Guild Wars 2

Otokomae.9356:

People keep saying that guilds will “spread out” once this starts, and that we’ll see more parity as a result, but that’s really not going to happen without some sort of free or severely discounted transfers. Most of the time, when whole guilds are spending thousands of gold or real-life dollars to transfer, they are moving to a server where they feel relatively certain that they will end up in Tier 1. This happened when transfers were free, as well, but guilds were more open to moving down a tier and trying to work their way back up when the transfers were free.

See, under the new system “tier 1” no longer has any meaning because the “strongest” servers are never guaranteed a matchup. It’s always more beneficial under this server to have a range of fairly competitive servers over one tier of 3 stacked servers, because the alternative is week after week of bad matchups.

Please don’t turn this thread into an “SoR is the best” thread, I’m sure there’s some of those elsewhere.

Obviously SoR is currently poised to beat any other NA server (probably overwhelmingly) 1v1 especially outside T1. Nobody is saying anything else and I have no idea why so many SoR need to emphasize this.

Peetee.9406:

This system seems a bit crazy to me.

SoR vs any 2 servers not named JQ ticks at over +500 the whole week. No fun for anyone!

I think the idea is eventually whoever is in this position catches on and sends some guilds to other servers. There’s very little doubt that the tier 1 servers (SoR in particular) in their current forms will dominate any server outside of tier 1, but this system would ideally force the balance of power to spread out across many more servers (the alternative is terrible matchups every week). This is in the long run, of course. The next few weeks will probably be fiascos, but I don’t see a better way forward in terms of dealing with stagnation.

This would be bad only if servers remain stagnant. The prospect of constant unbalanced matchups (since tiers are so far apart in coverage) and no longer being guaranteed to fight the same few rival guilds might eventually encourage “top WvW guilds” to (GASP) transfer off the same few stacked servers and spread out among more servers, which will in the long run result in better matches with more variety.

Under this system the only way to ensure “good fights” every week is to spread out, and not stack to the top like under the old system.

Jski.6180:

Dhampyr.2104:

Jski.6180:

Well it looks like FA is done for this week and more then like T2.

Um, what?

FA may be done on the scoreboard, but that’s more due to coverage gaps than to attitude IMO. Been in WvW all week, and when FA is there, they’re THERE. I consistently see the PPT swing heavily in their favor when they’re actually on the field.

And as for them being “done” in T2… barring the May 28 ranking shakeup and how that pans out, they’re far from done in T2. They’re currently more than 100 Glicko points ahead of Mags, and that lead is increasing.

FA isn’t going anywhere, and I’m glad they’re not.

I think things are going to get a lot worst for FA soon it sux but we will try to have fun before it happens! Also during bags are still bags you guys are good to farm.

FA are currently ticking for highest PPT during DB prime time

The T1 servers are either gaining strength or already too strong to begin with. Doesn’t really matter when nobody is going to displace the top 3 without some massive shakeup.

I just feel bad for all these servers.

At least DB has a solid core of loyalists once this particular “project” is done with.

Whitebeard.5172:

WyldKat.4712:

Tearofsoul.9843:

I don’t recall being wiped by TSL for a very very long time.

That’s one of my main life goals. To be able to wipe myself until the day after I die. Yep, it’s the simple goals you have to shoot for. I said shoot.

Wyld, you crack me up and goals are a good thing although I don’t think I can aim that high. I’ll settle for a cute nurse for that duty when the time comes and be happy. and if she’s really cute I’ll be eating those exlax chocolate bars like candy.

Ugh!

Maybe they don’t want to get back to tier 2 anymore. I think those who mind what tier they are in have already left by now, because of exactly what you described.

Just seems fairly rude to try to assume that the remaining KN players and guilds are willing to abandon the server for a tier number.

Edit: Also hilarious the number of FA posters that have already tried to blow the party chat in that screenshot to huge proportions. That is one person making one statement about KN, likely in the context of the WvW meta (which I’m honestly not sure if some of the more vocal FA posters actually understand), but apparently to many of you guys it just means the entirety of our server are backstabbing hypocrites. It must be stifling to have such a narrow view of the world, because I don’t believe you guys are actually trying to troll.

Just confused as to the purpose of posting those updates (seemingly on a daily basis!) when everybody on every side knows exactly what is going on anyway. Is there some sort of point to be made?

GuardianOMS.8067:

I think you know, because just about every server has done it.

I mean, I understand people do it when they do particularly well or an opponent does particularly poorly and they want to rub people’s noses in it, but hasn’t this been happening for like every single day in this tier for the past n weeks?

TassyTas.2147:

Just leave this here…

If an outsider might so venture a question…

what is the point of this type of score update?

Rawnoodles.1398:

Hey!

Server rep/leader of a very big WvW guild here!

If any guilds/players are interested in moving elsewhere please contact me!

Some exciting information to share with those that are interested joining a newly reformed dedicated WvW server

Because people in this tier don’t know what happened to the previous “newly formed dedicated WvW server”

Feel bad for Dragonbrand.

Niim.9260:

Lanimal.6541:

Niim.9260:

I wish folks would just accept the fact that servers can have different cultures and thus different views and priorities and different views of success and winning.

Because of a largely opposing views of the game, it is entirely possible for both FA and TC to feel like they are winning at the same time and this thread is the fallout from them trying to prove their winning is more meaningful then the others and gain validation of their version of victory.

The only thing that actually matters to either side is, do you have fun playing the game the way you do? If so, who cares that someone else’s view of success is different then your own?

Fair points but I think the issue is that if FA truly does not care about winning and ppt etc they really should not constantly Q.Q about recruitment / transfers / coverage / 2v1 / PR teams / server zergballs etc.

If all FA wants is open-field fighting; fine talk about it. Talk all you want about GvG and loot bags and continue to post selectively edited footage which I enjoy watching. However, I personally don’t believe that is the case. I believe FA does care about winning and PPT etc but just falls back to this crutch of “oh who cares about the framework of WvWvW” every time they start losing. That I think is where the clash of server cultures happens in my opinion.

I think it comes back to validation. When a FA person talks about GvG and loot bags, who gets upset and posts something about PPT and place in the tier? When a TC person posts about place in tier and PPT, who gets upset and posts about loot bags and GvG? No one wants their view of winning to be invalidated, so you get these kinds of threads.

I could easily twist your statement to:

I believe TC does care about bags and GvG etc but just falls back to this crutch of “oh who cares about bags and GvG” every time they lose

Frankly anyone that suggests, on either side, that the clash of cultures is one sided has their head in the sand.

Exactly. There’s no difference between FA going “oh gvg open field loot bags blah” and TC going “scoreboard ppt meta blah”. It’s kind of simplistic to categorize two huge (ok, one huge and one rather big) servers along those kind of lines – FA has people who think about ppt and I know for a fact TC has plenty of people who put effort into improving open field combat. It gets ridiculous when we endlessly fling crap at the other server for some type of supposed “server mentality” or for not playing WvW the way you think is the best.

Lanimal.6541:

Niim.9260:

I wish folks would just accept the fact that servers can have different cultures and thus different views and priorities and different views of success and winning.

Because of a largely opposing views of the game, it is entirely possible for both FA and TC to feel like they are winning at the same time and this thread is the fallout from them trying to prove their winning is more meaningful then the others and gain validation of their version of victory.

The only thing that actually matters to either side is, do you have fun playing the game the way you do? If so, who cares that someone else’s view of success is different then your own?

Fair points but I think the issue is that if FA truly does not care about winning and ppt etc they really should not constantly Q.Q about recruitment / transfers / coverage / 2v1 / PR teams / server zergballs etc.

If all FA wants is open-field fighting; fine talk about it. Talk all you want about GvG and loot bags and continue to post selectively edited footage which I enjoy watching. However, I personally don’t believe that is the case. I believe FA does care about winning and PPT etc but just falls back to this crutch of “oh who cares about the framework of WvWvW” every time they start losing. That I think is where the clash of server cultures happens in my opinion.

To be fair nobody likes to lose and everybody in every form of competition ever comes up with reasons when they do lose. Sometimes it’s valid reflection and often it’s plain excuses, but being able to ignore those reactions is part of sportsmanship and class.

As for the clash of server cultures, I think it makes for great entertainment and rivalry. As long as people don’t start taking things too seriously.

Not too sure why people think FA will drop, it’s almost certain to be KN at this point. In fact, it’s already KN by almost 20 rating points, and with all this news about KN breaking up…I guess WM was the glue that held everything together, after all. Wonder where the remaining guilds will hop to.

Mainly the latter. I’m guessing this just isn’t very high on the priority list because with some of the cases (I know my server has one) there’s just irrefutable mountains of evidence and no lack of people sending in reports.

Joy, people from other tiers join the fray on the rubbish transfer issue.

Who says TC isn’t actively recruiting? There’s a huge thread of us trying to fill our coverage gap (which, once again, has been there since release and something we lived with for 4 months of losing in tier 2). I don’t think anyone is being secretive about it. As for recruiting from DB, have you even read the thread in question?

You guys haven’t even got here yet but the buy to win transfer wahhhh whining is preemptively starting? DB is better than that.

Chris.5024:

Just leave it. People know what goes on in-game and posting stuff that will just get deleted is a waste of time. Everyone is the best in their own minds, welcome to modern gaming.

WvW forums won’t be what it is without every guild on every server wiping everyone else with half the numbers =(

Who cares who’s trying to recruit who, geez. Like any Tier 2 and up server hasn’t had a bunch of transfers. KN has probably received enough hate from every server they destroyed on the way up after their transfers, and FA received a huge portion of IoJ in a same-tier transfer and then dominated T3 for weeks. We got 3 guilds after 8 months of having a gaping coverage hole (and 4 of those months getting our maps washed green routinely everyday in T2 due to said hole) and suddenly we’re some evil bandwagon server who’s ruining WvW >_>

Lighten up, understand that matchups are always in flux and maybe the thread won’t become like the joke that is T1.

Peetee.9406:

SoR ticking at +300 vs TC – “Quit patronizing us, bring your full force”
SoR ticking at +690 vs TC – “Quit spawn camping us”

Something like this, I guess. It’s easy to twist it to look like it’s the other server is being ridiculous, but what’s stopping SoR from going +690 without spawn camping and then posting various pictures of interesting siege formations at our spawn along with a green pie chart at 20 minute intervals? I don’t think either server is blameless in that whole fiasco, so let’s just stop arguing about it when there isn’t really much to argue in the first place.

The fact of the matter is whatever happened, it’s true that there might be SOME on TC that don’t see SoR in all that good a light. Is it justified and does it matter? That’s for nobody to say.

covenn.7165:

OutspokenAardvark.9781:

I can tell you if BG were to move down and TC move up, your problem is only going to get worse because most of TC still hates SoR and I include myself in that group. I know I would take a third place week after week just to see how low I could keep SoR’s score.

See, this is an example of someone who jumped on the ‘being patronized’ bandwagon. Absolutely silly and sad at the same time. Did you actually ever read any of the initial posts that started the ‘drama’ and make any attempt to take them at face value, or did you just pay attention to the ultra sensitive poster or two from your server that invented drama where there should have been none?

Err… or were you one of the posters that caused that situation? It has been a while and I don’t recall who they were.

To be fair, a number of rather vocal SoR hopped on that train and started some pretty distasteful posturing towards the final week of the SoR/TC/SBI matchups. I recall a stretch where close to 10 different +600 ppt score updates were posted within half an hour along with snide comments. I don’t exactly recall how the whole “patronizing” crap started and I’m sure there were people on the TC side that overreacted (those couple weeks were some of the lowest points for morale in general for the server), but those few SoR didn’t exactly help.

I also recall quite a few people did not take SoR’s supposed “tanking to stay in tier 2 for another week to build up community” thing too well, so that may be one of the things as well. Getting off topic though, back to T1 inter-server bashing!

I don’t think it’s a problem, don’t let people tell you how to play.

…Well, if your server is getting pushed on two fronts right to the keep and outmanned, and you hop in and instantly ask for Mesmers in the JP I can see why people might get annoyed, but that’s about it.

JudgeD.5673:

As an old Kaineng hand (t8 days), I recall how we tended to focus on defending what we had (due to Devona). Either we have come to rely on numbers too much and have forgotten how to defend, or we have quite a bit of “untrained militia”. In either case, I wonder if we need to pull back and regroup as it were. Granted I’m not in WvW all the time like some, but I see signs of disorganization. Going up against two organized servers with numbers worked for awhile but it seems that strategy has passed.
Having said all that, I know our TS server is mentioned often in mapchat and that there are efforts to train new ppl. I commend those cmmdrs who are. But I fear we have become the Polish facing down the German blitzkreig (for those who know their history). Maybe a stay in t3 is what we need.
I may be out of line here and not have all the info, and if so, I apologize, but this is what the situation appears like from my viewpoint.

A server like Kaineng that rapidly rode the momentum of multiple WvW-focused elite guilds will eventually suffer burnout – only the most ridiculously stacked server can completely rely on dedicated WvW players to fill all the maps. Otherwise you need to draw from the PvE/casual/militia/fairweather/pug (however you want to call it) population – and as mentioned it’s probably in that department that KN is being outperformed right now.

The good thing is that you guys still have a powerful core of great WvW guilds. Easily enough to comfortably win tier 3, and that’s with WM being MIA. Keep in mind that you guys are facing two very consistent servers that have weathered long, long stretches of being at the bottom of their tiers and came out stronger – you guys have what it takes too.

Oh and massive props to FA for excellent play on their home borderlands for the second week running.

Dragonbrand, but you need to run with their Asian primetime.

Rayya.2591:

Paul.2745:

And I didn’t have much fun. How gear dependent is the PvP in this game, because I literally just melted while doing barely any damage to the enemy. Very lame, because I expected something better than World of Warcraft PvP.

So you have 20 minutes experience in PvP, you know only 1 class , maybe not even all skills , you got no clue what enemy clas can do , you had 20 minutes farming gear , and you espect to win against full geared players maybe with 2000+ hours experience
What are we the rest of the players ? Rat Labs for you ?
And even more lool 20/30/0/0/20 on an guardian, 13000 hp much and 2400 p defence ? let me explain you that decent guardians got 3000+ defence and over 16500 hp + 1000 hp heals /dodge… protection/ retailation almost non stop.
It looks for sure like an l2 kitten ue

This may be slightly harsh, but that’s the gist of it. To OP: you go into something with no experience, significantly lower than optimal gear (full exotics are really not hard to come by in this game, and even full rares is a huge step up from masterwork gear), little knowledge of how to build or play your newly level80 class in a PvP scenario, and you lost a fight. What else did you really expect? That other players die as quickly as PvE mobs?

meluhha.4031:

Has anyone seen my cat?

I think he transferred to TC!

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

http://imgur.com/a/AUI2i#14

;D

“we all need a rez” LOL

Great stuff.

drtoph.4857:

Harrish.8743:

Haldunius.7864:

Regardless, to the few TC that saw that, please keep the feeling in mind you had when someone posted something you considered private regardless of how well someone can perform verbal gymnastics to justify it.

Sheesh, Mr. Bashful.

For people that want to look at the TC community forums its tcgw2.com.

The WvW section requires registration. If you register you get to see a match up thread with really cool score updates, some stuff about battle strategy and WvW burnout, and videos of recent fights.

For people that want to look at the FA community forums its fort-aspenwood.com.

Their WvW section also has a match up thread (where they spend most of their time mocking TC for wearing wizard hats and running away from fights), a couple of neat threads about the strength of the FA community, and a recruitment thread where they talk about how to get more SEA coverage and convince Kaineng guilds to join them.

Big deal.

Can we please stop acting offended that people from other servers are curious about what goes on in our communities. As long as people are respectful and don’t intrude in the conversations, what’s the harm of having visitors on your forums?

This is the most disigenuous piece of garbage I have seen thrown around by TC to date.
“come see Tc forums, they are all love and rainbows”
“go see FA forums they are a bunch of meanies making fun of us for RP walking”

I’m sure there aren’t any threads bashing FA up on your site, nope non at all. Certainly not any threads with pages of quotes taken out of context from the FA community so your player base can hate on us even more.

Just in case you are curious, it is this exact holier than thou attitude portrayed in this post that originally instigated the intense distaste that FA developed for TC all those weeks ago in T3. Good to know somethings don’t change. Portraying this as a one sided grudge match and making it seem like the hate isn’t mutual and discussed on both sides of the conflict is just ridiculous. Way to keep it classy TC, why don’t you throw up some more SS from our forums, cause that is a really classy move.

What’s with the sensitivity? He put up all the links. Anyone who’s actually interested can simply register and view both public WvW forums to see for themselves what kind of picture is being painted of rival servers on our respective forums. The tone, level of maturity, everything is in plain sight. There’s no real need to get worked up, unless of course people feel insecure about how their server is being portrayed by the type of posts they make.

Haldunius.7864:

Hickeroar.9734:

Evalana.5480:

Unfortunately.5940:

Hickeroar.9734:

I think it’s been kinda ugly lately with TC-v-FA largely due to that widely circulated FA forum post about the “hogs” of TC. While I’m sure it doesn’t reflect the views of all of FA, it was “liked” by many of the FA community, and was a really low, immature, deluded, prideful, and non-factual post.
…

That was also only posted on our server’s forums where you have no business being.

I also don’t see how it was ‘liked by many of the fa community’… probably 5 people lol’d at it publicly, and there were several that said ‘knock it off’. Please quit overgeneralizing.

It’s a public forum. If FA doesn’t want other servers looking on, they can require that all members are verified before viewing.

Are you being serious right now? You are telling me if I go create an account and start posting things from TC’s forum you guys won’t get upset? Because I’m sure we can find some interesting things in there like this:

Context is an amazing thing, I’ll say that.

As for the whole 2v1 thing…someone always has to be the 1, but people never think to complain until they are the 1. The fact remains that the tier is competitive enough that every server’s actions can directly impact the rankings – we might even have 3 different servers take 1st place over 3 weeks by the end of this week. That’s AMAZING – no other tier can come remotely close to that.

Maybe next week the colors will change and servers will change targets, and a different server gets pressured – every week so far has been different and can play out differently because the servers are all so balanced. I think all our servers are above falling apart after a single bad week – FA has proven that over months and months and I have faith in my server. That leaves KN which seems to have developed some issues, which is probably why people are trying to help them back on their feet – because this is the best T2 ever. Look at T1 – one server starts to struggle a little and everyone tries to kick them when they’re down. Won’t want to be a part of that crap ever.

BT has some great movement in KNBL today, really organized pain train.

That gap is pretty indicative of tier strength, at least in the upper tiers. Any currently tier 3 server will be blown out in tier 2, which is why it’s so hard for them to move up. Pretty sure it’s the same way for t2 and t1.

T2 is awesome. I don’t think any of the servers really want to be anywhere else right now with the way the tier looks.

WyldKat.4712:

I’m starting to feel like the TC people want it more this week. And that was before I kept running into Kaineng people everywhere before realizing I was in Kaineng BL.

I did not get enough sleep…

I think it’s awesome that the servers (TC and FA in particular) are so closely matched that whoever wants it more that week can actually come out ahead. Not too many matchups have that privilege as far as I can see.

It’s ok guys, dude’s been made to look silly enough already along with his guild.

Tarnished Coast has quite a few SG WvW regulars AFAIK, and some big solid SEA-time guilds in Pro and FIST, but it’s no secret that we are undermanned on the oceanic/SEA front and would always welcome anyone from those timeslots with open arms. So yes, AFS will be shoring up a weak timezone and you probably won’t be on the side that’s zerging everyone down during these times.

What you will be doing however is joining one of the most welcoming, friendly and stable communities the game has to offer (I think TC’s reputation speaks for itself, but our community forums at tcgw2.com are public and our recruitment thread is full of compliments from our rival servers). You will fight alongside an incredibly experienced and resilient SEA/oceanic crew that’s been essentially fighting outmanned in the upper tiers night in and night out for the past half a year and never yielded, and you will be part of what I believe to be the tier with the healthiest competition at the moment. The T2 scores and threads for the past few weeks are there for all to see – close battles, a healthy dose of respect, people having fun and none of the toxicity and negativity in the oh so coveted tier 1.

(I’m just a random SGer who WvWs and don’t represent any of the server’s major guilds, and I know there are many of us like me on TC. I’m sure one of the server representatives will also contact you guys in due time, but in the meantime this is just what a random zergling feels about my beloved server. We say we’re outmanned at this time, but it’s not as if we don’t have people on – it’s more of lacking organization. Personally speaking, I believe a good sized SEA guild such as yourselves would have immense growth opportunities in a community like TC to make a mark for yourselves and really be a part of your server’s success. Please think about it )

Grimpaw.7493:

Can we not make up for coverage by splitting KNBL in half and spend most of our time fighting over who keeps Garrison? KGarrison, the new SM!
I know I’d like to see this match come down to the wire for all three servers.

TC and FA working together, that’ll be the day!

Tallis.5607:

The complete history of the FA – TC matchup in the past…

I really, really don’t know where this is supposed to be going…

FA and TC are possibly the 2 most closely matched servers in the entire NA side right now. It’s almost a matter of time before FA takes their win and takes the rivalry up yet another notch, something I’m sure many people are looking forward to on both sides. All this “history” shows is that we had a much larger population during our tier 3 stretch.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/SoR-needs-more-Oceanic-EU-players/first#post1638477
Posted by: Titan.3472
Seriously… SoR is no more T1 server.
Kaineng is T1 quality server.
SoR wvw population might have to consider moving from there instead of asking people to pay a transfert to their server that will loose ranks anyway. There is a way to far gap with BG and JQ. T1 will be balance when Kaineng will be in T1.
Sorry SoR your time is about over in high charts, you ll have to consider moving from your own server in a month or two if you dont want to play in lower tiers .
Any EU guild actually considering paying to transfer in NA T1 server from EU would choose KN or BG.

lol

Titan.3472:

GL in tier 3 and lower then to people who stays in SoR.
SoR are not competitive in T1 at ALL, they are just defending/upgrading NOTHING and let either BG or JQ take all and get maxed ppt. On another side, Kaineng is way stronger than you are but you ll never find out by yourself as you ll switch rank with them in few weeks.
Believe me KN is close to BG strenght and way stronger than SoR. You don’t want to hear it but SoR time in T1 is about to end now for the sake and balance of the overal T1 matchup (JQ would never win almost for free if there would be a real T1 server instead of SOR, atm T1 is a 1vs1 no SoR in view).

Good going, plug your server and insult another server in said server’s rallying thread.

I don’t recall BG vs KN being particularly close, either. That isn’t too far back, maybe you have memory issues?

You guys are too easily tricked =(

Kingzook.1620:

Porky.5021:

Shiren.9532:

If BG is strong enough, it could damage JQ morale enough to send them to tier two or below.

I don’t think I agree with that.

JQ’s new transfers may leave, but JQ’s core seems to be the most solid of any. They hung together through weeks of losing to SoS and always came out to fight.

If JQ morale gets damaged, some of the new transfers may leave, but I don’t foresee a wholesail bailing of the server like we’ve seen on other servers.

Things change, and who knows, but JQ is probably the least likely server I can see just collapsing at this point, just because of how solid the core was for months.

I hope your right but i do not believe it.

In tier 3, back when when it was TC, FA, and CD; TC would smash our face every week, but the servers held together. Then TC went tier 2 and CD started winning tier 3. They won for a few weeks, with good points leads also. IoJ comes down and joins FA after a week, next week FA beats CD. CD splinters and lose half of their big PvP guilds.

Same could be said to IoJ, they were use to winning, hit tier 1 and lost, then they slowly few apart.

Granted, paid transfer affected peoples decisions a lot at this time.

but the point is, servers that are use to losing, it seems, stay together better then servers that are use to winning

And, i believe, regardless of which server you are on, each server will go through its ups and downs.

I think TC and FA have been outstandingly stable. FA withstood 2nd and 3rd place finishes in T3 for well over 2 months and held its core, and even gained IoJ’s guilds with their spirit. TC was hammered in T2 for 2 months and remained essentially intact if not stronger as well. “Top tier” servers that are held together by big “hardcore” guilds and equally big egos are not exactly a recipe for stability.

From what I’ve seen of Maguuma, their people are fighting pretty darn hard in the maps they can field numbers on. It’s just that TC on the other hand has exploded with massive 4-map queues every single day with some long-suffering map completionists finally getting their WvW completion after over 2 months in T2…

It seems like TC will be staying in T3 for at least another week, and I’ll expect the numbers to equalize a bit as the rush of map completionists slows down. Some of my favorite weeks of WvW were against Yak’s Bend so population advantage or no I hope that will be a fun matchup worth looking forward to!

eithinan.9841:

I am having fun fight TC. Thank you. That is all

Just want to say that DB fights incredibly hard and well even when clearly outnumbered, and then dominate in ruthless fashion when you do pull the numbers. Last night was brutal.

SoS is a bit of a wildcard here, though they seem to be holding their own in T2 against 2 very strong servers so I suspect they’ll be too strong for the current T3 as well.

Ideally the gaps between each tier shouldn’t be as big as they are now such that occasional tier movements don’t immediately create blowout matches, but transfers lulz

On one hand that does encourage a degree of server loyalty for what that’s worth, but it also punishes people who get tired of their higher tier and wish to play in a different environment or help a struggling server.

Map update, for anyone who still wants to keep track I guess

Maniac.5163:

Kerithlan.1659:

Maniac.5163:

When we fought HB they were running much smaller groups than PiNK has been able to in all of our previous matches. Did they mass recruit or merge recently?

HB has somewhere around 100 or so members right now. You can visit their website here if you’re interested in applying to join them.

Actually I think that is a Danish football club. xD
They do have a website and I’ve followed Smokee’s videos for a long time. Just never saw groups of 30+ HB in videos or in person when we fought HB, in comparison to 30-40 man PiNK groups. I would consider applying but they are on Blackgate, I’ve been hoping they would come to FA to fill our EU coverage gap haha..

When you are as good as HB your zergs look twice as big as they really are. True story!

zastari.1730:

I like servers that run around in zergballs instead of splitting up even when they own most everything across the maps. Little fishies are afraid they might get caught alone and have an accidental pvp experience.

Glad you feel this way about the match!