Guild Wars 2

its a spiral… how can you possibly get lost on a spiral?? pick a wall… follow it up…

Kraggy.4169:

SkyShroud.2865:

Kraggy.4169:

SkyShroud.2865:

lol, another person trying to find people to blame for failed meta
farmville is a more suitable game for ur kind

You’d do well in WOW’s raiding circles, your elitism would fit in perfectly.

if you can call this elitism, then what about people who trying to blame others for failing something? true elitism are people like yourself who support blaming others for failing something.

first is spider farm, now is flax. next, are your kind gonna blame the people who doing map completions/explorations, hero points, masteries and other stuffs for your meta failing? u know this is a MMO, if you do not have rooms to tolerate other people doing something else in a openworld then you should not play mmo.

LOL.

Okay.

I would just point out, in spite of your fatuous comments, that this is a problem only because of Anet’s meta design that scales the event based on the number of people in the zone!

If 10 want to do the meta and 100 want to AFK for the raid the 10 suffer from the 100’s existence in the zone.

But don’t you worry about that, you carry on with your asinine comments.

But thats the Rub here… its actually the opposite of what you say… typically 40-90 want to do the meta, and 10 are afk… Flax farming doesnt tie up but maybe 6-10 at the most during peak hours raiders may take up another 5-20 depending on peak time or not. AT MOST 30 are tied away from the meta where 200 is capable. If you cant do the Meta with 170 people you might as well forget ever doing it TBH.

yep… for the life of me I dont understand why someone would think nerfing something someone else was doing would force them to participate in their content is beyond me… Now what am I gonna do? definitely wont be the Meta your trying to force me to do, thats for sure… maybe ill run a bunch of adventures and HP trains thru your map now…Or I’ll just be hangin out over here waiting for my next raid group to invite me. BTW i wear all blue gear with runes of the earth and water sigils… on my necro…. well build…. non elite spec.

Ohoni.6057:

So you would rather kill spiders for an hour than do the Dragon Stand Events?

SNIP…

Now Spider Farming is not as fun, minute to minute, as Dragon Stand can be, but the difference is not that huge, actually.

SNIP…

I agree… I would even go so far as to say what is the difference between killing thousands of mob on the same 3 paths in DS vs killing thousands of mobs in VB(spider runs)… Honestly, there really is no difference, its all a long grind designed to steal time away from you.

If you crash or get DC’d during a DS run, then game over, you lost all your time, loot AND xp… If you disconnect during a spider run… boom, nothin happens… you already got your xp and loot, no time is lost. Dont even bring fun factor into it, as there is no difference between grinding mobs in DS vs grinding mobs in VB… at the end of the day, your butt is still grinding mobs.

This game is supposed to be a “Play how you like” type game, by ANETS own mouth. Yet we see nerf after nerf to content, rewards, and playstyles… This is no longer a Play how you like game. It is a “play how we tell you to or we nerf it” type game. I dont say that in a rude way, its just exactly what its become now.

op just assured his map will be empty for sure now… nerfing what 4-5 players a map was doing was a joke… it isnt going to add to the people doing the meta, they will instead just go to the other 3 maps and do it there instead… Im glad I got all my xp in before this crap happened. VB is gonna be soooo empty now. So without further adieu… I am gone from VB for the foreseeable future! Have fun in your empty map!!

I’ve been using the star to reduce inventory, and deleting everything I get from bags everyday and I still have a mule with 15 stacks of them in her inventory… I’m typically deleting 100-150 every couple hours of farming metas. still plenty of ways to get these ingame, just gotta research where on google is all. The wiki also explains where these can be obtained.

gotta love being railroaded into a specific way of playing… “I want to do meta, therefore everyone else has to as well! So help me god if they dont….. NERF THEM!!!!!!!!!! Cuz my playstyle = the only one thats important!!!”

/sarcasmoff

Use your LFG tool to start your meta map, its what its there for.

TheGrimm.5624:

TheRandomGuy.7246:

Tom Gore.4035:

Maris.3164:

Shylock.4653:

SkyShroud.2865:

Will it fix all the gameplay bugs that are complained vastly by the players or it will just only contain raid content?

After enjoying Guild Missions in the last few weeks.
My best guess is, it will mostly contain raid content, include a few bug fixes and introduce a lot of new bugs.

So optimistic^^ But yeah, the guild missions have been… Interesting. A whole new level of challenging content when trying to debug the missions to get rewards.

And a challenge to patience waiting for Rush to finish before you’ll get your rewards. Nothing like sitting on your kitten for 15+ minutes.

At least you could sit on your kitten. Half of my guild had to run in circles at the last checkpoint. Our rush should have failed but instead it finished and everyone got their chest. Even people that did not participate.

Agree, been trying to figure out if there is a pattern to the guild mission issues, be it the rush chests and the PVP missions rewarding even when failing. At least the not having people in the team and winning issue made since once that was determined. You know, didn’t test to see if the people not getting the reward for the rushes were not linked into any defined teams, shouldn’t be related since teams should be just needed for PvP, but just thought of that one. Will need to check that pattern tonight.

The only info I can provide is, on rush, the shar feature doesnt work. You used to be able to activate your guild rush mission after another larger guild had theirs activated, and if you were able to successfully run the rush to the end, you would get guild credit for it. It seems now you have to wait and activate them seperately as only the current active guild mission for the map, receives completion credit(but other guilds people going thru the Rush while your is active still counts towards your 15 needed to complete the rush). Hope that helps you guys.

I did notice on our last run, selfishness has begun to set in reguarding it. We activated ours, and another larger guild just sat and watched, didnt bother to help clear or run anways. we were still successful as we had enough members to complete it solo, but it used to be that all people in the area would generally run people thru cuz it counted for their mission in the past… Now that its seperate, I guess people just want to sit and do nothing for 15 minutes instead of being active and helpful.

Gnat.9405:

800 gems you mean.

Fixed that for ya hehehehe.

Serious Thought.5394:

Bump in hope of response+ I mathed this one specifically.

2 clicks per item, 4 items total, and 1 click for forge. 9 clicks. 125 times. 1125 clicks. As opposed to just the 9 clicks because its a Mystic Forge Recipe. Any idea why this isn’t a thing? Any idea why it may take over 10 minutes for them to copy and paste the code from the crafting table to this?

Yes, its quite simple really, crafting gives a garunteed result, using the forge is an RNG process for more then 50% of its items used. To clarify, there are a few set recipes for the forge to recognize, but there are alot more that grant a reward in the form of RNG loot. The craft code simply wont know how to handle the 2 results individually, therefore a new code would still have to be made to recognize the difference between the 2 and handle them seperately. It isnt as simple as just copy paste.

Also, there would be times you wouldnt want to use all the mats in your inventory. Therefore you would want something to allow you to choose how many times to try for an item, thus complicating the code even more.

Welcome to the new ANet business model… legalized gambling via video game interface. Expect all new content to be pushing you into ESL.

Tink, it is only one piece of armor… no one needs to complete anything, it says the same on ALL achievement boxes that offer the ascended armor boxes as rewards. I know its stupid cuz the semantics lend itself easily towards it meaning a full set, but it is one piece of armor your choice. Besides, Anet would be a fool for offering a full set as a reward (current value in mats is 300-400 gold), as it would only serve to fully circumvent the entire need for ascended armor crafting to begin with for one single achievement obtained…

I dont understand that logic… we have craft scribe in the GH, we have a guild bank, all they would need to do is add a BLTC merchant and a banker…. make the scribe crafting area a universal one and its all done.

you do, you get a chest for each tier obtained.

for me the tough part is the coarse sand… trying to find a better place then drytop to get the silly sand etc… whats a good place other then that?

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CorrynnStarr.7942:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CorrynnStarr.7942:

personally I like the dwaynas, the shadow, the molten etc etc. But you will see the popular ones being the ones that produce the most special effects or at least well done art-wise. aether is another popular one for its effects. Science was a good one too. We are creatures of vanity, so the ones that stand out the most typically go for the most.

Yah. Those are nice. The molten, I tried so hard to get and didn’t even get one of them.

I only have one of those as well, the GS… i took a hiatus near the beggining of the game and missed out on it and the aether collections. which ones do you like?

CorrynnStarr.7942:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CorrynnStarr.7942:

personally I like the dwaynas, the shadow, the molten etc etc. But you will see the popular ones being the ones that produce the most special effects or at least well done art-wise. aether is another popular one for its effects. Science was a good one too. We are creatures of vanity, so the ones that stand out the most typically go for the most.

Yah. Those are nice. The molten, I tried so hard to get and didn’t even get one of them.

I only have one of those as well, the GS… i took a hiatus near the beggining of the game and missed out on it and the aether collections. which ones do you like?

The Molten longbow and the daggers. I wanted them sooo badly. A friend of mine had tickets to buy them (this was before generic black lion tickets), and didn’t even know what they were for. I had to tell her and take her to the vendor.

I bought the Scientific Hammer, the Crimson Lion Greatsword, the Tempest sword and the Tempest daggers with tickets from key farming.

(And yeah. I think the Glittering are ugly too. Lol. But I know others like them so it’s all subjective)

right, I dont like them either, Ive managed to grab about 3-4 of each of the skins since 2013 tho, minus a few sets I got none in cuz I feltthey were too ugly.

right now the mats are hot due to GH needing tons of them. I think that will taper off sharply after about 8 months tho, most of all GH’s will be maxed by then. Scribe mightsustain it longer, but to early to tell at this point.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CorrynnStarr.7942:

personally I like the dwaynas, the shadow, the molten etc etc. But you will see the popular ones being the ones that produce the most special effects or at least well done art-wise. aether is another popular one for its effects. Science was a good one too. We are creatures of vanity, so the ones that stand out the most typically go for the most.

Yah. Those are nice. The molten, I tried so hard to get and didn’t even get one of them.

I only have one of those as well, the GS… i took a hiatus near the beggining of the game and missed out on it and the aether collections. which ones do you like?

personally I like the dwaynas, the shadow, the molten etc etc. But you will see the popular ones being the ones that produce the most special effects or at least well done art-wise. aether is another popular one for its effects. Science was a good one too. We are creatures of vanity, so the ones that stand out the most typically go for the most.

Behellagh.1468:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CorrynnStarr.7942:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Behellagh.1468:

But that’s been known for years. If you aren’t interested in the non-tickets, chests aren’t for you.

However I did get my 2nd open world key drop since they “improved” the drop rate. Probably got 50 chests in the same period of time.

^

The black lion chests and their contents have literally been known for years. The subject had been on the forums (repeatedly) and the drop rates are easily googled. Either buy, and accept that you’re not likely to get great drops, or farm and accept the same. If you do get something good then you lucked out.

Actually, 5 scraps in 10 chests isn’t bad, if you get it by key running. It’s the buying part that’s problematic. You can usually buy 2 of the newest weapon skins with 180 gold.

Meh… maybe 1 to 1 and a half… most skins start at 100-120 unless its an ugly, unpopular skin set… Look at the TP and see what skins sell for less then 100, then compare how they look. the only caviat to that is ugly skins you cant get anymore, those might top out at 200-300 gold. But looks are subjective so…

Actually, as a key runner I keep tabs on this sort of thing. The newest weapon skins are almost always in the 90 gold range while they are selling for one ticket.

As an example, the newest weapons: Glittering weapons skins

Word.

https://www.gw2tp.com/search?name=glittering+skin&sort=sell_price

Those are pretty kitten ugly skins tho… of course they are low, hence why I said ugly ones are like what you described. But I will concede that sometimes they hit the 90-100 gold range for about a week, then they start steadily rising to the 120 range, then when off the market for 1 ticket, they pop up to 2-300 or higher range.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Giselah.9724:

Alright, so I know it’s a touchy topic for some people, …and it still hasn’t really been addressed

I’ve never earned my gold primarily from any single thing, so the loss of one source or another (or the migration to a new one) doesn’t seem as dramatic to me as it does to the dungeon runners.

I think we need to look for ways to adapt to the new system before we claim that it’s actually harder to make gold now than it was. I think the only thing that is fair to say is that it’s harder to make gold from dungeons.

I feel this is correct… there is a metric kitten ton of gold to be made in the new content and its mats… get on the train before it leaves the station, cuz once its gone… it wont be back

Since when does a rune of earth ever become account bound? I wonder who has investments in this rune….

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Behellagh.1468:

But that’s been known for years. If you aren’t interested in the non-tickets, chests aren’t for you.

However I did get my 2nd open world key drop since they “improved” the drop rate. Probably got 50 chests in the same period of time.

^

The black lion chests and their contents have literally been known for years. The subject had been on the forums (repeatedly) and the drop rates are easily googled. Either buy, and accept that you’re not likely to get great drops, or farm and accept the same. If you do get something good then you lucked out.

Actually, 5 scraps in 10 chests isn’t bad, if you get it by key running. It’s the buying part that’s problematic. You can usually buy 2 of the newest weapon skins with 180 gold.

Meh… maybe 1 to 1 and a half… most skins start at 100-120 unless its an ugly, unpopular skin set… Look at the TP and see what skins sell for less then 100, then compare how they look. the only caviat to that is ugly skins you cant get anymore, those might top out at 200-300 gold. But looks are subjective so…

DrAntagonist.8623:

CorrynnStarr.7942:

I used to buy keys waaay back in the day, but I stopped after my first few purchases never broke anywhere close to even with anything of any value… The only attractive thing they have going forthe boxes is the weapons scraps. But even that can be offset by grinding out a few hundred gold and buying what you want, vs buying the same amount of gems to buy keys..so….

185 gold can buy a skin, or you can open chests and get like half of a ticket.

Yep, that was my point.

depending on the time investment to learn and fine tune down into speed runs, this will not be anything CLOSE to comparable to ANY train we currently have… I think Anet thinks we are suckers….

I used to buy keys waaay back in the day, but I stopped after my first few purchases never broke anywhere close to even with anything of any value… The only attractive thing they have going forthe boxes is the weapons scraps. But even that can be offset by grinding out a few hundred gold and buying what you want, vs buying the same amount of gems to buy keys..so….

yea.. .CoD BO3 is out, Fallout 4 released, StarWars Battlefront commin out in 4 days, plus a host of new tv series all this week… gw2 might take a bit of a hit…

look for fog of war along the edges of the maps, usually its in those areas you might not think are part of the map but actually are that get ya.

CONVEINIENCE is the biggest reason why… I own several sets of tools and salvage tools as well. I dont like wasting 5 minutes of my time swapping things on 20+ toons, then forgetting which one has them in the end and having to dig thru all my toons to find a specific tool. So I buy one copper fed salvage tool and a set of mining tools for each new toon I make.

watchwork portal device…

certain parts of oolas lab will send you back to earth for a long fall as well.

path 4 of arah up on the ships let you fall a long ways too.

aetherblade jump puzzle goggle dive is another

Jump off the floating ship in gendaren fields

just a few ideas there.

Ive mained a guardian for years now. Ive seen the perma stealth thief, the insta kill engi and a number of other issues that have plagued this game. DH is nothing like them… yea DH traps can lay a hurtin on ya pretty quick if you dont know how to dodge or break CC’s, but as another poster said… once the traps are done, so is the build. The point of the traps is they are supposed to be a surprise attack.A smart guardian will lay traps at specific points where he knows people wont be expecting them, then lay in wait to ambush them when the traps are sprung. Its just a different playstyle to get used to is all, but like everything else, it has counters and weaknesses…traps cant be moved, so they rely on players to walk thru them so its a very situational damage, Also DH bow is pretty weak compared to the type of melee or even scepter damage that can be generated…

I use an Astro A40. Been the best(but most expensive) headset I have used in my life.

http://www.astrogaming.com/a40

Copestetic.5174:

Would you consider playing HoT, “braindead farming”?

I’ve made probably about 200g just from playing HoT since launch. I’ve taken two characters through the expansion and working on a third. Across all three, I have about 3 stacks of Silk, tons of Elder Wood, about a stack of Ancient Wood, bookoo’s of leather mats, I know for a fact, 3 stacks of Flax, nearly 200 Ectos, etc…etc… and this isn’t figured into the amount of gold I mentioned I’ve made, this stuff’s just sitting in my character’s inventories/bank.

My point being, getting the mats required for Ascended gear seems to be pretty easy. Work on HoT achievements, level them Masteries, run a few of your characters through for the Crystilline Ore, pick-up all the Flax to sell ( still at around 6-7s each ) and sell what you don’t need.

Don’t know, doesn’t seem too hard to me.

for the average person with a job and a life, thats a feat to accomplish bud… for someone spending 16+ hours a day that would be do-able. There is a huge difference between the 2. casuals and even the semi hardcore would have a tough time getting what you just posted… which i’m beggining to doubt you actually acquired that much in such a short time(200 gold AND all them stacks of silk/ecto’s/flax, seems unlikely unless as i said before… you spent ungodly hours doing that stuff).

OP is salty over not being able to get his t4 box… no one farms that place over 4-6 people as things die to quick to make having a bunch of people zerg it. As for LFG exploding over it, that too is just leftover saltiness for not having a t4 run go as planned. in open world lfg tool, you see a metric crap ton of meta adverts. Spider runs make up maybe 2-3 of those posts depending on how long groups last… and if you are in a good group, it will be an hour or 3 before your group typically falls apart.

Lord Trejgon.2809:

CorrynnStarr.7942:

Even during the cleansing ritual, there was no defending him… everything aggros the player and you end up just killing things yourself anyways(which is my point, he doesnt do anything beneficial for you or your party). But to be honest, my comment was meant for a more broad sense of the situation(as in the ENTIRE time he features in YOUR storyline).

Next fact… “his mission was done when orr was cleansed…” Why is he the pact commander if he is gonna stop leading the pact when his personal mission was done? No general in history ever told his subordinates he wasnt going to finish the fight all the way through to the end!! This makes no sense to me logically, why would he stop fighting before the end?

hey guy!
I’ve found someone who skipped all dialogues in storyline thinking he knows what happened///

1. from the very begginning its said that Trehearn’s Wild Hunt was to cleanse the Orr of dragon corruption – as for example Caithes was to kill Zhaitan

2. he becomes pact commander only because PC suggests so as he was not member of any order “yet respected by them all”

3. cleansing of Orr during Source of Orr personal instance – of course he is not “helpfull” to the fight because if you haven’t noticed (yeah you did not) he was performing cleansing rituals while it was up to you to keep enemies busy
suuuure every scholar out there can in same very moment do some bashing and perform complicated magical rituals….

4. he did not backed up “jus tbefore the end” he finished his wyld hunt, he was drained out of energy after ritual – so he entrusted leading last atack against a dragon to his most trusted commander – tell me – if you’d just finished performing very difficult and energy draining magical ritual – would it be so logical for you to try to lead atack in exhausted state, or loose invasion momentum by waiting for you to come back to the state of being able to command or maybe you’d have chosen your best warrior to lead your armies into the last atack in the moment as you are regaining your strenght?

yet another person making assumptions about me… I do know the story Guy!

here goes:

1. from the very beggining trehearne replaced a dear NPC character to me, That had just died, my mentor and I was thrust into HIS story of a wyld hunt, which i deduced from the conversation from the pale tree the first time we met…

2. I had no choice in naming him as the pact commander (and I surely wouldnt have given an ACTUAL choice about it) It was hardscripted for me to do so thus taking away any choices I had in the matter entirely.

3. you are partially right, I didnt notice him doing anything because I was too busy killing things that were attacking me… (even if its scripted for him to do the cleansing, it is still another instance in which he provides no physical help in the fight at hand. had Anet simply said kill the mobs or protect him from the mobs is irrelevant. he still did nothing in the fight, and even in previous instances his “fighting” role was more like me running back and forth either rezzing him or unsticking him from the surrounding twigs he couldnt seem to walk over.) Also I think mesmers necros and eles can perform things and fight as well.. scholar has nothing to do with it.

4. i understand your view here, but my comment on that was a rebuttal of the other guys statement that made it look like he was only there to cleanse orr, and that was as far as he was gonna go with it.

hope the other t6 mats tank too… i might make another legendary.

so the 2 sides are thus:

side 1: farm this series of events(which just make you kill mobs over and over again) that give no xp per mob, to obtain the xp from the event at the end+tiny amount of reward loot.

Side 2: Farm this particular set of mobs over and over ,getting xp and loot per kill that adds up to the same or better amount…

Soooooooo…. you both are farming mobs, just under a different title and you hate each other because of it… sounds rational. Glad we cleared that up…

nekretaal.6485:

snip…

But what about Tequatl, TT Wurm and WvW? Those places are probably still reliable for ascended drops.

HAHAHAHA good one! That was funny hehehehe!

Dante.1763:

CorrynnStarr.7942:

“Trahearne: Here, at the end, I am glad that it’s just you and me. We will cleanse Orr together—as we were meant to do.”

but funny how the Player ends up doing this solo… trehearne and his cronies do nothing to help that fight other then hemhaw around and let the player make all the decisions…

I do remember him doing the cleansing ritual while you defend him, if thats nothing then so be it, i call that doing his job.

And after that missions he basically tells you that his mission is done, orr has been cleansed thanks to your help, its up to you to kill Zhaitan.

Also, stay on topic, this is a topic for those of us who wanted to give a send off to Traehearne, not bash him.

95% of the responses in this thread are off topic… including yours, you should head your own advice. If you dont like what i said, fine rebutt with your opinion and leave it at that. Or just ignore it and put your praises down into words and move on.

Even during the cleansing ritual, there was no defending him… everything aggros the player and you end up just killing things yourself anyways(which is my point, he doesnt do anything beneficial for you or your party). But to be honest, my comment was meant for a more broad sense of the situation(as in the ENTIRE time he features in YOUR storyline).

Next fact… “his mission was done when orr was cleansed…” Why is he the pact commander if he is gonna stop leading the pact when his personal mission was done? No general in history ever told his subordinates he wasnt going to finish the fight all the way through to the end!! This makes no sense to me logically, why would he stop fighting before the end?

“Trahearne: Here, at the end, I am glad that it’s just you and me. We will cleanse Orr together—as we were meant to do.”

but funny how the Player ends up doing this solo… trehearne and his cronies do nothing to help that fight other then hemhaw around and let the player make all the decisions…

Maikky.8526:

CorrynnStarr.7942:

Speak with your playing time people… when their numbers reflect no one doing fractals, there statement of “we want fractals to be endgame for PVE” will be a joke and everyone will know it. Just dont do fractals till they relent and fix it. Speak with your time…

Not really, don’t do fractals that’s cool with ANet, you’ll do Raids but wait maybe you’ll need Ascended and how do you get that without forking over a limb ? Oh right, pre-hot Fractals .

They are making Raids the new Shiny new content while not adding any new fractals and making them a lot less fun for a reason .

you can get ascended without having to do fractals… yes its a bit costly, but so was the first sets everyone ever made unless they held out and only looted their pieces…which often times didnt match in runes and set stats… It has also been said that the new raids can be done with exotic, it would just be harder to do at the latter raids without ascended. Thus giving you time to loot pieces along the way… or craft them….

and then what happens when you repeat the shorthand 3 times….

Raap.9065:

It was the only well developed NPC character in the entire game, and it felt like they killed him off because a certain crowd didn’t like him.

GW2 already lacks NPC character depth, it needed more story and character development, not less.

I wouldnt call over 50% of an entire player base “A certain crowd”. You say that in the tone of trying to delegitamize their feelings as a minority, when in fact the opposite is true. Whether or not it is coincidental to how they planned the story out is debatable.. but the fact that alot of people hated him, is not. Also, he was not the only character in the game to be developed. All 3 of the orders had a mentor that was well loved and didnt deserve to die by your standards. all of destinys edge has a good developement compared to trahearne.

Speak with your playing time people… when their numbers reflect no one doing fractals, there statement of “we want fractals to be endgame for PVE” will be a joke and everyone will know it. Just dont do fractals till they relent and fix it. Speak with your time…

The current spam system does a repetitive check… so if you link more then 3 things in a row, you get surpressed… even linking waypoints or POIs that people need to go to does this. anything repeated more then 3 times within 5 minutes gets this treatment. It makes it hard to organize mapwide events when you cant speak to the public to issue quick, general orders or locations… It should be changed.

maybe this is a dumb question, but why are the parts of ascended gear account bound, but the final version sellable? doesnt that negate the reason for making them account bound to begin with? Just seems kittened is all.

Anet has cleared it and wont be banning anyone for it. they have stated"how fast you earn them is up to you" specifically for this situation.

something else to consider… alot of times I have guild chat on and am involved in a conversation there. Alot of times I never see the map chat… Its not that I hate the community, or have no interest in helping, but I am a member of an active guild that I love to play with. Therefore I spend alot of time talking there instead of map chat. WvW kinda forces you into the map chat area as you all need to communicate well in order to take objectives etc… Its not that people are rude or mean, the game type just fits one style better than the other per say.

geez… 20+gig download to use 64bit client… glad I’m on a 70meg conn… good luck all you 5 gig users!