Guild Wars 2

Score update it is!

Score update:

Nut.4713:

Why are we still talking about emotes, it’s been 6 pages already. Does anyone really care that much?

And Vagrant, I was there throughout the SM siege you’re referring to and the subsequent defense. Your claims are pure nonsense.

It doesn’t matter whether you believe it or not, or whether anyone believes it or not for that matter. Someone asked for our side of the story, and there it is. You can no more disprove it than we can prove it, because you are not us and because there is no point. There is no future in arguing about something as silly as this.

The battle enters the final phase – let’s end with a bang, and not in the “get our thread locked” way.

kanikani.2430:

The FA people I play with, would never, NEVER, help another server by killing enemy siege attacking their keep/tower/whatever, nor would we help protect it while it upgraded. Are you all honestly justifying this idea? Did you even read what the person said?

This sounds like the same rationality for camping the jump puzzle or spawn camping or hacking or glitching, and so on and so forth. And you claimed to be the one server that was above all of that. I remember when we were playing Blackgate you suggested it was all about the fun battles and and enjoy the defense, etc. This today sounds like metagaming and winning at any cost, not even close to the same TC we played before.

Now as far as the personal attacks, I was not there, I do not care, SMC has flipped more times to count so who cares, and that’s not the point. No one should have things handed by them on a silver platter by an enemy. And no that is not how the game was intended.

There are a lot of negative things I could say about FA at this point, but this kind of actions are not one of them thank goodness. You know what we would have done in that situation? We would have bunkered down built a lot of siege and stood our ground like the bad kitten we are, and if we lost it, we would have lost it in a good fight. Not pull some hypocritical, backhanded metagaming bs.

I agree there is a thing called strategy, but there also is a thing called honor, and why should we be sacrificing that for a game?

And since we are putting this out there like this I would also like to point out I have seen this more then 10 times so far this match, this kind of ‘tactic’.

Also, I have seen some great players from both Yak’s and TC, just as when we played before. And I will continue to play, just because of them, thankfully they are the majority.

I have NO idea what is wrong with you. I hope some of your FA comrades can attempt to convince you how obvious a move it was on our part – I completely fail to see the problem you have with it. WvWvW is where 3 servers square off in tactics and strategy (and zergs obviously) – we saw a course of action that is tactically sound and went for it. I don’t see anyone else bleating about this honor crap. If you like to go down in a blaze of glory suit yourself, but don’t force your warped ideals on people with an actual sense of the flow of battle and are playing the strategic game.

I guess we’re sorry for winning? I don’t really know what to say here.

kanikani.2430:

Vagrant.1094:

We (those of us leading) didn’t want FA to have SM. When it became clear that the position was untenable, focusing FA to prevent them from taking it while YB moved in from the north allowed you folks to get the cap.

It’s the same reason I /pointed 10 times from the south wall to a few YB 5min later, to make sure you all saw FA’s cats and wiped them – we were on our way to do it for you had you not paid attention.

And if you saw a lone female TC on the walls of outer SM when FA burst through again – once more, that was me reporting on the situation to make sure FA wouldn’t take SM. Were they ever in a position to do so, we would have wiped them for you. We didn’t need to, because YB put up some great defense, and eventually your wall upgrade kicked in.

Also, I’m not saying we’re the sole reason you took and held SM. I’m just saying we ‘wanted’ you to have it, and keep it, and were working to ensure that after you claimed it from us. Why? Because FA is much closer in points value, and we don’t want them getting any more than they already have

Great night, great fights. Well done to all servers. FA, one day the people who sit at SM all the time are going to learn to check that southern wall. One day. I was the engineer who kept running up to solo your catapults (sloooowly) and repair the walls. Good times.

Some strong leadership and good organisation tonight on TC’s part in EB – well done to all involved.

~Nyari Cil, Queen.

So I will take this as an open acknowledgement that there is an alliance between the leaders of TC and Yaks? One server or leaders of a server more specifically helping the other get or keep a point, is that not the definition of metagaming?

I don’t think it’s any arrangement between “leaders”, though I obviously don’t represent any prominent figure from TC. It was an obvious tactical decision – we had to lose SM, and we obviously rather lose it to YB because FA is closer to us in points. If YB was in 2nd we would’ve done the reverse. I don’t see anything wrong about this. A decision was made that we could not hold, and to prevent FA from getting SM as much as possible. The server then acted as such.

This isn’t going to help the 2v1 allegations at all :P

Score update:

wombat.6123:

sceptus.9415:

You need NA players more than you need Oceanics. You are losing more points in the day and you have a huge zerg at night. Just saying, not trying to be mean or cause any bad feelings, but its my observation from playing you folks this week. What you need to do is teach your already great night zerg how to defend its territory. Add some NAs to your server and you have a tier 2 or 1 game going on.

Your are wrong about FA’s Oceanics. We have very few of them.

We are usually outmanned on 3 of the 4 WvW maps during Oceanic hours. One or two guilds have a reasonable number of players (15+) in this time period and the maps they go to are the only ones we aren’t outmanned on. It’s only because they skip between maps during Oceanic time that it looks like we have a reasonable force.

From the point of view of TC, you guys have much more than us (and sometimes Yak’s combined!) during that time period. Yesterday in fact we were barely above outmanned on one map, outmanned on the other and had all our players shuffle between TCBL/EB desperately defending key objectives to stop the FA onslaught We’re used to it though, matching against CD for 2 weeks already.

exits.8075:

ryan.3915:

Went to bed and woke up 8 hours later, glad that CD is still holding about 60% of the territory. Go CD!

Score update
Crystal Desert – 118k, +290
Maguuma – 74k, +145
Darkhaven – 65k, +260

Every night I go to bed and the score is something like this:

Crystal Desert – 165
Darkhaven – 195
Maguuma – 320

It’s really depressing to fight your way to the top during prime-time hours, only to wake up to a huge deficit. Overall it’s not that bad, I guess. I’ve come to feel that this bracket is the cutoff between those servers with larger Oceania and European players bases vs servers with just a large NA presence.

As a TC player who’s been playing tier 3 for endless weeks, I can assure you this is not the case. We have precious little oceanic/euro presence and against CD we routinely got beat down to +100 or less during their prime (against FA we went down to +45 at one point just two days ago). The trick is to make it all back during NA where they are weaker, as their prime hours don’t last long.

Glad to hear it!

A rematch is looking likely, unless significant changes in score happen to either Yaks or Crystal Desert. FA will almost definitely be against TC again next week.

I like the comments by the video uploader in some of these vids. Real classy.

As an outsider from the faraway magical land of the US ladder…wow get over yourselves. Servers win, servers lose, servers have more numbers, blah blah. What do you accomplish by insisting your server is more “skilled” or insulting other servers? Especially after you lose, that’s just total lack of class.

Tier 7 is close. Tier 3 is close. 4/5/6 are kind of iffy at the moment (tier 4 has to deal with a tier 3 server dropping to roll them every week, 5 and 6 currently have to deal with HoD/ET the ghost servers). I’ll suggest a tier 3 server, so Tarnished Coast, Fort Aspenwood, Yak’s Bend or Crystal Desert. The community’s great on TC, but I’m sure you can find wvw fun in any of those servers (CD does indeed have a weaker day time population, their prime time seems to be oceanic/asian prime).

By suggesting that Yak’s has “sold out” and “agreed to help us”, you are insulting both servers.

FormulaX.8901:

After about 12 hours of both Yak and TC trebbing SMC from the north and SW gates (while not attacking eachother, mind you) TC finally got SMC.

I was there for the final defense (after beating back the initial wave) of the keep and there were no Yaks in sight…

Then I stopped wondering why players kept insisting that Yak sold out to TC and agreed to help them take SMC. After that, I knew it was true.

Oh boo frickin’ hoo, take a look at the screenshot one of your server mates posted of the map and see who TC has been focusing for the past 2 hours.

Oh, and when you guys were overpowering us during your asian prime time and pressuring all our towers? Yaks wanted in on the fun and we had to deal with both.

Don’t spoil a great matchup with your whining, nobody wants to see it. I’m sure your server doesn’t either, because they’ve been fighting their hearts out on the battlegrounds, not the forums.

Outmanned and hanging on, the TC off-peak crew

Edit: 2 minutes after time of screenshot, FA 50+3 golem vs less than 10 of us in Stonemist =( I hate playing on this timeslot lol

FormulaX.8901:

FA has a significant amount of newbile WvWers, and when there’s leadership present, we seem to take points on the map very well, but when there’s not a commander… it’s a gaggle of newbies calling everyone somewhere every time they see more than 2 TC or Yak

As someone who’s been on TC since the start of the weekly matches…trust me, it’s the same over here :P Unlike FA who have several very big and organized guilds however, our forces are almost always militia, all the time (as I’m sure you can observe from the great mix of guilds in any TC army). Sometimes we have strong leaders and achieve a level of coordination that almost rivals any big guild group…and sometimes we run around like headless chickens and lose everything we have It’s like the TC identity, the way we run our pugs.

Soloc.8693:

ykyk.2740:

FA’s oceanic/Asian prime time is every bit as scary as CDs, TC is nearly wiped off the map entirely at this point.

And I thought we could finally take a break from CD going +500 everyday during this time slot =(

This made my day

PRO has been working incredibly hard to increase our ranks with night time players, and though we do have several Oceanics in our guild, we’re actually for a great part a bunch of awesome NA peeps that are pulling several all-nighters to make a stand and slowly regain what’s lost earlier in the night. I remember playing WvW less than a month ago and our server always complaining about having a non-existant Oceanic crew. We’ve worked so hard, and in coordination with some other awesome guilds such as PTX to improve in this. So to hear above comment from another server is just about the biggest compliment we can get.

This is definitely my favorite match til date. TC can sure bring some numbers to the game. I honestly have no idea who’s gonna win this one. Even YB still has a good chance if they can manage to make the right moves at the right time. See ya on the battlefield!

Your guys really want the win – and it shows. This is nothing like the FA we faced a few weeks back who gave up nearly immediately, and the best thing is it’s basically the same few guilds rather than any serious bandwagoning (I see I think just 1 big new guild? Asgards or something. And some JPN?). Other than that oceanic dead zone where <insert blue server here> rolls us over 9000 to 10, there’s basically never a dull moment in the past few tier 3 matchups. I just feel bad for the one server out of TC/FA/YB/CD who has to play in tier 4 every week, they’re missing out!

Edit: I’ll be kitten interested in a CD/FA matchup just to see the battle of the oceanic zergs. We’ll probably be +0 every night if such a matchup arises, but such is life on the coast

Here you go. About 2 hours back TC was at +45 lol.

FA’s oceanic/Asian prime time is every bit as scary as CDs, TC is nearly wiped off the map entirely at this point.

And I thought we could finally take a break from CD going +500 everyday during this time slot =(

Score update as we move into TC’s weakest time slot.

Third week in a row that tier 3 has been highly competitive – let’s keep it exciting through the week.

The balance of tier 3…?

These 2v1 whines just get on everybody’s nerves…

xtorma.1283:

Alodar.5794:

SoS should move over to Tarnished Coast!

We’ve had some great battles against you guys and when it’s getting late for us and you guys are starting to come on and the numbers are even there have been some great battles.

If you just moved over to Tarnished Coast, we’d be WAAAAYYY up there in the standings.

Madember (In game)
The Shadow Legion

SoS is already in tier 1, why do they need you?

The post you quoted was made a MONTH ago. That was not long after TC beat SoS 1.0, before they got the massive transfers that made them tier 1. Context and reading, please.

TheFreshBrew.1958:

Come on CD, even with numbers you set a ballista in front of the spawn? I’m kinda hoping Anet puts us up against a server with some class this Friday evening.

Give them a break, I don’t think they’ve won in weeks. And there’s no need to generalize an entire server based on the actions of a few.

I’m guessing they honestly do not give a hoot what others think of them. From what I can see those who do quickly leave this amazing organization. There really isn’t a point calling RUIN out. They gotta do what they gotta do. Hint – it’s in the name!

If you are talking about NA primetime, CD has fairly weak presence during that period (weakest among the tier 3 servers). They have overwhelming numbers during Asian primetime (NA early morning) but only one guild that really shows some semblance of tactics (EsF), the rest just bring lots and lots of bodies. Their asian zerg has a very casual feel about how they do things.

Visiroth.5914:

Ralphy.5304:

Soon other MMO’s will be attempting this type of PvP so Arena Net really need to get going. Just check Cyrodiil in Elder Scrolls Online (Jesse Cox video), the WvW map is over 15x larger and actually a world with quests and event chains going on in it!

I guess we’ll have to see how this actually turns out. But with the complaints toward jumping puzzles in WvW maps, I’m not sure how stuffing more PVE into this type of map will work.

ykyk.2740:

The ladder has been fairly stabilized over at the NA side

It’s only stable at the upper echelons. ET and HoD have both been dropping a tier every single week. And this week in T3, a server that moved up from T4 is winning.

ET and HoD are odd factors due to how the servers essentially emptied themselves. Their previous rating was so inflated it’ll take 2 months for them to reach tier 8, where they belong.

As for T3, it’s only one day into the match. Not to mention it’s event weekend and TC relies on pugs rather than big organized WvW-centric guilds, so an early deficit was to be expected. And the match is still competitive in either case, certainly moreso than what seems to be happening in nearly every tier in EU this week.

This has indeed been terrible.

This is just silly, BOTH paths were bugged, you fix one (or fail to, as it seems) and DISABLE the other? Now I STILL can’t access either.

What a terribly planned event.

The ladder has been fairly stabilized over at the NA side, the top few tiers have become fairly competitive (there are favorites of course, but never blowouts and always something to fight for). The EU ladder’s plight is largely due to RUIN, nothing you guys can do with the transfers in place except wait for nature to take its course and for Blacktide to dissolve the way HoD did.

zastari.1730:

Haven’t had a chance to get on yet. How zergy is CD?

TC here coming off 3 matches against CD. CD tend to be relatively undermanned during NA prime time but overwhelming during Asian prime time, prepare for very weird point-swings.

For all the bitterness and “history” between the current 3 or 4 tier-3 level servers (FA, TC, YB, and CD unless they continue to implode), the matches have been shaping up to be very enjoyable and the rivalries are interesting. Here’s hoping that no matter what happens to the score during the next couple days that the thread won’t turn toxic and be locked like so many threads before >_>

FA 12,194 +305
TC 11,622 +195
YB 10,850 +195

Event starts at 4am over here, I stayed up for this =(

And I main a ranger =(

Faith can only take me so far…

Patience, please. They’re doing it in steps.

My first character and the one I spent the most time on is a Ranger. I have 3 other level 80 alts, and I’m as disappointed as the rest of you. But there’s no reason for this outrage – I still have faith that there’s more in store for us. It doesn’t make sense for them to intentionally aggravate one demographic of players this badly unless they want the game to die.

Xavi.6591:

Also epic fight last night in EB at Stonemist between CT and Yak’s. CT held Stonemist and we (Yaks) had 8 Trebs set up taking a corner wall down. The problem was, once the wall was down we still couldn’t get by because there was a staircase behind the wall that wouldn’t disappear and was blocking our entry. After bashing our heads against that for a bit, we treb’d a second wall and took that down and finally got past the outer wall. Once past the inner wall, CT had great defense in the Lord’s room, using many many arrow carts to delay our rushes. Yak’s finally got in and took over Stonemist but this whole assault took about 2 hours to complete.

Good times CT.

Yes, the troll stairs. Ran into that the last time we were red, maybe a month back. Not a very happy moment when the eager zerg runs into the ruins of the wall and jump feebly while the defenders stand by and snicker.

It’s just doubly funny when it’s the losing server, that’s all. If the dominating server is doing it, I’ll say they’ve earned it to an extent. It’s part of completing the shutout and part of dominating the map. The losing server who complains about having no presence and its enemies zerging all over? It’s kind of like this little kid nobody likes retreating to his little corner and staking a claim and feeling good about it. I don’t know how to put it from our perspective when we are dominating CD on eb and people report massive CD presence griefing the puzzles…amusement? Sympathy?

Oh, and triply funny when they then have the gall to pop on the forums with the “you mad?” card. Someone tell them that’s not the card you play in last place talking to first. I don’t think we’ve ever faced a server that habitually and maliciously camps the puzzle this badly, so this is new territory to us. You experienced tier 2 players at CD will have to forgive us greenhorns for not being used to this…perhaps tier 4 could use the same lesson in due time.

rhyein.6172:

Titan.3472:

Hello,

Today on wvw, CD borderland.
Loosing fully upgraded garison in 4minutes on a TC golems of 4 alpha and 2 omega+zerg.
TC zerg +golem taken out at WH 5minutes later.
CD retaking garison in 5minutes with rams.
Then restart update of wvw….
Everything started after the update. Looked too quiet… Then suddenly a TC zerg run across our maps from camps to camps.
WH taken by TC.
CD trying to get it back, rams taken out by TC, then CD build balista X3 + cata.
While our garison is under siege at water gate from 30 TC + golem. BUT we built just after reconnexion 12 carts up the walls :p. They took both gates down in 2minutes and died lord room in 30seconds… Tyvm for your visit TC (i saw [MF] tag ^^ may be some others were there too but what an epik fail we enjoyed our badges.) Btw I guess your Commander know what tactic can do and that mindless zerging is not always working, I understand you left but I have to thank you to let me be able to make such great moves to counter you.
I loved the wvw fights and even if we didnt win I can swear my followers loved our times fighting ^^.

Thx TC and YB for the fun week, good fights !

Well, it was good fights and definitely fun, but your recount stopped being accurate after “CD retakes garrison in 5 minutes with rams”.

You missed:

CD loses Hill keep and Lake tower while they were taking back Garrison.
CD mass wipes in lord’s room of Bay.
CD attacks Bay gate again while their water gate gets taken down by 4 people with 1 ram.
CD withdraws from Bay and loses garrison again 10 minutes after taking it to the TC reinforcements from Bay.
CD loses WH because the gate was only repaired to 20% after the golem assault.

Then the reset happened. I don’t know what happened after that because I left the map.

Don’t bother, all he does is chest thump on the forums about how his guild destroys everyone they face and thanks us for the badges. Going by his picture you’ll swear CD were all god-like chosen warriors while the other servers are herds of mindless sheep spewing badges as they die.

Guys, read the OP. It’s not whining about the JP. It’s about people who waste siege cap and grief their server by making rams (which are 100%, completely and utterly meaningless in the JP) there.

Nethril.7413:

On my thief, I utilized my #5 bow ability to teleport to the gate of a keep over the weekend (once). This placed me partially in the gate. This didn’t immediately lead to anything fruitful, in fact I was now frozen in place and dying quickly to arrow carts. Fortunately, my group was able to bring me back to life, and to my excitement I was no longer stuck in place – in fact, I walked into the keep through the still closed door……………..

I have never attempted this again because I do not condone or enjoy exploiting, however I say this because the first thought people always have when something happens is that they’re “hacking”. In many cases, it probably is, but I am willing to bet others have been as surprised as I was when something similar happened to them.

The question is, what did he do once in? I myself quickly died and went to WP. If he uses this to portal his team in, then that is cheap. If he did not, then chalk it up to a potential accident and everyone move on with their lives and enjoy the close battles that TC, Yaks, and CD are having!

Agreed. It was mentioned that the Mesmer fought inside the tower before dying – never put a portal or anything. That indeed sounds like an accident – I’ll be skeptical if a portal went up immediately but nothing of the sort happened, or so it seems. In addition, EsF has been a respectable opponent with a lot of organization so I won’t be so fast in pointing the abuse accusation at them.

It’s the CD prime time overlapping with TC’s down time. I’m sure CD doesn’t need to be reminded, but over the past weeks this is the time where they routinely go +500 against hopelessly outnumbered opponents. It’s just the nature of our servers’ coverage patterns. It’s just that we don’t scurry to the forums to whine about mindless zergs when we lose our entire map, we just wait to take it back.

Every server has chill folk and bad apples, just feel happy that you ran into the chill folks during your time there. From my time playing there are quite a few TC getting increasingly frustrated with the same few CD guilds going to great lengths camping the eb jump puzzle, so don’t expect the same treatment all the time. It only takes one side to start something to destroy such a fragile peace

Ahorisu.2703:

really.. you are telling me that both servers left CD alone on their home BL and hunt each other down and letting CD obtain presence in their home BL. Really?
How lovable we must be for letting them showering us with such honor!
orly we all know TC love to make deals with opposing servers
ain’t the first time they been caught doing that and you are telling me that CD with smaller numbers are able to maintain presence in all BL.
Thanks for the acknowledgement that CD is able to do that and withstand pressure better than other servers who just upped and leave.
i’ll stop over here and let you guys carry on writing texts stating how good you guys are, how we are just sore losers etc.carry on writing words that couldn’t paint anything better than a picture does.
we will just carry on fighting our way.
cheers!

Clearly your way of fighting is to be sore on the forums.

The thread had such nice vibes too. Somehow we now “love to make deals with opposing servers”! Oh the fun of it all. Anything to get away from the fact that you lose, huh.

Thank you for bringing the thread back on track. I’m an Asian playing on CD’s prime time in TC, and CD has made it very difficult for us this past few weeks during this time slot. It was not uncommon for the Asian zerg to go +500 for a period of 4 to 5 hours in TC’s “dead zone”. Similarly, Yak’s Bend have shown incredible resilience and great presence when they do bring the numbers, definitely befitting a server in the tier 3 bracket. However, tonight marks the first night ever where CD could not even get to the top of ppt during their prime time – in fact they are sitting bottom now which is usually when they go +500. I hope this doesn’t mean they have given up because the 3-ways have been very exciting, regardless of what the score board looks like.

EDIT: This just in, TC is outmanned in EBG while holding the majority of the map. What is this I don’t even

That’s all you got huh. That’s ok, we’re done here back to the match!

Mauvelence.6870:

Oh you guys misinterpret me, I am not bitter at all, I am actually enjoying the fact that TC is so threatened by CD that they will not fight us unless they outnumber us by alot. It is laughable that TC thinks they can compete on tier 2 level at the condition they are in. Brawn over brains does not always win the game, just a wise tip. And regarding golems?? The only golem sacrifices I have heard or seen was TC sacrificing multiple golems to our oil at our tower in CD bl not once but twice?? like really?? lol but that is ok keep coming back those loot bags are yummy!
I am looking forward to being able to enjoy the new patch next week. Tier 4 is a nice place for us for what we have left for NA primetime population. Our server had more than a few wvw guilds transfer out for the winning servers and I hope they are enjoying their 4-5 hr que times, I remember those and it was not fun. We are left with more PVE centered people transfering in than PVP centered folk and that is ok. I know the oceanic crew probably thinks the NA prime time does nothing but we are constantly scratching and clawing to gain any ground we can so the oceanic crew can have fun in EB which is their favorite place to play. I hope we get more PVP guilds in for NA primetime but being our server is full that is not gonna happen. We have make due with what we have and what we can and have fun with it which we do. We are never afraid of a challenge. I do understand everyone wants to do what they can to get ahead. Just be sure you know what you are getting yourself in for, always look before you leap.

I just hope the rest of your server is not as sore as you are. When your server is not strong enough to compete, being gracious in defeat and making the best of what you can is what a server with class does. None of us said what you are saying when Blackgate and SoR resoundingly destroyed us, because we know how silly it looks when the losers shoot off their mouths.

We don’t mock your server’s ridiculous Asian/Oceanic zerg that routinely goes +400 to +500 every night against our miniscule night population – we fight to make up for it in our prime time and try our hardest to defend when outnumbered. Your server seems to be content camping the jumping puzzles while waiting for the Asians to take over. That’s the difference.

Mauvelence.6870:

All I have to say to our opponents this week:
Yak’s Bend- Be careful who you accept as bed partners in this war, dont sleep with your back to TC as you just might find a knife in it in the morning. Oh and have fun next week with their 50-70 man zergs on your lands.
TC- You guys are only effective because you outnumber everyone 5 to 1, but in combat you are weak and even weaker in the seige department. You should be thankful CD is teaching you something in that department cause when you get into tier 2 you will get spanked hard for having bad seige tactics.
I for one am looking forward to the easymode of tier 4. I am thankful we wont have to deal with Tarnished Zerg next week. Have fun with that Yaks and FA.
:D

Do we REALLY need this kind of bitterness and butthurt so quickly into the 2nd thread? In the same post you look forward to doing what you blast us for doing to weaker servers. Huh?

You guys have been losing a lot no doubt, but it’s not hard to keep some dignity in defeat.

Tarnished Coast is a very stable, consistently strong (T3 and below) server known to never give up and having a uniquely mature and easygoing population due to being the unofficial RP server. If you take a look around previous threads here, pretty much people tend to only have nice things to say about the server whether they are on it or fighting against it. I’ll give TC a solid recommendation.