The swiss style is pretty poorly adapted to a 6-server league, to say the least. It’s good that there is the potential for “underdogs” to place higher than stronger servers, but it also has the potential for very repetitive matchups/servers never matching against each other. I think people are too pessimistic about the whole picture though…it’s a 9 week tournament, many things can still happen. In S1, the top 3 placings were thought to be a forgone conclusion, but it didn’t turn out that way.
Interestingly: Obsidian Sanctum has almost no skill lag despite all 3 servers essentially parking map blobs at the spawns and throwing themselves at each other in the tiny spawn area.
Servers JQ/BG/TC.
OS is awesome. 3 servers just respawning and throwing themselves at each other at spawn. Finished my kills meta in like under an hour.
Achievement whiners need to suck it up. This is WvW, sometimes people want to kill you, PvE is that way if you can’t deal with that —-—>
I don’t think you’ll go wrong with either. That time period is sort of (as I understand) the end of SoS’s strongest period and the beginning of TC’s strongest, so you’ll do OK with either. If you tend to play into EU from late SEA TC might have more activity, if you tend to play more in OCX into SEA SoS should be stronger.
-What kind of issue are you specifically having that could be related to lag?
Mainly skill lag, skill lock if it gets really bad. Skills simply stop working or take ages to cast.
-What server are you on?
Tarnished Coast
-Has there ever been a time when you or a friend are experiencing lag, while others in your party are not?
Complaints are usually map-wide.
-Has there ever been a time where one party in a map is experiencing lag, while other parties in that same map are not?
It’s definitely worse near the action, but when it gets bad the entire map lags (e.g. massive fight at Garrison, feel lag at southern side of map)
-Do you experience the lag at very specific times?
Almost consistently when there are very large numbers fighting in the same place.
-If so, can you estimate how many players are in each zerg?
More than 60 on each side. If it’s 2 servers there will be lag but not unplayable, if all 3 servers are fighting you basically can’t use skills.
This is not going to happen. The servers can’t handle it. Even increasing the cap by 1 will place an incredible amount of extra stress on the servers.
>Guy asks about EU servers
>People try to recruit him to NA servers
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Why anyone or any guild would transfer to T1 is beyond me, given I am from BG, but if you like running with 75+ man JQ and TC zergs, knock yourself out. The next time you spot a 60+ man BG zerg, screenshot it cause it is near instantaneously dwarfed by most 75+ man JQ and TC zerg(s) these days…..getting pretty sick and tired of this T1 zerg-mindset garbage (of late) for sure.
There is literally not one post on this page talking about transferring to T1.
The title has LOWER TIERS in it.
Were you complaining during Blackgate’s domination streak? Has your server not destroyed others with superior numbers in the entire history of its being? Sometimes other servers have more people and you get run over. Sometimes you do it to others. Get over it.
I think the way it works is that if:
Say BG wins BG/JQ/TC and SoS wins SoS/Mag/FA(DB)
BG = 5 pts, TC 3 pts, JQ 1 pt — SoS 5pts, Mag 3pts, FA/DB 1pt
Match the next week would likely be
BG (5)/SoS (5)/TC (3) + JQ(1)/Mag(3)/FA(DB)(1)
Obviously, the week after that would very likely be BG/TC/JQ + SoS/Mag/FA(DB) again and it’d just keep flip flopping.
Can a dev confirm?
Would be good to have a clarification on this as well. If “leagues” in NA are 6/9/9 as before, would the top 6 be confined to matchups with each other for the entire season?
With the beginning of week 2 of tournament all servers are in one pool.
Their place in standings is first based on their points, then on their wolrd rating.
Example:
after first week: g1,g4,s1,s4,s7,b1,b4,b7 have all 5 points
= ranking because g1 has higher rating as g4 and so on.
then 2nd places, then thirdmatchup week 2:
g1vsg4vss1
s4vss7vsb1
b4vsb7vsg2, because g2 has the highest place of the servers with 3 points
Source on this? Does this mean matchups can be cross-“league” but final standings and rewards are based on “leagues” (which are then based on glicko ratings at the start of the season)?
Because you know full well that Dragonbrand isn’t going to stomp every single matchup in Silver by 200k points? The entire server can farm the jumping puzzles in the day and your off-hours will still win every week, more than comfortably. DB players should know this more than anyone. Does that sound like your idea of fun?
It’s an immersion feature
DB needs to get boosted into T2 through transfers or something. Their SEA presence is T1-level numbers-wise, and if they keep playing like they do and relying on that they’ll never have a good matchup EVER. Your players HAVE to know what the matchups will be like if DB stays in Silver for 9 weeks.
Maguuma/SoS pushed for gold knowing full well they would take the bottom 2 spots last season, and the servers are thriving now. Setting up 9 full weeks of pvdoor is an incredibly stupid way to build server strength. You just attract karma trainers.
Their SEA is not T1 level at all. It’s only NNK and TFV with the occasional GA. All three guilds don’t show up to wvw when they are losing. See the score when they fought Maguuma a few weeks ago.
I did say numbers-wise. If they keep playing against T2+ servers, they have to improve somehow. Their massive SEA is stuck playing against doors 9 matches out of 10, and that’s why they crumble against stiffer opposition.
What’s happening to DB now is their SEA rolls over helpless opposition and don’t know how to fight, so they win most matchups in landslide fashion yet have no chance against higher tier servers. It just sounds like such a boring situation to be in.
DB needs to get boosted into T2 through transfers or something. Their SEA presence is T1-level numbers-wise, and if they keep playing like they do and relying on that they’ll never have a good matchup EVER. Your players HAVE to know what the matchups will be like if DB stays in Silver for 9 weeks.
Maguuma/SoS pushed for gold knowing full well they would take the bottom 2 spots last season, and the servers are thriving now. Setting up 9 full weeks of pvdoor is an incredibly stupid way to build server strength. You just attract karma trainers.
Any fight where the groups are so big my skills cease to work.
It’s funny because there are so many people who insist on running in those numbers and they are sad.
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Your posts are the worst on this forum.
How dare you, he’s Prime Minister or something
It’s like you guys don’t understand that WvW is the lowest thing on the priority list.
They’ve done everything possible to demonstrate this already, short of outright saying it to our faces. You can save a lot of grief by just accepting it. If you expect to be treated like a piece of kitten, it doesn’t feel so bad when it inevitably happens. Time and time again.
2400 for the top servers is a good idea, but if NA gold league is going to be 6 servers again then I agree something should be done to help 4-6.
Slightly off topic, but how well would the swiss-tournament format work for 6 servers? Seems like it would be really monotonous.
Pretty sure he’s being funny
(Nobody is supposed to know of our war chest that we will use to buy 20 EU guilds from Piken in S2… RP servers unite)
ykyk have my babies!
Are you an Asura
Kazo is all TC natives, just reorganized under a new guild tag >_>
A new guild? You probably used gold to pay for influence for this guild too?
UPDATING: TC uses gold to pay for new EU guild
Got a problem with guilds using gold to gain influence?
Or you know, for the past 3-4 days ive gained 4500 influence in bottles alone from LA LS…. but no way that could help any guild i may or may not be part of. Could it?
Pretty sure he’s being funny
(Nobody is supposed to know of our war chest that we will use to buy 20 EU guilds from Piken in S2… RP servers unite)
Kazo is all TC natives, just reorganized under a new guild tag >_>
But, is this really a bug? With every single BG teamspeak server being taken down by DDOS attacks, my first thought was maybe that TC BL is being occupied by dozens of BG dummy accounts belonging to TC players?
Think Occam’s Razor. Why would this be caused by a game bug necessarily when such a simple answer explains it.
Has anyone at all been able to get inside TC BL to see if BG truly has no presence? Or is it really a dummy presence?
Occam’s Razor to you means that TC having literally a map queue’s worth of dummy accounts on BG that ALL managed to get in before ANY BG player is more likely than a server side bug.
Good job. Science is proud of you.
Afaik BG is struggling with big problems this week (TS down, one whole map denied to them etc). They’ve historically been one of the most resilient servers so it’ll be pretty silly to count them out after a couple of bad weeks.
No queues except on reset (short) or if a whole lot of guilds are on one map.
Thank you for being the only person so far who knew how to spell. I was ready all the other posts thinking “que es un que” (Spanish for what is a que) but prom now on please spell queue as a queue not a que.
You can’t make this kitten up
what is the point of this thread
Scaling and NPCs – This is already increasingly being used in PvE events to discourage map blobbing – events tend to fail if everyone goes for the same objective, and teamwork is rewarded by splitting up forces and encouraging communication. There is no reason why a similar concept cannot apply to WvW. In WvW, the best way to take an objective is to send as many people as possible towards the same place. When entire map queues are in the same fight, everything that makes combat in GW2 fun loses its meaning. If a server insists on sending every single person on the map to a single objective, they have given up on tactics and should be penalized by having a tough time.
Chokes and verticality – Could be a good change, but in moderation. Large-scale, open-field combat definitely has its place in the current WvW paradigm and should be allowed to thrive. At the same time, smaller groups could use the help of such terrain to more easily maneuver around map blobs. The borderlands in particular are generally very open and could use a little more intricacy in map design. Mobility, clever use of map design and creative play should be encouraged and rewarded.
Shorter match timing – 8h matches will encourage further timezone stacking and take out a lot of the excitement of comebacks. Most servers in the upper tiers have clear strengths and weaknesses in timezones, and learning these characteristics and putting them into week-long strategies with cross-timezone coordination within servers is a big part of the current metagame. Shortening in general may be an idea worth exploring, but 8h is much too short. 24h is the minimum that would make any sense at all and even that feels too short to me.
More on blob gameplay – It cannot be overstated how the blob mentality is hurting WvW. Removing the ability to hard-resurrect fully dead players while still in combat would be a decent start – when a blob train can instantly rez anybody that goes down at all, there’s very very little an outnumbered force can do. When more and more people realize that numbers are all that matters, all the problems associated with WvW (server stacking, population attrition…) start to arise. Nothing about blob gameplay is fun in the slightest for anybody involved, but people are drawn to it because it is the best way to take objectives and gain points and rewards. Your game is screwed when people are encouraged to play it in the most boring way possible.
Except for the implosion of SoR , BG still can still field 50 to 70 man blobs on atleast 3 maps at any given time.
I don’t think there is a single thread remotely related to WvW population in which you haven’t whined about BG, kudos to that kind of dedication.
[DN] are so sexy.
Fool, you bumped the wrong thread~
Basically, they gave up.
A couple of weeks ago a bunch of SoR people were in here proudly declaring that they “only care about fights” because “PPT doesn’t matter” and that they were essentially tanking on purpose to move from tier 1 to tier 2. And so they got slaughtered for a couple of straight weeks.
They seemed quite pleased about this, with some even expressing glee that they were (in their view) messing things up for BG and JQ.
Apparently quite a number of people on SoR still do realize that PPT and server pride do matter, and so they went to servers where others also care about winning regular WvW. Most of the others are probably still in EotM.
SoR had the ability to remove itself from tier 1, but not to decide where they would end up. It’s a great lesson in how hard it can be to stop a slide (in any context) once it starts.
Oh, and also a great example of how EotM is destroying WvW.
Doesn’t that other thread show most of the SoR guilds transferred to JQ? The one where the JQ guy is asking other people to not stack on other servers that fight JQ…
Afaik a couple NA guilds went to FA, a decent number of guilds both NA/OCX went to TC, and I think a couple to JQ. Not sure where/if their SEA will be transferring, T2’s SEA coverage isn’t awful but I don’t think the current SoR will stay there and once they hit T3 and below SoR’s SEA will be much too strong and be bored out of their minds.
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70? Are you sure it wasn’t 100
We always run with 100
You don’t. You suffer in silence. Nothing will be done.
Most of the topics keep recurring because WvW has problems and nothing has been done in 1.5 years to address them.
Everyone else is blob, always
Your own group is a zerg busting skill group, also always
IoJ’s fall was much slower. Even when they finally dropped to T3 they stayed there for a couple weeks (they won the first week there) until they finally lost there. HoD and ET essentially emptied out.
It’s easy to see which servers had an actual community and which are just constructs of “hardcore wvw players”
Why would servers with natural concentrations of off-hours populations destack? JQ Asians, Dragonbrand Taiwanese, CD SEA, SoS oceanic… they dominate their timezone, always have plenty of people to play with, and the rewards flow when you dominate and cap lots of stuff. Oh, and it so happens that every single matchup ever is won by off-hours population.
The ppt race is kittened, and it looks like every server has realized it by now with the exception of 2. May be 1 after this week.
10. luring the grub to attack the blue keep (<this is another one I’m guilty of)
This is awesome and needs to stay, I remember when we were blue and the grub defended VK for us against an omega rush or something. We even got to farm the grub after we wiped the push, kitten was hilarious
Rest are in the list of things Anet doesn’t care about so it’s best for your mental health to not care about them too
We don’t like pv door and luring bg from their keeps.
I seem to recall you guys liking “PvDoor” well enough when you were beating us.
Do whatever makes you happy, but the motivations are pretty transparent.
And regardless of the reasons, the bottom line remains that it’s healthier for the game as a whole to have three tier 1 servers that are at least somewhat reasonably matched, rather than two that are close and one that’s thrown in the towel. I’m confident that TC will at least put forth the good fight, even if we don’t have a shot of beating the big two. But Arenanet really needs to take a broad look at this whole issue of server balance and guilds being paid to transfer around and so forth. In the long run, it’s simply not good for anyone.
Oh, and I have a funny feeling you guys will magically regain your affection for “PvDoor” as soon as you are facing opponents you think you can beat.
Stop trying to butt in. No one cares about TC here. Go back to Divinity’s Reach and roleplay
You say that like there’s something wrong with RPing, on the RP map, on the RP server.
On the other hand, giving up on the WvW maps and playing your WvW in pugland…
;)
The “sour grapes” responses from some of the SoR people are predictable, yet still disappointing. I remember fighting against you guys when the league was on, and you had better coverage than we did at TC and usually came out ahead of us, but we still tried every time. I remember one week we got second place and everyone was happy about that.
Now suddenly it’s “we can’t win so we are running off to EotM”. I mean, it’s a game, do what makes you happy, but it still comes across as quitting. And it’s really not what I expected.
Ever since I started GW2 I’ve felt that the constant transferring around of people and guilds made WvW into something of a joke, and this is all part of it. I chose TC when I joined knowing that it wasn’t the most populous server, and that we’d lose a lot of matches. It’s possible that once SoR is finished shamefully throwing their matches so they can “on purpose” go to T2 that TC will end up in T1. And win or lose I will do what I can to fight the good fight, without making excuses or trying to find someone willing to give me gold to abandon my friends.
If you guys end up in T2, I’ll be rooting for our current nemeses, SoS and FA. At least they make an effort most of the time.
We don’t like pv door and luring bg from their keeps. What’s wrong with preferring EotM? honestly, we don’t really care what you or others think about our server, lol.
Sorry playing tactically and against comparable opponents was “too hard” and “not fun” for you guys. Have fun beating up zerker pve pugs.
call it whatever you want. if you want to come “pwn” us with your mad skillz you know where to find us. i haven’t seen any bg guilds in eotm. wonder why?
Just an outsider looking in, but I’m going to guess it’s because their server hasn’t given up and retreated to pugland.
what makes you think we care? we don’t enjoy waiting for bg to come out of their precious towers to fight so we play eotm. secondly, if you think eotm is all pugs, why dont you big boys come on out and show us all how it’s done?
Woah, as I said, just an outsider looking in. You in particular are not exactly helping this “we don’t care” image your server is trying to portray here.
And of course to answer you from the same outsider perspective, I would once again have to say that it’s because the big boys haven’t given up and retreated into pugland.
Hello,
I have to agree with Letoll on this.
BG leadership direction was clearly headed that way since league. Winning at all costs. I hope the true warrior leaders in BG can change things for the better. Gw2 is not war, gw2 is a game.
FW
There being noone to fight is the logical conclusion of stacking.
But fights aren’t important are they? Winning is
IIRC you were KN (when they were wagoned) into SoR and now into JQ to stack their strongest timeslot, so don’t embarrass yourself lol
The “sour grapes” responses from some of the SoR people are predictable, yet still disappointing. I remember fighting against you guys when the league was on, and you had better coverage than we did at TC and usually came out ahead of us, but we still tried every time. I remember one week we got second place and everyone was happy about that.
Now suddenly it’s “we can’t win so we are running off to EotM”. I mean, it’s a game, do what makes you happy, but it still comes across as quitting. And it’s really not what I expected.
Ever since I started GW2 I’ve felt that the constant transferring around of people and guilds made WvW into something of a joke, and this is all part of it. I chose TC when I joined knowing that it wasn’t the most populous server, and that we’d lose a lot of matches. It’s possible that once SoR is finished shamefully throwing their matches so they can “on purpose” go to T2 that TC will end up in T1. And win or lose I will do what I can to fight the good fight, without making excuses or trying to find someone willing to give me gold to abandon my friends.
If you guys end up in T2, I’ll be rooting for our current nemeses, SoS and FA. At least they make an effort most of the time.
We don’t like pv door and luring bg from their keeps. What’s wrong with preferring EotM? honestly, we don’t really care what you or others think about our server, lol.
Sorry playing tactically and against comparable opponents was “too hard” and “not fun” for you guys. Have fun beating up zerker pve pugs.
call it whatever you want. if you want to come “pwn” us with your mad skillz you know where to find us. i haven’t seen any bg guilds in eotm. wonder why?
Just an outsider looking in, but I’m going to guess it’s because their server hasn’t given up and retreated to pugland.
Shhhhhh you can’t talk about that stuff here! Do you want to be INFRACTED
> “We play for fights”
> Guild groups go to pugland to fight pugs
Top tier logick
Tier 1 servers calling each other super stacked
lol
In BGs defence I do feel that they were the underdogs going into Season 1. Especially considering they had not just been beaten, but wrecked leading up to the season by both JQ and SOR. Now, however, things have changed. The server itself is just extremely stacked. I am glad I am no longer there. In the long run it will be a burden on the server itself.
This week I have built around 80 paper trebs in obscure positions and been trebbing their keeps/towers. Most of those times BG has been able to pull an entire zerg off what they are doing, often from another side of the map, to deal with my single effort. They never react by sending one person. In the few times where it hasn’t been a full zerg its 5+ players. The server is so stacked now and the attitude and conduct of many of the players is not what it used to be. There is a large following of players who are just there for the easy win.
I see a really bad scenario coming for T1 in NA in the near future. SORs collapse means a two horse race and because BG is so stacked JQ will slowly lose its morale. Alot of BG players and guilds are already complaining about a lack of fights. And quite frankly its because its getting old that other players have to constantly fight them in outnumbered scenarios. The wise thing to do would be for BG to self destack. But I honestly think for both positive (friends on the server) and negative (easy wins/fights) reasons it won’t happen and BGs guilds will have no choice but to destack unless they want to login and have nothing to do in WvW. But hey, at least we got EoTM now!
I really can’t believe anyone from SoR would wanna join another t1 server. You couldn’t pay me enough to do that.
The same thought process can be applied to countless server exoduses before this. Screw balancing the tier and investing in a long-term competitive bracket, lets join TEH BIG SERVERZ for TEH WINZ
ITT every server has the worst EU coverage in NA
Balance must be top-down. If T1 is a 2-server race it doesn’t matter how close T2 and 3 are, it is going to be upset the instant SoR rolls down and SoS/TC roll up.
SoR has a solid core from being T1 for like a year, plus they have Asian guild*S*. No server with Asian guilds will drop below T3 or so. Take SoS or TC (momentum favors SoS, plus they have the off-hours needed for T1) and strengthen it to a T1 level first, and then we can look at T2 and T3. Chances are an FA/TC/SoR T2 is not going to be that bad, unless SoR completely implodes upon leaving T1.
(Of course what will really happen is everyone will flock to either JQ or BG or something because hurr durr)
Nice, congratulatory thread turns into whining and accusations within 3 posts.
The leagues might be a once a year event or nothing at all. Most folks did not really want a season 2 as per the community poll.
I would not take much notice of that…
Majority of players on this forum have a negative attitude and will vote no to anything.
Devon said its was a success and players in WvW reached levels not seen since game launch for the entire 7 week period.
So hopefully there will be a league season 2, just need a few tweaks, better rewards, a handicapping system so its competitive and the achievements need tweaking a little.
While there may have been more players in WvW (PvE achievement hunter players) during the season, there are much fewer players now than there were before we had the first WvW season. If ANet considers losing population a success, then I guess they got it right.
This hits the mark. The league killed interest in many players, and WvW doesn’t offer enough to keep the PvE crowd around. Inaction and misguided updates slowly drivesoff a bit of the dedicated, WvW-playing base each time while temporarily attracting “new blood” that boost numbers momentarily but don’t stick around.
Hopefully EOTM is the answer.