Guild Wars 2

So basically all the things that annoyed us in the original gw2 were carried on with a bigger impact to HoT? This is so funny I want to cry. Tell you what though, glad I didn’t pay for pre-purchase. Probably gonna wait for the price to drop to $15 or so.

Guhracie.3419:

It is just beyond time to say something about what is going to be changed. It was ridiculous that we waited for four months to get acknowledgement that our feedback was being heard by anyone official at ANET, and then another five months on top of that before we heard that traits were, in fact, going to be changed. For sure. And now we’re heading into a weekend, with no further word about the system, after a month of further silence.

Anet, all you had to do was reduce the cost of traits while you were figuring out what to do next. That’s it. That would have solved so many problems. The fact that it still hasn’t happened isn’t instilling me with any confidence in the new-new system. Not even a teensy, tiny, bit.

83 pages (90, counting this thread), over 10 months, and smoke and mirrors is the best you can muster? Really?

Nobody said our feedback was heard. The did, however say that we are super cool for posting feedback.

As far as Anet is involved, they only react to their precious matrices. They made a deal with that guy/company that basically nullified (in their minds) the need to communicate with players at all because now they have nice spreadsheets that tell them everything they need to know.

That is why I don’t care for HoT right now and certainly not planing to buy it when it’s released because we are going to have the same attitude, but with extra humidity. Maybe when they start treating their players as valued customers

seabhac.5346:

I sit here eating a delicious salad (no, not a Sylvari minion), reminiscing about the early days of the game and how fun and rewarding it was.

This was a time before the nerfing (drops, chests, farming) and the institution of the redesigned elements of the game we didn’t ask for: NPE, Dailies and Traits revamps.

I remember how truly fun it felt to start new alts, in every profession, and explore everything! Weapons, builds, the world and just feel so rewarded with loot.

That very first headstart day, the chest from the Shadow Behemoth event dropped so many shinies into my inventory that it nearly filled completely.

Black Lion Chest keys dropped by the ton! The chests themselves dropped one or more keys. It was thrilling to open chests of any kind, anywhere in the world.

I really miss those days, when the game just felt really great to play because it was truly fun and didn’t seem like a grind.

Playing the same content over and over, and getting the same lackluster drops ad nauseum, is a grind, and not fun.

Speculating, and asking for information, over and over, ad nauseum on the forums, is a grind, and not fun.

Games are supposed to be fun. This game used to be fun. The only thing that keeps my interest hanging by a thin thread these days, is that I really like my characters and WvW.

I’ve been taking a break, only logging in to retrieve the daily jingle box. That’s it. I gotta say, the games I’ve been playing outside of this one are actually fun.

I’ve missed that thrill of an actual great loot drop, whether it be gold or items. Playing other games has brought that feeling back, and it really feels good.

So good in fact, that when I do happen to think about playing beyond just logging into this game for the daily jingle box, that overwhelming ‘not fun’ feeling strikes and I just can’t do it anymore. The other games are just more fun right now, and Anet has the ‘we can’t talk about it’ communication policy, and the NPE, Traits 2 and Dailies 3 revamps to thank for that.

This is, word for word, how I feel.
Just to add to the loot thing: other games also have crazy rare drops, but you know what? These things actually drop, without the need to throw gold down the toilet. And when they do – even if your not the one that gets to loot it, it’s still fun because you get that “holy cow the sword of thousand truths just dropped!!!!!!111111” excitement, instead of “oh, look at all the blues my bags are filled with”. Point being, GW2 has become Grind Wars 2, with no actual reward for anything.

Gaile Gray.6029:

No snark intended. All I said was factual. You can see that if you analyze the thread, where even after Colin’s post, people were returning to the same comments without recognizing that changes are coming. Saying “Change it!” when the game director has said “We’re going to change it!” doesn’t seem the best of discussions.

Sure, players would like more information. But that’s not available right now. So the choices are to continue on the treadmill of wash/rinse/repeat in the old thread, determine there’s sufficient info to post a new comment in this thread, or hold off until there is more information. It sounds as if you fall into the latter category, and that’s perfectly fine! Feel free to post in the future when you feel you have enough on which to base your input.

That’s because the last time you said you’re changing something, we got the messed-up trait system…
The problem here is that you don’t have a PTR or even a dedicated group of players to test the changes you make – you just make them and the hell with the players. And if you turn out to be wrong, you do nothing about it unless it hits some major gaming website. See, you do this with no consideration to players and only after you have set it in stone you come to us asking for feedback, which you completely ignore – only to then lock the thread, so it dies in the bottom of the forum, which I find extremly rude. You know, there’s this wierd concept called “beta-testers”. Maybe you should get Colin to look into that.
I stopped playing (read: stopped wasting time hoping this game would improve) about the time Colin made his reply in the trait thread and so far, reading the forums and your so-called updates hadnt caused me to log in, not even for the reward. Perhaps I’d change my mind when you actually decide to have an open communication with us and tell us what awaits us in this area (we don’t need any confidential info about Maguuma), but I don’t see that happening.

“A more simplified system”. hmmm I know I heard that phrase before, just can’t put my finger on it….

On the plus side, I’m really enjoying myself playing the-game-that-must-not-be-named.

Terrahero.9358:

I suspect the new WvW map will be available to everyone if it’s a rotational thing, but I wouldn’t be so sure if it’s a new map entirely. Like a 4th Borderland. But if it replaces any of the old maps they cant deny it to you because they stripped out a piece of old content that you did pay for in order to fit it in.

you mean like SAB? :P

i got a nasty feeling that the new mastery/specialization will be locked behind ridiculously tedious tasks that you have to do for each character.

Bernie.8674:

pupi.2465:

Charr, Humans and Asura against Sylvari, Norn and (New Race) Tengu?

Factions would bring a very interesting feeling in the game

Quaggan will shelter the Sylvari.

NooooOOOOoooo Quaggan nOOOOooooooOOOOO like MoooOOOOOoooOOOOrdremoooooOOOOOth

Why is that even a question??? Rytlock said you couldn’t trust them – that’s enough for me :P
We Charr are starting a new tooth-pick enterprise that will dominate all restaurants and eating venues across Tyria.

One thing’s for sure: there is something on the table.

BRING ON THE SALAD DRESSINGS!!!!1111

Salad dressing, chef, 500;
Ingrediants:
4 blood of sylvari
2 ascalonian herbs
1 wine

+9000% to magic find

I want trahern’s head on a plate, with some tomatoes and dressing. Finally, the glory would belong to the players, and not to this talking cabbage.

hmmmm… That hype train, whilst it has no brakes, does it have tables on board?

Actually, it does help – even if not in a direct manner.
It causes a.net to lose money from selling a copy of the game and some gem purchases, which is all that matters (“how to post positive feedback” that will be ignored, is obviously not the way to go), thus steering them in the right direction. Why? Because there are people who a: paid for the game and would like to actually enjoy it (crazy, I know) and b: they care for the universe that was created and don’t want to see it go down the drain.

Plus, as this is an mmorpg, traits and skill are actually a part of the gameplay, so warning players they may not get what they paid for is just a friendly advice.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

In the context of GW2, players will pay for what they need, that is Exotic gears, runes, sigils, food, etc. Ascended and Legendary gears sure are desirable, but not on demand because they are not needed, players simply want them.

What is part of demand is need. If you can make a need for an item, then you’ll get demand for it. In other words, at the time when it is necessary to have an Ascended or Legendary gear in order to complete a dungeon, for example, is the time when demand for those item may possibly exist — however unlikely.

you clearly have no understanding in any parts of this issue.

also in the content of GW2 – players pay for tons of things they don’t need. like everything in the gem store.

not really. the previous one was much better.

its a different “point of no return”.

my guess: mordremoth took the other sylvari chick as prisoner, the ransom is the dragon egg Caithe stole. she brings it back to his shadow but mordremoth obviously lied and now Caithe is trapped behind the portal in the wall with runes on it. mordremoth wanna use Caithe and the other one to corrupt sylvari/get nightmare court along his side, but he needs time for that so launches an assault agains camp resolve. in order to fend him you need to defeat his “lieutenant” and for that destiny edge goes through the portal to get some substance (insert_precursor_crafting_here) to defeat it, while trahearn in attempt to once again claim all glory to himself mobilises the pact to invade some_other_map and your character is playing 2nd violin to destiny edge, and then catches on with trahearn, to be notify that things won’t end well. this will be the end of season2, and season3 will start couple of months later.

the end—-

i call BS on the “no communication due to fear of backlash”.
every online game has a community, with some users more vocal than others. developers always say they work on something X or Y, sometimes they deliver, sometimes they don’t, sometimes they deliver partially or different than what the players thought. game communities react like they always do, sometimes with anger (hint traits hint) and yet… a lot of games made it through that backlash. are we supposed to think that a.net employees have such fragile feelings that every single bad post or comment make them run away from their computer with tears? fact is, there always will be negative responses. the only possible, feasible reason, to justify such a policy is that somebody downright lied to the community, and got busted for it by the community.

as we have seen, the only “backlash” a.net fears is in regard to gem store sales everything else is hardly of any interest to them.

bump… For Great Justice!

am interesting article, if a bit depressing:P
this reminds me of a certain thread
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/RNG-as-a-concept-Discuss/first

that article is like a summary to some of the great points and suggestions made in that thread.

that thread is now lost somewhere due to the merge…. because moderating couple of forums is a task requiring highly trained and licensed Asura technicians dedicated to the job :|

This thread caused me to seriously consider resubscribing to wow

People have been predicting “the death of WoW” since… Since it was launched.
It has no affect on GW2, the games cater to different people.
Anyway, if it hadn’t died after a cash-shop was introduced to subscription based game, nothing would kill it.

Edit: I think the “Garrison” thing is awesome and would work well in GW2, as your character is , after all, a commander of the pact and supposed to have several thousands (?) of soldiers under their command. But I doubt this is “the point of no return”.

I want Caith’s dagger for my thief. Anyway, I think they should introduce more story NPC’s items.

/sigh

Still nothing. But I’m keeping a total of gems I _wouldve_purchased otherwise. So far it’s 3000gems or ~$35. Only way to get them to actually take notice of this thread.

i agree, it’s a very good deal. even if you bought a set previously, 1850 for all 3 is not so bad to equip another character. i always had a feeling they’d do something like that (a set) though its a better price than id thought.

butch.8136:

Anet loves to (try) innovate.
“New framework for how an MMO can grow its universe. The Living World was just the beginning.”

There’ll be an uproar, that’s for sure. Hopefully a positive one. I’m excited to see what they’ve come up with.

Edit: Maybe we’ll know what these guys are doing at Anet —> http://intrinsicalgorithm.com/IANews/2014/04/now-consulting-at-arenanet-on-guild-wars-2/

Their motto is very much in accordance to a.net MO, which isn’t encouraging: “reducing the world to mathematical equations”. Now we know where this game’s problems stem from.

I’m so excited and I just can’t hide it

I do. The LS in itself isn’t bad.

RyuDragnier.9476:

sighs

Anet, it’s almost 2015. Please tell us you’re working on the trait system fixes. Even a simple “We’re working on them, but we can’t tell you when the fixes will be ready” would work for us, just so we know you’re listening and working on it.

After almost 3500 replies across a thread spanning 70 pages, I doubt they would reply something legible or useful and not vague dribble, much less fix the trait system in 2015

items i put in guild vault do not stack automatically and there is no “compact” button. this means i need to take out whatever it is, stack it in my bag and then put it back – which is a bit annoying

I have it on good authority that all Devs RP as lvl5 Asura mesmers. That’s why they aren’t bothered by the trait system.

Voted, good idea.

I hate it how on my warrior I need to waste trait points on it or use skills that have much bigger CD in relation to the speed buff they offer

Send me your stuff plz

How modern are we talking about? Glock 17 and such? I do agree, however, that the design tends to either be weird Asura stuff or old guns. Rifles have more verity in that regard. Currently the only skin I like is the one form the order of whispers

please, could you tone down the amount of junk this thing gives? maybe instead of junk total it’s worth in copper before making the actual drop and just give us that. Or no junk at all. The amount is ridiculous.

Fernling.1729:

So far to me, the living story has only proven to be incapable of providing the quality and quantity of writing and gameplay I expect out of an mmo that releases “an expansions worth of content”.
People keep saying that the living story can provide the exact same thing a full blown expansion can. Well, where is it?
Maybe I’ve just been spoiled by other mmorpgs and shouldn’t expect much. I don’t think so though. I also think anet agrees and I think that’s why they have been working on an expansion. If anet wants to have an mmo that gains popularity over time instead of losing it they will have to really shake things up to get people playing again. The living story just isn’t doing that.

+1, mostly because Living story isn’t living at all. In contradiction to season 1, where are the impacts of the current LS? Nothing really. S1 had LA destroyed, along with a main protagonist everybody hated; now we have a dragon that made no real diffrence – except adding some boss fight in Iron Marches, and stuff that is instanced like the Pale Tree being sick – so it’s not really there. And when an update does come – we get 2 chapters, and then – nothing. Just another cliff hanger, and at some point, these become boring because you lose the story line with all the “breaks” in between. It becomes something you just want to get over with, instead of enjoying the story itself. I mean, yeah people deserve their holiday break, but it’s not like Christmas came as a surprise, is it? The releases should’ve been scheduled better. Furthermore, there is no epic feeling in current LS. From what I hear (read) from other players this was something really awesome and compelling. But now? We got some instanced encounters and that’s it.
Release LS episode once a month, if that what it takes, but make them worth of that name. Allow us to truly have an impact on Tyria, let us re-visit the existing dungeons with a path related to the story (don’t need a new path in every single one, but a search party to find Rytlock in AC would be nice). So yeah, maybe its not a full expansion, but it’s more true to the “expansion worthy” LS chapters.

And for heaven’s sake, get rid of that glory-hogging cabbage (Trahearn).

Then the game won’t have an expansion in 2015 :P

Anyaway, I thought they regard the LS updates as “mini expansions”. Personally, I’d like to see an addition of an area larger than DT/SW. They map is pretty big, but the explorable area is… A bit dissapointing size-wise. idk if the game needs a new class, but that would be nice. A new playable race is much more relevant, it seems weird to me that there are all kinds of races taking part in the PS/LS that we have no access to, or can’t even explore their living areas.

Yeah, it even may not be a reference, but I was kinda surprised to hear him say that expression

I was playing the other day at ‘red rock bastion’ and could’ve sworn I heard warmaster Gritblade (or the supply officer after you get the rubble event successful) saying “not today Mordremoth, not today”.

You get twice the same armour but with different shading. I was talking about skins, should’ve been more clear.

Season 1 rewards – the items, to be exact – that you can get from the laurel vendor are really well done. Twice now I have scrapped gold to gold to buy items: one was the blue Zephyrite helmet and the other the dragon horns helmet (which looks awesome on my norn). Why season 2 rewards are so ‘meh’ in comparison? We didn’t really get anything related to the story or characters (except the jewelry, which doesn’t count because you can’t show off with it :P ).

Trahearn does nothing except demotivating everybody with “this won’t end well” every time you encounter a critter.

I think it’s better this way, honestly. Sure, you have to move about more but – it gives a bigger feel of accomishment, and you revisit places you probably forgot about. Plus, roaming on the map like this you get envolved in more things (events and such). You get mixed in WvW (capture ruins, which takes about 10 seconds) and other aspects.

Credits’s where credit’s due, I liked this part (well, except for having a filthy Grawl in my home instance). The riddles part was nice and the hunt was actually fun. Not very difficult JP, and I understand the chances getting the trinkets are pretty high.

Over all, it was a good edition to wintersday.

i find it easier to do if you use one hand for 1-4 and the other with the mouse

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

I use RNG to answer

Apparently my answer is:

I automobile forthcoming thus place 42 insurrection on red periodically.

win
/closethread

Yep, that’s what you get when you only consider “matrices” as a legitimate source of information. Matrices told them that players didn’t do event X to unlock trait Y. So they decide to force players into doing so, without asking themselves why players avoid certain content. That’s what you get when you decide on a policy that restricts communication between players and Devs. Like some user has in is sign.: if you have to ask players about improving communication, you are in a lot of trouble already.
I honestly think that the only reason they won’t say anything is because talking to people (apperantly…) is a chore, and they prefere to take the lazy way out. Fear of backlash because things may be concieved as promises, and dissapointment will ensue once they are dropped? Give me a break. It’s nothing but a lame excuse to justify faulty behavior.

Some combos are a bit missing it for players, like having to do a timed event (like the worm), but overall I think it’s nice. I also like the addition of XP scrolls to help level my alts. All in all, I’d give it 7/10 because if you want to stick to your playstyle, you are limited tasks-wise (only 4 for each style I think).

Yep you are being punished twice. But wait a minute for I have seen the light! You! Yes you are the problem! We have guys like you that make alts nilly-willy without thinking about the new players! Imagine one such player, playing along with a Mesmer when all of a sudden, the Mesmer relogs as a ranger! Don’t you see the axiety you’re causing them? With a flick of a button you tear at their grasp of the time-space continuum and put their fragile minds into limbo!!!! You evil monster you!!! That is why Anet in its infinite wisdom has decided on such lackluster trait system! To deter people like you, who place no regad or care to other players! You had to be stopped. I read an article on the matter, and statistical analysis and matrices have shown that 2 out of 3 players who experience this “alt logging” are then found at their home, in the fetus position, drooling and can only communicate like a Quaggan with oooooOOOOOOooooooo everywhere!
The article also mentioned this phenomenon had a scientific name.
It’s called “NPE: Newbos Patrificus Eternitus”.

Ok then, please enlighten me: what method would you use, when the other side won’t recognize your existence and refuse to openly and candidly communicate with you?

A Nifty Unicorn.4358:

I understand where you’re coming from, but no one is forcing you to buy gems. If you really want the outfit but refuse to buy gems, there’s an in-game currency exchange sitting in wait for you.

Wolfheart had it right. I used to purchase about 1600 gems a month (give or take, depending on what’s offered). So instead of buying gems with cash, I’d probably revert to converting gold for that, which means that they have lost bussiness. Not a lot, I know – $10 won’t even appear on their radar, but given time and more players getting on board with this they will face the issue. They have shown that they listen only when bottom-line in at stake, like in the gem exchange fiasco. The "custom option didn’t become available because they wanted to, or admitted mistake: it was added because they felt it would hurt their profit. I’m sad that it has come to this, but this – as it seems – is the only way to get their attention as they are reluctant to communicate with us.