Guild Wars 2

There really isn’t a lot to say, WvW doesn’t exactly have enough substance to do a show on. A short segment to recap latest happenings in the tournament, maybe, but not a full show.

Waage.2047:

ykyk.2740:

How can one server be so oblivious.

It doesn’t matter if the 2v1 is justified or not, if BG is indeed more stacked or if they are just infinitely more skilled, or if TC and JQ are both run by horrible dictators mind-controlling two servers full of sheep into doing evil deeds for tournament tickets.

The only thing that matters is that there is nothing wrong with a 2v1. Anet describes it as “cool gameplay”, BG whiners got told. If this makes anyone sad, take a video of yourself crying out a river and send it Anet and see if their stance changes.

The issue is more that you are destroying wvw in the long run. After all this sets a precedence and now we on BG will have to make a “Destroy that server” alliance to keep op with what you guys do.

Also there is no dynamic fights any more JQ will take first TC second and the rest is history because you guys stooped trying. Instead of fighting you sit around and wait.
I mean it is kind of dull. Yeah i get great fights, but the spark and dynamic of the wvw is gone.

It is not longer a epic fight between 3 servers to see whose best instead it is 2 servers win trading and not fighting because TC is okay with being number 2.

1. The majority of players don’t give a crap about “destroying” BG, don’t overrate yourselves. This has clearly been about putting BG in third, and nothing more. The 2v1s have been dissolved as quickly as reasonably possible to prevent the other servers from dying of boredom. If the objective has been to demoralize BG to the point of breaking, you will be seeing 24/7 2v1 spawn camps.

2. What makes you think this “alliance” is such a cut-and-dry deal and the outcome has already been decided? Both servers have plenty of chances to backstab each other, and I assure you each server has the number one spot in their sights. Nobody is willingly losing the season. The “win trading” is to control the matchups and ensure BG is kept down, but the alliance will dissolve as soon as one party no longer needs the other to maximize their own benefit.

3. It has never been about an “epic fight between 3 servers to determine who is best”, don’t glorify WvW and the ppt meta. It has ALWAYS been about who has the most people, who can play the politics the best, and who can pull more overtime for the longest period of time. BG is very good at those, but two servers together is better. It just so happens that BG is the target this time.

You know what does kill WvW in the long run? One server dominating and snowballing out of control. Surely as the guild leader of a long-time WvW guild on BG you know EXACTLY how these things pan out. When one server becomes dominant, people don’t look at the matchup and think "let’s go to #2 and #3 to balance things out. No, they go to #1 because #1 is winning. The 3-server system is EXACTLY the solution to this. It sucks for you that it is your server that is the target, but that’s how it is. Maybe 6 months from now TC will be megastacked voltron 24/7, and then you will see why it is so important that you can force a 2v1 on the strongest party.

How can one server be so oblivious.

It doesn’t matter if the 2v1 is justified or not, if BG is indeed more stacked or if they are just infinitely more skilled, or if TC and JQ are both run by horrible dictators mind-controlling two servers full of sheep into doing evil deeds for tournament tickets.

The only thing that matters is that there is nothing wrong with a 2v1. Anet describes it as “cool gameplay”, BG whiners got told. If this makes anyone sad, take a video of yourself crying out a river and send it Anet and see if their stance changes.

Jeknar.6184:

Yeah… I made the math, and if Gold was actually running by the regular standarts, SoS would finish 2nd (lol wut?).

I guess JQ/TC doing 2v1 on BG have another excuse to continue, more than sheer hatred…

This was probably a very big factor behind the 2v1 to begin with. Both TC and JQ stand to place higher than we would otherwise (we will place 3rd and 5th, only pending the result of week 9), that’s why a 2v1 can even take place. If either server didn’t need the other’s help or didn’t stand to benefit then there’s no reason to form the alliance at all.

Because whoever loses in T1 just drops to T2 for a free win, there’s no difference whatsoever between coming in 2nd and 3rd in the T1 matchup. SoS starts on a win week and ends on it as well, guaranteeing 2nd place unless BG can be toppled.

Because the heavy armor, high HP classes don’t get 20 weapon skills, 5 thousand on-demand boons and more escape spells and CC than you can count on one hand on reasonable cooldowns. (OK maybe warriors do, but they are lame and eles are cool)

Manen.7253:

Why weaker group’s 1st has the same point as stronger group’s 1st?

This is exactly the problem. It’s extra stupid in NA Gold because there are only 6 servers.

Vavume.8065:

ykyk.2740:

It looks great, but I believe Anet’s whole idea of not letting friendly ranks be displayed at all is to avoid elitism.

That is not the reason, look at PVE Dungeon Master title, look at PVP Legendary Champion Title, and WvW Ultimate Dominator. There are already plenty of titles you could say would cause elitism throughout the game, but its not an issue. The reason they haven’t added rank titles/icons is probably more down to they haven’t got around to it yet, because I believe they will at some point, since having only the enemy able to see your rank is just plain backwards and needs to be fixed.

Those are extremely different from WvW ranks. Dungeon master is awfully easy to get, and the other two represent significant achievements on a different scale from WvW ranks. Nobody is going to rag on you for not having ultimate dominator, but the same cannot be said for a WvW rank that really only reflects how long you’ve played. A veteran commander does not need to flash his rank to command respect in his server, but a novice one with a publicly displayed Scout rank is inevitably going to be discriminated against. New players will all be walking around with huge “I’M NEW” signs over their heads and this can be intimidating.

The “code of honor” only applies if both parties agree to it.

So yes, if it’s a “proper” 1v1 with /bow and all that jazz, then the loser should accept his defeat and running away from those is kind of in poor taste.

Other than that, screw your rules. If I run away into my zerg and roll over you, I won because I live and you died. I never wanted to 1v1 you the first place, so don’t expect it from me. Never assume people will play by your rules and then whine when they don’t.

It looks great, but I believe Anet’s whole idea of not letting friendly ranks be displayed at all is to avoid elitism.

It would probably be OK to let people display this in PvE though. God knows WvWers need their own snazzy stuff, and WvW ranks are the one thing PvE players can’t just come in and grind to fulfil some achievement quota and get the reward.

Niko Stark.8932:

A 1v1 match would result in BG dominating every server. 9/10 times, BG’s zerg can wipe an opposing one of equal or slightly bigger number because a lot of our players are seasoned wvw players who listens to commanders when, where, and what to drop. Might, Veil, Water, Bomb, Banners. Not to mention they’re very good at positioning the group to cut through enemy zergs.

What amuses me is that people keep stating that the 2v1 is justified because BG bought guilds — as if JQ and TC did not. I guess whatever makes them feel better about the desperate 2v1 tactic.

1. The 2v1 needs no justification

2. Nothing makes TC and JQ feel better about it more than the tears of people as yourself. 2v1s are boring, people need incentive to do it. The tournament rewards are fairly weak incentives – the real amusement comes from the whiners. I think 90% of BG understands this and are just playing through the 2v1 and letting it end naturally, but people like you undo all their effort.

This would work if servers are roughly equivalent coverage/strength-wise in their respective “tiers”. However T2 has been dominated by one server (BG, then TC, now SoS) for basically 95% of WvW history, so under this system whoever gets SoS will have one “T1” server and one “T1.5” server making them by far the strongest faction.

I’m a zergling staff ele with kitten for 1v1 damage so I’ll be here running away from every fight, using my vast array of defensive skills to rejoin the nourishing embrace of my zerg

Keep megaservers for the open world maps, use home servers for cities.

Doh.

BAITness.1083:

ykyk.2740:

BAITness.1083:

ykyk.2740:

BAITness.1083:

ykyk.2740:

OK. Here we go.

You think win trading is not OK. Take it up to Anet. Escalate it. Make things happen.

Can’t? It’s happening. You can’t do anything about it. Deal with it, or cry and amuse all the other 23 servers.

#BGTears

I would love to spend time crying but I am spending too much time correcting the TC and JQ propaganda machines that are trying to get people to believe they aren’t the first scumbags to do this.

Because you aren’t part of the propaganda machine trying to shake accusations off your own server?

The motivations are inconsequential. Whether we are the first to do it isn’t even the problem, the problem is if an organized 2v1 is inherently wrong or against what is acceptable in WvW. If you want it to be, go do something about it. Until Anet speaks up about what is or isn’t allowed, everyone who tries to paint any server on the moral high ground and condemn other servers has no basis whatsoever.

Yes, this includes accusations of BG stacking, or spying, or whatever. There’s nothing inherently wrong with any of those, just like there’s nothing inherently wrong about 2 servers teaming up. But when you only select one of those things and single out TC and JQ for your condemnation, then you are clearly a hypocrite.

There is nothing wrong with a 2v1 either.

There is an awful lot wrong with fixing matches to trade wins so you can guarantee first and second place.

Says you and…who else exactly? Why should anyone accept your judgement of what is right or wrong?

There is essentially no difference between a 2v1 and “match manipulation”, especially when the 2v1 is carried out against the strongest server. Why would the 2 even team up if they cannot do better than if they did not? The 2v1 is EXACTLY to ensure that the colluding servers do better than they would if they did not collude. The only thing that changes is scale – you can 2v1 in an open field fight, you can 2v1 a fortified objective to break it, you can 2v1 a server for a week, or you can 2v1 an entire server for a whole season. Who decides where the line is drawn for what is acceptable or not? If there isn’t a line, what makes some of those 2v1s acceptable while others not?

The fact that you have to go this far to justify it should be a good indicator. I am not sure I have heard anybody try to justify win trading before in any context.

Another good indicator is the trolls above you trying their best to say that pictures and video aren’t proof. The one fail troll seems to be trying to imply that I faked the videos despite them being dated on upload. The other one is trying to say that when one server is attacked by two servers, it is the exact same as two servers attacking only that server and making an agreement between each other to let each server have a win every other week, without any actual contest happening.

But you say I am the one judging it is wrong. Really, it is more so the guilty parties trying to make it sound like it is not as awful as it is. The two top ranked servers going into season 2 were worried they wouldn’t finish first and second, so after losing one match they teamed up to fix matches, trading wins every other week without fighting to guarantee their top finish.

I mean kitten . It speaks for itself.

OK. It speaks for itself. TC and JQ are guilty, BG are the victims and have always been. We’re bullying BG now because we’re terrible, terrible people. Here is the key question:

What can you do about it.

N O T H I N G

other than cry

BAITness.1083:

ykyk.2740:

BAITness.1083:

ykyk.2740:

OK. Here we go.

You think win trading is not OK. Take it up to Anet. Escalate it. Make things happen.

Can’t? It’s happening. You can’t do anything about it. Deal with it, or cry and amuse all the other 23 servers.

#BGTears

I would love to spend time crying but I am spending too much time correcting the TC and JQ propaganda machines that are trying to get people to believe they aren’t the first scumbags to do this.

Because you aren’t part of the propaganda machine trying to shake accusations off your own server?

The motivations are inconsequential. Whether we are the first to do it isn’t even the problem, the problem is if an organized 2v1 is inherently wrong or against what is acceptable in WvW. If you want it to be, go do something about it. Until Anet speaks up about what is or isn’t allowed, everyone who tries to paint any server on the moral high ground and condemn other servers has no basis whatsoever.

Yes, this includes accusations of BG stacking, or spying, or whatever. There’s nothing inherently wrong with any of those, just like there’s nothing inherently wrong about 2 servers teaming up. But when you only select one of those things and single out TC and JQ for your condemnation, then you are clearly a hypocrite.

There is nothing wrong with a 2v1 either.

There is an awful lot wrong with fixing matches to trade wins so you can guarantee first and second place.

Says you and…who else exactly? Why should anyone accept your judgement of what is right or wrong?

There is essentially no difference between a 2v1 and “match manipulation”, especially when the 2v1 is carried out against the strongest server. Why would the 2 even team up if they cannot do better than if they did not? The 2v1 is EXACTLY to ensure that the colluding servers do better than they would if they did not collude. The only thing that changes is scale – you can 2v1 in an open field fight, you can 2v1 a fortified objective to break it, you can 2v1 a server for a week, or you can 2v1 an entire server for a whole season. Who decides where the line is drawn for what is acceptable or not? If there isn’t a line, what makes some of those 2v1s acceptable while others not?

BAITness.1083:

ykyk.2740:

OK. Here we go.

You think win trading is not OK. Take it up to Anet. Escalate it. Make things happen.

Can’t? It’s happening. You can’t do anything about it. Deal with it, or cry and amuse all the other 23 servers.

#BGTears

I would love to spend time crying but I am spending too much time correcting the TC and JQ propaganda machines that are trying to get people to believe they aren’t the first scumbags to do this.

Because you aren’t part of the propaganda machine trying to shake accusations off your own server?

The motivations are inconsequential. Whether we are the first to do it isn’t even the problem, the problem is if an organized 2v1 is inherently wrong or against what is acceptable in WvW. If you want it to be, go do something about it. Until Anet speaks up about what is or isn’t allowed, everyone who tries to paint any server on the moral high ground and condemn other servers has no basis whatsoever.

Yes, this includes accusations of BG stacking, or spying, or whatever. There’s nothing inherently wrong with any of those, just like there’s nothing inherently wrong about 2 servers teaming up. But when you only select one of those things and single out TC and JQ for your condemnation, then you are clearly a hypocrite.

OK. Here we go.

You think win trading is not OK. Take it up to Anet. Escalate it. Make things happen.

Can’t? It’s happening. You can’t do anything about it. Deal with it, or cry and amuse all the other 23 servers.

#BGTears

forthetoast.com

The T1 servers aren’t going to be very different population-wise, we have different “prime” times but there’ll be something going on all the time. JQ is SEA-heavy, TC is EU-NA heavy. We’re both cuddly.

WvW is not PvP.

Nothing much else to address in this thread, moving on.

1v1 magnifies all timezone disparities and destroys the dynamics of how WvW was designed in the first place. The only way to make it remotely meaningful is to run it eotm style in short 4-hour or so windows during a timezone where both servers involved can fully occupy the map(s), but that just shafts the other timezones. Will not happen.

Edit @ above: Congratulations, you have realized that the tournament is a pile of …

Any server in the top maybe 3 tiers would probably be OK, unless you have timezone requirements.

Big zergs get the rewards. Always follow the big zergs. Anet likes big zergs.

Radian.2478:

Hi all. I have some questions
I’m seeking to transfer to either JQ or Blackgate. I don’t know anything about the difference between the two sooo

1) What are the zergs like in WvW on each/either server?
2) How are the queues and coverage during different hours? I’m in central timezone
3) How are the commanders?
4) Any EoTM players?

Thanks!

Not on either server, but real answers.

1) Mostly big ones

2) JQ is more SEA-heavy while BG is more balanced. Expect prime time to have some queues, but it usually won’t be unplayable/hours long/on all maps except for reset/massive pushes. They’ll both say they’re outnumbered though, because T1. You won’t be starved for action in either server.

3) There will be good ones and there will be bad ones

4) Those in queue

facepalm

15char

Applied Fortitude is win, value points in build/repair/supply mastery are great, rest are up to you (good to get low levels of all the siege masteries so you don’t totally suck when you have to use siege. The AC/ram/treb ones are especially powerful).

It’s really as simple as it gets. People transferring servers is GOOD for Anet. With guesting and now megaservers, PvE-ers have really REALLY little incentive to transfer around. Most of their server transfer gem income are coming from WvWers. There is no reason they will make a system that doesn’t encourage people to transfer.

WvW is the one game mode where it benefits Anet to make it as difficult for us as possible, and it’s amazing people still don’t realize it after close to 2 years.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Alchemist.3692:

that silly extractor is way too overpriced…. if i’ve spent 60g on runes, now I need to spend 1300 gems which is far more than 60g to get my runes back…. that’s so stupid, I’m wondering if ANet is just trolling

The extractor is for gouging those who need to recover agony infusions from their gear. Trolling would mean they actually thought about WvW before coming up with the price.

I believe this. WvWers are an afterthought. Pushing out eotm and making season 2 is anet’s way of saying they have nothing to do with us in the foreseeable future, basically.

The answer to this question has always been: no.

Just let us have a way to get back runes that we put in, I couldn’t give half a crap about ectos or mats or your PvE bullkitten, you can keep all those.

Stop shafting WvW players in every possible way.

At least 1 value point in both build and repair masteries (doubles build/repair speed), rank 4 in supply mastery for the chance to recover supply. After that it depends on how much you sit on siege, if not go applied fortitude before guard leech. For siege it’s obviously more points-efficient to get the early levels in multiple sieges so you can hop on different types of siege and not be badly unequipped for it. Mercenary’s bane is useless more or less.

Are you kidding me?

I played like 4-5 days worth of WvW total out of the 4 weeks so far and already have the meta, of which 0 achievements come from eotm. This is way easier than season 1, which wasn’t exactly that bad either.

Horrible implementation. It’s even worse for the 6-server gold league.

yanniell.1236:

Daviepants.4710:

grifflyman.8102:

Markan.3460:

grifflyman.8102:

Anyone who has to play HoD will realize how much of a mockery season 2 is.

Yep. The transfer mechanism has basically given prizes to people for transferring onto the highest ranked free server and screwed over those who stayed; all in all a very odd decision.

I don’t care about the prizes, I just want even, fun fights. When the opposing team has enough players to send 20+ people to a 5 man taking camps, and can respond anywhere on the map within minutes it becomes super lame.

^This. I think what frustrates me the most (coming from FA), is that it all comes down to a numbers game. I’ll be that jerk and say 95% of HoD’s population doesn’t know what they’re doing in WvW…I’ve been a part of zergs that are half the size of zergs we’ve encountered from HoD and we’ve just taken them out every single time. ANet really needs to factor in an additional points system that takes stuff like that into affect, to give servers who may not have the population but have the capability to take out enemies when they are outnumbered an incentive to actually want to fight and push forward. It’s so discouraging to know that we are more capable and we can’t do anything about it because they basically have people on 24/7 capping things even when we aren’t on just because people decided to bandwagon and take advantage of a free transfer that shouldn’t have happened so soon before a tournament and in such huge numbers.

And I know I’m not the only one who feels this way, both in my server and in other servers…

This. Can’t put with this numbers wars anymore.

Seasons don’t last forever. If HoD are as bad as described, they will just get destroyed by the T2 servers and crumble again.

Hell, the other bandwagon servers that broke at T2 had a bunch of WvW guilds rather than free transfer PvEs to stack them and it didn’t matter in the end.

This is what happens when you have servers populated enough to carry out organized 2v1s, in a format that allows you to plan roadmaps for this type of metagaming, in a tier that has always been ppt-driven. SoS, despite being weaker than the top 3 servers, can realistically place 2nd in this format. The other servers obviously want to avoid it, and the top 3 all want to come first. Hell, SoS could place first if the top 3 really go crazy about it.

There’s nothing wrong with what’s going on. It might not be tasteful to some, but it’s what’s always been intended in WvW. Politics for servers to further their own agendas.

You can’t disallow people from playing because their opponents cannot or refuse to play.

Server B being underpopulated is not server A’s problem.

> Group leagues and rewards based on server rank, based on the assumption that server rank represents server strength

> Destroys relation between server rank and server strength by offering free transfers

> Starts league play

I don’t even

Runty Choir.4893:

Vol.7601:

Luiz Swordbreaker.6547:

Vol.7601:

My fondest memory of RISE was when they were on SoR during S1 and they decided to GvG on the map while we proceeded to lose a T3 tower.

good job.

Ya…kitten , those people need to get a clue. Some people fail to grasp the concept that you need to defend stuff until friday night, when it starts over and goes on like nothing happened.

//salute rise

Or some people fail to prioritize and understand that GvG’ing on a Sunday on a pivotal week is a pretty poor decision.

Or just let people play their game the way they want.

Which includes letting people talk about guilds the way they want.

The only person taking the bait here is a BG player, just saying.

Zero sympathy for PvE whiners

It’s called a gift of exploration, go explore. WvWers have to do 60 thousand different PvE crap to get legendaries, you guys just need to get some POIs and get ported to the top of jumping puzzles.

Do an emote if you are an ele. type /no and hit enter and you will be unstuck

kittened bug from 20 thousand years ago that hasn’t been fixed, so standard anet fare

I feel bad for the BGers still fighting out there against all odds while a select few make the server look bad with QQ.

For a server that is getting relentlessly 2v1ed BG is doing amazing. TC and JQ are just doing what is necessary, and the dynamics will shift in the coming weeks depending on who wins this and next week’s matchup (which will be BG/JQ/SoS or BG/TC/SoS, and if JQ or TC wins both weeks 3 and 4 then they will become the target on week 5. It all comes around.).

Not to be lazy, but alot of those are basic mechanical questions that can be answered by some quick reading. Other than that…

SMC walls question – SMC outer has a lot of walls, it can be hard to scout all of them so people looking to sneak a cap might go by the walls instead of the gates (which are much easier to spot).

Siege rotation – all siege can be rotated as far as I can think of, though many cannons have angles that are blocked.

Borderland waypoints – each keep can be upgraded with a waypoint, but it’s fairly difficult to reach and requires a lot of supply/a lot of time. If you flip an enemy keep all upgrades reset, including the waypoint.

Legendary defenders – yes they always oneshot you, to prevent people from getting into enemy spawns. It’s still possible with stealth and gimmicks, but the home server are invulnerable in their spawns so it’s rather pointless outside of trolling (or killing golems parked in spawn)

Server merging/population – servers are supposedly matched with similarly-populated servers, but it’s not perfect and there are definite issues. It can be difficult in low pop servers if you always get matched against bigger servers, but more populated servers struggle with queues and arguably more griefing/lag/etc.

Hacks – anet doesn’t like people talking about them. It’s really obvious, people teleporting into places they shouldn’t reach etc, or underneath the map and stuff like that. Nothing much you can do about them. It’s annoying when it happens, but it’s not like it’s rampant or anything.

Issues with WvW – people like to complain about population imbalances/server stacking, nightcapping, zerging/blobbing, class imbalances, stealth, skill lag…so basically everything. We still play it though, so jokes on us.

What is the point being made here

Deli.1302:

It amazes me that despite having a search function at your disposal, people insist on creating the same thread over and over.

Anything that discourages people from playing together will never ever make it into the game.

Exactly. Encourage good play (splitting up, hitting multiple targets, STRATEGY) but don’t explicitly punish blobbing. Blobbing should be its own punishment.

pigdog.9215:

I noticed SoS is in Tier 1 but getting completely destroyed. Any reasons why SoS does great in tier 2 but when ever SoS competes in T1 they lose? Also any chance of SoS being able to fight through or will becoming 1st or 2nd be out of our grasp again?

SoS won’t take 1st. They will very likely take 2nd no matter how they play, unless they magically implode the final week.

/thread

The story of every bandwagon server. They deflate when they stop winning.

Master Farkha.1857:

Kigera.9584:

Anyone looking to transfer JQ, please take notes. When they lose a match they point fingers at everyone but themselves. There were several times when we tried to push BG but JQ wouldn’t buzz off from our third. Don’t know what to tell you, learn to know what servers are what colors next time.

This. I have never seen so much QQ from a server losing in a long time. Prior to seasons BG was getting their kitten s handed to them every week and they rarely cried 2v1. JQ loses one week and all of a sudden the world is going to end. Did we 2v1 JQ at some points throughout the week? yes. Was tc 2v1’ed at points? yes. Was bg 2v1’ed at some points? yes. All the people crying 2v1 just can’t accept the fact that they got outplayed.

I command during SEA and I can tell you for a fact that all this nonsense of 2v1 from the start is garbage. I was on JQBL during the weekend and let me tell you what happened. During SEA on saturday, the BG blob lead by SUPR and the JQ map blob lead by WvW ignored each other and kept the 2v1 on our wp bay till it flipped early SEA. BG would keep pressure bay whether it was owned by us or JQ and JQ would just b-line straight for bay to ether defend or capture thus keeping bay wooden till EU (not a qq rant, just saying what happened).

After a frustrating saturday, I managed to get a 2v1 on BG hills WP with the JQ map commander and kept the pressure on BG till early NA. The keep flipped and with both zergs pressuring them they held close to 0 ppt for several hours (on jqbl). The unspoken agreement was that we wouldn’t poke at each others third and it stayed that way till I logged.

Every single day after that during sea was an exact repeat of saturday. BG blob lead by SUPR would spawn and run directly to bay, and the JQ blob would spawn and run directly to bay. JQ completely ignored hills. Our wp bay flipped twice and we held onto it twice (through sea). Now I’m not complaining, im sure SUPR was just looking for some fights and garrison 3 ways are never fun but bay 3 ways are (I admit…I think bay is probably the most fun keep to attack/defend)…once again I’m not complaining just stating events and how they directly contradict the conspiracy garbage being thrown here.

SEA during the weekday on TCBL was a constant garrison orgy every single day. Monday through Thursday was a BG blob and JQ blob working together to flip our garrison. I’m pretty sure if we were working with BG they wouldn’t actively try to reset our garrison every single day.

If JQ was so concerned about winning, why wouldnt you try to reset the Bay (that BG had waypointed on saturday) on BGBL so that you can hand your EU team an easy wooden structure + the rest of the third for 40 ppt? Why waste 3 hours in our garrison with a guilded map que, when you already have your third on tcbl? Bay on BGBL stayed WP’ed till I think Wednesday night during NA prime. Instead, you left it t3 and wp, giving your eu team nothing to backcap for the tick, nor your na team something to upgrade. If my math is right, there are 90 ticks in a day and if we assume you managed to capture your third on BGBL for half of that, you would have accumulated 1800 points in one day. BG held it for 5 days straight so you guys lost out on about 9000 points overall which is about the difference between TC and JQ right now. So please, shoot yourselves in the foot some more.

All three servers are relatively equal in terms of population, some have more than others in certain time-zones but overall strategy and server organization wins, and frankly you guys got outplayed. My personal opinion is that your SEA has been your crutch as it relieved JQ from formulating any real overall strategy going into leagues. Prior to, JQ depened on their SEA team to just tick 400+ for several hours and simply win…however I don’t think that can work these next few weeks.

Truth hurts. Easier to QQ.

WINSON.3278:

Blackarps.1974:

WINSON.3278:

Coward bg tc 2v1 jq

Cloud! Yes yes. Its been a nasty 2v1 all week but its something to expect whenever a season or tournament comes along. I don’t mind a 2v1 because its a comforting feeling knowing you look like that big of a threat to the other servers. The kind of 2v1 I’ve seen this week is the same I saw in season 1 though where you literally see one of the servers just waiting on a hill for a solid hour for you to make a move while the 3rd server hits you. It killed our morale in EB numerous times to the point you get guild groups having to try and save it.

The proposed idea isn’t worth it though. Even if you see an enemy zerg, you’ll recognize the guild tags and if those are removed, it won’t take long before you realize who is who.

Do not play the game like a coward, like victory just a joke

You need to take a chill pill

Have you considered treatment for your QQ problem

Omegas are basically substitutes for tactics and brains.

So basically the kind of thing Anet likes to fill their game up with.