Guild Wars 2

Complains about elite specs being needed for meta builds.
Compares it to wow where there is literally only ONE way to play a class correctly in pvp
Good talk

Insanity.5174:

I think genji is the hardest.

Nah, bastion is deffently the hardest to play

There will never be new classes added, revenant was added to fill the gap of the missing 3rd heavy armor profession.
Any concept for a new class will become an elite spec.
Just adding 9 more elite specs is a HUGE amount of work and balancing let alone adding entire new professions with all their elite specs included. Revenant already lacks a lot of the fundamental depth that other classes have, i REALLY doubt anet would be able to come up with a fresh base profession that they could also comfortably expand on with future elite specs whithout severely hampering their design decisions for the other professions elite specs.
Bottom line, we arnt going to get more professions, just exoticly themed elite specs for existing proffesions that essentially are like new proffesions

Donari.5237:

In an AMA they said that elite specs are things that come with expansions. I was sad. No new ones ’til the next expack.

Thats false, they said the exact OPPOSITE. They said elite specs are something that doesnt necessarily require an expansion to be released, and that we could see them come along with living story releases

It would be cool, sure
But its not going to happen. It would further complicate the problem they have been trying to address for years, which is visual clutter and people spectating the game being able to decern what is happening.

Troll thread.
Move along

There wont be a guild wars 3, if anything, they would just use the name Guild Wars followed by some other work or title

Example:
Guild Wars: sequal
Guild Wars: New Tyria
Something along those lines
But regardless, it most likely wont happen, and if it does it wont be for at least another 10 years or more

So you barley (if at all) dabbled in some of the game modes and come to the forums to complain about depth?
K.

Them killing you at the end of the match doesnt “pad their KDR” it has absolutely no effect whatsoever on anything. Like others said, all thats happening here is your getting your ego bruised for whatever reason just because someone is killing your essentially AFK character.
As soon as the match ends just LOOK AT THE STATS. Theres no reason to pay any attention to whats happening on the map after that, your deliberately choosing to be bothered by something that doesnt even matter

Burtnik.5218:

Kayberz.5346:

Burtnik.5218:

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

zinkz.7045:

Burtnik.5218:

Revenant is underpowered actually

Which is why none of the ESl teams use one, oh wait they pretty much all use one, and before the latest class stacking rule, of the four teams in the semi-finals of the pro-league there were 7 revs, your opinion does not seem to match the reality, here is some more reality for you – http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/ .

I didnt said Herald, i said Revenant

There’s no difference since you can’t f2p core revenant.

What f2p has to do with revenant? Herald is not a core line.

You can’t just DL the free game and play revenant, and when you buy the game you get access to all the revenant’s lines. This makes ALL of revenant CORE revenant b/c there is NO f2p option on revenant. Understand now?

Also what original classes are viable not using their elite specs?

Oh so in future i will be able to go for retribution, herald +new elite spec? Good to know!

This is a complete nonsense argument, your talking about some imaginary future elite spec that we have no idea how it would function, any loss the revenant would take by not taking herald could be more than compensated for with how the new elite spec works, thats the whole point of the 1 elite spec system, to make powerful builds that cant be used together but are compensated by having their own unique strengths.

For all you know the next elite spec for revenant could be some condi cleansing monster with pulsing stability, so talking about the viability of some imaginary future revenant build is pointless because you dont even know what it IS

L2r or dont talk please. He said herald is a core traitline so by that logic i should be able to use herald with a new elite spec.

Learn some reading comprehension, he said that if you are playing a revenant, it means you have heart of thorns, which means you have access to elite specs. Revenant automatically has access to herald no matter what, so you not playing the class to its full potential like intended is no ones fault but your own. It doesn’t mean the class revenant is underpowered, it means your utilization of the classes available tools is lacking because of your own set limitations that you choose to impose upon yourself by not using herald

Burtnik.5218:

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

zinkz.7045:

Burtnik.5218:

Revenant is underpowered actually

Which is why none of the ESl teams use one, oh wait they pretty much all use one, and before the latest class stacking rule, of the four teams in the semi-finals of the pro-league there were 7 revs, your opinion does not seem to match the reality, here is some more reality for you – http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/ .

I didnt said Herald, i said Revenant

There’s no difference since you can’t f2p core revenant.

What f2p has to do with revenant? Herald is not a core line.

You can’t just DL the free game and play revenant, and when you buy the game you get access to all the revenant’s lines. This makes ALL of revenant CORE revenant b/c there is NO f2p option on revenant. Understand now?

Also what original classes are viable not using their elite specs?

Oh so in future i will be able to go for retribution, herald +new elite spec? Good to know!

This is a complete nonsense argument, your talking about some imaginary future elite spec that we have no idea how it would function, any loss the revenant would take by not taking herald could be more than compensated for with how the new elite spec works, thats the whole point of the 1 elite spec system, to make powerful builds that cant be used together but are compensated by having their own unique strengths.

For all you know the next elite spec for revenant could be some condi cleansing monster with pulsing stability, so talking about the viability of some imaginary future revenant build is pointless because you dont even know what it IS

Its not called a loose thread if we literally arent even chronologicaly at the part of the story where this even COULD be addressed.
As far as the stories narrative is concerned, mordremoth JUST died, as in moments ago. Its not a loose thread, its a future plot point.

Sirendor.1394:

I appreciate the effort you’ve done ronpierce, and I do think that your suggestions are on the right track… however they are not enough.

For example: thief getting stolen skills twice… honestly that will not bring them at the same level as daredevil. And just because mesmer gets Distort and chrono doesn’t, chrono will still be stronger overall. Same applies for Berserker not getting the normal burst skills, but only his berserker burst skills.

- So if I say it’s not enough, what needs to be done to make it enough?

In this thread and many other threads there have been suggestions of making the ‘base class’ trait line LOCKED for elite specialisations. That way they don’t have access to it, so they give up stuff for picking their elite specialisations. Elite specialisations have too much synergy with the base class trait lines.

For example trickery is an awesome trait line, so is daredevil, makes sense that daredevil loses it. Same applies for all the other classes.

The elites are SUPPOSED to have synergy with base specs, a few years from now your builds are supposed to consist of 1 elite spec and 2 base specs, but at that point there would be multiple elite specs to choose from.
If you dont want to use an elite spec thats fine, but dont expect to be able to compete with people who are actually OPTIMIZING their class by taking advantage of new abilities available to them.

You guys are assuming that all legends for revenant have to be characters we already know.
Theres nothing stopping anet from creating a new legendary character that has long been dead but that we CURRENTLY dont know about, such as heros from past dragon rises or maybe some important tengu hero we dont know about at the moment because of them having cut themselves off from everyone for over 100 years

Burtnik.5218:

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

zinkz.7045:

Burtnik.5218:

Revenant is underpowered actually

Which is why none of the ESl teams use one, oh wait they pretty much all use one, and before the latest class stacking rule, of the four teams in the semi-finals of the pro-league there were 7 revs, your opinion does not seem to match the reality, here is some more reality for you – http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/ .

I didnt said Herald, i said Revenant

There’s no difference since you can’t f2p core revenant.

What f2p has to do with revenant? Herald is not a core line.

So what, just because you want to be some kind of hipster and not use elite specs doesnt mean you can ignore them.
Elite specs are here to stay, and if your playing a revenant at all you automatically have access to it. You want to handicap yourself by playing suboptimal builds? Go ahead, but to then say the class is underpowered because your playing it wrong is rediculous
Kinda like how you preached that enchanted daggers was “underpowered” because you were using incorrectly as a “oh kitten” button yet anet actually NERFED its healing amount because it was too overturned for its purpose when taking the ENTIRE class into perspective

I wouldnt be surprised if they made some tengu character a legend for a samurai themed greatsword elite spec

ronpierce.2760:

Kayberz.5346:

Your assessment that the problem will only get worse as more elite specs are released is completely false, the whole problem stems from there ONLY being 1 elite.
You can only have 1 elite spec equipped at a time, but you ALWAYS have at least 2 core specs at all times. As they release more elite specs the build variety will increase, while no mater what core specs will always be relevant because they are required.
Down the road when we have like 3 or more elite specs to choose from this system will work very well, its just a temporary issue of being shoehorned into 1 elite spec because thats all thats available to us at the moment.

You’ve mistaken what problem would become worse. General diversity would increase. In a year’s time we might have 2 viable builds, sure, though, I wouldn’t consider that a ground breaking fix. The problem I’m referring to is that the longer this is ignored, the more obsolete playing a base class will become. For some classes that may not feel like it matters, but for others it most certainly does matter.

The game is moving FORWARD, you always have the choice to run 3 base specs, but dont complain that your making yourself suboptimal, the game cant stay the same forever, as more skills are added more OLD builds will find more efficient ways to do things by taking advantage of the multitude of new abilities to complement their playstyle even better.
You cant expect to NEVER have to change from using pure vanilla builds to stay relevant
Most the people that complain about pure core builds not being viable are just either people who cant be bothered to buy the expansion or baddies who only learned to play their class ONE WAY and dont want to adapt to changing metas yet still want to compete with people who do

Your assessment that the problem will only get worse as more elite specs are released is completely false, the whole problem stems from there ONLY being 1 elite.
You can only have 1 elite spec equipped at a time, but you ALWAYS have at least 2 core specs at all times. As they release more elite specs the build variety will increase, while no mater what core specs will always be relevant because they are required.
Down the road when we have like 3 or more elite specs to choose from this system will work very well, its just a temporary issue of being shoehorned into 1 elite spec because thats all thats available to us at the moment.

DeceiverX.8361:

Puck.9612:

elkirin.8534:

I am not sure how to break it to you , so I will shoot straight from the hip;

Maguuma is currently making a heavy Glicko Win…. it appears they are in the right tier.

FA is currently taking a heavy Glicko Loss…. it appears they are in the right tier.

ET is carrying BG to victory, it appears they are in the right tier. (TIC)

Some are happy with the increased numbers, some long for a return to solo roamers facing solo roamers.

IMHO, Anet has done something, I am happy that they have tried something. Without providing an example of how they could do it better, I will live with this system.

Just to add to that, Mag has about 7k kills over DB at the moment and that gap will likely keep growing. Mag is in last place because most of the guilds are having so much fun fighting in EB that they refuse to go PPT in the bl’s. Go read the cancer forum thread on this match up, people are loving it.

Don’t know how they’re having fun. Pretty much boils down to 10-15 man groups camping by spawns ganking solo or duo players and then running away as soon as a few pugs muster, and then repeating the process over and over.

And before you say “get the blob to wipe them” or “get numbers to match them,” no, that doesn’t work. They run away unless their numbers favor enemies 3 : 1.

It’s pretty much been realized that Mag’s precious KDR is the product not of skilled play but instead just simply not fighting when against fair numbers, and continuously picking on random pugs leaving spawn with over-sized “roaming” groups.

I miss fighting FA, even if in small-scale they’d beat our pugs back pretty bad. Way better players there, honestly, and they still played a more respectful game to let people get back into the action.

Lol, your whole post just sounds like a salt fueled rant.
Maguuma is pretty well known for busting zergs much bigger in size than them, so idk wtf your talking about.
Obviously just making baseless statements out of rage

Also, there is a difference between a ROAMER actually capping camps and checkpoints while picking off stray players and KILLING them vs a dueler who just stands there outside smc 1v1ing til down state then letting them get back up.
The roamers actually contribute, thats an actual legitimate wvw playstyle

PS: dueling is FINE if there is no queue, but the moment your taking someone elses spot on the map that is actually trying to play the mode the way its intended is when you start being a problem

ArchonWing.9480:

(Them not accommodating you is selfish, but you not accommodating them… no?)

The difference is they DONT NEED accommodation, if they want to duel they can go to any number of places including # guild halls, obsidian sanctum, a non queued borderland, edge of the mists #. A player actually trying to do zerg vs zerg fights and capture player contested objectives in EBG has no choice but to wait in the queue for that specific map

Duelers have a choice to not inconvenience other people, yet they choose the selfish option because no one can stop them

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

Im roaming and dueling for some years now here in Sfr. No one gives a kitten . Even commanders Just Let us duel while complete zerks passing by. Ofc in every zerk you have no brainers that want to interupt your duel. Thats always funny, cause those who interupt are the ones who getting powned. So in my experience. Only bad no skilled people complaining xD

Your experience means nothing, the system CHANGED,players are now in long queues to get into wvw to actually play WVW. The duelers are essentially glorified afkers as far as the game modes objective is concerned, your contributing nothing and preventing an actual contributing player from playing
Of course no one cared about duelers in EBG for the past 3 years, there was no reason to care, but now there is.
No queue? Duel all you want.
Large queue preventing people from playing legit? Go somewhere else and have some common courtesy for your fellow players.

The “flying over walls” is the dumbest most lazy response, its literally a non-issue, no fly zones already exist in jumping puzzles, its not hard to prevent abuse, the only legit argument is that non expansion owners would consistently be left stranded.

He has a point, dueling in EBG was no big deal before because most servers were dead so it was the only place with players to duel and you werent likely holding other people up with queues
This is no longer the case. People responding with things like " i have every right to duel here if i want, its my playstyle" are being extremely selfish and self centered. Obsidian sanctum arena was specifically designed for dueling and GvG battles, now that the other maps are actually full if you want to duel you should do it where its intended. Your keeping other people from playing the game the way its intended. They have no choice but to play in EBG or borderlands if they want to actually WvW, you duelers have MULTIPLE different options for dueling, and ones that DONT deprive another player of playtime, yet your still selfishly choosing to take their place in queue to do something you could and SHOULD be doing elsewhere. If theres no queue, then sure, duel all you want in EBG, otherwise your just being a self centered prick

Its essentially the same thing as queueing into a ranked spvp match and then having 2 people run off to the corner of the map dueling without taking the objective, they took the place of people who want to actually play the game mode legit to do something they could be doing somewhere else, its just on a smaller scale and doesnt have as large of an impact, but its still the same concept

I dont think the point of the merge was to automatically balance out servers according to their skill, but rather to consolidate the populations so that they could eventually balance themselves out.
Before the merge there was like a dozen empty servers, and a few full servers, this makes it so there are more high population matchups, so the new tiering of the servers will adjust according to which servers do the best rather than being stagnant and being seperated pretty much dependent on population.
the tier lists were pretty much just a list of servers seperated by population size

Lol the “logic” people are using is rediculous and obviously self centered.
" People will quit the game and wvw altogether because the queues are too long"
Umm ok lets think this through, if the queues are long, that means every server and every map is FULL of players. Just a week ago many servers were practically EMPTY every day other than reset night, so if the goal of the merge was increase the population in wvw, they would be succeeding, so the handful of players who leave are completely negligible and irrelevant if the servers are always full. But if full queues really did “kill” wvw than the queues would be gone, so anyone who left because of full queues will come back…sooooo……..shut up already?

Lol, typical self centered whining with no perspective on the situation other than your own immediate and short term inconvenience
This is a very temporary issue, and in the unlikely situation that it goes on for over a week, than to any REAL wvw player, this would be GREAT, because that would mean anet was successful in reviving WvW. Some players being inconvenienced for a few days is a small price to pay to have the entire game mode be revitalized for the future years to come

Waiting 2 hours in a queue sucks, but do you know what sucks even more? Not being able to enjoy wvw in any meaningful way for over 2 years aside from 1 day out of the week because all of the maps are completely devoid of players.
I would rather wait 2 hours in a queue and be guaranteed an enjoyable experience than get no queue at all but walk around for 2 hours without finding any players other than the occasional roamer (if im lucky)

ROFL your arguments are so stupid
Your just listing off worst case scenarios and LEGITIMATE counters, its like you want the ability to have ZERO drawbacks or counteplay
Also another reason why WEAPON SWAP is necessary on revenant, you can swap both legends AND weapons. ED DOES work with any weapon, but of course it works BETTER with some than others, staff also works well with it.
Your whole argument pretty much boils down to “see look, in this specific disadvantageous situation this healing ability didnt completely save my kitten all on its own, so it sucks”

Well “reality” is showing that revenant is doing quite well in both s1 and s2 meta, and during both of these seasons shiro was used in the builds, people were even forgoing dragon stance (despite still picking herald spec) on the condi build because shiro is just that good.

You can make ANY heal in the game sound terrible if you just cherry pick situational strawman arguments like you did to make it sound like it never works. The shiro heal isnt a “oh kitten” button like a guardian heal, its something you pop at the very beginning of a fight or mid way through to apply hard pressure while keeping your health topped off, just because you want to use the heal improperly doesnt mean its bad at what its supposed to do, and as has already been mentioned, revenants have TWO healing skills, and the whole “your other heal might be on cooldown” argument is a cop out strawman, guess what, ANY class could have their heal on cooldown at anytime, difference is, they only have ONE heal to begin with, so using that logic, other classes heals must be terrible since they are always on cooldown. Also your whole “try using it without combining it with sword 3 or try using it with hammer” argument is completely rediculous, thats like saying “try playing a condition build with zero condition damage and see how that works for you”. Your SUPPOSED to combo your classes abilities together, and of course a SLOW weapon isnt going to be the most optimal for this particular ability, theres a reason no one uses hammer in spvp, it sucks. If thats how you use shiros heal then no wonder you think it sucks, your using it WRONG

Euthymias.7984:

Kayberz.5346:

Burtnik, your just bad.
Your going way out of your way to convince people (and yourself subconsciously) that shiro heal is bad so that you can have an excuse for why you suck at revenant, and thats probably also why you dont even play the game anymore yet constantly troll the forums, because if you dont play you wont find yourself in the position of constant failure, but you can talk on the forums all you want about how “broken” this games pvp is without actually taking part in it yourself, and im sure all of your “remove weapon swap on rev” posts is a result of you just wanting rev to be easier with less options/ buttons to press to play the class 100% optimally

Bottem line: shiro heal is GREAT and anyone saying otherwise has l2p issues and doesn’t understand how to properly use it and as an extension doesnt know how to play revenant correctly

This actually doesn’t invalidate what he said about the Daggers. He’s actually right that Shiro’s Daggers have a lot more counterplay than most others heal effects and that can make it problematic in application sometimes. Its unique properties can certainly work against it more than help when it comes to a heal effect, even with preemptive use.

While its cool to have an offensive heal, something closer to a Berserker’s Blood Reckoning would achieve the same effect (recovery based on damage dealt for a period of time while active…adding a small HP recovery on its initial use would make up for the damaging aspect of the daggers themselves imo, but a small damage boost would easily work in its place also) as E.Daggers without all the additional issues the projectile nature of the Daggers pose. The heal itself is still “usable”, but that doesn’t mean that it can’t be better.

Of course it could be “better” but then you would be causing imbalance, skills are supposed to have counters, this skill is actually borderline OP if it wasnt for its drawbacks. When taking into account the revenant as a whole, this skill does exactly what its supposed to do, while having fair counterplay.
Unless revenant is going to take a big hit somewhere else, enchanted daggers doesnt need any more buffing

Burtnik, your just bad.
Your going way out of your way to convince people (and yourself subconsciously) that shiro heal is bad so that you can have an excuse for why you suck at revenant, and thats probably also why you dont even play the game anymore yet constantly troll the forums, because if you dont play you wont find yourself in the position of constant failure, but you can talk on the forums all you want about how “broken” this games pvp is without actually taking part in it yourself, and im sure all of your “remove weapon swap on rev” posts is a result of you just wanting rev to be easier with less options/ buttons to press to play the class 100% optimally

Bottem line: shiro heal is GREAT and anyone saying otherwise has l2p issues and doesn’t understand how to properly use it and as an extension doesnt know how to play revenant correctly

This is just a smart decision for the games health, they kittened up in the first place putting so much development time into such a niche aspect of the game, i feel like alot of the recent changes, such as colin leaving has to do with anets unrealistic and un-prioritized game development goals.

From what i can see, it seems like they decided to take suggestions from the community for future content and the whole “legendary scavenger hunt” was a popular suggestion so they went with it, but im guessing that certain devs with a lot of pull in the company were REALLY into the idea and wanted to go “all out” on the project, and were allowed to, and as a result the whole scope of the new legendary crafting system was made unrealistically grand. While the entire expansion was in development they probably figured that after it launched they would have more resources to finish off the legendary scavenger hunt project they started without realizing how needlessly elaborate they made it and just how much of an impact it has on the games economy, especially for how small a percentage of the population would even use it.
It just seems like they put to many resources into a fun “pet project” without really examining the long term repercussions or practicality of said project for the actual development of the game as a whole

Well technically they promised new legendarys, and we got some, im pretty sure they NEVER promised an ENTIRE new set of legendarys for every weapon type. Just more people jumping to to conclusions based on their wishful thinking and personal “anti anet” bias.
This is exactly why anet is so hesitant to tell the community what projects they are working on, because the community hears one thing they say, and then through endless speculation and forum misinfo suddenly a small comment about “intentions” for “possible” future content becomes a long list of supposed “broken promises”.

Lol more kids insecure about their sexuality/masculinity that have it programmed into their head by society that pink and/or butterflies are “feminine” and that associating yourself with either of these somehow makes you less “manly”
Classic, pretty much this exact thread pops up every few months

Why dont people take advice in pvp? Simple.
In order for them to truly take your advice, it would require for them to acknowledge to themselves that they were wrong in the first place, and for most of these ego maniacs, that is just not an option.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

displacedTitan.6897:

“I know I am the constant but my teammates are still bad.’’

That isn’t logic, thats excuses. Sometimes you get bad teammates, sometimes you get good teammates. So consider those two cases a wash. In the games where its pretty even for teammate skill, YOU make the difference! It really isnt that hard to comprehend.

If you continue to blame the system for all your failures and yourself for all your success you will never improve. Its really that simple.

I’m not explicitly blaming my teammates and only my teammates. There is more to it than just “they aren’t skilled enough.” There is team composition. There is communication. There is synergy. Granted the matchmaking can’t look at all of it, but some of the people…I’m sorry, but you can’t carry it. I’ve seen enough games where pro players like Chaith or Helseth couldn’t carry their pugs and they are absolutely miles ahead of me in terms of skill. Regardless of what anyone claims, you cannot carry every time.

You people keep getting caught up saying “you cant carry every game” well no duh, you cant carry EVERY game but if you are actually good you should be able to carry MOST games over a long period of time, you might get some lose streaks every now and then, but pretty much anything past 5 losses in a row is most likely a personal skill problem.
Defaulting back to the “how am i supposed to carry this team of 5 quadriplegic warriors” isnt going to improve your games, your GOING to lose games, but if your actually good and play to win EVERY game, you will eventually carry enough games to progress, otherwise, your skill could be in question
People citing 10+lose streaks are either having an UNGODLY amount of bad luck ( i doubt it), OR they really just arnt as good as they claim to be

Zero Solstice.9754:

The thing that a lot of the populace that is complaining about this system is forgetting is that the backpiece can be ground out. Given a large enough amount of time, any player that wants the backpiece can have it; The tickets that are earned from crossing divisions are a currency, the crossing divisions achievement doesn’t reset between seasons, the daily time-gating never resets. Anyone who is truly interested in the item knows this.

The real issue here is that the populace in question wants instant gratification. They don’t want to wait 8 months and 4 PvP seasons to have earned enough tickets and division crosses to be able to finally craft the backpiece, they want it as soon as a number of these other players are getting it.

I think Anet implementing rewards that are gated behind different in-game skills is a good idea — it grants a sense of prestige to players that excel in the skills/areas in question by enabling them quicker access to the rewards and puts an emphasis on the value of each individual game space — however, the previous acquisition of rewards in the game contradicts this new concept, and thus players are upset and feel “cheated” by the fact that they can’t have them as fast as others.

Ranked play is “ranked” for a reason: you can’t be upset by the fact that others may be better than you or have a better time in the system than you, it’s meant to reward high level play and it will be volatile at times by nature. Arguing that the backpiece is unjustly locked behind the Leagues is both an unfair assessment of the purpose of Leagues, as well as simply a false statement; if you want the backpiece, you can eventually have it, given you understand how much longer it will take if you can’t cross Divisions as effectively as other players. If this bothers you or you still feel entitled to equal acquisition of rewards as other players, then it’s advisable that you either reevaluate what Ranked entails, or simply settle for Ad Infinitum instead.

^ this

You heard it here first people, buffalo bruiser lost some matches, therefore, the game is dead

Agemnon.4608:

suffish.4150:

I really like the idea of division based areas that only people from that division and above can go to. I also like the idea that the look of them will be improved as you go higher however I do not think that the lounges should have any more services than the regular HotM has, it should just have them closer together and more convenient. I think they should work like the Royal terrace where it is not an instance but only people from the appropriate divisions can enter so the people in lower divisions can still see inside. It would add to the prestige of being in a high division and would also help with the formation of groups if lots of people from the same division can stand around in the same place.

It wouldn’t be instanced (except for rooms where you fight customizable NPC dummies)

Wow, its really easy to tell when someone’s ideas come directly from their subconscious insecurities and need to compensate for their real life Social deficiencies by creating an environment in a virtual world where they can swap their positions From being an outcast loser in real life to being the “elite” that treats the “plebs” like a lower class.
Your ego stroking idea is pretty sad really when you think about it. Essentially a subconscious cry for attention and acceptance in society

Dude it’s a game and within the context of this particular game legendaries are at the top of the social ladder and it would be cool to have a lobby to reflect it. People want to have cool kid privileges and aspire to be cool kids themselves. Besides each lounge having a LFG chalkboard would mean people of similar rank and skill would team up more efficiently. No one wants to be carried (because as the weakest link you’d have the most mistakes that contribute to a loss) or carry sufficiently hard (since someone will feel bad about being outclassed and likely why a team lost) so this would organize equals better.

All this would accomplish is to further the divide between the pro players and average players and would create an even more toxic relationship between the two communities. This has absolutely ZERO practical purpose other than to stroke the egos of ego maniacs while potentially invoke even more envy from the lower tier players. The whole “organizing teams” think just sounds like a cop out excuse to add this, no one would use this, you can already do the same thing in the current lobby.

The division symbol next to playets name is more than enough of a prestige display, there is no reason to segregate the player base in the lobby based on division.
The whole suggestion just reaks of “look at me im better than you” elitism.

Wow, its really easy to tell when someone’s ideas come directly from their subconscious insecurities and need to compensate for their real life Social deficiencies by creating an environment in a virtual world where they can swap their positions From being an outcast loser in real life to being the “elite” that treats the “plebs” like a lower class.

Your ego stroking idea is pretty sad really when you think about it. Essentially a subconscious cry for attention and acceptance in society

Rofl, you just sound kitten, sorry
You start off your argument saying they are OP because of some kind of rare situational glitch that many different classes can reproduce. You just look like your grasping at straws to complain about revenant because you got wrecked by some

And LOL at your infuse light change. So basically you want to remove the HEALING part of revenants healing skill. The healing ability that might i add ALREADY has the potential to not heal you at all as long as people dont get tunnel vision and keep attacking

Ohoni.6057:

People keep repeating that point as a rhetorical “if they did that they would have to do this” to emphasize just how out of line that idea is with the entire games cosmetic rewards philosophy.

But people have been suggesting they change that philosophy for a long time now, and they have made changes in that direction, such as Precursor crafting, and PvP Reward tracks. You don’t have to run dungeons anymore to get dungeon gear, so why not be able to run PvP content to get The Ascension?

None of those things are at all related to changing the game towards your philosophy
Precursor crafting was implemented because the ONLY way to get a precursor befor that was pure RNG, all the steps in precursor crafting require very SPECIFIC pve ONLY tasks, so right there it goes against your “philosophy”
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The dungeon reward tracks in pvp have nothing to do with implementing alternative ways to get the gear, because you ALREADY could get all that gear in pvp before that.
The dungeon reward tracks coincided with the addition of the wardrobe system and the REMOVAL of pvp skins, you used to have a currency in pvp called glory that you could use to make pvp skins, because befor the wardrobe you had a completely different set of skins in pvp and you would have to unlock every skin separately
The dungeon reward tracks and ALL reward tracks in general was their replacement for the old method of earning skins in pvp

Ohoni.6057:

Then Anet should implement the same with fractal backpack, plus raid loot plus a lot of other things, dunno….

It goes without saying.

And yet people insist on saying it.

A lot.

People keep repeating that point as a rhetorical “if they did that they would have to do this” to emphasize just how out of line that idea is with the entire games cosmetic rewards philosophy. not because they are ACTUALLY suggesting they do it.
Yet you still fail to grasp that every time.
Nobody is on board with your idea

The elder races might have known something we dont.
I just think back to what mordremoth says when we kill him “what have you DONE?!”
there have been many hints that killing the elder dragons could have disastrous consequences for tyria. Maybe the elder races knew this and knew WHY and their strategies for handling the elder dragons reflected that.
Alternatively.
Its also possible that the elder races were and still continue to orchestrate some kind of long grand plan. Maybe through all these awakenings the elder races have slowly been orchestrating a plan to solve the elder dragon problem once and for all, and the steps taken during the previous rises were just necessary steps to culminate to the current awakening where we (the future generations) could finally complete the plan. Maybe this is what glints legacy is all about, perhaps the forgotten used the previous awakening to complete the part of their plan to free glint and gain her aid, and then durring the dragon’s slumber, with the help of a former elder dragon champion could finish the last steps and preparations for the final confrontation with the elder dragons(the current rising)

Celine.6857:

Loboling.5293:

I wanted to give some feedback, glad to see a thread on the actual gw2 forums with a red. (This coming from someone who worked into sapphire and almost done)

Matchmaking is fine (once you play up to your league). But leading up to that, you will have such bad games, most players will want to quit. I did, I was so tired of 37-500, 60-500, etc games. They are beyond boring. Now, I haven’t had a game where the enemy didn’t score at least 200 points, and many 4XX-500 games. The matches have gotten a lot more competitive as I move up the league.

So the problem is the season start. It was terrible, so here are my suggestions:

1) Keep league rewards, but seperate them from divisions. We need a pip based reward track that simply tracks our wins and losses and gives us rewards in the exact same way as now. This goes with part two.

2) Players start next season close to their current division.
Amber -> Amber
Emerald -> Amber
Sapphire -> Emerald
Ruby -> Sapphire
Diamond -> Sapphire
Legend ->Sapphire

Thanks.

I could not agree more.

Only problem with the the whole “putting people in different divisions at the start” is that it would totally screw over anybody trying to get the “cross x league divisions” achievements, you have to cross a division a total of 10 times,

The fact that this thread even exists is why i have no faith in future generations.

StickerHappy.8052:

Cyanon.1928:

Erik Waananen.6089:

Sardath.8524:

- the MMR of average/bad players shouldn’t be lowered as much when losing against a team of a significantly higher MMR

I can confirm that the Ranked matchmaking system already works this way, and worked this way for Season 1 as well. The matches in which you lose against opponents that are much higher rated than you do not adjust your MMR significantly.

Sardath.8524:

- they need to add a preseason to fill the gap or to place people in the ladder based on the previous season

We are continuing to explore ideas for the upcoming off season period, as well as ways to improve overall match quality for Season 3, as we know that there are frustrations for many players (particularly during the start of the season) with regard to matchmaking for Season 2.

Erik, thanks for taking the time to join us in this discussion. You have no idea of the peace of mind that bring us the customers that someone is at least trying to address the issues of sPvP season 2.

It occurs to me that ANET could implement a survey system in which players can give feedback from inside the game by completing surveys in exchange of small rewards (this could be a powerful tool for ANET if its well developed).

SURVEY? THAT IS WHAT THE FORUMS ARE FOR.

The problem is they spend too much time and effort on reddit (WHICH IS A THIRD PARTY SITE)

A survey on the forums would accomplish nothing, all the crybabies will just flock to it to spam anet hate, while a majority of players would never even see it.
The in game survey with a small reward attatched is actually a really good idea for getting (somewhat) acurate results.
As it stands you could post a survey on this forum asking about peoples opinion on a portion of the game proven to be widely liked/successful and 90% of the responses would be negative anet hate speech, 5% would be legit responses, and the other 5% would be people claiming the positive responses are “white knights” or saying “how much did anet pay you to say that”

Im not necessarily claiming this, but do you know how easy it is to Photoshop a match results screen"
Even the biggest Photoshop noobie could make a convincing fake matchup picture

Over 11 games in 1 hour? Hmmmm
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These forums are so full of hyperbole

Guys your wasting your time, Ohoni is a carebear brickwall dripping with entitlement
Read his post history, its pretty much exclusively him complaining/petitioning to make essentially EVERY prestigious item in the game a free hand out
He even said if he had his way he would rather have to fight teams of AI bots rather than actual players for the back piece, AND that he ONLY likes pvp matches where he wins in a blow out like 500-0 because he doesnt care about competition, he only wants the legendary back piece with as little effort as possible
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Ohoni does NOT care about competitive pvp or the health of the pvp game mode, hes ONLY interested in petitioning on making the legendary back piece easier for HIM to obtain