You just described the T1 servers basically
TC is as good a choice as any but honestly there isn’t going to be a massive change in playstyle whichever server you pick.
If you aren’t 20k ahead of the 2 other T2 servers 1 day after reset there is zero chance you can do anything in T1 other than get spawncamped.
There is also 0 chance anyone from YB said anything about t1 in the first place.
Was replying to OP, way to be defensive about nothing? Why cry so hard?
I know TC has a solid SG player base if you want to remain in T1. Don’t expect to faceroll the way JQ does in that timezone though.
I think Crystal Desert has something going on as well, as far kitten players go.
If you aren’t 20k ahead of the 2 other T2 servers 1 day after reset there is zero chance you can do anything in T1 other than get spawncamped.
Stop raising server caps please!
Translation:
> Stop earning money from server transfer gem sales please!
Yeah why don’t you think long and hard about that.
Sounds like a good idea!
We should also have WvW mode in pve maps so WvW players can karma train on pve scrubs who complain too much about map completion in WvW.
JQ and BG clean the floor with SoS’s face, JQ gets bumped down to tier 2 instead of SoS. Because 2nd place is worse than 3rd. GG.
“No repeated matchups”
Gotta have that variety. Because it’s refreshing when people with differently-spelled red names roll over you.
I’m from TC and although I cannot speak for the server I will tell you that the only difference between a t2 and a t1 server is the defense.
I’m from TC and I’m pretty sure the only difference between T2 and T1 is that T1 has about 5 times the population.
Sometimes I feel bad for servers with lopsided coverage. You may be legitimately trying to help the weaker timezones who aren’t having fun but it’s hard for people outside the server to look past the 100k-margin wins for months on end that you probably can’t even help because your enemies simply aren’t playing during your strong hours. So your “strong timezone” becomes terrible at the game itself because they never have to fight and never get to improve (see: DB SEA, SoS OCX whenever they roll higher tier servers), while your weak timezones mostly attract bandwagon-type guilds trying to stack on a server with existing offhours coverage (once again, DB and SoS) or the occasional “l33t for fights open field!!!11” types that quit or transfer after about one month. Must suck to be on those servers.
As a new player I am very sad that you would suggest such a thing. What do you think would happen if I started the game and saw so many colors? Obviously I would be confused and stop playing. Please don’t discriminate against new players.
Congrats on figuring this out! Yes, joining the winners would in fact allow you to also win.
It’s not about being jealous of others paying, it’s about disliking a business model and just seeing people around with that icon. It’s irritating. Also, trade limit?!
a business model which will only have a positive impact on you.
That money people are going to spend each month to be a VIP (guessing it is a subscription) will go back into development.
The free development you are going to get will outweigh the game braking visual discontinuity of seeing a small icon above a players head.
If enough of us sign up for VIP maybe we can get another color for the commander tag by 2016!
You people can’t be suggesting that the players know more about what they want compared to the developers?
They’ve already said that all of you guys are basically too dumb to play the game so they went to all this effort to improve our experience, the least we could do is to stop whining on the forums and buy 6000 gems minimum ASAP to encourage the dev team.
I, for one, am excited for synchronization with the superior Chinese model so that I can efficiently pay ArenaNet copious amounts of money for all the hard work and effort they’ve put into this game!
Everything done to the game = buy more gems.
Winning in WvW is having the highest total score at the end of the matchup. This isn’t up for debate, it’s the only visible score for a reason.
Only server winning is defined that way. Individual victory can be achieved any number of ways. Winning to many is defined as being successful in ones endeavor.
Yes, but your question was “how do you define winning in WvW”. There is only one answer to that.
What you are describing would be winning open-field fights, or small scale engagements, or even a prolonged battle over a key objective. These are all perfectly fine ways to have fun and most of the time is all you can ask for in a scoring mode as inherently flawed as WvW. Nevertheless, that’s not how winning in WvW is defined.
What you are saying is equivalent to suggesting that in any other competition, the losing team (who lose as described by the rules of the game) can claim they won because of some arbitrary measure they defined – such as they “had more fun” or “played better even though they lost”. Nobody will take them seriously. That’s not how competition works, no matter how flawed WvW’s brand of “competition” is.
Winning in WvW is having the highest total score at the end of the matchup. This isn’t up for debate, it’s the only visible score for a reason.
Whether this victory has any meaning however is an entirely different topic of course.
I love people who are self-appointed experts on our off-hours coverage.
Don’t you make a living out of doing the exact same thing about other servers?
rekt
T2 is dead. There’s no saving it outside of a chunk of SoS moving up to T1 out of boredom. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet, you would think anyone remotely interested in actually playing WvW on that server would have left it by now.
There’s no system that works when the populations are this skewed to the top. Nobody wants the last spot in gold because they will be crushed by SoS, let alone any T1 server and it won’t be remotely close. They need to make it 12/12 or something, at least servers in the 5-6 spot won’t be stuck in purgatory for an entire month that way.
I dont wvw….and wvw map should not be a part of world completion. The pvp maps arent needed for world completion, the dungeons points arent needed for world completion, the mists arent needed for world completion. So why in the kitten should the WVW no talent zerg, scrubfest be needed for completion??
Because the tears of PvE scrublords are always delicious, especially when they are delivered to the WvW forums.
LOL..I’m not a Pver either scrub. I am a PvPer that just wants WC for the legendary.
And, c’mon lets be serious. It takes no skill to run in a blob all day long and proclaim youre a good player after zerging smaller groups. However, if u wanna move up to real PVP let me know and I’ll school you. Zerg scrub.There are more diverse things at work in WvW than just zerging. And throwing around the word “scrub” seems hypocritical since in this case it would be you that’s not seeing the whole picture. Good for you, you PvP. We all enjoy different aspects of the game. Before insulting people and assuming things you clearly know nothing about, it might be a good idea to do a little experimental research such as engaging in the other activities of WvW, namely scouting, roaming, havocing, etc. Blobbing takes very little effort but there is still a degree of attention that’s necessary. If all you’re doing is AFK 111111111111ing you’re going to die pretty fast. And a good blob will have very few deaths, which means very few people are being total zombies. So please remove yourself from the WvW forums, I think it’s quite obvious we’re not prepared to bask in the rays of your PvP magnificence at this point in time. Perhaps some day in the future we will be able to handle your presence but for now we will happily jump on your corpse and /laugh until you leave the map, turn to the forums and QQ about your dismay.
Actually i can discuss any aspect of this game, because i have done them all. You say it takes skill to play in WVW?? When did this happen? The few years Ive been playing this game and going into WVW its always a zergfest. Sure you can scout, and once spotted, what to do most scouts do??? Run back to the zerg, even its a solo. Then that solo follows the scout hoping for a fair fight and gets zerged.
Lets see what else is there in WVW?? Oh ya you can sit at a keep all day and make call-outs if someone gets close. Then the ZERG comes in to save the day hopefully.
The wvw world scene is full of sheep. I put my commander tag on all the time while camping spawns. And the sheep are drawn to that blue tag, because most are scrubs. Hell, i had 27 people a week back just camping spawns. I did it for kittens and giggles just to see how bad WVW players are. And i wasnt surprised.
You can rally 27 to camp spawns by casually tagging up but your server is always outzerged and you can’t take any points from big bad TC and JQ!
I think you are too skilled for WvW as you said. When you have this much skill the game makes it such that you can’t ever accomplish anything except cry on the forums in order to make it fair for the hordes of sheep that have no skill but aren’t crying. Good system that is. What to do then? I heard intensifying the crying could get you places. You could also drop some of that sweet cash that you surely have from playing so long and being so skilled (I heard PvP gives sick rewards) and transfer for the remaining POI. I think crying is funnier though.
I dont wvw….and wvw map should not be a part of world completion. The pvp maps arent needed for world completion, the dungeons points arent needed for world completion, the mists arent needed for world completion. So why in the kitten should the WVW no talent zerg, scrubfest be needed for completion??
Because the tears of PvE scrublords are always delicious, especially when they are delivered to the WvW forums.
LOL..I’m not a Pver either scrub. I am a PvPer that just wants WC for the legendary.
And, c’mon lets be serious. It takes no skill to run in a blob all day long and proclaim youre a good player after zerging smaller groups. However, if u wanna move up to real PVP let me know and I’ll school you. Zerg scrub.
Cool story, I’m a WvWer who just wants 5000000 gold for all the legendaries. Also PvP is 99% little kids facerolling meta condi builds and thinking they are skilled because they get solo kills on other scrubs. Please direct future tears to ANET Gem Store because this thread has dried up on entertainment value awhile ago.
I wonder how that female on the show can actually pretend to be excited about this new “tournament”. It is the same boring mess as tournament 2, just shorter. Why can’t they see that?
They have to convince people otherwise, of course.
The more frightening alternative is that they genuinely think this would be exciting in which case WvW is 100% doomed.
I dont wvw….and wvw map should not be a part of world completion. The pvp maps arent needed for world completion, the dungeons points arent needed for world completion, the mists arent needed for world completion. So why in the kitten should the WVW no talent zerg, scrubfest be needed for completion??
Because the tears of PvE scrublords are always delicious, especially when they are delivered to the WvW forums.
I feel for your plight and will pray for your continued success against the evil that is having to play WvW and take objectives to get WvW map completion.
Look the server that got stacked is doing so well against servers that didn’t get stacked, props to them!
Server that got stacked is really going on a tear recently, we’re so Excited™ to see what the future holds for silver league this time round!
I play wvw for fun, I just think it’s ridiculous that a guy can hit rank 10,000 and still not have most of the wvw achievements because of how long it takes. Whats so hard about changing a few numbers after all this time?
But none of us understand the hardships of game development!
For all we know it takes 3 years and a human sacrifice to change a few numbers. Is that what you want? IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT.
It is possible to catch all 12 yaks on a map once u have killed them to set the in order. There a method to it also ur math is wrong. There r 8736 hrs in a year. So if ur one of those people who spend 16hrs a day playing gw2 it’s posible
That is making A LOT of assumptions:
- All camps on a map are flippable which is rarely the case
- No resistance is encountered
- A single player is the only one hunting said yaks
- Yaks never get bugged
- A map never has a queue
- The player doesn’t have some other life obligations
- The game will still be here years from now
Blah, Blah, Blah… it is theoretically possible just not realistic. Nobody will ever get that title in its current state.
Don’t you get it one of the NPCs in the new pve map has a clipping issue with his hat and 90% of dev time is currently being channeled into fixing it to improve player experience. You must understand game dev is hard and none of you understand Anet’s priorities! I know they can’t talk about anything but it’s 2014 already so don’t tell me most of you aren’t psychic yet.
For me I know Anet is Fully Aware of this Issue and are Discussing it Internally™. Remember, even if nobody says kitten they are always reading our feedback! It just takes 2 years to respond, that’s all.
See the way this works is if you don’t like your server due to whatever reason, you pay the gems to get out of it.
What this is asking for is for Anet to give that to you for free. Think about it that way and maybe you see why this isn’t happening.
Please stay on topic guys, this thread is about how JQ is hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned in every timezone against stacklords BG and TC.
You are not wrong.
Even on “real” WvW maps, 95% of the time blobbing up in one group is the most effective way to take objectives and that is what you will see. You should run with dedicated WvW guilds if you want anything other than that type of gameplay.
Because when a player/guild sucks at all other aspects of wvw so decides to focus on “gvg” fights, only to find that they are inadequate at that as well, they quit.
Also it was all fun when everyone was focused on the fights and running in guild groups only. Then one server decided it would be more fun running in a 50+ man zerg in all time zones. The other two server don’t have the coverage to do it themselves neither is it particularly fun to fight map blobs with just 15-20 people so they stopped turning up to wvw because as long as said server is in T2, it won’t be what we all hoped it would be .
This. Truth hurts.
Has the bar been set so low that this tripe of an update is great news?
See, if you just release new colors (which we all know takes about 2 years’ worth of hard work) people will be underwhelmed and complain.
If you release new colors and attach ridiculous conditions to them and then retract afterwards, you end up delivering the same thing but now people are like “thanks for listening! You guys did something right!” and then you have 2 more years to work on the next exciting WvW update, Waypoint Mastery.
ANet really don`t understand what WvW players want…
You dare question Anet? They know what the players want, more than the players themselves do.
Remember, all the people complaining are just a drop in the ocean compared to the billions of satisfied players.
I’m really excited™ about this. I can’t wait for season 3! Until then, I’ll be busying myself with all the awesome Living Story™ content.
PvE rolls in the big bucks. WvW doesn’t, so dev effort is allocated accordingly.
Get used to it and realize that complaining gets you nowhere or play another game.
And how is WvW supposed to bring in bucks if there’s essentially zero full-time development done on it for two years?
Do I look like Anet to you?
Their approach is plain to see, but not so much the rationale. Either way, that’s how it has been.
PvE rolls in the big bucks. WvW doesn’t, so dev effort is allocated accordingly.
Get used to it and realize that complaining gets you nowhere or play another game.
If badges of honor can’t be used to replace or at least subsidize the use of gold for these different color tags we will have actual confirmation that Anet in fact gives literally zero kittens about WvW players.
Anet doesn’t have to do a thing as long as people keep playing the game, no matter how unhappy about it they are. Why would they say anything?
Are you kidding me? Just find a day and logon during SEA prime time, JQ caps every map.
Anet and answer in the same sentence on WvW forums
you must be new
Doesn’t really matter how difficult or easy the fixes really are if there’s zero personnel working on it.
They’re reading our feedback all the time, don’t worry! We know it’s true because they say so. There’s no communication and no sign of changes that are about two years late, but it’s OK because we know we are being heard.
Stay tuned for WvW season 3! Coming soon with attractive transfer pricing options.
This “we can’t talk about it until it’s ready” only works if you have a track record of delivering anything at all.
They don’t want to say anything until they are able to make the 100% awesome mega perfect patch that solves world hunger and global warming.
WvW players don’t pay gems outside of transferring during seasons anyway, so you guys should have no complaints waiting till then!
Every red icon on the front page is a necro, ez.
Good to see threads can turn into mud-slinging against servers for no reason whatsoever.
I don’t think I’ve ever come across a game company – much less an MMO-publishing one – that’s as hostile towards its own customers as this one. Instead of developing and monetizing on the game with a long-term vision they seem to prefer ignoring us and doling out bans and infractions for voicing opinions. Everything about the way they conduct marketing and development now says that they want to squeeze as much money out of the game as fast as possible, and are not concerned at all about the long-term. GW1 ran for six years… I don’t foresee this game getting there. The mechanics and beautiful graphics are excellent, but the direction of their development is about as anti-consumer as they can get.
They’re developing and monetizing on the game. There’s a vision all right, but WvW is not part of it.
Thats why they need that long to fix it duh