Guild Wars 2

Vol.7601:

So what exactly do you want at the end of the cave? Precursor? 5g?

How about some new and unique looking skins. You know that thing the game is supposed to be all about as far as rewards go.

They could even be white trash for all I care but the buy my rewards kitten is getting really old in this game.

I just turned 39 and have two other friends that play that are 40 and 43.

Reread the meaning of that word again please.

You do not know what it means from you statement above.
At any rate I get you do not approve of rangers. Your opinion. I get it.

But that is all it is. Your opinion. Have a great day.

Aeonblade.8709:

Gbok.1039:

Aeonblade.8709:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Aeonblade.8709:

Laurelinde.4395:

Confirmation bias is confirmation bias. Getting reeeeally tired of it.

I’m confused, what does this have to do with this thread? Pardon my ignorance in advance.

As applied to the subject of the thread, confirmation bias would mean that people perceive rangers as causing the problem because they are predisposed to blame issues on rangers. If one expects something to be the cause, it’s pretty easy to find “evidence” that that is so, and to ignore evidence to the contrary.

I know what confirmation bias is, I just don’t see how it applies to this thread. Regardless of what people think, Ranger is a broken class right now. Plain and simple. Every measurable metric in game reflects this. I would love for Ranger to be viable again, as indicated in my signature, nothing would make me happier class wise honestly. That being said, all you do is cripple yourself by playing one right now when nearly every other class does the same job except better.

vi·a·ble

/?v??b?l/

adjective

adjective: viable

1.

capable of working successfully; feasible.
“the proposed investment was economically viable”

synonyms: feasible, workable, practicable, practical, usable, possible, realistic, achievable, attainable, realizable; More

Rangers are viable in every aspect of this game.

Are they the top class or the most efficient class in some situations? No.
But they are viable. There is not one part of this game that a ranger that knows how to play the class will fail at.

And even when rangers are underperforming where time matters, (and this is only about how much time something in game may take), it is a very small amount of time and really makes no difference unless you are doing speed runs for the most possible gain per hour.

If there is truly some other issue that I have missed here please point it out because I have certainly not seen it in game.

Then you just haven’t played with Rangers much versus other classes that outperform them. Nothing else to say really.

So even after I provide you with the meaning of the word you still choose to be ignorant.

Well no surprise I guess. People just really are sad.

I have an 80 necro, 80 guardian, 80 thief, 70 warrior and working on a new Ele.
Again, the ranger class might not be the most efficient class for some areas of the game but they are more than viable.

If you still refuse to see that then you are correct. There is nothing left to discuss.

Give me your figures on dungeon runs with and without a ranger in the group. One that knows how to play. What is the time difference in your runs with them?
Give me more proof than “I say it is bad so it is” and I will agree with you.

Until then I will stand by my statement above.

Aeonblade.8709:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Aeonblade.8709:

Laurelinde.4395:

Confirmation bias is confirmation bias. Getting reeeeally tired of it.

I’m confused, what does this have to do with this thread? Pardon my ignorance in advance.

As applied to the subject of the thread, confirmation bias would mean that people perceive rangers as causing the problem because they are predisposed to blame issues on rangers. If one expects something to be the cause, it’s pretty easy to find “evidence” that that is so, and to ignore evidence to the contrary.

I know what confirmation bias is, I just don’t see how it applies to this thread. Regardless of what people think, Ranger is a broken class right now. Plain and simple. Every measurable metric in game reflects this. I would love for Ranger to be viable again, as indicated in my signature, nothing would make me happier class wise honestly. That being said, all you do is cripple yourself by playing one right now when nearly every other class does the same job except better.

vi·a·ble

/?v??b?l/

adjective

adjective: viable

1.

capable of working successfully; feasible.
“the proposed investment was economically viable”

synonyms: feasible, workable, practicable, practical, usable, possible, realistic, achievable, attainable, realizable; More

Rangers are viable in every aspect of this game.

Are they the top class or the most efficient class in some situations? No.
But they are viable. There is not one part of this game that a ranger that knows how to play the class will fail at.

And even when rangers are underperforming where time matters, (and this is only about how much time something in game may take), it is a very small amount of time and really makes no difference unless you are doing speed runs for the most possible gain per hour.

If there is truly some other issue that I have missed here please point it out because I have certainly not seen it in game.

Shakkara.2641:

killahmayne.9518:

It isn’t like they changed the item that you bought, they just introduced a new pick.

Which made the previous one obsolete.

In a game that shouldn’t have planned obsolescence in the first place (Advertised as having no vertical progression!)

You paid for the first pick knowing exactly what you were purchasing.
It still does the same thing it did when you purchased it. It has not changed from that.
You got what you paid for. This does not entitle you to free upgrades every time a new gathering tool is released.

ANET has already stated that they would add the current weapons to classes first that do not currently use them before they would design any new weapons to be used.

FenrirSlakt.3692:

Ohoni.6057:

I have no problem with them including hardcore content, but I do have a few requirements:

The self-entitlement!
You don’t get to say what’s in the game and what isn’t. You only get to decide whether you play it or not.

This is the same for both sides of the debate here so what is your point?

Spicyhash.7605:

Gbok.1039:

Spicyhash.7605:

I don’t like playing with rangers because of point blank shot. They use this whenever it is off cooldown – knocking foes out of AoE or skills like hundred blades/other high burst skills. The only rangers I like playing with are sword/whatever because they have no skills that can really interrupt the flow of battle. Knockbacks should never be used in small group roaming or in PvE.

You do realize that rangers are not the only ones that have knockbacks right?

Are you honestly trying to tell me that you have never seen or even believe that another class could have used a knockback to push the target back…..ever?

This is the real issue here… For some ungodly reason people think that only rangers suck at this game which is just ignorant and silly to even think.

knockback != knockdown. i don’t mind knockdown. it simply.. knocks them down. it doesn’t blow them out of range of an aoe or burst skill. this discussion was about rangers, and not mesmer (gs 5), necro (fear), thief (scorpion wire), ele(the especially annoying updraft), guardian (banish) and engineer (B.O.B). knockbacks are fine in large zergs when there is so much ridiculous aoe damage that all it does is get your target killed quicker, but not in pve or roaming in <5 man groups. guardian gs pull is infinitely more useful for clumping mobs than point blank shot is.

What was the point of this response?

I know the difference between a knockback and a knockdown.
There are other classes that have them both.

People playing those classes can use them in any area of the game just like rangers can.

You go on to state that this thread was about rangers then in the next few statements make a comment about how guards pull is better.

How about you go a figure out your point and try to make it again because you completely missed my question and failed to respond to it.

Again….are you trying to tell me that no other class has ever used their knockbacks when they should not have?
Are you trying to tell me that all the bad players in this game only play rangers?

That was the point. Any class can fail at the game like you described rangers failing with point blank shot. And they do as I have seen it many times over.

Rangers have issues but this is not one of them. We can complete any content in this game in a very timely manner. The hate is uncalled for and not needed.

Spicyhash.7605:

I don’t like playing with rangers because of point blank shot. They use this whenever it is off cooldown – knocking foes out of AoE or skills like hundred blades/other high burst skills. The only rangers I like playing with are sword/whatever because they have no skills that can really interrupt the flow of battle. Knockbacks should never be used in small group roaming or in PvE.

You do realize that rangers are not the only ones that have knockbacks right?

Are you honestly trying to tell me that you have never seen or even believe that another class could have used a knockback to push the target back…..ever?

This is the real issue here… For some ungodly reason people think that only rangers suck at this game which is just ignorant and silly to even think.

If I was in your situation I might just consider buying a new account for NA.

ANET seem to be running discounts all the time now and that way if you ever need to move back you still have you other account in EU.

Phoenixlin.8624:

Gbok.1039:

Phoenixlin.8624:

A waste of wall of text.

Rangers with pets are bad for lane 2’s boss, there is no exception. Elementalists with an elemental also bad for this lane; but still elementalists > rangers ^^

This is a complete lie.

I have done Lane two boss with 3 rangers inside and was the second group with their kill at 50 secs left.

It has nothing to do with rangers.

I did lane 2 with x many rangers and my lane failed it every single time. Your single example does not change the fact that rangers with PETs suck in lane 2.

Um, it shows that with competent players you can complete the champs with ay classes and any comp.

I think that is directly to the point of the thread. I am sorry if your group failed but again, it has nothing to do with the class they are playing.

If you cannot see that then I am sorry but that is the fact.

Phoenixlin.8624:

A waste of wall of text.

Rangers with pets are bad for lane 2’s boss, there is no exception. Elementalists with an elemental also bad for this lane; but still elementalists > rangers ^^

This is a complete lie.

I have done Lane two boss with 3 rangers inside and was the second group with their kill at 50 secs left.

It has nothing to do with rangers.

Pets have to be able to hit their target period. There is no reason why this should not have been fixed by now. If they are not suppose to hit the target then they should remove them from the game.

For control as other have mentioned before something similar.

We need 3 buttons (f1)(f3)(f4).

f1 – Pet follow – Pet will stick to master within 5 ft and attack from that range only.
Use – For movement of ranged pets and for use with a melee heavy build

f3 – Pet Stay – Pet will stay on the target area and attack without movement.
Use – For range pet placement.

f4 – Pet dodge – Used to mitigate damage on pet when dodge is needed in encounters.
This can be an animated dodge or just something that reduces or complete counters all damage for a short time period.

Something akin to this would do a lot for the pet side of things without making the class much harder to play.

Azreell.1568:

Casmurro.9046:

. But you need to understand that this is not WoW, you can’t play GW2 with a WoW mentality.

You mean we aren’t suppose to have fun?

Love it or hate it blizzard tends to give players what they want thus why the game is so popular.

I have yet to see Anet follow that model – We are playing the game the devs want us to play not the game we want to play.

How about “we” stop speaking for everyone like we know what everyone wants out of this game.

I played WoW. I liked WoW. WoW is old and out dated in “my” eyes.

I enjoy GW2 how it is. I enjoy the new releases with the new bosses and get that new content is on the way.

I am playing the game I like to play. If you are playing a game you do not like, you may want to look into playing something else.

What I was thinking was meant by that was you cannot dodge while the attack is in progress and it show you evaded as you can with other attacks. You can as you stated dodge before the attack when the circle shows up.

I was assuming this is some of the anti zerker measures being implemented and tested.
The circles are also marked different than the normal aoe’s we have seen in the past.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

5: Attacks by the marionette should be dodgeable. Be consistent with your game design.

This is so people stop with all the zerker gear. Expect more like this in the future.

I have about 13.5 gold right now but I have spent hundreds since release.

I have a hard time saving in game and that is where my gold goes. Only having 13 on hand at this moment really does not show how much I have had in the past.

I am pretty confident that I could have outright bought a Legendary or two by now if I had saved all of my coin.

I do nothing special to get money. I WvW most nights and do some guild events throughout the week and on the weekends as well. Other than that it is just normal game play.

I also play daily anywhere from 1-4 hours. Weekends about the same, sometimes more, sometimes less.

Chaba.5410:

Omnitek.3876:

Chaba.5410:

Omnitek.3876:

Flamethrower, stop the attack like everyone else on ever other class does when retal bites back

You clearly have no experience with the Flamethrower.

Swap kits, dodge, use another skill, etc etc.

Yes, you eat tons of rental damage with it, feel free to use any of the mentioned remedies to stop retal damage from killing you. Dont worry, I dont have a geared 80 or every class /rollseyes

As someone said before, you got countered.

Ranger longbow 5 is the only valid complaint skill vs retal. Maybe chaos storm from mes and lavafont from ele.

I got countered? I should try the remedies I offered? Man, learn to read.

Ranger can use the same trick with Barrage, stand in a pulsing healing field like engineer’s Super Elixir.

P.S. There’s no dodge out of grenades or FT.

Although I have no issue with retal in WvW on my ranger, ranger is a little different in that once the cast bar is done there is no stopping the arrows. They will keep falling for a few more secs after the cast with no way to stop them.

I think that might be what the poster was trying to say with the ranger comment.
Again, I do not die to retal in WvW and I play with LB/GS or LB/SB.

You just need to try classes to find one you enjoy. That one will be the one that is the easiest to solo the game with. Every class can do it fine. Some just take a little more time to shine through leveling.

But believe me when I tell you to not go by what others may classify as the “easiest” class. Just find what you enjoy and go with that. It will be a better experience for you that way and the game will just feel better. That in turn will make it “easy” for you to level.

Thanks for a great first year GW2. Let us hope to see new adventures and greater challenges to be had in 2014.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could give two kittens about what they give to the winning server. I am more concerned with the 7 week meta reward.

If I get a back piece and two greens a may honestly have to uninstall this game.

I agree that the filter is too harsh at times. Most times even.
I will say that since the game opened I have only had 2 gold spam messages though.

Some helpful tips:
Most commanders use the community TeamSpeak to command. Not say or team chat.

If you are going to pass out food to your group…

Send 4 to one guy that will then
send 3 to the next guy and so on until they are passed out.

I think the friends list being lifted from the blocker would be a great start to fixing this issue.

If you really felt that way OP you could fix it in about 2 secs by going to your map and turning off all of the map icons and WPs.

Since you have not done that I would have to think that you truly do not want that from the game, you just think you do.

I say this as I was thinking the exact same thing. I went to my map and turned everything off at the start of one of my alts leveling game.

After about 10 mins I switched them all back on.
Try it in game if you truly feel that way. Come back and let us know how long that lasted for you.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Player Character.9467:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

i can’t believe you all settle for roman numerals over icons.

icons will be much easier to remember than roman numerals!

So you would rather have “You want to take squiggly line in arms, purple heart in strength, and the pig face in your 5th line” instead of “Take arms IV, strength III, and _ V”

yes. icons > roman numerals

i say the full names of the traits when i share my traits build with others anyway.
roman numerals are just lazy. and confusing.

You are complaining about how difficult it is to have to mouse over the icon to remember what the skill is and then state that the Roman numerals is lazy design.

You see anything wrong with this?

It really is nothing but your personal preference and nothing more.

Mad King did not start until Oct 22nd last year. He will be back this year…do not worry yourself so.

SynfulChaot.3169:

Gbok.1039:

I would also like to point out that you do not have to pay 100g to play the mini game so the title of the OP is a little much. It is 5 silver to play the game.

True. I can play for the low price of 5s. Only 5s to play a single small mini-game once that does not benefit me in any way. Now why would I do that? All the other mini-games are free. If I want to play a mini-game, I’m not going to pay for the privilege if I’m not going to gain any benefit from it.

If you enjoy the game then 5 silver is not that much. If you do not enjoy the game then why would you buy it to begin with?

Risingashes.8694:

Danikat.8537:

But the important thing is if you don’t want to pay 100g you don’t have to. As many people have said already you can play against NPCs for free, or buy the cheaper kits to play against other people.

No one is saying that you have to play the minigame, that’s a strawman argument.

What we’re saying is that 100g is too expensive compared to the benefit. At this price people will do the achievements and then never use the game ever again.

Keg Brawl has a hard enough time getting players and that is a free activity.

People are comparing this to other unlimited use items, but they’re not equivelent. The other unlimited use items are giving a specific benifit to the player, they’re valuable due to convieniance.

This item isn’t convenience, it’s the only way to experience this activity. It’s akin to making the trading post vendor ONLY available via the unlimited item (or the limited use item).

If there were player vs player stalls set up in LA this wouldn’t be an issue- but there aren’t, and with this 100g item existing there isn’t likely to be.

I am sorry but you must have missed the other two kits that were being sold on the same vendor for 5 silver and 20 silver. You do not need to spend 100g to play the game.

If the 100g is too much then spend a few gold and get a few kits to hold you over for your time in GW2. 1g = 25 kits. 4 gold will get you 100 kits. That seems pretty good to me so there is an option to play the game at a much more “reasonable” price.

Nothing says you have to spend 100g to play the mini game.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

spoj.9672:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

spoj
Lol. You do realise you slandered me in your very first post? Im far from angry, im just opinionated and like to get my point across. I enjoy a good arguement. Thanks for bringing me down to your level, was fun.

Please point out that line. If so I apologize, but I don’t think I will hold my breath waiting on justification for the the lie.

Calling people uneducated and being generally rude about it, is insulting. You dont know anything about me.

I don’t see anything rude at all, and you need to educate yourself on the definition of uneducated. I’m still waiting on the quote where I slandered you though.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/educated

The thread is about the price of the mini game kit. It is not about GSSBlunaspike.4153 ability to correct people in how they use words in threads on Guild Wars 2 forums. If you feel the need to continue please take it to PMs as you are doing nothing to help the discussion about the price of the mini game.

The price is probably a bit high compared to the price on the other two kits.
I would be more willing to look at it for a purchase if it were around 50g or under. Probably not more.

I would also like to point out that you do not have to pay 100g to play the mini game so the title of the OP is a little much. It is 5 silver to play the game.

There was more to the post than you apparently read. Maybe go back and read it again. I made a point to speak to exactly what you just stated.

This game was developed for a certain crowd. Most MMO’s seem to be following this same trend.

The fact is that the content is too casual for some people. You may be one of these people but there is a large portion of the player base here that still feels that the content is a challenge and far beyond trivial.

I feel the real issue, or atleast part of the issue is that the “elite and hardcore” have already beaten the game to an extent at least before they even log in.

By building groups to beat the content in the most effecient ways, only using builds that game the systems in the game itself and using sites and guides to know all the “tricks” before even logging in does not help.

Now I understand that someone had to actually play the game first to make all of the guides and learn all of the tricks that lead to this type of gaming but if you are doing everything in your power to trivilize the already easy content then why does it surprise you when it seems boring and easy when you actually play through said content?

I personally feel that more people should try to beat the game within the game itself and more people would fine the game to be much more entertaining. By striving to become the best and use the best builds and guides you are only taking away any challenge the game could have offered you in the first place.

Now as backwards as that probably sounds to most of you in this thread I would really challenge you to take a few minutes and really think about that for a moment.

Stop plugging in your PC “Game Shark” and play the game within the game itself. It may not fix all of your issues with the game play but I would be willing to bet that it would help to make the gameplay better by a fair margin for more people.

If you already play this way and still find the gameplay to be too simple or not enough of a challenge then you may simply be too good at these types of games to really do anything about it. Or atleast too good for GW2. And that is in no way ment to be any type of insult or putdown but just the reality of this games gameplay.

Ranger – 80
Necro – 80
Warrior – 56

As one of the many malitia men on the sever I wanted to echo what the others here have said. I moved here a few months back and have had a great time on this sever. This is in both PvE and WvW.

There are several great leaders as mentioned above and no shortage of great fights, action and over all good times here to be had by all.

I am a memeber of a smaller friends guild with very small numbers but always feel welcomed when running with the leaders mentioned by CAA (Zoel and Craig)as well as others such as Derv. Each has their own way of leading their groups but all have great knowlegde of the meta and do a superb job at breaking the larger groups we run up against.

Open TS3 sever with room for all and a really good time all around. Come join a great community and see what this game is really all about. Guilded or solo you will be welcomed by all.

From the asuran ranger / necro that is always hugging Craigs / Dervs kitten on the field.

I use the 4500 karma Bow from the JP vendor in LA. The Undead Mermaid one. Think I will keep it until I stop playing. That is for LB, short bow changes costantly but I could go for some different Legendary skins for bows.

While I have no issues with the current skins I do not see myself going for them any time soon if ever.

Ranger was my first as well as my main. I have a 80 Necro, 80 Theif as well as other classes at various level ranges but I seem to enjoy my Ranger the most.

My Necro and Ranger.

Could not tell ya the different sets but they are both mixed pretty well.

I am in a smaller guild as well and we have often taken towers to defend and buff. Can be extremely fun, especially on reset nights.

There will be down times in between your fights which you can use to gather supplies and siege up your tower.

Dig in and give em hell.

Quenta.2978:

BT Weekly Recap Video

Was a short one this time, busy with work, could not compile a longer one. :-(

Great vid. I am one of the Pugs always following you guys around. Love running with you. Keep up the good fight.

StevesDad.8213:

Honestly I’m looking for a high pop. MMO. I really don’t care to even debate this topic as no matter what anyone says, THIS is what I’m experiencing.

Any suggestions besides WoW and Star Wars?

See this is what I do not understand.

If you log into WoW right now I can promise you that 95% of the gaimng world is empty. The same can be said for SWtor and other games such as Rift. People level through the content and then become concentrated into the higher level zones because that is where the content is.

GW2 is actually one of the only games that I have played that I still see people in the lower zones and spread through out the gaming world.

From my personal expereince over the last deacade I would bet that you will have a very hard time to find any MMO on the market today that has a mass amount of people running around in all of the zones through the game unless it is a relatively new release.

The fact is that you will get a different answer from each person as it will depend on your server, playtime and what you are doing in game.

Not everyone has the issue of not being able to find people to play with. When people come here and state they see people all over when playing it is probably becasue it is true for their experience.

I see people playing all the time. I see them in lower areas leveling. I see them in WvW fighting the good fight. I see them hanging around in front of dungeons me and my guild go to before we start the run. I see them in LA doing daily crafting and wating for fractal groups.

I am on Fort Aspenwood and play during prime time everynight which would be from around 6pm EST to around 11pm EST.

The game is far from dead for me and many others.

Midnightjade.3520:

Gbok.1039:

If you think, as someone above posted, that you can get 500 badges without ever fighting someone in WvW you are highly mistaken.

Yeah you can. Borderlands jumping puzzle on multiple characters plus the rewards from map exploration will get it done. But WvWvW is kinda fun, no reason not to at least join the zerg for a while to get a few extra.

I’m doing world completion now and have finished one of the zones – just ran around for an hour at an off-peak time. Getting the others is doable but I’m not sure it should really be a requirement. Map completion of the PvE map plus 500 badges of honor to make sure you at least try WvWvW is probably the right balance.

I am sorry but I simply do not believe that you not once ever had to deal with someone of the opposite faction while doing the BL puzzles. It does not matter what you say..I just do not believe that.

I am not against having rotating colors as an option to help people get this completed. I have three more characters that will have to complete this as well.
I just think some of these excuses are poor ones at best.

Rin.1046:

Gbok.1039:

So there is no need to argue this any further until someone comes up with a better reason than , “I do not like PvP”.

PvE players taking up WvW player slots and not playing WvW? This was posted above.

This is another BS excuse. How many PvE players do you really think are going to be taking up spots in WvW for days upon days. I highly doubt that many.

People have made the point that if you do not want to go for a Legendary then you do not need 100% World Map completion which is completely true. It gives you nothing else in game besides a Star by your name. If you are doing it for the Legendary then you will also have to collect 500 badges to do so.

If you think, as someone above posted, that you can get 500 badges without ever fighting someone in WvW you are highly mistaken. You are not going to get 500 badgses from puzzles and never see anyone that will not want to stomp you.

I also pointed out a work around that although not easy will get you the POIs and Vistas that are difficult.

So there is no need to argue this any further until someone comes up with a better reason than , “I do not like PvP”.

PS..I completed my 100% while in T1-T2 on IoJ as well so the argument that T1-T2 cannot be completed is also a false statement.

I know it will not be the easiest method to get your POIs from WvW but has worked for me on serveral of the POI’s that we never control.

Wait until you see swords on said POI. Move to that POI and stay out of sight as best you can. Wait for the attacking team to get the wall or door down and start to run in. Follow them in before they kill the Lord and bingo…POI completed.

Again I know this does not specifically “solve” the problem for you but again it has helped me on several occassions in getting certain POI’s in WvW completed.

Vista will be more tricky as you will need to be very stealthy and lucky to not be seen and get in and get it but could still help.

Kerithlan.1659:

KrazyFlyinChicken.5936:

Noticed something interesting today…
Maguuma is in place to move into tier 4 next week.

DragonBrand is VERY close to moving into tier 3.

If FA and IoJ manage to hold their ground until next week (remain in tier 3) then it’s possible the added competition of Maguuma vs. Dragonbrand may stunt DB’s progress enough to keep them in Tier 4.

Or… someone’s dropping to tier 4 to fight Maguuma and likely be stuck there due to the new contender.

Darnit… the heat is ON this week!

It’s very likely that Maguuma and possibly Yak’s Bend will gain points next week, while Dragonbrand will lose points. That’s specifically because of how the ranking system works in terms of servers switching tiers.

That can be prevented if Dragonbrand does extraordinarily well, but I somehow doubt that Maguuma (who I believe just got some transfers) is going to be giving up an easy win any time soon.

The good news is that no one is likely to drop this week. The bad news is that Dragonbrand is still on a tear. I’ll be watching with bated breath — make it exciting!

Edit:

Oh wow. As of the most recent update (Tier 3: 1 hour ago; Tier 4: 35 mins ago), Dragonbrand is only 3.337 points behind Fort Aspenwood, and also only 3.849 points behind Isle of Janthir.

We’re looking at 0.512 ranking separating IoJ and FA — it’s possible that Dragonbrand may pass both of you by. I wish there was a live scoreboard!

Uh oh. I have been trying to get my Warrior leveled but looks like I will need to get on my ranger tonight and grab some supply camps. We will need all the points we can get I see.
Tough week for IoJ.

Edit to add that I do not agree that speccing into a more hybrid build over DPS hurts the group. If you have others that are more focused on DPS you will need someone to off set that to make the activity you are trying to complete go a little smoother. I think that can be the difference in doing a dungeon run and killing the boss with rez spamming over killing the boss with tactics and not dying over and over agian.

kendokken.3257:

The trinity isn’t there, no matter what you believe.

All they really did was remove the option to even play Trinity roles and not give us anythign else to use in it’s place. Instead they simply implemented a single role and we all fulfill only that one role. DPS.
Don’t get me wrong, all classes have some utilites, but they are used on top of your dps. Hence why they are usually also damage abilities with the utility tacked on top.

There is no way to tank in this game. I don’t care how you build or what class you are or even if you think you are a tank for your team. Bunker builds can take some damage, but even the AI will ignore them most of the time. Without aggro management tools there will never be a tank in this game.

The healing is abysmal in this game. Again I don’t care how you build you will never be a healer (as defined by Trinity style games) that can keep your team going through hell and back. You can spec to HELP your team, but if they are built full on DPS you aren’t saving them<period>

Also Overspeccing a character in either defense or support will actually be a detriment to your teams survival, YOU HAVE TO BUILD HYBRID for any of the group content. To me it’s a bad design, and I’m no fan of the trinity. But 1 option(hybrid) is certainly not better than than 4(trinity +hybrid) in other games.

I do not disagree with what you are saying as it is pretty spot on but you have to admit that you can push the different classes into different feeling roles. That seems to be the point. Yes we are all nothing but DPS with some sort of hybrid traits tacked on but by pushing those traits into a certain direction it gives the feel of the classes that needed difference.

My range anything feels and plays much different than my melee anything.
Same with pushing more healing into my build over extra DPS. It gives a different feel to the class I am playing in enough of a way to make it fun for me at least.

Kirshe.6872:

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gkrit.9416:

For example… What if I wanted to tank as an elementalist? The low health pool coupled with the stats of light armor would not even compare to that of a warrior.
This suggests that the devs still want professions to play out in a particular way.

Simply put, I believe bolded just isn’t true. Amor and health are from a lore + balance perspective. Not a role perspective. This is quite obvious really, considering Anet actively promoted the “no trinity!”-part. And as said, quite frankly ele’s can “tank”.
Now when Anet has no role perspective yet players perceive the roles to be there, how come?
Option 1: the roles are just factually there. Guardians are tanking, mesmers are dps’ing, or whatever roles you can come up with. Is this the case? No…..
Option 2: Indoctrination of the players. Looks like this is the case to me.

tl;dr trinity is only there if you believe it is.

I think what OP means is that while all classes do all three roles, still some classes can do it better. A warrior has a easier time tanking mobs then a elementalist, just like how a guardian is a better support class then a thief.

According to the NO trinity system, this should mean that my support thief is just as good as a guardian (aside from player-skill that is). Yet if you see the stats, armor and skills, its pretty obvious that Guardian was intended as a Tankish/Healer class while the Thief has more dps focused skills. I think this is what OP was trying to point out.

They do that to give the classes some type of different flavor. I am sure they could have normalized all of the classes but then you simply would have a different skin to pick at the character creator. And that would be pretty boring in my opinion.

I do not think it has anything to do with them trying to promote certain classes into specific roles. Again, that is done more so by the players because it is how we think from other games.

I do not feel I tank any less on my ranger than on my warrior as long as I am using the right traits, gear stats and skills. Just with a different flavor. I can spec heavy vit/toughness and use the right skills to mitigate damage pretty well as well as using my dogde for the big hitting skills just like my warrior would.

Guardians can feel a lot more squishy as well if you spec for more DPS. Mayby not to the extent of others classes but again that is for the flavor and feel of different classes being different.

I play a ranger. I can spec heavy into healing and with the addition of the gear, specific traits and picking the correct secondary skills along wiht my Elite Tree I can support / heal like a champ.
I can also spend 3 silver and 83 copper to go change my traits for heavy DPS, long range and by swapping gear or runes have a very classic feeling range glass cannon.
Once again by swapping around traits, gear and or runes and along with a quick weapon swap i can be much more tanky and hang in with the other melee and do just fine again.

I can do all of these things on my Necro as well as my Warrior.

All of the classes have the ability to play tanky, support / healing , or heavy DPS being it range or melee.

That is the point they are making with the trinity being much “less” in this game.

The game this fine imo. If players do not see or cannot understand how it is laid out I feel it is more of a player issue than the game. I know it may be hard for some to believe that a cloth wearing range that summons undead minions and loads of dots can throw on some daggers and switch some traits to melee with the best of them but they can.

Yes, some classes are leaning more towards one way than the others but none of them are locked into a specific role by the game itself. Only the players seem to do that because of past experience from other MMOss and RPGs.

CD seems to have a pretty good pop at least from what I see in WvW. The issue is most likely you are logging in on off hours for your server.

The reason you always saw people in GW1 no matter what time it was because it was a lobby based Co-Op RPG. All the people congregated in the same places then formed groups to go into instances to play.

That is a lot different model than how GW2 is set up. MMOs spread the pop a lot more and this game has huge areas compared to GW1 instances and cities.