Hehe. I actually got infracted twice today. One for the Pyro thread and again for bumping OMFG… /Conspiracy!?
So question to the mods who like to act like machines when it’s convenient to them, why bother infracting me rather than just accepting the numerous requests for this thread to be stickied? We kinda assumed we were SUPPOSED to bump this thread to keep it more visible than it would be if it were stick’d.
But.. before I get infracted again for questioning my infraction or not “contributing to the discussion in a meaningful way”, how has your experience with the OMFG been? Are there anything you’d like to see changed or improved upon? Has the guild helped you out as a Mesmer?
Sounds rather silly given the name of the guild, but is there perhaps another forum we could use or start that you’d have control over so threads can stop getting deleted? Pyro’s ban is an actual issue that the mesmer community is concerned about and there are things we can learn from it, but unfortunately we can’t discuss it here.
A non-official forum for the official mesmer forum guild, if you will.
I wouldn’t say no, but I’d rather other things get fixed or added first. As it is now, there’s really no room in our builds for a movement speed trait and our utilities are far too useful to give up a slot.
You mentioned runes, but they’re really not a bad option. Speed runes, traveler runes, centaur runes with mantra heal or an endless tonic. Also focus with boon duration food. There are ways for us to get 100% swiftness without having to give up a trait or utility slot.
I wish people would stop saying “thief counters mesmer.” That’s simply not true. No one profession counters any other in this game. What you meant to say was “this specific thief build is very effective against this specific mesmer build.”
If you’re having problems against thieves, then consider changing your build to be effective against them. Of course that might lower your effectiveness in other areas, but that’s the trade off.
Lol. Thieves counter mesmers EASILY, and in my opinion, they’re the hard counter to them. A lot of mesmer skills require a target to be used, so many skills can’t be used while a thief is stealthed.
There are plenty of counters built into the class. If a thief runs d/d then they can just CnD on the clones. They have so many ways avoiding a mesmer’s damage too. Along with this, their short bow auto attack bounces off the clones, giving them extra hits and killing the mesmer’s shatter damage. Most good thieves can beat a mesmer by using short bow 90% of the time.
Really the only chance a GOOD mesmer has vs a GOOD thief is if they predict their backstabs/ cluster bomb bursts using distortion or blurred frenzy, or if they somehow catch a thief (who has plenty of evades) with a full shatter.
Thief in the past has PREVENTED teams from running a mesmer, because thieves counter most glass cannons, especially mes. And yes, i’m talking about glass cannon mes and glass cannon thief, because those are the only viable builds they have in high level play.
I really don’t know what to say except practice more or change your build. Consider how viable your one build really is if you’re getting shut down so easily.
I wish people would stop saying “thief counters mesmer.” That’s simply not true. No one profession counters any other in this game. What you meant to say was “this specific thief build is very effective against this specific mesmer build.”
If you’re having problems against thieves, then consider changing your build to be effective against them. Of course that might lower your effectiveness in other areas, but that’s the trade off.
I wanna try talking like this guy, it’s hilarious.
Truly the stubbornness you have shown in lending an ear to the numerous criticisms placed upon your amateurish build have caused me to regard you as a lost cause, thus I bid you adieu and pray earnestly that you never materialize on my pvp roster.
I don’t have to unlock it but I want to. And what if some of the runes/traits/sigils turn out to be incredibly strong? Then I’m just weaker than everyone else because I’m poor. I would have to win ~475 games in a row just to earn enough gold for all my characters. That’s assuming I win every single one! Instead of playing the next 1000 games kitten I’m just not going to play.
If you decide you want to unlock it here’s a strategy you can use:
Step 1: Play the game. (Any mode/content you want!)
Step 2: Use the resources you’ve garnered from completing step 1 to purchase your new amulets/traits!
If step 1 doesn’t seem possible for you, then you don’t like gw2 and it doesn’t matter anyway.
I run scepter/pistol and sword/torch in pvp/wvw and love it. Scepter and pistol pair really well together, as you can summon your #4, stun with #5 and then immediately begin channeling #3. It’s glorious when it works as they’ll eat a full round of bullets from the phantasm and most, if not all, of the #3 ticks will hit.
84. Great PvP community. I often think of it as a swiss knife…just that instead of adapting to whatever the circumstances are, it’s just a bunch of tools.
Living Story events last for a month. The patch on March 4th will last for 2 weeks coinciding with the remainder of the original month’s Living Story update.
Why is this still a question?
Because Anet should personally call me everyday in case I have a question. Otherwise they’re not being clear and are failing to be open with their community.
I made the mistake to open up 20-30 of those freaking bags (Already have something like two stacks just wanted to give them a try >.<) all i got is my inventory full of crap worth nothing, pve gear (Like 3 silvers maybe..wow i’ll get more just going stomping random nabs in hj) unknown stuff probably needed to craft something you’ll get only going pve (ofc) and some zergs vs doors boosters…
I play pvp only..now tell me, am i supposed to be happy bout those bags? Srsly
No way these are the thoughts of a real human being. Spvp’s finest, everyone.
spvp Forum: “wtf who r u 2 tell me wut 2 do?!?! U work for anet,kittenwe have a RIGHT to be toxic/terrible/immature”
I wonder what the average age of this forum is.. I’m guessing somewhere around 15. A whole lot of insecure, awkward teenage angst being unleashed on Anet in these forums.
The pvp community is so toxic. Full of piranhas who want a taste of blood. The nastiness that some display clutters the truly intelligent posters attempting to communicate the needs of this community. For shame.
Quoting this because it’s true. So much entitlement. And for everyone’s information, just because Anet asks for suggestions doesn’t mean that they’re then obligated to implement your terrible ideas. I’ve seen plenty of instances where Anet has changed something based on community feedback, but they are the game designers, not you.
I play spvp and I’m still having a great time. I know changes are coming and I’ll enjoy those too when they arrive. I don’t feel personally betrayed by Anet. It’s hilarious how many threats of “I’m gonna quit I swear!” there are in this thread. Honestly we’d all be better off if those of you making those threats made good on them and went and played something else. We all know it’d be a matter of days before you’re on the forums of that new game complaining about something.
The most broken thing about spvp is it’s forum community.
Don’t We are pretty much the worst class when it comes to S/TPvP. Go with another class if you want to play them modes.
Go away.
I also have the same question – have a 50ish ele that I’d like to get the hang of by playing pvp. Any recommendations on builds for hot join/soloQ?
Seriously, we are VERY weak in S/TPvP right now, unless you like getting melted in seconds then i would suggest not playing S/TPvP. Sure, some “okay” builds like Fresh Air or something but even with that, you will still die A LOT.
Some people enjoy playing the underdog profession. If the extent of your advice is “play something else” then thanks, noted – now please go away.
Not a bonus for me. You get 40 of them per match, it fills up your inventory and fills it up even more if you open them. I seriously cba to open them, I’m just gonna destroy all of them when my inventory is getting too full.
So it’s ok for Mesmer clones to do all the work while the Mesmer themselves is in stealth, but its not ok for a thief to retain stealth for being blocked?
Lots of boons and stealth(the most kittened implementation of stealth in any game ever lol). And the now im visible for a few seconds, now im not and everyone drops target …… now im visible for a few seconds, now im not, everyone drops target.
And as an added bonus you can summon whatever phantasms you like in stealth without breaking stealth. Plus ur piling up prot, regen, aegis.
Yes I agree mesmers have stealth and it’s disorienting to fight against.
I’m not here to say if PU is OP or not, ‘cause I really don’t care about that. I just think that it’s a crutch build due to how brainless it is. That’s all.
And I deal with BS thieves by dodging, evading with BF, or stealth. Generally they’re dead before they get the chance.
AoE doesn’t bother my illusions since I fight up close and personal to make use of Illusionary Persona. I don’t try and shatter clones from 1200 range like you seem to assume I have to. It’s called lining them up properly.
With conditions I wait them out honestly, since I rarely get hit in the first place. I don’t run condi removal in my roaming set ups. (Decoy, blink, portal) My entire survival is based on proper positioning and evades.
Also I run Sw/T & GS, full zerker. As I said, traits are 10/20/10/0/30.
Anything else? Playing the same way for a year you kinda get good at what you do.
The problem isn’t that other builds aren’t more viable. It’s that other builds aren’t as easy as PU.
Shatter is perfectly viable. Condition builds without PU are viable. The “problem” is that it’s harder and more risky to roam with this way, and people don’t like that. Players want everything handed to them easy mode, and it seems the new mesmer community is quickly going down that same mindset route.
This is why PU is a crutch. Players do well with it, think it’s because they’re a good mesmer so they try something else and fail. “Well PU is our only viable option.”
No. It’s because while you’re using a build that allows you to ignore half of the classes mechanics, and ignore basic game mechanics (map awareness, smart dodging), you progressively become more and more dependent on the build that allows you to do all of this and can’t be bothered to learn anything else.
This is why I’ve said in every thread about this topic: The type of players that this build has spawned are embarrassing to me and if/when the nerf happens I’ll be more than happy to see them drop the class.
I can see the threads now: “PU build nerf! Mesmer destroyed can’t possibly play moving to warrior.”
What a condescending point of view. You can make the “crutch” argument for any defensive ability or trait. PU really only shines in duels and WvW roaming, 90% of which is dominated by thieves and warriors. I happen to enjoy duels and roaming. Sorry, but I don’t feel like my “gw2 honor” has been compromised when I’m now able to compete with my opponents. When I play PvE, PvP or zerg WvW I don’t trait PU because it’s not useful for those game modes. If it makes you feel better about yourself to play without PU then go for it, but it’s a pretty arrogant mindset to assume PU users are inferior players. PU is a tool to be used, look at osicat – he plays PU, has superior map awareness, understands smart dodging, links weapon skills together effectively, shatters. How can you argue that he’s not using the profession to its fullest potential?
And all this talk about the glory days of when people had respect for mesmers because they played builds which required skill is nonsense. Players of other professions have always complained about mesmers because they’re inherently confusing to fight against.
It’s pretty simple. People don’t like to lose 1v1 fights. PU builds happen to be very strong in 1v1 fights. Therefor, people love to complain about PU.
Except stealth is a main feature of the class. This post is a pretty great example of how people make arguments to nerf something that they really don’t understand.
Nonsense.
One weapon skill on base 30s CD. Two utility skills, 40/90s CD. One elite, 180s, obviously not designed for single-target. Not tied to class mechanics in any way. A single GM trait tied to stealth (The dueling stealth trait counter-acts a stealth-heavy build. It’s also broken and has a horrendous CD).
Yes, we have stealth. No, it is not in any way imaginable a main class feature.
The fact that mesmer stealth is 75% utilities and elite should tell you all you need to know.
Your argument for why it isn’t a key feature of the class is the same as my argument for why it is. Four different ways of accessing stealth, one of which should really count twice (veil) makes it seem prominent to me.
Not going to argue the semantics of “main class feature” with you so I guess we can just agree to disagree.
I think it has become common practice for some people, when they get killed 1v1, to go on forums and start a fuss about nerfing that profession. I don’t think you have anything to worry about. Game developers make their own observations and assumptions, they don’t base their game on a bunch of whiners’ opinions.
This. 100% this. It’s the same reason you see people crying for a prismatic understanding nerf for mesmers. Rather than learning from a loss and doing the work to understand how a class/build/trait works, the majority of people will assume the loss was not their fault and the opponent is “op.”
It’s a grandmaster trait (XII) in the arguably overall worst trait line mesmers have (chaos), yet everyone is running it. That alone should tell you that something’s wrong.
PU is a sad and continuing attempt to hide the fact that the Chaos line has bad synergy, both with itself and the rest of the lines.
PU turns stealth, a mechanic that is not a main feature of the class into a very powerful tool. When a class that’s not based around stealth suddenly gets a lot more of it combined with aegis-regen-prot spam you get a broken class.
Except stealth is a main feature of the class. This post is a pretty great example of how people make arguments to nerf something that they really don’t understand.
For years I played a game made by a company in Europe. They’d drop their updates while I was asleep, or at work. I didn’t run onto their forums moaning about how they “hate north america” or whatever.
Agreed, there should not be a WvW rank requirement for getting a Legendary. They need to understand that some players don’t want to WvW. And for those WvW players that complain about having to do PvE stuff to earn a Legendary, I fully support you in requesting that they add WvW-only options for getting those elements too.
Getting a Legendary should require participation in all aspects of the game.
