Guild Wars 2

Isn’t it better DPS-wise now to have Jalis or Mallyx than Shiro? (no mesmer)

This is just pure bs… All raid bosses have adds to eat the bolts, great, using sword 3 is suicide more often than not. So kitten autoatks, yeah they really did “we want rev to use skills for dps not autoatks”.

Take it all the way to finish: allies condis→boons, enemies boons→condis

What’s the point of learning strategies on easy mode, when then you have to re-learn them anyway to complete hard mode. There is no difference in wiping on hard mode and learning that straight.

Also, the drops there are hardly any, I got nothing but 2 champ bags and 1g from first boss kill. And few of the legendary crafting mats from chests… not like the legs themselves are dropping, nor ascended gear (1 guy from 10 was lucky to get box).

There is no point in normal mode, apart from lolling around in the instance.

There are many posts blabbering about raids not being accessible to majority of the players… wtf?
You don’t need full ascended kit, just group of 10 ppl… are the mechanics of the fight too hard? Maybe you are too bad then? Just because you are not capable of learning the mechanics and succeeding, the content is not accessible?

The raids are hard and that’s good thing, but they are certainly accessible to everybody.

Problem is Mallyx was initially designed to self-inflict and copy conditions, but was last minute changed to the kitten version we have now :-(

Yeah, I was like “let’s have gyro for sneaking around to noxious pods”, after few meters I was like “this is not gonna cook”…
I tought maybe the swiftness is making me too fast for it, but nah. It’s utterly unusable without standing still.

Tbh they should just make it so it turns you into mobile invis field and the gyro is there just as target.

Preferably raiding during workday eve’s, semi-hardcore (aka ppl pulling their weight, no lollers).
I have zerk rev (asc weapons), viper engi (condi, exotic with few asc trinkets).

Captain? SD and 10 charracters?

Chrono.6928:

thanks for this thread and all the replies. exactly what i needed.

One question: anyone try celestial? Just curious b/c of the whole switching roles thing and it seems to work on eles which is a similar concept.

Question is why? You are tanky enough in full zerk, celestial will just tank your dps.

Acratin.3910:

I’m sorry, but I have to disagree. Though I do use sword a lot, skill 3 is well worth using and increases might drastically. Using the facets properly lets you use those attacks from them while still holding the buffs during that time. Axe can add torment and chill. Mace torments, poisons, burns, and adds might. Sword vulnerability is nice, but you get a short lived 20 stacks from using the might facet.

There is a rotation, definitely.

If you are proccing facets (thus putting them on CD), you are killing your dps.

Scrapper’s line is a bit more defensively oriented (to help survive in melee range), so it’s not very useful for condi.
Gear tends to be Viper’s with Sinister closely behind, but as you said you didn’t have condi class, that probably means you don’t have gear too, so screw Sinister – it’s timegated by charged quartz and that is also needed for new legendaries, thus expensive.

As for build/rotation, there’s only 1 word: BURN. So you’ll see many ppl running tri-kit grenades/bombs/flamethrower and dual pistols.
The days of perfect 40 step rotation are gone because of Alacrity (speeds up recharge of your skills). Just try to keep Blowtorch/Napalm on CD and fill with grenades/bombs.

Condi rev is useless, sadly. Boonripper doesn’t need any special build, you just switch Glint for Mallyx.
What gaspara.4079 posted is proper rotation and Scholar runes are way to go, you are not getting hit by anything until after-split anyway and then you break the bar quickly with Staff 5, no problem staying at full HP.
(maybe it will be harder for other bosses, idk)

Condi clears? Rev has none.
WvW build? Hammer 2.

LucianDK.8615:

Looking for a clarification on the Shiro/Mallyx rotation:
Shiro + Mallyx – Enchanted Daggers -> Impossible Odds -> Sword Auto -> Demon Stance -> Embrace the Darkness -> Facet of Nature -> Sword Auto -> Unrelenting Assault after quickness is over -> Sword Auto -> Assassin Stance -> Impossible Odds -> Sword Auto -> repeat Mallyx and Shiro off cooldown

Whats unclear to me, are you activating and consuming Facet of Nature after using Embrace the Darkness? Given the note of using UA after quickness is over.

And i am curious, is there any legend and trait selection that in particular benefits the Hammer? It seems fairly unsuported compared to sword, mace and axe for Shiro and Mallyx. I like staying at range, so I keep eyeing the hammer. But it feels so slow and underpowered compared to swords buffed by Impossible Odds..

Though if I understood it right, hammer dps lies in CoR spam? Especially if you can stay at range to ensure targets are hit with all impacts.

You never consume the Facet of Nature, it needs to get disabled by running out of energy, so it doesn’t go on CD. You don’t want it on CD, because it’s vital part of draining energy while in Glint (whilst boosting your boons).

Consider hammer as comfy option, it’s dps is nowhere near Sword, but the range can be nice and safe. I tend to hammer more often than not during meta events, as the saurian mobs are particularly annoying.

You mean Cake Kit?
I wonder why devs couldn’t make it simple, cartoony black ball with string, maybe let the attack animation be rolling it to target like bowling ball.
Norn female bombs are lowl, you look like Roadrunner.

That’s why our weapon skills can be so boss, because they are expensive and most of the time slow.

Zerikin.1593:

Most rev’s are running full zerker DPS. You can also tank, not sure what is being used for that but I’d guess a mix of knight and cavalier with maybe some vit thrown in.

It depends what else apart from having boss’ attention you need to do, you can “overtoughness” everyone in party just by the trait which gives toughness per upkeep and don’t change anything, if all you do is kite.
If you need to eat some hits etc., ofc you can knight/soldier/cavalier, at cost of DPS obviously

Why are you running into green circles? You need only 4 ppl go in, rest focuses fully on DPS. Letting your biggest dps classes running around is immense waste of DPS.

… all that while shooting sniper rifle from hip?

If you have trouble staying at 90%, lean more into Hammer and learn when it’s safe to go in… When you have that, try to weave your rotation so you run out of energy in Glint when the safe phase approaches → Shiro → Q → Sword 3 → UA until you run out of energy and then Hammer + Glint and back off

Gaaroth.2567:

I understand it sucks a bit but cmon, it has been done quite some times now, just join some community/organized runs

Oh please, this idea… With current system, you CANNOT organize your try properly. See GW2C has more than enough ppl every Gerent event for TWO maps.
Yet you leave billion of ppl out, because you just cannot pick a map and get your ppl in. Fake taxis everywhere, map full/bottlenecked immediatelly. And this isn’t about getting 20 of your guildies in, it’s about having ~80 ppl fooded and educated.

I don’t mind hard events, but this solely depends on luck if you make the jump to right map. All that for ONE HEAVY piece of armor collection.

Meanwhile you can easily PUG raids…

Yes they are sluggish, because you are operating the heaviest weapon in the game. The damage of the skills makes up for it I believe and I like it :-)

It has to bloody travel 1200 range and you cannot avoid it (not dodge, just move aside)? Not like Revenant can change it’s pathing once it’s fired.
Easy solution: keep moving.

You also have to realize that this is the ONLY dmg skill worth it on Hammer. Autoatk is 1s cast (haha), Drop the Hammer 2s cast (haha), don’t even gonna talk about mist jump. Bottom line it costs energy, so you need to limit it’s spending elsewhere, if you want to spam it.

The exotic version is meh on purpose. When you upgrade to ascended, that’s when the drool comes.

Q + sword 3 = extra burst and you come out fully healed from all the daggers, whilst evading during the healing process. Sounds even better to me than Jalis Q (because you heal in chunk and in next second that chunk can be blown away).

Golemlord Argelmach… errm.
Yeah, no thanks. Also it’s gonna be pretty long while before we get any new elite specs, so might as well stop dreaming out loud.

Gaaroth.2567:

I think they should make hammer#2 and mace#2 like axe #5, an over-terrain effect.
IIRC axe#5 will be inclined to the direction of the target and I rarely missed that on uneven terrains.

If they could do that it would be great

Is Axe 5 blocked by reflection? Because Hammer 2 is not projectile, cuz it’s not blocked by Chak domes and stuff, golden ability.

Hammer 4 is great vs Axemaster, you can just shelter your whole grp behind it.

Rev’s condi sucks, because it’s mostly Torment (pityful dmg if target is not moving) and Chill.
Rev is otherwise pretty durable, has permaswiftness (where are your annoying Streamlined Kits now) and other buffs, although, compared to engi, the gameplay is a bit dull – but then, that’s probably any other class.
I find myself often switching skills even on the go, like… for this mob I need retaliation, for this quickness, etc.
On the other hand, engi is a bit squishy, compared to rev. But being able to switch into Juggernaut to trek some parts of maguma is godsend.

Wait until you jump in water!

Celtic Lady.3729:

I don’t understand the point of the lack of XP, other than to artificially slow down mastery acquisition, but the controlled looting in this game is something they do because of their economy.

This is I believe to prevent stalling events and making ppl really angry. Imagine if DS event mobs would give exp and you’d have half of each of the 3 comm groups just farming the mobs for exp, completely ignoring pods and commanders. You have just wasted about hour only to find out, that the final fight is probably not happening.

That’s why CoFP1 or spiderfarm is okay, because it’s consetial – you join the party or go there with intel that there will be exp farm.

Tbh all that’s needed is no timer if only 1-2 ppl atk the Champion. It’ll take a while and you’ll have to be on your toes, but doable. Start the timer appropriate to current HP if more ppl join the fight, that way you keep the challenge.

rchu.8945:

fellyn.5083:

Marauders stat set looks interesting to me. It provides a nice boost to hp without gimping on the dps stats too much.

yep, I think I’m leaning towards Marauder over Berserker set. I didnt even know it’s available until another Rev player pointed out in another thread. Extra HP without gimping the damage stats is a plus for me.

I was under impression that vitality without toughness is kinda useless.

Namica.2951:

Destabilizator.2789:

Torment is cool idea, but needs pimping to bring it up to speed. I was thinking that any launch/pull would proc Torment dmg based on the distance – wouldn’t it be nice?
Eg. Mallyx R stack some -> Glint -> R R.

I didn’t do the math, but how strong Torment is (compared to other condis), if we assume the target will be moving for whole duration?

Torment is absolute garbage since legendary/elite/boss mobs dont move that much.

A abit better in PvP, but still not that great.

Torment is a good idea on paper, an atrocious idea in action.

Yah, as I said – it needs a bit of pimping. Maybe your typical trick from other MMOs – consume stacks of it and deal full dmg now?

Torment is cool idea, but needs pimping to bring it up to speed. I was thinking that any launch/pull would proc Torment dmg based on the distance – wouldn’t it be nice?
Eg. Mallyx R stack some → Glint → R R.

I didn’t do the math, but how strong Torment is (compared to other condis), if we assume the target will be moving for whole duration?

Activating the Facet of Nature is bad – you put it on CD. Solution is to run out of energy before you swap to Shiro from Glint, that way your Impossible Odds isn’t locked and Facet of Nature doesn’t go on CD.

Reason for this is that max upkeep can be -10 and Impossible Odds itself is -10, but if it just canceled Facet it would be even better than it already is.

I just hope the hammed gets proper design, not crap like Machined/Plated Hammer or the one which does Drop The Hammer… about time we got some good looking hammers (Entropy/Genysis ftw).

All these thingies drop on like 5th kill, I have never killed more than that.
Nice set, although the chest (cuirass style) and shoulder sucks.

Scholar is good when you have some crit and learn to trekk Maguma properly to stay at full HP most of the time (or clutch it with Hammer from range)

Glint’s Bastion Collection is awesomely done, I was like “yeah sure”, then I Previewed… and went on collecting. I ripped such massive emo rage in the Inner Chamber challenge… all worth it :-)

Dengar.1785:

I do not know the specifics, but the common trend is for the Nuhoch lane to fail first. This leads me to believe that Nuhoch lane is the hardest to organise.

Anyone else have some info to share?

Yes Nunoch lane is hardest, but certainly doable. Key is to blow the Defiance bar, not for the CC, but boss takes huge dmg when downed. We failed by 0,4% though, eh.

Road would be awesome if it was like 1200 range, so you could actually pave stabi road into enemy zerg (WvW).

Forced Engagement is also interceptable (kinda like when you are using Downed #1), quite hard to land in encounter when there are many mobs (like Sporelings), the price is imo justified by the amount of Defiance it eats.

Hammers cancel when hitting wall or slope, but work with that “heal when hitting from side or behind” trait.

Once you unlock Herald, you don’t really use Jalis anymore.

I usually crash between “big” stages of events, OOM everytime (my rig has 32GB of RAM), 64-bit Win 7 Ulti.

All you can do is failsafe party and hope you get back to them.

Honestly, couldn’t ANet

>> IMPLEMENT RECONNECTION GRACE PERIOD <<

1-2mins would be enough. Easy temporary measure while they work out the problems.

What do you think about https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_Durability for trekking in Maguma?

I feel that going melee (sword) and chasing the ever moving mobs there (or facing Axemaster) is solid murder, so I focus more on Hammer + booning allies.

Sword 3 also doesn’t do any dmg if you are Slowed.

Rastel.9157:

Nothing beats wow

I wish I had your simple life :-)

Did 4x 0-400 crafts, lvled under boosters in Labyrinth, tomed last 10 or so lvls. All in a day.

jmoak.7821:

yeah the taunt is probably best defiance bar breaker in the game, however the taunt effect itself is far too short even with the trait to be of any use. Most mobs attack animations are longer than those 4 seconds

Idk if it’s the same for the trait auto-taunt on disable (not using it), but the Jalis taunt is paired with slow, which even slows the atks of the target.
Most often then not, the mob will barely have time to turn to you when the effect fades, but at least it stopped atking the original target for a while :-)

Side note is that Taunt drains defiance bars like mad jelly.

Paulytnz.7619:

Destabilizator.2789:

I went full Zerk, but “had” to slot Dolyak Runes, because kitten hurts a lot and I had to focus on dodging, evading too much, no time to enjoy the pretty animations or Entropy + Mallyx R shine :-)

Sword + Axe/Hammer

P.S.: Does Sword 3 count as “from side or behind”?

Use Jalis’ Vengeful Hammers and you will have no problem hitting from side/behind.

Oh that didn’t occur to me