IoJ is suffering, eversince the weekly matches started IoJ has probably only won 1 out of it’s 16 matches. Hope T3 could make a change.

This. I really, really respect the core players left on IoJ. If I recall T2 for a good while was the stomping ground of whoever out of SBI/JQ/ET that fell to T2 that week. After ET imploded it became SoS playground, and now Blackgate. Takes character to keep on fighting in a competitive tier you know you almost can’t win.

T2 a stomping ground for BG? You must be kidding. They have 24/7 coverage against both SoR/IoJ and they still can barely hold the lead against us (SoR). If anything they are scraping by because they can hold the maps for a couple hours each day while we all sleep. Once we get a night crew we can take anybody on. Don’t think so lightly of SoR, we are T1 material.

Well, I apologize if that came off as offensive to your server, that was never my intention. I obviously don’t know the T2 environment very well other than the fact that Blackgate has been winning for awhile. Comparatively, both BG and SoR beat TC to the ground the last time we played so I have no doubt that both are much stronger servers.

nelspec.5804:

Being on IoJ is suffering, eversince the weekly matches started IoJ has probably only won 1 out of it’s 16 matches. Hope T3 could make a change.

This. I really, really respect the core players left on IoJ. If I recall T2 for a good while was the stomping ground of whoever out of SBI/JQ/ET that fell to T2 that week. After ET imploded it became SoS playground, and now Blackgate. Takes character to keep on fighting in a competitive tier you know you almost can’t win.

We’re harmless, really!

BG has no need to worry. We’ve been green on EB for so long that I’m sure we’ll spend a couple days at least throwing ourselves into your keep thinking it’s still ours

In all likelihood we are going to lose in T2, and badly at that. But it’s a good change methinks. WvW has gotten dull after constant winning because more people start to play for your side and less people turn up for the enemies, and then you just win more…FA and CD have not been showing up in the forces we’ve seen them be capable of, and it’s no doubt partly because TC winning week in and week out is simply getting old. Whether we stay on in T2 as the third place server or if IoJ can find their pace and reclaim their spot, it’ll still be a change and god knows everyone in these tiers need some of that.

Bunzy.8674:

ykyk.2740:

Bunzy.8674:

demoncijapsel.4650:

Bunzy.8674:

Honestly everyone from Ehrmy Bay should come to Maguuma, it will make us more competitive and we can get revenge on the people who outmanned us all them times. Show them with equal numbers how well we can do.

I find your lack of sportsmanship disturbing. However you can even win when outmanned, YB is the proof, we did pretty decent in T3, even though the other servers FA and TC had a better spread of population and utterly ganked us during nighttime, yet we did pretty good and we even beat FA from time to time.

You did so well in T3 you are now in T4 o.O

Actually, Yaks are in T4 because Ebay and Mag lost so badly to CD that their rating got jacked all the way up, even past that of FA.

Just a thought eh.

All I can say to this is: LOL

Well…

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/11#NA

CD had more than the other 2 servers combined. Thus they moved up, and with them someone had to move down. A cursory review of the weeks before that will reveal that Yaks were always competitive in T3 until CD got the points surge. They actually beat CD too.

No hard feelings, just laying it out as it is.

Bunzy.8674:

demoncijapsel.4650:

Bunzy.8674:

Honestly everyone from Ehrmy Bay should come to Maguuma, it will make us more competitive and we can get revenge on the people who outmanned us all them times. Show them with equal numbers how well we can do.

I find your lack of sportsmanship disturbing. However you can even win when outmanned, YB is the proof, we did pretty decent in T3, even though the other servers FA and TC had a better spread of population and utterly ganked us during nighttime, yet we did pretty good and we even beat FA from time to time.

You did so well in T3 you are now in T4 o.O

Actually, Yaks are in T4 because Ebay and Mag lost so badly to CD that their rating got jacked all the way up, even past that of FA.

Just a thought eh.

Isn’t OBEY some transfer from a low tier server? Sorry FA has to become the home of such a bunch, you guys deserve better.

Exploits aside, FA’s invasion of TCBL a few hours back made for really exciting battles. Your guys split up and had us outmaneuvered for quite awhile before we found our pace.

Don’t put it up there as “COMING SOON” if it actually isn’t…

Just makes it like 10 times more aggravating.

Nobody likes to lose against vastly superior numbers. When they do, the easiest thing to blame is…vastly superior numbers.

TC never has 4 map queues except on reset night. And even that is a 5-10 minute queue other than for EBG.

The only other time we ever had 4 (really 3, since our own BL was locked down) map queues outside of reset night was when the Dolyak event got sabotaged and TC went all jihad on FA.

As for whoever thought we are a strong oceanic/Asian server…no. We are usually outmanned during that time period. I think we are either the weakest or close to the weakest among the T3 servers in that time period.

I’m pretty sure nobody cares enough about this whole elite gank squad business to bother taking videos of every encounter just to prove some non-existent point. Some servers focus on tangible results, such as the bar on the top of the screen that shows how many points you get. That’s evidence.

It’s sad that so many people here are replacing CD with Yaks for your latest subject of ridicule of being unskilled or whatever because you can’t beat these servers. Without exception, losers calling out winners just look silly.

We’ll probably hit like +20ppt during oceanic times and be firmly in last. As for what that’ll do to our morale…time to see if we still have the spirit from the BG/SoR days (oh hey we’ll fight them both if we go to T2 hooray >_>)

Bunzy.8674:

fivekiller.1432:

Bunzy.8674:

Who needs skill when we have numbers! – YB OFFICIAL MOTTO.
This is why they got stomped in Tier 3, because without having a major numbers advantage they were lost and didn’t know what to do.

None of the servers in this matchup were stomped in Tier 3.

The only reason a server moved from T3 to T4 was because CD had a blowout victory in T4 and had to move up. FA and Yak’s had less than a 10k point difference at the end of the match. Yaks even scored higher than FA at times.

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The more you know!

FA has less of a population then YB does, this is what makes it funny!

YB had the least population out of TC/CD/FA/YB (it’s in that order). And they didn’t “get stomped” in T3. They did just as well compared to CD and FA.

It’s a sad state of affairs when YB are being branded as a zerg server with no skill in tier 4 because we considered them the exact opposite of that in T3.

katniss.6735:

@Tatania
The fact is right there: You (at Yak’s Bend) cannot pvp in a 5 man or less in WvW.

That has nothing to do with “my game”. smh So much drama instead of actual competition.

Just now 5 of us were pushing your west keep and your 10-15 player defense would not leave the cannons. Respect? No.

I’m guessing they built the cannons so they can use them

I believe there are balance reasons behind the G→B→R rotation. Green has the worst keep and is given to the top ranked server, Red has the best keep and is given to the lowest ranked server. There are other asymmetries as well.

I do feel for CD’s situation because you guys are doing too well to be red in T3, not well enough to become red in T2 and will definitely not be red in T4 no matter how poorly you do. TC (green) has so much presence that CD is unlikely to outpush TC on red BL even when they do try. I believe last week (during TC’s massive push into FABL after the Dolyak event) there was actually one CD who spoke to some of our leaders and was allowed into the FA hills keep relatively unscathed for the POI… if all else fails you could try to PM some of the more prominent leaders on TC and see if something can be arranged, I guess? I won’t bank on it though.

Also, some of the POIs can actually be accessed without owning the place (I think some of the Northern towers).

That’s the way the system is. It’s not like there is nothing you can do about it – you can coordinate with a guild big enough to push for the points you need (you know, WvW to get the WvW points?), you can just be more active in WvW and hope that you happen to be around when your server makes a good push on the map you need, or you can change servers if you insist on not WvWing for the damn WvW points.

It’s nobody’s problem if you don’t want to do any of the above. Stop being so entitled, it’s not like every other person who got their world completion didn’t have your problem.

Love the letters.

Unfortunately the tiers are looking to be stagnant again this week. To avoid that TC has to win really hard while IoJ simultaneously underperforms, that or FA has to do very badly this week while Yaks rolls their matchup.

I was on EB and was wondering what’s the deal because Hills WP was uncontested, and then barely 2 minutes later we lost the keep.

I can’t believe people are complaining about this one. It’s ridiculously easy.

Population caps based on opposing servers is terrible. Nobody should be denied a spot in WvW because the other servers can’t keep up.

Say a match is balanced in population and suddenly half the population of server A logs off for the night. Does half from server B get ejected from the match even if they want to sleep later to put in longer hours in the game? Say your server has a majority NA population and the enemy has a majority Asian/Oceanic population. Now you get a situation where the NA server can’t play during their own play time and the Asian server can’t play during theirs because of their opponent’s demographics. Nonsense.

Well, Tarnished Coast has a perfect 100% record against Sea of Sorrows, so there

I kid, of course. But a dynamic pop cap isn’t the answer either. No server should be denied a playing spot because the other servers don’t match up.

TC was out in force for a particular reason today. I’m guessing after they accomplished their objective (of bringing FA to zero) they decided oh what the hell and went on to do it to CD as well. I’m pretty sure this doesn’t happen everyday. If we had this kind of margin everyday you won’t be seeing our damn faces for months on end because we’ll be in a higher tier.

Arcadio.6875:

Raincrow.1840:

It has everything to do with organization. If those guilds were on CD, I’d be looking to hop servers.

No guild is required by the game to be a part of the server’s community and abide by the rules set out by its players. Organization simply has nothing to do with this. Their actions were not endorsed by the rest of FA and it has been acknowledged by the other servers that these two guilds were told not to crash the party on team chat. People blaming FA are doing so, because they want to and not because there is good reason.

And those saying we should be upset at them and not at TC players, why? TC players are the ones who decided to retaliate against FA as a whole. You guys could have specifically targeted these two guilds or even just laughed it off.

Edit: WTF, every time I post there’s a ton of new posts since I started typing.

Well, I’m guessing there was a lot of rage and no other way to release it other than target the server the aggressors come from.

I think the whole event is a hoot. It’s great that opposing servers can even come together and have something like this – how often do you see this in any other tier? Then your typical party poopers came to crash, and then everyone use it as an excuse to rally and rampage around the map. I think it’s funny, but many people seem to take it way too seriously.

waeren.9743:

You are fighting the same people because the system has decided it’s the most fair matchup you can get. If that’s the case then I don’t know why you’re complaining.

Getting crushed or crushing your opponents is no fun,

Except we can’t tell for sure. Look at Borlis Pass for example – they were stuck in tier 7 for a long while never able to break out, and only managed to do so when the HoD/ET train reached the lower tiers and blew the tiers apart for awhile. Now they’re pushing tier 5. For all we know, they could have been tier 5 level all along but somehow the rating system had prevented them from moving up without outside help in the form of crashing servers.

As far as fair matchup goes, I still think we’re doing quite fine. Comparing the EU top tiers vs NA top tiers shows much much more balance on the NA side, even though each tier still has a clear favorite. It’s just that there’s always an issue of stagnation.