Guild Wars 2

JQ can’t go +695 during SEA yet, they still have room for improvement!

ITT PvE people complain about 1 achievement point a day being too hard to get.

Werat.7063:

I dont know. So far what hurts T1 servers the most are blow-out matches. Looking up from the bottom of the lake to the top is a lot more relaxing when you are not the server having to provide battles to the masses where as we have the opportunities at every corner (sometimes even getting aggro of the whole enemy zerg, desperate for a fight). The match against jq hurt jq more than us and the only strategy was numbers.

Do this a few times and you will see t1 destacking. Only the vision of having that big t1 fight is keeping that structure alive. And t1 is constantly loosing people as well, more maybe than the lower servers.

Consider that a good number of the guilds who moved up genuinely did it for the fights. It made sense when T1 matched each other almost all the time – the occasional drop to T2 served as a PvE break perhaps. Next week onwards those matchups will be the norm. There will be casualties, that’s for sure.

Durzlla.6295:

In my experience higher tier players tend to suck outside of their blobs… Not to mention tier means nothing when it comes to player skill, it just tells you how good the server is at tactics and zergling herding

“Higher tier” players tend to be specced for very large group fights, because those are the norm in the higher tiers (and that is because the game is designed to encourage that, but that’s a different point). These specs tend to be suboptimal for small-group/solo fights.

The only way the “tier” or server can have an effect on player skill is as a result of the kind of fight that tier or server tends to be engaged in. If the majority of fights are smaller scale then the server might produce more experienced and hence better roamers. If the majority of fights are large-scale then the server will probably be better at that type of combat.

Each time some l33t roamer catches a “zergling” off-guard and laughs at the poor guy running away/doing badly in a fight, think about what will happen if you threw 30 of those l33t roamers against a 30-man zerg guild.

Fadhli.9086:

We know there are many, well established GMT +8 guilds in servers like TC, BG, CD and SBI. The difference between us and them is we strive for “quality, not quantity”.

That’s a nice thing to say about all these other guilds. I’m sure they all wish they had some of this “quality” thing.

Fuzzion.2504:

I think for as long as theres
JQ v T1 v T2
JQ v T1 v T1
JQ v TC v T2
JQ v TC v T1

There will be fun matchups

If its JQ v T2 v T2 then its going to be boring, fast.

JQ v T1 v T2
JQ v T1 v T2
JQ v T1 v T2

For any given T1 server, there are 2 other T1 servers and 3 T2 servers to match against. While we don’t know the exact mechanism of the matchups (it’s not random, because every server will be matched against each other at least once), it’s not very hard to see that mathematically the number of bad matchups is almost guaranteed to be similar to if not greater than the number of “good” matchups.

That is assuming T1 vs T1 vs T2 is considered a “good” matchup. In reality, we already see from the past few months that those matchups don’t end up being very close either, and timezone differences are magnified significantly with the lack of a third server with comparable coverage. If you only consider T1+T1+T1 to be a good matchup, then things start looking very, very bleak.

sostronk.8167:

scootshoot.6583:

sostronk.8167:

Blix.8021:

scootshoot.6583:

Furiousbeard.7602:

JQ is STACKED!

Wow, not the same server from 1 month ago.

JQ has all 4 maps on queue during Asian time zones….crazy I know, haha.

BG commanders during that time slot should instruct their players to stack and defend your home lands solely so the JQ players on the other 3 maps gets bored out of their minds.

All 4 maps are not queued during asian times, usually EB has a queue and maybe one other map if people are stacking to try to break a waypoint. People just communicate which map is being hit and drag people from map to map.

All 4 maps can be queued during SEA timezone and frequently is. I know because I have an alternate account on JQ and after being told this was the case I logged in on that account and found there actually was 4 maps queued. This was during the week, mind you, not on the weekend with people pulling OT from other timezones. Ive literally never seen BG with 4 maps queued during SEA when I have been there and I play SEA timezone ~90% of nights. On rare occasions SOR has had queues, but only a couple of times in the few weeks I spent there.

Once leagues start I suspect JQ will have queues during sea almost every night. SOR may be able to pull it off depending on just how much of an influx in numbers we see (from leagues). And BG probably wouldn’t pull it off without massive restructuring and timezone changes to get NA players to play during this timezone OR getting more sea guilds onboard.

Yep and JQ SEA gets more active once the weekend ends for North Americans.

Stead of spreading yourselves out this week and giving free bags to JQ, BG commanders should just stack everyone on their homeland map only during this timeslot and siege the crap out of it. Make JQ on the other 3 maps get bored silly for the full week.

Its still an issue because this would mean we can’t hold keeps on other maps, including waypointed ones. Not really much we can do. Meh. Coverage wars I will just get my stomps on.

You can laugh at the hordes of people sitting in queued maps in the off-hours with no opposition for about half the season when it’s a T1 server against 2 T2 servers, who can’t even map hop to find what little fights there are because the other maps are also queued

Eugene.8792:

ykyk.2740:

Vermillion.4061:

Only if TC got some oceanic/SEA it would be an interesting 4 way match in leagues.

This wouldn’t sting so much if some servers didn’t try so hard to poach the few that we have.

There must be reasons for Guilds leaving. If they want to play for the server, no one will be able to “poach” them successfully.

I agree. I guess there are some guilds out there that just want the easy way out, and there’s nothing wrong with that after all. Everyone has their preferred playstyle.

The more unbearable the matches, the more gem sales from players transferring servers.

Shorter matches, not a chance.

I like how WvW has disappointed players so comprehensively and reached such a low that people are seriously discussing the coordinator manipulating matchups for his personal enjoyment.

Is anyone really surprised that the final week before leagues has a full complement of terrible, terrible matchups? Last push to squeeze all that transfer gem sales.

Next step, 2 months for the esteemed team to gather more data while half the player base rots.

I think ALL the players in everywhere should go to JQ! Then they can play with themselves forever

Wish we got SBI this week, decent number of SG in TC here would have been interesting to fight you guys.

Vermillion.4061:

Only if TC got some oceanic/SEA it would be an interesting 4 way match in leagues.

This wouldn’t sting so much if some servers didn’t try so hard to poach the few that we have.

Vash.9183:

Anthrage.2519:

Here’s a short video of a fight at north camp on TCBL – always fun fighting you guys!

It’s always so amusing to attack the north camp on Tarnished Coast’s home borderland. You guys never fail to show up and don’t stop running back if you die. It reminds me of your nickname in the old days… “Tarnished Zombies.” :P

That’s zombie coast to you!

Luvpie.8350:

TC- Needs to stop recruiting and trying to become T1 server.

Not sure if you are suggesting if this is a thing but I can tell you it isn’t. What some of the T1 servers did or tried to do to some of our guilds (yes, to their closest competitors and a server which they already handily destroy) is “recruiting”. Take a look at the first few pages of the recruitment forum and see which servers have a bunch of threads. It’s not TC.

Some people care about “balanced matchups” and “good fights” and “long-term health of the WvW game mode”, but many more are stupid and just want to see a big pie chart and think they are part of something meaningful. You can’t change people. Either the system forces it, or the problem perpetuates itself. And the people behind the system clearly aren’t ready to do any form of forcing other than the kind that gets them gem sales.

The delightful people working the system already stated that they want to ensure “variety”, which prevents the logical step of keeping T1 in their own league despite

1. That having been the case forever and hardly anybody complaining about “stagnant matchups” in T1
2. People in T1 complaining when they don’t get the JQ/BG/SoR matchup because whoever drops to T2 dies of boredom for the week
3. All the transferring and stacking being for that exact JQ/BG/SoR matchup
4. Everyone and their mom saying that keeping kitten their own league is ideal

NOPE. Dev-man says variety is good. “Data” suggests people want “variety”. We need another season to collect more “data”.

So divide the leagues according to where the obvious gaps in power are, to ensure that each league is as competitive as possible?

Where would Anet get the gem income from transfers then? I thought the point was to make players _un_happy.

Skill lag

As a T2 player who has been in quite a few T1 matchups, skill lag is bearable unless at least one server is moving in one blob with the entire map’s worth of players, in which case it quickly becomes silly. Sometimes this is inevitable (e.g. Stonemist, keep takes) and skill lag quickly reduces those supposedly epic encounters into an exercise in frustration. You basically run around and press 1, and sometimes even that has a delay.
Using lag to detect incoming enemy zergs is a thing.

Coverage

Main disparity is in the off-hours, obviously. The gap is incredibly huge and is the main reason why no T2 and below server can come close to T1 servers in score, even if they could pull off a formal 2v1. NA times feel fairly even between T2 and T1 servers though I don’t play those times much.

Skill

Very subjective, but T1 guilds are more experienced in large-scale open field combat compared to say T3 and it shows in general. Just an effect of the environment they play in, there are obviously exceptions and there are very good guilds not in T1 and maybe not so good ones in T1 but I’m speaking in general here.

Can’t speak for queues and such obviously. Objectively speaking there are many good things about playing in a T1 server, along with some drawbacks (most significantly skill lag and possible queue times, especially when leagues roll out). When leagues do start though most matchups will be a mix of T1/T2 servers, and in the current state all of those matchups are not going to be very close, so I do urge anyone still looking to transfer up to look at servers ranked 4 to 6 as well.

They need more data.

MOAR DATA!

Because months of “data gathering” have not allowed our esteemed WvW dev team to recognize where the gaps of power are in the current ladder.

Forcing the T1 servers to match against non T1 servers for about 6 weeks out of 7 is hilarity.

Doomdesire.9365:

Look at the current T1 matchups Anet. Everyone is within nearly 3K of each other. That’s what we want, not a BG SoS DB matchup that ends up being so lopsided it’s decided within the first few hours…

The T1 servers are balanced around each other. The arms race, recruitment drives, everything is assuming that the T1 servers will verse each other the majority of the time. There is no semblance of balance when the 3 T1 servers are not in the same matchup – the score differences are MUCH bigger when you simply add ONE non-T1 server to the mix.

When leagues begin the BG/SoR/JQ matchup will probably happen only once per season. Every other matchup for every single server in gold league will be a blowout.

Chris.3290:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

ActionCat.4162:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Chris.3290:

urak.4863:

grave of hearts.7830:

bandwagoneers.

:O? We got some bandwagoneers?!?!?! Why weren’t we informed?!

Of course you didn’t; you went from tier 4 to tier 1.5 purely due to a fluctuation in the Earth’s gravity that cause bull dung to be more naturally buoyant.

10/10 troll bait successful. I didnt know that it took 10 months for bandwaggons to get that far, especially given that DB pulled it off in a month, and then QUICKLY fell apart. To a lesser degree you could look at kaineng for basically the same thing. No, TC has never been the “bandwaggon”, and we’ve never gotten influxes of guilds in a short time. Just over the last 2 weeks tier 1 servers have gotten more guilds than I can count on a single hand. HELL TC has even LOST some guilds recently.

please be more mad.

Ive been on DB since day 1 and what ive seen is we have hovered in T2 since about the 3rd month of the game.
-snip-

However true this is, before DB got all their transfers, they were hovering around the lead of tier 3. Then jumped up to being ahead of TC in T2 within 2 weeks after getting said MASS of transfers. (Should I bring up the extremely aggressive recruiting by noodles and mayo?)

Tier 2 hasn’t been competitive because it keeps on being home to folks trying to “create” the next super-server.
I have no idea why Fort Aspenwood has failed to launch, but I hear a lot about internal problems and no one likes the way they play the map lately.

SBI is going to be interesting because they formed in order to win the Silver League but keep stacking so much they stand an excellent chance of drifting into the Gold League depending on how next week goes. I personally expect them to fold like a wet noodle, but we’ll see how it goes.

We actually had some of our best and most intense weeks when T2 was home to the superserver projects (KN and DB). Too bad those dissolved so quickly.

TC rallying to overtake DB and take the win on the very last night of the match after being overpowered and talked down horribly by bandwagoners remains my favorite memory in WvW.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/36/69

Furiousbeard.7602:

I hate to burst any bubbles out there, but SBI is nothing compared to TC. The scores would have been a LOT different in this match if you swapped SBI for TC.

Now that DB is dead, I’m sure SBI could easily replace them as a tier 2 contender but it’s also tough to tell where they really sit since their community is excited to be fighting up the ranks. It isn’t hurting attendance. In the long run I don’t see T1 as a possible destination.

It’s nothing new. Up and coming server feels like they can take on the world after a few weeks of rolling empty servers, then they reach tier 2. Maybe they beat TC too, but then they match against T1 a few times. Or maybe TC starts beating them back. In another month’s time the bandwagon is no more.

Seen it with Kaineng and DB. Hope 3rd time’s the charm.

Chris.3290:

ActionCat.4162:

Thats an issue with DB, we have a large pve population that doesnt get involved with wvw that much, otherwise we would have a monster wvw population.

That’s the problem with every server in the game.
I’m actually going to be LMAO with glee as T1 loses it’s kitten during leagues when all the PvE folks go into WvW and clogs their queues for hours.

I would like this to happen so bad.

Niim.9260:

Seems like DB is in a good spot for silver league, should be about the middle of the league. Lots of target rich match-ups and a good chance at a balanced match or two.

Exactly this. DB is weakened, but nowhere near dead. Their SEA is probably still unmatched in silver league for one.

DB will be in a much better place once leagues start and they stop rolling rank 6 and above servers.

kitten.3178:

I wonder if SBI will beat TC

Hope they do, it’s better for everyone that servers 4-5-6 are closer in strength than it is now. Will make the leagues much less of a pain.

The guild leader already apologized and said he will deal with the members involved…sounds like a good time to let it go.

The ratings are closer than ever to representing actual strength. There is a 200 point gulf between TC and any tier 1 server, exactly showing the huge difference between tier 1 and even the strongest tier 2 server. There is a huge block in the T3/4/5 area where servers are fairly evenly matched, followed by another gulf and T6/7/8 where they are also fairly evenly matched.

Continued matchups under the current system would already be fine. If leagues are to be implemented, the cutoffs should be where the obvious gaps in power are – between T1 and T2, and then between T5 and T6.

Asudementio.8526:

Gamadorn.2659:

Really…you match DB….after it’s exodus….with TC….and SoS…

I was rooting for Mags or SBI to get the 6th spot….now even when we get rolled we are going to gain glicko because of your dumb system. Great job….grade A for moving 4 tiers with TC!!! Congrats!!!

Bro didn’t you hear? Wagonbrand is going to take T1 by storm, of course it should be matched up with servers like TC, and with servers like FA,JQ,BG, and SoR.

Wagoners are long gone, no need to hit them when they’re down =(

I think DB is solidly tier 3, 4 at minimum. Hang in there.

Chris.3290:

There’s going to be coverage discrepancies up and down the ranks, but the disparity between 3 and 4 is the most vast difference in the game. (4 and 5 was pretty steep, we’ll have to see how things work out with both losing numbers).

They need to create some drastic reasons to destack T1. All the recent changes have created more reason to stack there, they have to create reasons to leave or otherwise they’ll be able to do 2 leagues in Season 2 1-3 and 4-24

This. Please. Someone in charge. Realize this.

Peow peow.2189:

its getting to the point where there are 3 options left for most of us in the t2 and under servers…

stop playing W v W all together, possibly play spvp a much less fun game mode.

Hop servers to a t1 server and join the 70 man blob train

leave guild wars 2 all together and possibly play Wow or some other mmo

i dont count pve as an option because well… bleh

Is Anet going to do anything about these terrible match ups? and no i dont enjoy coming back 3 hours later to see everything we worked for gone.

One of your three options results in gem sales.

WvW-centric players are worth nothing to Anet because you are not likely to buy more PvE fluff from the gem store. The only gems you can contribute are those you buy for server transfers – go figure.

Bad matches create incentive for players to transfer, translating to gem sales.

Basics people, basics. There’s all the incentive in the world for them to make WvW terrible, because PvE has guesting and the only people transferring will be doing so for WvW.

Actually a great idea.

So people who stack don’t even need to contend with queues? Sweet. Where do I buy the gems to make this happen?

Will free transfers happen? Does Anet want to earn less money?

YOU decide!

renmei.3102:

I think you have me confused with someone else, I’ve been SOR since I created my account and helped fight up from rank 17. We’ve been where the current t2 servers are right now for months, logging in to 0 PPT, slowly taking upgraded towers and keeps and finally tick 350 for an hour or two before having to go to bed and knowing everything will be lost. You’ll adapt.

I didn’t quote you FYI.

This is what should have happened when they decided against 12-server leagues. At least under 12-server leagues each server had a much lower chance of playing T1, and the boredom of rolling terrible matchups all the time would have encouraged T1 servers to destack (stacked T1 is the FUNDAMENTAL problem with the WvW ladder).

Under the new kittened system those in #4-5-6 are emptying out because they will get approximately ONE close matchup per season. If you want to segregate the top “few” servers, that number should be THREE.

renmei.3102:

ykyk.2740:

You play on JQ dude. Everything you say is invalid.

Don’t ever insult me like that, kittening gross >.>

Nothing against JQ of course. That guy transfers to JQ and goes on about how those who stayed behind need to buck up and stop crying, LOL.

Rama.6439:

If you all are QQ about being outnumbered then you all are barking up the wrong tree. When I was on TC and we would get SoR, BG, or JQ, we loved it, we knew we were outnumbered, but we liked the fights, cause we always won, they might have won the ppt match, but we always won in open field, we would go up against 50-60 with just 30+ but we were organized, we used mumble, had good commanders, everyone was in chat and listened, even militia was in mumble and we all followed the tag, and we would always go for the open field fights, everytime, and we won almost everytime, so don’t sit here and cry about being outnumbered, numbers have absolutely nothing to do with it, a lot of people like to be the underdog, cause they know they can kick the bigger dogs kitten , even if they don’t win the over all fight.

You play on JQ dude. Everything you say is invalid.

Fuzzion.2504:

ykyk.2740:

Stupendous Man.4920:

Fuzzion.2504:

Based on

nPr = n! / (n – r)!
6P3 = 6! / (6 – 3)! = 6! / 3! = (6)(5)(4) = 120

There are a total of 120 possible permutations in the gold league.

But then again my maths is horrible. Can someone confirm if this true?

This is incorrect as nPr (permutations) does take into account the order of things. For example, JQ/SoR/BG is different to JQ/BG/SoR, but as far as match-ups are concerned they are the same. What you need is nCr (combinations):

6C3 = 6!/(3!3!) = 20.

There are a total of 20 distinct match-ups.

Representing the six servers by letters: A, B, C, D, E, and F we have the follow possible match-ups:
A/B/C
A/B/D
A/B/E
A/B/F
A/C/D
A/C/E
A/C/F
A/D/E
A/D/F
A/E/F
B/C/D
B/C/E
B/C/F
B/D/E
B/D/F
B/E/F
C/D/E
C/D/F
C/E/F
D/E/F

Since there are two sets of 3 servers matched against each other, we have the following possible pairings (match-up 1 | match-up 2):
A/B/C | D/E/F
A/B/D | C/E/F
A/B/E | C/D/F
A/B/F | C/D/E
A/C/D | B/E/F
A/C/E | B/D/F
A/C/F | B/D/E
A/D/E | B/C/F
A/D/F | B/C/E
A/E/F | B/C/D

9 out of 10 possible matchups will be blowouts?

Sounds about right to me!

According to http://ncalculators.com/statistics/permutation-combination-calculator.htm

it works out.

As regards to Blowouts

Anet hopes that T1 guilds will spill onto T2. So , As the season progresses , t1 and t2 will have equal numbers. Anet has high ambitions.

However, i suspect this is what will happen. Blowouts will,may or may not occur because the t2 servers will,may, or may not 2 v 1 the tier 1 server they are fighting. This is all speculation. I think no one really knows until season 1 passes.

I don’t think even a dedicated 2v1 can allow any T2 server to beat any T1 server at this point, not to mention a dedicated 2v1 is impossible to begin with.

The best that can happen for the good of the game at this point is for EVERYONE to transfer to T1 and then quit the game out of boredom, resetting the ladder God knows T1 servers are helping that along nicely already =/

Stupendous Man.4920:

Fuzzion.2504:

Based on

nPr = n! / (n – r)!
6P3 = 6! / (6 – 3)! = 6! / 3! = (6)(5)(4) = 120

There are a total of 120 possible permutations in the gold league.

But then again my maths is horrible. Can someone confirm if this true?

This is incorrect as nPr (permutations) does take into account the order of things. For example, JQ/SoR/BG is different to JQ/BG/SoR, but as far as match-ups are concerned they are the same. What you need is nCr (combinations):

6C3 = 6!/(3!3!) = 20.

There are a total of 20 distinct match-ups.

Representing the six servers by letters: A, B, C, D, E, and F we have the follow possible match-ups:
A/B/C
A/B/D
A/B/E
A/B/F
A/C/D
A/C/E
A/C/F
A/D/E
A/D/F
A/E/F
B/C/D
B/C/E
B/C/F
B/D/E
B/D/F
B/E/F
C/D/E
C/D/F
C/E/F
D/E/F

Since there are two sets of 3 servers matched against each other, we have the following possible pairings (match-up 1 | match-up 2):
A/B/C | D/E/F
A/B/D | C/E/F
A/B/E | C/D/F
A/B/F | C/D/E
A/C/D | B/E/F
A/C/E | B/D/F
A/C/F | B/D/E
A/D/E | B/C/F
A/D/F | B/C/E
A/E/F | B/C/D

9 out of 10 possible matchups will be blowouts?

Sounds about right to me!

Thread is going to be closed for sure.

When players act out their displeasure at the lack of certain game modes (cough GvG) by making their own ghetto version, the correct response is to look at why people aren’t playing the modes that you are offering and either improve those modes or start offering the modes that clearly have demand.

Anet went with “shut down this new mode and hope they play our other modes that we are not going to change”, can’t imagine anything good coming from people who think like that.

Vincent Von Demetri.1450:

DevonCarver.5370:

leviN.4390:

Hey DevonCarver, us bottom tiered server would like for you and your WvW decision buddies to join us over the next course of 7 weeks of WvW fun.

And I mean for you guys to actually participate. Not looking at stats and numbers from data collection. Join one server, a week and actively participate

Then actually get back to us with a written report on how fun it is

Sincerely

All bottom tiered servers that has kittenised by league

I will be on NSP throughout the duration of the season. And I will be getting the meta achievement.

How about this Devon, how about you play on a server that didn’t just conveniently get placed at the top of the Bronze League. How about we pick a server for you. Hmmm how about Isle Of Janthir, or Devona’s Rest? How about you and the developers actually swallow the pill you make us take for WvW?

He should play on server #6 when the leagues roll out. It will be so much fun.

Oh wait, the devs can look at “the numbers” and tell exactly what is going on the game. Who needs to play when you have the numbers?

Kimhyuna.1035:

ykyk.2740:

Terrible change.

Mainly for TC, FA and DB as it stands. Better for T1 servers though.

Definitely terrible for TC/FA/number 6 (got a feeling DB isn’t going to be there when leagues roll out), but not necessarily better for T1 servers either. There’s less incentive to de-stack now and queues could become a real problem when the achievement crap makes all the PvE people jump into WvW. JQ and BG have massive PvE populations and I’m sure SoR isn’t a small server either. Ditto TC.

Nobody wins when there’s no reason to de-stack, and god knows there’s no reason to de-stack now. If anything people from 4-6 are going to move up or down to avoid an entire season of being run over, the top half of the league drown in queues while the bottom is empty.

Terrible change.

At least they were getting punished for it under the old system of 12 servers per league (by having complete PvD matchups almost all the time). Now the gold league is a complete farce and MORE people are going to stack.

What is this? The gulf between 1-3 and 4-6 is ABSURD. At least under 12 servers per league the T1 servers will be pressured to de-stack. All this change does is kill off servers 4-6 because they will never get a good matchup for the ENTIRE SEASON.

Unbelievable.

Burl.9567:

Very boring week. League’s are gonna suck if this is what they turn out to be.

You think? This is #2 against #5 and #6. League goes down to #12.

One would think people actually realize things like that when they stack to top servers after leagues were announced.

Thanks to those who ran in the mini-parade earlier

Aurust.8961:

ykyk.2740:

Tie the vast majority if not all of the AP/tangible rewards to how much you play for your server, rather than what server you are on. Winning should have rewards, but it should be like icing on the cake, not the whole reason to play. Reward people for fighting hard, not for transferring to JQ.

Keep the number of servers in each league at 12. The more the T1 servers have to endure week-long PvD fests against lower servers, the faster people lose interest and de-stack and the faster the servers normalize. Some kitten bandwagoners may quit out of boredom, but good riddance to them and all the better for the long-term prospects of WvW. 6 per league is too few, people will still crowd to the top servers because they will still match each other about half the time.

Leagues have the potential to fix so many problems that have plagued WvW since the start – I can only pray Anet doesn’t screw this up.

This destacking is a huuuge misconception…….. it simply wont happen. Sure the NA population may destack and lower the chance of blowouts, but most points are scored during Oceanic/SEA/EU…. if these guilds move they will still likely face PVD. From their point of view, stay in the place you know for PVD or go to a new unfamiliar place to PVD.

This is a problem I agree. I play during SEA and I know how bad it is. The servers below us have nobody to fight against and the servers above us fill 3 maps and throw 80 people against our spawn, and this is only talking about the top 6 servers. There’s no middle ground, and you can’t blame the guilds for wanting to play with other guilds that play during their time and speak their language.

I still think there can be a better middle ground to the current situation, but players will have to take the initiative. TC has our fair share of blowout matches against T2 and below servers and those matches (especially during off-hours) are some of the most mind-numbingly stupid experiences a WvW player can have. I cannot imagine the T1 off-hour guilds can stand months of those on end, somebody has to give in.