Guild Wars 2

OP,

Your post is intellectually dishonest.

First off, you’re putting forth a vague strawman over a vaguely defined group of large people, and effectively dismissing and using a trivial rebuttal “it’s only one week” to this vaguely defined, irrational argument that you suggest many are using without really trying to figure the cause of what might make people feel this way. Maybe it’s more than one thing. It is clear that you don’t share the same concerns as people, but it’s also clear that you’ve made zero effort to understand the context and made your own up— while their have been posts that were threatening some kind of quitting, that was not the case from most posts.

Secondly, if people were truly that irrationally centered, their arguments can just safely be ignored. But you chose to focus on the worst. In that case, there’s really no topic for discussion. As the forum specialist for that forum, I know it’s a pain to read but there’s just a lot of posts where if you feel there’s just no attempt at objectivity whatsoever that it should just be ignored. I completely ignore posts with excessive attacks on people and Arenanet but there’s certainly quite a few people that don’t do that. I don’t go on talking about the former.

Third, the problem with this thread is that for the most part, the character and attitude of the complainers doesn’t diminish the validity of their complaints. By focusing on this, you are kind of ignoring the other side of the matter, and that would be what Arenanet could be doing to help bridge the gap. Even if we assume players are irrational and easily provoked to anger, there’s nothing we can do to change the way individuals behave. But a business can change its way of interacting with customers. That’s business. Sometimes your customers are finicky but you can’t just be like “Oh no, they’re so mean!” unless you choose not to do business with them.

In other words, this thread is about complaining about people complaining, which doesn’t really help Arenanet improve their product. I mean think about what you did. You made a thread about people making useless feedback. That can be true, but so… ? This doesn’t mean what you bring up is invalid, but you need to realize it really does take two to tango and how there may be a way to bridge these gaps between player and developer. It is true that a lot of complaints I feel are trying to project one’s opinions onto the entire populace which is fallacious, but to seemingly lump them all into one category without thinking about cause and effect is another.

If we have absolutely no trust in a game, how can we support it?

Well, that’s the problem. Trust isn’t a given. It has to be earned.

“Give us some feedback on those balance changes.”

Malediktus.3740:

10% is still miniscule
10% more stats on ascended wont make you 10% more powerful, since a huge part of your stats come from the 1000 baseline anyway.

I dont buy this.

5% was miniscule, 10% is miniscule… Some people will keep throwing out that it makes no difference.
When the people who opposed it also presented the slippery slope-argument. And seeing as the gap is now increasing, it seems they were proven right.

If WvW stat boosts are removed (applied fort/strength) because of players getting a statistical advantage over new players, why in the godkitten is ascended still allowed and even getting buffed?

Talk about a statistical advantage. And it’s earned not so much through WvW but PvE. As outside of trinkets, every other ascended piece of gear (armor, weapons, back) are not practically available from WvW. (No i dont consider an ultra rare chest with random stats practically available)

Yes this is in fact illegal. Please be sure to provide the internet police with the appropriate account names/fraps recordings/other circumstantial evidence so that we can be sure that justice will be swift.

Dawdler.8521:

Hexalot.8194:

Dawdler.8521:

Hexalot.8194:

We all knew from day one what to expect when jumping into WvW. And ANet has also been very clear (from day one) that WvW is balanced together with PVE.

Which you know, still doesnt really explain away the guard stacks. There are no guard stacks in PvE last time I checked.

Those were added to WvW later. But it was still in keeping with the general theme that they gave you more options on how you could customize your builds in WvW (many players actually created builds around Guard stacks) compared to vanilla PVP.

Which is exactly why it shouldnt even be in the game. Builds are supposed to be built around the professions themselves, not specific boons or buffs. Same reason why certain food is considered OP, or certain runes. Also same reason why such things has even been nerfed. Remember the omnomberries? There was only one food in the meta originally. Its like being presented with a popup as soon as you enter WvW. “Would you like to have more power and vitality? If so, click yes. If not, click no”. I’d like to hear your reasoning for clicking no.

If they really “need” these stacks, then just increase base character stats. Boom done. Increased in PvE, increased in PvP. Same for everyone. No silly guard stacks specific to WvW.

They aren’t preventing any kind of power creep, they are just removing the only one that was WvW based. People that PvE, or craft can still come in with legendaries and ascended gear/weapons. They can have unique food buffs/utilities, runes and sigils that you can’t get from WvW. Hell, you can get strength, toughness and regen boosters if you are willing to spend money on black lion keyes.

Why remove the one that WvW players had to work for and let PvE players keep their stat advantage?

Thats awesome!
I like these kinds of posts
They make me feel all warm and fuzzy!

Next time on GW2 forums:

“Remove WvW because I don’t play it”

coming soon

Atlas.9704:

Yes WvWvW should get something that is solely theirs.
Mainly due to my belief that they sometimes get treated like the unloved step child chained to the radiator.

Sometimes?

And now remove the PvE map completion. Else where I will not get any Gift of Exploration because PvE map completion is a boring mindless grindfest which I don’t enjoy.

First 10 minutes wasted on some childrens coloring book no one cared about, gg.

I’m going to chat with Expansion Content Designer Nellie Hughes and Expansion Systems Designer David Webb about the Mastery system. We’ll get an overview of how the system works and what it does

^An outright lie, we saw gliding yes but we saw absolutely nothing about the mastery system itself.

The gliding and new zone was nice to see but the stream was mediocre at best.

There are those of us that have not allowed our hopes to be raised. That way we won’t be disappointed but may be happily surprised. To answer your question though – People were raging before, having them continue to do so afterwards would be no different.

I think part of playing the game is learning to be aware of the direction you’re dodging in, and the consequences of doing so, no?

What will happen to them and the rest of the audio forum when the new forum takes place?

Here is what the forums will look like effective December 9:

News and Info

News and Announcements
Game Release Notes
Dev Tracker

Support

Account and Technical Support (Mac Tech support will be rolled into this sub-forum)
Bugs: Game, Forum, Website

Game Discussion

Guild Wars 2 Discussion
Living World Discussion
PvP Discussion
WvW Discussion
Lore
CDI (Collaborative Development Initiative)

Professions

Elementalist
Engineer
Guardian
Mesmer
Necromancer
Ranger
Thief
Warrior

Community Corner

Player Helping Players
API Development
Community Creations
Looking for… (Guild, PvP Team, WvW Recruitment)
In-Game Events

+1 for free legendary when you start the game

We are getting them by the end of 2013.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/looking-ahead-guild-wars-2-in-2013/

Stephapanda.5804, I love you. There I’ve said it. Come with me into the dead zone formerly known as leveling an alt.

Let us join our newbies together, and follow the arrows into zones where we can press 1. And then press 1 again. Let us marvel at the vistas we’re not allowed to see, let us wonder at the resource nodes we’re not allowed to touch until lvl 10. Let us gasp with wonder when our 3 button becomes unlocked.

Come with me, Stephapanda.5804, and we shall make beautiful drooling noises as we bang the keyboard with our foreheads! (Assuming our keepers untie us enough, else, I’m afraid I’ll have to use one of these sippy birds to hit 1 for me. It probably won’t be a noticeable difference.

[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8IjodUA1Jlc/UILy9d6aWUI/AAAAAAAACFU/N8Vp408q5ek/s1600/birds2.jpg[/img]

Anet : “doesn’t matter, bought gems lol”

I have map completion on all of the WvW maps and it’s really lame that I actually have to step into the PvE world to do the rest of the WC where it’s all these no talent scrubs PvEing. I think it’s asinine that I actually have to play the game to get what I want

People quit playing fort aspenwood because jade quarry gives better faction rewards. There was a time, long ago, where nobody played jade quarry at all. If you wanted to map the jade quarry for cartography completion, you had to get a group together for both teams to queue together so everyone could get inside and map complete. It was completely dead otherwise. Then at some point they buffed the rewards and people started playing jade quarry.

Now with the upcoming changes to instance ownership it’s going to be more important that people do not get kicked for the wrong reasons.
Having ownership transfer if the instance owner leaves is awesome… but the side effect is that it could also open the floodgates to the cesspool of nastiness through the votekick system.
It will be too much of a no-mans land when you go and use the LFG function. Nobody has any authority and it’s creating a very volatile party system.
It’s also very troubling that you can now kick people at the end of a dungeon, with a high barrier for repercussions for doing so.

Therefor there needs to be some restrictions.
I feel there needs to be some discussion had on how far these restrictions should go.
People should not be worried that they might get kicked for bad reasons.

Ideas of restriction

- You can’t kick the creator of an instance / ‘’party leader’‘.
- Party leader can assign who is or isn’t open for kicking.
- Kicking requires 3 votes
- Kicking someone in combat requires 3 votes
- Kicking someone who has left combat less than 3 minutes ago requires 3 votes
(kicking afk people should still be a valid reason, kicking people cause they have to use the bathroom quickly shouldn’t).
- New system where there’s a party leader who has tools to influence the kicking from the party (such as amount of votes / immunity for other players as well). Can vote for a new party leader if that person is afk for [x] minutes. (Going offline counts as going afk)

Now the biggest issue there is, what is a valid reason for kicking someone… and when is it “fair” to do so.
For me personally it’s mostly when people fail to communicate with the party.
Not doing what is expected of people can lead to frustrating situations but I personally feel that, unless it’s done to create that frustration, it’s not a valid reason to do so.
And a bad attitude.

I’ll expand the list with idea’s provided by others in the topic.

lol @ all the farmers who think theyre entitled to exploit the game and that anyone who interferes is just a self righteous troll.