Personally I would like ANet to continue removing the exclusivity of items. I’m not one to care about prestige. For example, I went after Trib skins because I wanted the skin, and I did that back in the first run, before any of this exploit nonsense. The only thing that bothers me about the exploit is that ANet is being inconsistent in its handling of how they punish exploits.
But people getting the skins? Hey, whatever. As long as they like the skin.
This is a video game, and there’s no need to do this whole “have and have not” thing like in real life. People need to get over their kittens, cause they’re really not all that big.
The base blue set, maybe. A completely separate color set, maybe. Green/Yellow/Orange? Nty.
Orange is on the TP. It drops from any of the modes, and is also available via a daily. Orange isn’t the prestige you think it is.
much like how players who might do a lot of SAB would feel terrible if say the King Toad skins were made available through a SPvP reward track,
Speaking as someone who has done World 1 Trib Mode at least 16 times (as I have the collection achievement), I would be okay with this happening. I want people to be in the Super Adventure Box because they enjoy it as much as I do. Not because they feel forced to in order to get access to something they want. I don’t want people to come to resent the glorious box of adventures.
If that means sacrificing my prestige, so be it.
You must play normal and hard mode SAB to get the skins.
Baubles can be turned into Bubble Baubles, chief. You can do nothing but easy mode, collecting baubles, and then turn them into bubble baubles and buy the blue skins that way. Sure, it takes longer, but it’s still possible.
Only tribulation mode skins are locked behind anything, which are the green and yellow ones.
Remember the days where you’d buy a physical game, and it had a warning right on the box that if it was opened you couldn’t return it? Good times.
Remember the days where you’d buy a physical game, and it would be a full game, with parts not taken out like a jigsaw puzzle, or missing entirely until a later date and then outright cancelled? Good times.
But did you actually have anything to say that isn’t an attempt to dehumanize me to discredit what I might have to say?
How about this? Regardless of what you may feel about legendaries, you 100% should still be worried about precedents like this. Because next time, it may well be something that you do in fact care about in this game.
I don’t give a toss about legendaries. The only way I’ve ever seen one in my characters’ hands is via the preview option. But I understand what it’s like having content I care about and have paid for being put on “indefinite suspension”.
Whether or not you care about legendaries, you should still care about this, and you shouldn’t be okay with it happening, because shrugging your shoulders at this will only reinforce to ANet that it’s okay to sell things and then not deliver on what they were selling.
Whether or not legendaries specifically being put on indefinite hold affects you, what it means when stuff like that happens does and will affect you.
Yeah, I’m a real monster I am. No empathy at all.
Except the way you phrase things and the things you have said aside of those quotes show that your…“empathy” is more in the line of “apathy”. You don’t care and a lot of your comments show that, because they come off as uncaring.
You can say “sorry for your loss” all you want. The rest of your posts show that you don’t actually mean that, or if you do, you mean it in a very limp manner where, again, you don’t care.
You also keep making snide remarks about the “more passionate people” as you call them.
But yeah, you’re totally over brimming with empathy. You’re such a caring fellow.
I can understand why someone might value their account. I can empathize with that.
Your posts thus far demonstrate otherwise, and continue to do so.
College kids puffing their chests out, with powerful, impassioned language of the do or die variety, determined to act on some greater value…
You know, as long as it isn’t inconvenient to do so.
You keep missing the point that it shouldn’t be inconvenient for the customers in this situation. Or if you’re not missing that point, you keep ignoring it.
As I said. You are clearly incapable of understanding. You don’t care about the current situation. You have said as such.
I can only say that I look forward to the day they hit something you do truly care about. Because maybe on that day you’ll be able to understand.
Then the player doesn’t feel as strongly about the subject as the bluster might indicate.
No, rather it’s the fact that ANet should be offering refunds without any strings attached.
People shouldn’t have to get their accounts closed in order to get a refund on something they paid for that is no longer being delivered.
What do you not get about this?
Putting myself in the position of the wronged and betrayed, I’m still not getting.
Then you are simply incapable of empathy/sympathy or understanding and it would be better for you to just stop posting in this thread, because in no way are you helping the situation.
If you don’t understand at this point, you will most likely never understand.
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Here’s a tip for anyone trying to sus out reward numbers: If you, yourself are not willing to do content under those kinds of rewards, then you have no business suggesting that level of reward for other people.
If you’re actually interested in debate and compromise, you’ll go from there.
I can’t play all of them if you add a hard gear check. I’d need to spend even more time (and money) to gear them all and have them ready for the Raid. We are not talking about one or two characters, more like 9.
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And so to be able to raid with all 9, you would have to do what is necessary, and gear them up.
I second STIHL’s proposal. If these “raiders” are going to oppose difficulty settings and the like, then there absolutely needs to be a hard gear check, instead to prevent these threads in the future. If people aren’t willing to put in the work to gear their characters, then they clearly don’t actually want to raid. That is what all the raiders have been saying after all. To “put in the work” to be “worthy” of raids.
So, let’s have a hard gear check and maddoctor can put in the work to gear his nine characters.
None of us need care that it makes it harder for him to raid, since he doesn’t care that the current setup makes it hard for others to raid. It’s a perfectly fair and valid proposal for STIHL to raise. Kudos to them.
Frankly there never should have been a raid design team to begin with. That would have fixed that problem right there.
As for the Legendary problem. That could have been fixed by never letting the economics team anywhere near the project. Every time they’ve touched something in the name of “economic health” it’s just turned the game into even more of a grinding chore.
It’s not canceled, just delayed.
Just like SAB.
After all, nothing is ever off the table. It just never leaves the table, either.
Oh hey, look. Yet another thing in GW2 that’s on indefinite suspension, just like SAB.
I’ll have to make a list of dates so I can properly send out anniversarry cupcakes for every year you guys fail to impliment the things you claim you’ll do.
If it’s “hard raid or nothing,” then I choose “nothing.”
Just so everyone is aware that Ohoni would happily shut down raids tomorrow to stop people having gear he won’t get.. Do not think his motivation is anything but hostile.
And you’re not even willing to consider anything that isn’t the current setup. Nobody should think that your own motivation is anything but hostile.
The entire point of raiding is the reward.
As Miellyn said:
If you only want to experience the content you don’t need the loot.
If you need the loot as an incentive to do that content you don’t want to experience it.
Take it up with them, it’s their words, not mine. I simply agree with those words and find them to be perfectly logical. As such, it only makes sense to remove rewards from raids.
If the only reason you’re doing raids is for the reward, then you clearly only want the reward and don’t care about the content, much the same as a lot of people here accuse Ohoni of. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
Remove rewards from all content. That way, only the people that truly want to do content, will do it.
Absolutely correct. Agreed.
If you only want to experience the content you don’t need the loot.
If you need the loot as an incentive to do that content you don’t want to experience it.
I agree.
As such, all rewards should be removed from raids. That way, only the people that truly want to raid, will raid.
“best statistical gear” is just a fancy way of saying “From a performance evaluations, statistically, the gear you can get at level 80 doesn’t differ from BiS”.
No, “best statistical gear” is just a different form of the words “gear with the best stats”, or for the MMO vernacular, a different way to say “best in slot”.
When ANet said even casual players should have the best gear, they meant the best gear. Period.
Actually I was here the whole time,
And you dragged GW2 over to your raiding mentality instead of leaving it alone and letting it remain a non-raiding game.
but glad to see “an eye for an eye” philosophy is still popular.. For a perceived wrong as well, just out of spite. Classy.
You want to talk about perceived wrongs? You percieve LFR as having been responsible for damage to the WoW raiding community that was never its fault. Everything that has happened to the raiding community in that game is the fault of the raiding community, and nobody else.
isnt that how we got to the state we are in now? people refusing to learn because there was no need to…
i am thoroughly against an easy mode, it would take away motivation to actually get betterIf someone doesn’t have the motivation to get better, then they don’t need it. Some people are just content with where they are.
That’s fine but they should stay where they are without dragging Raids over to them, thanks.
Nope, it’s only fair, since raiders refused to stay in their raiding games, and instead decided to drag GW2 over to them.
I can connect the dots just fine.
Your post suggests otherwise. If you’re so sure you connected the dots, why don’t you face the OP’s post head on?
Many of the original Guild Wars 1 devs are still here…but yes, the industry has changed. It’s more competitive. There’s more at stake.
Which means make the game less fun than more! GENIUS STRATEGY!
But it’s nice that you think highly enough of me to take pot shots like you used to. I’d thought you’d forgotten all about me.
I’d never forget about the white knight who claims that ANet has totally done things he doesn’t agree with, yet turns around constantly on said things and defends them, rather than actually holding the company to any kind of standard. You are, unfortunately, quite unforgettable.
There are plenty of fun achievements in this game with fun names, so I’m not really sure what you’re on about.
If you light all the fires in one of the fractals you get an achievement called If Only We Had Marshmellows. If you kill at the chickens in the city in the Charr fractal you get an achievement called Out of Cluck.
Implying the game isn’t fun because you liked some titles in the original game is sort of strange to me.
Tonight in the news, Vayne is unable to connect the dots. More at 11.
They filled that void by locking away things that small guilds already had worked for and you KNOW it.
In my opinion, it’s really never okay to take away what someone or a group has already spent time earning. It would have been possible to simply give guilds what they had before and let them work toward the new things. There still would have been plenty to do and it wouldn’t exactly have been game-breaking.
At this point, I’m convinced it’s a symptom of a larger problem. For all that ANet has added in 3 years, look at all the things they’ve also taken away, or re-done for the millionth iteration, and in so re-doing, still take something away or re-start the unlock process that people have already worked on.
I’ve never seen this at such a scale from any other MMO. This is the kind of stuff that I expect from an EA backed game.
And they “fixed” that with Heart of Thorns.
It wasn’t a problem for three years until ANet suddenly decided it was a problem and made it one.
But aside from that, do you really “quit” because they took the guild banners away? Were they so important that it was the sole reason to enjoy the game? So you are leaving for a couple of nearly useless buffs?
If those buffs are so useless, what’s the harm in letting the smaller guilds actually make use of them, still?
Up until recently, with the exception of WvW, large guilds had pretty much Triple Threat…maybe Tequatl. That’s pretty much the list.
So now, the answer is to leave smaller guilds in the dark. No wait, the answer is to take everything away that they had, AND THEN leave them in the dark.
Oh, and even though 3 people used to be a perfectly legitimate guild, and nobody ever had a problem with it, and ANet even recommended on several occasions that people make small personal guilds for some extra bank space, suddenly, out of nowhere, small guilds are a problem that were clearly never legitimate (even though they were), because ANet says so, and how could ANet ever be wrong?
But of course, Vayne is okay with it, so it MUST have been okay that ANet did this.
Anet is simply filling a void. And yes, some people will feel disenfranchised by it.
They filled that void by locking away things that small guilds already had worked for and you KNOW it.
But you ignore it, because it’s all okay, because everything ANet does is okay, every time.
All this talk about banks and loans in order to purchase a house, as well as getting lectured about economics is supremely depressing. I know how the real world works. Games are supposed to be a place to set that aside; a place where we get to dream and achieve and have fun.
Honestly, if making a precursor is analogous to taking out a loan from a bank, there’s something deeply wrong with the system. There’s nothing fun about having a mortgage.
I don’t think anyone expected ANET to mail them a precursor for purchasing HoT, but I do think people expected the “legendary journey” to be fun. At the very least, more than just an endless grocery list.
This is what happens when you let an economist run the show.
Fun fact, that’s pretty much exactly how Relic Weapons work in FF14
ATMA, Alexandrite, materia, oh my…
The first couple of stages were reasonable, but it escalated… quickly…
I’d say the materia portion is the worst, but yeah, the earliest stages are the best example of how to do it right, and I would even include the first atma phase in that, since even though it was, what, 25% droprate(?), the atmas could drop from any and every fate in the given zone and there were only 12 total to collect.
And you still got drops from mobs in those fates, as well as coin and company seals.
To be more clear, I think the best example of doing it right is the Braves Stage, wherein you take on various dungeons, quests, and challenges in order to power your weapon up, as well as the original initial stages of building the relic weapon itself.
Sadly, ANET has a history of making things that should be fun into thinly-veiled, flavorless gold- and/or time-sinks.
Yup
Precursor crafting would be a lot of fun for me if it was more along the lines of a scavenger hunt: do certain events, kill certain mobs, get certain ingredients, etc. I wouldn’t mind a long list of things to do, but for it to be fun for me some things would have to be true:
1. Items from killing certain bosses and mobs would have to be a given – I kill it; I get the item.
2. Events would have to work in such a way that if I participate in the event, then I receive the item or trophy or whatever.
3. Getting items from nodes would involve farming the right item and getting what I need without a lot of guesswork or grind.
4. Materials would have to be in amounts that it wouldn’t feel like a huge grind to do.
I don’t mind a long list of things to do, but I like the rewards to be a sure thing, not something I MIGHT get if I repeat the action dozens of times.
Fun fact, that’s pretty much exactly how Relic Weapons work in FF14
Spoiler end of story: Are you happy now?,
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Posted by: Gene Archer.8560
People seem to be full of testosterone and want to be the hero, imo this is a very immature behaviour: where in life are we the heroes?
Gee, it’s almost as though people like to play video games in order to get away from being just another cog in the wheel.
Nah, that’s just crazy thinking on my part, couldn’t be that.
Good riddance to that weed. Now if only the majority of the NPC sylvari race would follow along.
. I doubt ANet pays attention to any request unless their metrics back that request up.
And there’s no way for a player to know what the metrics are without sticking around since ANet never tells us anything until about, oh, 4 days before it’s gonna happen.
So I guess there’s the answer to why people don’t leave when they aren’t having fun. They stick around in the hopes that the game will change to how they want it, because maybe eventually they’ll be the metric in question, but since ANet never says anything, they definitely don’t leave because then they’ll miss their chance if they’re not there.
But yeah, since the hardcore junkies didn’t have the decency to leave, I wouldn’t expect the other side to leave any time soon. Expect either millions of posts complaining about the new difficulty curve, or expect a whole lot of nerfing in the coming months, since ANet can’t decide who it wants as its audience.
Why would they hang around playing a game that isn’t fun?
I don’t know. Ask all those people that wanted gear grinds, hard modes, uber challenging content, etc why they hung around and demanded ANet change the game from what it used to be.
But, since they stuck around and got their way with HoT, it’s only fair now that the other side sticks around and demands ANet change the game back to what it once was.
It’s a sad day, really, when just playing the game by doing the events is considered grinding.
That’s usually an indicator that the content within the game simply isn’t fun for one reason or another.
Don’t hold your breath, OP.
SAB is dead content, ANet just won’t admit it because then they might have to be held accountable to something.
Yeah – cant have any fun farming stuff in GW2!
Didn’t you know? You’re not actually supposed to ever get anything in this game. You’re just supposed to endlessly chase after it.
If you guys want fun and lighthearted festivals, you are playing the wrong MMO.
I’m serious. If you want fun and lighthearted festival stuff, where you just do some cute little quests or run some events a max of like, 20 times to collect festival currency, play FF14.
Their most recent Halloween event grants everyone who does the little quest line an “outfit” (quotations because it’s actually a set of themed gear pieces), a cute little pumpkin pet, and a broom mount.
And it’s just a set of cute little quests, no major hassle. Just a little something to have fun with. None of this grinding forever and spending thousands of gold stuff just to discover where an item is.
Stop trying to find fun in ANet’s holiday event set ups. You’ll just be disappointed.
Having the time of my life in the expansion. The game is a blast. I do, however, have trouble grinding through some of these forum posts.
Good thing the forums are optional, then.
Looks like JS just keeps protecting traders as the only ones allowed to have any gold in game.
Which begs the question, what good is having an economist for a game if it makes the game less fun?
It just makes ANet look like they will disregard their paying customers if and when they can. Which is fine, unless they want to foster any kind of customer loyalty or positivity.
There’s no “making it look like” about it anymore.
ANet absolutely disregards their paying customers if and when they can.
See: Continue Coin, Flame Armor, Karma Boosts, etc.
Guild Mission/Favor problem for 1-2 p guilds
in Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns
Posted by: Gene Archer.8560
I think small guilds should be able to acquire Favor. It certainly doesn’t impact large guilds in any way. Some of us would like to participate in building/decorating our guild halls, rather than just providing the materials and watching someone else have fun.
Sorry, but I guess you haven’t heard.
HoT is the expansion that’s all about only a select few being allowed to have any fun.
The truth hurts, does it not? :p
Nah, I just think that if you’re going to complain about toxicity then you shouldn’t be just as horribly toxic.
Actually is wasn’t an article, it was a blog. Blog most likely do not have to go through the editor first.
That still sounds like a reason for the editor to be ashamed. Since they have a policy in place where they’ll let any old blog get posted without being checked but then still reserve the right to take the article down after the damage has already been done, rather than, you know, make sure everything is good.
Or he posted without approval. Or he thought he had approval. Or was told to get some comments from ANet and didn’t. Who knows. Article went live, editor took it down. That’s all we know.
According to the reddit thread, the dude has been a writer for a good number of years. I highly doubt he’d post without approval. Not if he’s getting as chewed out as is being suggested.
@Aerwyna
A noble sentiment. One that I agree with actually, and I honestly applaud you for it.
But, this is the internet we are talking about. The place where every mental-child can hide behind their computer monitors and say whatever they want without fear of repercussion.
It’s a sad state of affairs, really… Everyone with an axe to furiously grind, or who thinks that can do everything better then the people doing it, comes out in droves and screams like babies…
Why? Because they can.
All I can say is, unfortunately… so long as this Anonymity of the internet prevails, there is little we can do about the angry children who throw their temper-tantrums. If they get truly vitriolic in Map (or any other) chat, report them for Verbal Abuse.
No they wouldn’t. :p
The vast majority of internet babies are far too cowardly to step out from behind their computer monitors to ever do such a thing.
The moment any possibility of real repercussions comes up, regardless of what those repercussions might actually be, the majority of internet trolls suddenly find a way to control themselves.
Kind of amazing really, when you look at it…
It’s hilarious how you claim to agree with the OP and yet your posts are the very definition of toxic.
Seeing as the people working for the site refuses to actually tell people what happened, I would say we most likely don’t have the full story. Even when outright asked if they where forced to take it down they simply spun it around and refused to answer.
that gives you your answer right there… if they cannot be open and say what happened, then it is likely Anet forced them to remove it.
on second thought it could be the employee was fired for posting something he was directed not to….
Or maybe his editor thought it was a shoddy article and had it taken down and the original writer doesn’t want to talk about it because he is embarrassed or furious at his editor.
Many people, even the ones who agree with him on the general idea, felt the article was shoddy in many ways, and his editor could very well be someone who believes as such as well.
So what you’re saying is…that his editor let him post the article before bothering to…edit the article?
Sounds like the editor is the one that should feel ashamed.
Scarcity and locking weapons behind challenging content adds value to the weapon. More so if the weapon has some cool lore behind it.
I disagree with the first part, but not the second. Lore is definitely an important facet in…pretty much every game, ever.
Making weapons easy to obtain devalues it. Especially if you can obtain it by literally doing whatever you want, which is what Ohoni proposes.
Again, I disagree. I’m not really going to get into this, though. I’ve already done this loop in a thread that Ohoni made that was deleted awhile back, and I don’t feel like doing it, again.
Suffice to say: My brain doesn’t fire its electrons in the same way as people who need something to be unique and rare for it to have value. Like, to a point where I really don’t understand the fascination.
I dunno about you, but personally I couldn’t care less about participation trophies. Obtaining them doesn’t feel as a reward to me.
I don’t like participation trophies, either. They’re just a physical reminder that you lost. And nobody likes to lose.
But I don’t agree that easy to get items are a participation trophy, much less that it’s even comparable.
Even for people outside of the guild it’s exciting to see someone with an incredibly rare weapon that you’ve never seen with your own eyes before.
I wouldn’t know, because I’ve never felt this. I mean, don’t get me wrong, seeing the weapon is cool. I wouldn’t argue that (though even then, personal aesthetics would come into play, so I may in fact not care at all as you walk around showing the weapon off).
But I’ve never cared an iota about the person the item is attached to.
I guess the best way to put it is: I’m not looking at -you- in awe. I’m looking at the -weapon-, because theoretically it’s the first time I’ve seen the weapon, and theoretically it’s a weapon that aligns with my personal aesthetics.
As for a correction to your example, and to illustrate my own: your friend didn’t get Frostmourne, but they probably got Shadowmourne, because that is a possible high rarity drop when paladins, warriors, and DKs are in a raid.
Shadowmourne is an axe, though, which have never had aesthetics that I have cared for. So in your example, had your friend waltzed into town and declared his obtaining of Shadowmourne, or just been noticed or whatever, I would be the guy taking a quick look, going “meh” and just going about my business.
So I generally don’t “get” that whole deal.
You’ve been informed wrongly.
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Actually he’s been informed correctly.
Frostmourne has never been available as a drop from the Lich King on the official servers. The only way that could have happened is on a private server.
15-minute content isn’t content.
15-minute content is content.
No it’s not.
Yes it is.
15-minute content isn’t content.
15-minute content is content.
You can live without the rewards.
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So can raiders.
So I’m glad we’re in agreement: remove rewards from raids.
There is a reason raids in other games usually have very little RNG but bosses drop good loot all the time.
lolwut?
I’d love to know which raid based MMOs you’ve been playing, because they sure as hell aren’t any of the most recent ones, aside from maybe FF14.
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The notion that ANet been sitting on these and are refusing to release them is absurd,
No more absurd than you continuing to post in this thread.
This is ANet. The absurd can never be ruled out when it comes to them.