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Oh I’m not complaining! The constant influx of people absolutely FILLED my bags many, many times over! 2v1 for JQ is a fair fight You guys were nice enough to leave the mystic forge attendant alive so I was able to empty my bags as often as I filled them!

At any rate, keep up the awesome fights!

Rofl. Been defending garry on JQ for a good 3 hours now in the lord room. So far neither BG or SoR has been able to take it. Nor have they touched each other.

Funny how they cant get anything done without a 2v1 xD

Be nice to see you guys touch each other now and again but hey, if you think we’re that big of a threat, its a compliment! And kinda sad for you guys…..

Keep it up!

Not to hijack the thread or anything…..

But I hopped over here from the WvW/PvP threads I normally take place in…..and I can’t stop laughing here….. xD

While I understand it would suck to farm for an armor piece and have it marginally changed……I really can’t understand why people are THIS upset?

IMHO A-Net has much, much bigger things to worry about (WvW culling, skill lag in pve and wvw, new game content, bugs, glitches, hacks, exploits, class skills working incorrectly, and a LOT of other major game issues) So seeing a thread where people are pretty upset about a shoulder strap being altered and ear-muffs being a few inches higher…..I have to laugh. Character looks are nice, but as long as there are things that affect actual gameplay….I really think cosmetics should take a back seat.

Didn’t mean to derail, but thought it would be fair to provide some of “the other sides” opinion.

Nice speech and all, (I’m always a fan of a good pump-you-up) but there were a few parts where I had to call bull….. “we have something they don’t, we have server unity…..resilience….something greater than just united for PPT” etc.

I am NOT saying you DONT have this. You guys are clearly dedicated and all that. But I wouldn’t go so far as to say you have a monopoly on it either
Again though, sick video, nice to see others with “server pride” regardless of what that server might be.

See you guys on the field!

We had a similar problem on JQ on and off over the last couple of weeks, although it seems to have been resolved.

Hope it works out for you guys soon :/

In all honesty, the most success I’ve come up when fighting thieves is with my Ranger (100% pure trap build) and my Ele (AoE staff support/damage build). I basically continuously spam my AoE’s directly on top of me and HOPE the thief isn’t running a long range weapon as a backup.

This obviously isn’t the only way I’ll fight, but if this is an “effective” way to fight it says something about thieves in general.

My proposed solution after playing MY OWN thief?

A) Double the initiative cost for most/all stealth skills. This will force thieves (like me) to make a decision on “do I want to try to burn this guy down? Or do I want a secure escape route?” and not be able to skip into combat happily knowing I can do both.

and/or

B) Increase the amount of damage taken from AoE’s while in stealth by ~2×. I forget where I read it, but somewhere Anet mentioned one of the best counters to thieves would be through AoE. Even without Anet saying this it makes sense to say….. “I cant see him…hopefully AoE will get the job done.” The problem with this is thieves are at a major advantage in these scenarios. If you can’t see me? How in TYRIA are you supposed to know where to place your AoE’s? So, in order of balance, I would be completely fine if I took double or even triple damage from AoE’s while I was in stealth.

and/or

C) Apply a damage debuff that is applied every time a thief stealths in combat. In short. Every time I re-enter stealth within say, a 10 second window, I receive a debuff to my damage, that stacks in relation to the number of times I re-pop stealth. I dont even want to begin to think of how much of a debuff this would be (I would think no more than ~5% per stack) but again, as a thief I feel that something like this would REALLY make combat more interesting. This gives thieves the option to stealth out if they need to, but severely limits the effectiveness of “permastealth”

There are always going to be star-hugging, 2-spamming, heartseeker thieves who QQ every time a class revision is suggested. But I think those of us looking to steamroll someone because we’re actually more skilled, and not because the Anet is holding our hands, will enjoy a revision to Thieves and the stealth-system.

Tsym is a fantastic guild with exemplary tactics and is a true force to be reckoned with. With all do respect to them, if this is true, I would urge them to reconsider. Jade Quarry has excellent coverage and I really feel any additions will do more damage than good to the wvw community as a whole. I would encourage them and anyone else to consider perhaps SoR, Kaineng, or another server with great wvw potential to balance things out. That being said, if you guys do decide to join us on Jade Quarry, rest assured you’ll be welcomed with open arms:)

On Behalf of EMP as a whole and as one of their leaders I want to nip this one in the bud.

Immediately after this incident occurred, we received information that it was happening from several guilds both on and off JQ. We immediately began investigating who was involved and punished those involved according to their level of involvement. Those who were aware but said nothing have been demoted, those who were actively involved are now being kicked.

We sincerely apologize for this and would like to assure the other servers and guilds that this was NOT done with the knowledge of 95% of EMP.

If there are any concerns on this matter, please feel free to message me via forums or in game.

Best regards,

Kell Swiftfire

In all honesty…if you are using “guard” consistently in WvW along with traps and spirits….it sounds like you have a pretty scattered build.

My recommendation, discover your ideal playstyle, pick utilities that accentuate it (but can generally be used in combination) and lastly, find gear that further enhances you.

In all honesty, I dont believe there are “bad” classes, just people who dont know how to play it. And there are a lot of people who dont know how to play Rangers.

Problem with rangers (as with any class) that people dont understand….is they arent a “spam 2 to win” class. They also aren’t all that forgivable with build/utility efficiency etc (which can be a good and a bad thing.)

Comparing Ranger DPS to Warrior DPS is comparing apples to oranges. Entirely different classes with completely different playstyles, weaponsets, traits, gear, strengths, weaknesses etc.

The key difference between a Ranger and other classes is there isnt one “good” answer. You dont give him 2 daggers and spam 2. You dont give him a greatsword and a burst-build. In all honesty, I’ve felt that Rangers are more like Mesmers than any other class in that you have to be competent and smart with what you’re doing to be viable, but as soon as you figure it out, you’re unbelievable.

Waffler.1257:

1. You see a lot of elementalists because d/d eles are almost impossible to kill unless you have a group with a lot of CC, and they have really good mobility.
2. You see a lot of thieves because they also have really good mobility, can turn invisible, and can kill most players in 2 seconds.
3. You see a lot of mesmers because they have portal.
4. You see a lot of guardians because they are the only class that can survive thief burst with any kind of consistency, and thieves are everywhere in WvW.

Other classes can’t match the above classes for DPS, survivability, or utility so you don’t see them.

I agree with this but I’m going to qualify it by saying other classes are VERY viable in WvW, most players however don’t have the patience or skill to use them. Necro’s have THE best condition control in the game but Necro’s tend to be rare for whatever reason. Rangers have phenomenal ranged damage (imagine that) and fantastic AoE potential and some of the best support in game but you generally only hear about ranger “hate.” Engineers have some of the best versatility in game, rivaled only by Elementalists, but again, they tend to be a rarer class.

Anyone can roll a thief and spam 2 with dagger dagger, and thats why you see so many of them. It doesnt take much skill to attack an opponent from stealth and down him in ~2 seconds. Classes like this with obvious, arguably overpowered niches, will always be the go-to for your average player.

From what I’ve seen, D/D Necros normally get pretty soundly spanked close quarters. There is just so much intense burst dps from other melee classes, It’s hard to keep up with a light armor, non-bunker build.

BUT if it suits your playstyle and you make it work, more power to you!

In all honesty, a great way to work on “field exercises” or this sort of combat is spvp. Just get 16 of your guildies to fill up an empty spvp server and run through different scenarios, training sessions etc.

good luck!

I’m not much of a QQ’er when it comes to games and their communication with players etc….

But I agree with this thread. It would be very nice to see a little more acknowledgement to the WvW community about the key issues we all know of. It doesn’t have to be “We have a solution ta da!” in all honesty it could be as simple Anet responding to specific threads to at least let us know they’ve been seen.

It would be awesome to see a little more communication from the people who are making this great game

Hate to burst your guy’s bubbles, but, you DO get numbers with trebs regardless of range.

I’ve trebbed many a keep, especially Bay from Garrison and you DO get numbers when you get a hit. I’ll take a screenie some time and if I remember, I’ll link it.

Otherwise, I like the idea’s in this post! I would almost add to increase the damage of standard siege by ~20%. Siege seemed so much more effective back in beta when everyone had crummy armor. Now that a majority of players have full Exo’s and there are a surpluss of bunker-builds running around, defensive siege seems almost ineffective.

ghtchill.7613:

McViolin.8547:

Whats is this “queue” of which you speak of?

You don’t want to meet the Queue. He’s a huge Anet bouncer that only lets 2 people in at a time even when the place is half empty. I’ve also noticed he lets all the cute Mesmers in first. He’s a very very very bad man!

I have grown to know this man very, VERY well….. I hope you all never have to….

On a serious note, I would absolutely recommend ET to ANYONE looking for a solid fight with brilliant leadership. I still remember the days when we fought ET in T1 and to this day, ET has been my favorite server to face. I’ve always secretly hoped to see ET in T1 again.

Best of luck!

In all honesty, if you want to transfer to a top-tier server, these next few weeks are the best times to do it.

With the stiff competition in T1 and T2 keeping servers from “excelling” there is little reason to believe most, if not all T1/T2 servers not be displaced by servers like Kaineng or Ehmry bay who are decent, but are facing little to no competition.

In short, most of the true top tier servers are going to find themselves in mid tiers for a couple of weeks before we make our way back to our proper tiers again.

So if you want to switch, do it while the high end W3 servers are displaced for best gem price.

Reslinal.2359:

This sounds horrible, Habib if you decided to do this, can we have the 24 hour matches again to get ratings into place quickly?

YES YES YES.

This is the first solution I’ve read that sounds good. The problem with resetting ratings is it INCREASES volatility. For example, T1 has the stiffest competition of any other tier atm. So it’s no surprise you rarely see JQ, SoS, or SoR breaking a +300 tick. It is usually locked down between 220 and 240 regardless of the time/day.

Unless the rating system is revised to take into consideration that points are much harder to earn on a higher tier server, servers like Kaineng or Ehmry bay will be insta boosted to T1. I’m not saying they aren’t good, what I am saying is they have incredible ticks because they have much less competition.

Don’t punish T1 for having harder opponents. If the ratings are reset, change matchups to 1 day and condense the volatility to a week or two as opposed to a month or two.

I absolutely LOVE my Ranger in WvW. I honestly feel like I do very well in WvW and have no problems in most situations I come across whether it’s Commanding, Ganking, or Soloing.

On a side note, I would DEFINITELY not recommend the class if you want a 1-button win class. If you wan’t that roll a thief Ranger takes a bit of strategy, but once you have a handle on it, your potential is amazing.

Best of luck!

Daemon.4295:

Yeah it’s great, Zephyr’s Speed and Piercing Arrows are the only two traits I just can’t imagine living without.

I agree 100% on Piercing Arrows, I feel they are a must have for me. Zephyr’s Speed is nice too, but I personally don’t find myself utilizing it as much as I should be :j

Was just going to post the same thing! Looks like the whole bit about entangle being bugged is now totally irrelevant. Aahhhwwww yyyyeeeaah!!!

Well…..

If walls and gates are up, there is supposed to be now way into an enemy fortification. Using “guard” bugs your pet and allows him in.

This isn’t “using tools” at your disposal. It’s simply exploiting an issue that hasn’t been resolved.

Good tip though on the guard + rescue. This accounts for a lot of mysteries in WvW :j

Soldier.1625:

bucthree.7301:

I don’t know why it’s JQ’s fault for getting new guilds.
We can’t stop people from transferring, and we definitely can’t make guilds transfer over.
Every T1 server had the same opportunity to appeal to guilds wanting to move up before the end of free transfers.

I think what it comes down to is we all want to win and in doing so JQ could of stated they have enough transfers in their recruitment thread. They kept recruiting because they don’t care about being “sportsmen” it’s a game and they want to win. It’s very unfortunate that JQ now outnumbers both servers majority of the time now. Would of been a rare sight to see a server direct these larger guilds to their “enemies server”. However I blame mostly Anet for allowing the possibility of servers using blackouts in order to exploit the transfers on a full server. JQ isn’t the only one to blame here but clearly they used this mechanic more.

I’m afraid you’re simply wrong. There have been some who have posted on our thread saying we are well set on transfers. The fact is, we recruited. We now have more coverage and there is nothing “wrong” with that. As far as blackouts are concerned there is nothing wrong with it. We have an incredibly large, strong community and wanted more to join so we made it possible for them to transfer. So really who are the poor sportsmen? The server that built it’s community? Or the upset former first place server?

Daemon.4295:

That makes sense considering your high vitality, but don’t you think the quickness every 20 secs might add up to more damage overall than the 50-odd bonus to power? What’s your total vitality? Maybe it’s just me, but I love quickness

After reading this I’ve been toying around with the quickness and I really like it! I’m not sure if I’ll switch permanently but it’s definitely something to consider! Thanks for the suggestion!

Hopefully we’ll have answers tomorrow!!

I had the distinct privilege of joint-commanding a battleground alongside Strike Force [SF] last night and am incredibly excited to work and start building relationships with our other new transfers!

On a separate note…..

After a while, if you stay in the top tiers, you’ll grow to love queues and resent nearly anything but a full battle ground.

If SoS, Bg, and SoR are in t2…. That just leaves t1 to JQ!

I like the way this thread is going

On a serious note, we’ve been watching kainengs ascent from bottom tier and are very interested to see how things play themselves out. Keep up the work!

Daemon.4295:

I like your build, except for the runes and 10 points in nature magic, why did you decide to put them there? I’d put 5 into BM and 5 into wilderness survival, in my book no ranger should ever give up quickness on pet swap. I definitely agree that you should go for traits that match your playstyle and compensate / complement with gear.

It’s a good post and you clearly put a lot of effort into it, but I have to say your combat scenario is totally unrealistic. Unless you’re fighting bots, 4 opponents would use gap closers and CCs and roflstomp you in seconds, no healing would even be necessary. At most you’d get off barrage (which they would easily avoid), LB2, LB4 knockback, and SB poison volley, then you’re toast. Not enough to down a squishy really, and unless you’re fighting complete noobs they’ll interrupt you anyway. I don’t mean to sound nasty, but what you’re describing is every LB ranger’s PvE combat sequence against mobs and unfortunately it rarely works against other players.

I like the 10 in Nature Magic for the conversion of 5% vitality to power. It makes me feel better about stacking vitality when I know I’m also helping build my power

I’ve gotten a lot of flack about the fight sequence but in all honesty its one I’ve used a few times before. Note that I DID only use it a FEW times. WvW is so versatile that every fight is different but the reason I used that particular fight as an example is it has so many skill combinations and sort of explains some of the strategy I use with my Ranger.

I obviously would NEVER recommend going into a fight already having a concrete plan of what to do, I wrote that addition to the guide just after a fight in WvW and tried to just give a snapshot of how Rangers are used. Hopefully new (or old) Ranger’s will be able to pick through it and see how different things would be effective in different situations.

Cheers!

I agree with one of OP posting here (forgot which one and don’t want to scroll back through…)

In all honesty, if you’re looking for a 3-button win class, Ranger isn’t for you. However if you’re willing to get over the "I don’t have an obvious “obliterate” button" and get down to really figuring out your class, you can do amazingly well with a Ranger.

There is a running joke on my server, but a good portion of our best, most active WvW commanders are Rangers. People say Rangers suck in sPvP and WvW but the truth is, they simply havent figured out how to use them

Dante Dragonhand.2538:

FlamemanPyro.8249:

Im a Ranger and proud of it.
I do extremely well in WvW and PvE. People can complain all they want but rangers are pretty legit. Sure the class could use some improvement, especially the pets, but most of the other classes do too.
Ive been lvl 80 for several months so im no noob to the class so I realize its strengths and weaknesses and still I love to play as a ranger.
Come on fellow rangers show some ranger pride.

Here is why you are a noob. You think ranger is fine, yet seems like thats all you have played. Ive played every class in this game and ranger is bottom of the ladder. Most other classes can do what ranger does but better. Pets need to be scrapped bad. Or atleast the option to not use one. I love my ranger, but I cant stand playing him. Try a rifle warrior or dps guardian sometime, or even a glass cannon necro, so many other classes are better than ranger that its not funny. Sure ranger has some good builds 1v1, traps and evasion tank, but other classes still do bunker or condi builds better. When the only class you play is ranger then you think ranger is fine. I play against GOOD players and I can assure you, ranger isnt.

HEY DANTE!!!! Here is why you are a noob you think you know your class better than anyone and yet you don’t realize there ALREADY IS an option to stow your pets.

I don’t like to troll. But I’ll counter troll all day every day. Lets keep this talk productive yeah?

It was weird reading about HoD’s fall from my perspective as a Jade Quarry Commander.

All too often we can lump servers into a stereotypical category of “lowlife hackers who deserve whatever comes to them” and we forget about the great people at the core of any great server.

Congratulations on your community and I wish you all the best, I know how much of a relief it must be to have finally developed a community that you know will be there through thick and thin.

Again, Congratulations and best of luck!

I’m afraid not Would have saved my guild a loooot of trouble when we reformed.

We put the goofy in hardcore.

We definitely know what we’re doing but we are very laid back at the same time. We do incredibly well in wvw but we don’t have requirements for you to build or play your character a certain way. At any rate, every nights a party, if you’re interested check shoot me a tell or check out this thread

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Jade-Quarry-A-24-7-WvW-Establishment/page/3#post1282322

hope to hear from you guys soon!

Yo People! Just throwing out a bump for this thread! We have a phenomenal guild here and would love to have any of you join us! Let us know!

Heya Robo Squirrel.

Come join us on Jade Quarry! We have a toooon of guilds who are actively recruiting (including my own) especially for anyone wvw interested/oriented Message me with some questions or check out this forum for some more info!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Jade-Quarry-A-24-7-WvW-Establishment/page/3#post1282322

“Please sir, can I have some mooooaar?”

Since this thread is already….TOTALLY derailed…..I hope this doesn’t count as a hijack….

If any of you are still looking for a place to land though, come join us on Jade Quarry!

We take hardcore pride in being basically “drama free” and have been holding our own in T1 longer than any other server Hit me, or anyone from JQ for details or visit our official thread!

Best regards, hope to see you guys soon!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Jade-Quarry-A-24-7-WvW-Establishment/page/3#post1282322

I play Ranger, Ele, and some Mesmer and Guardian. My favorite in WvW right now is Elementalist but my all time favorite is definitely Ranger.

Im assuming since you called them “hunters” you played lotro like I did? If you were able to do even marginally well with a hunter in LOTRO then a ranger will be a walking god in comparison.

HOLY COW!!!!! I’ve always wanted to be ~#1 to comment on a stick thread! People actually might read my comment!

Heya Tyria!

Oh. Thanks too for the ratings btw

I think there should be a third ammunition option for Cats and Trebs. “Load Asura.”

yeah, YEAH???? >:)

Jade Quarry!
Think of us as the melting pot of WvW.

We’ve been in T1 longer than any other server and are thrilled to invite new guilds into our community.

We honestly don’t have much of a problem with people “bandwagoning” as we’ve maintained our position for so long, in all honesty a good 60+% of our community and guilds started here and we have a pretty low turnover rate.

We have a dedicated TS3 server for everyone on JQ to use and our guild-to-guild communication and cooperation is phenomenal.

We also have several other smaller sized guilds like yours that operate incredibly well on our server and we would looooove to have yours added to our ranks!

Message me via forums, in-game, or check out this thread for more information

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Jade-Quarry-A-24-7-WvW-Establishment/page/2#post1259529

*Edit: I also forgot to mention, If you are worried about JQ always being Full, don’t worry about it! We can schedule server-wide blackouts in which multiple guilds throughout our community all exit the game client at a given time to open the world up for transfer. I’ve also heard that servers are open for the rest of the week so either way, you should be covered

Last Friday we were able to open up the world for an estimated 350+ transfers for several guilds just prior to the reset.

Never worked personally with any of you but played against you plenty.

As someone who respects your guilds wvw ability, I sincerely hope this issue is worked out quickly and you are all able to return to wvw as quickly as possible. On the other hand, I hope that if there are members of your community who are hacking, you’ll be able to find them quickly and solve this problem.

Best regards,

~Kell

We’ve been watching you guys rise through the Tiers for a while now and are very interested to see where you guys will go. Props on the incredible rate you guys are moving up! This level of community organization and commitment is something evident of a potential Tier 1 server.

Excited to see your momentum and hope to see you guys soon!

-Kell

I’m a Commander on Jade Quarry and Blackgate offers some very stiff competition and exhibits impressive use of tactics and strategic player deployment. I’m confident anyone considering Blackgate as a server won’t be disappointed with what they find.

Rangers aren’t bad. Players are bad.

If I remember correctly, Rangers (Sylvari) were the #1 most played class at game launch so naturally, you have the most “scrubs” who don’t know how to make “heads or tails” of of their class.

I honestly think this is a big reason why there was/is so much ranger hate.

Honestly, I was wondering if this would work. At first I thought the same thing is the person above me….. “dude…… fireballs underwater?” But then I remembered my Elementalist and thought….If i can shoot magma and light stuff on fire underwater with that….why not with a sigil?

So if someone knows the definitive answer to this question that would be awesome!

Honestly, I run 20/30/10/10….

Its a trap build completely different from this one but I love it.

I think this build looks like a lot of fun and reminds me that people do well with Rangers even if I dont understand their build.

Honestly it’s one of the biggest mistakes a player can make to say “oh well….I don’t do well with traps…so they’re bad…or I didnt like sigils….so sigils are for noobs!!!” In all honesty, you can do well with a naked ranger with no traits and a torch if you know what youre doing.

Nice build man

Sarlack.4096:

Though not a One or Two button WIN class there is a lot of good to be said about the class. Steady and consistent if not spectacular damage from range while constantly moving has its merits.

I run a completely ranged Bow Ranger (AKA Gimp spec) and have a ton of fun with the class regardless of role..PvE, WvW, Dungeons. I have never been denied participation in any game content based on my class. In the end its about having Fun and like anything else…it will be what you make it….

As far as WvW I dare say I enjoy as much if not more success than the regular friends and guild mates I play with who all are playing “vastly superior classes” if I were to use feedback on the Ranger boards as a benchmark.

Do yourself a favor, play the class the way you want to. If you enjoy it then disregard all the feedback you see here and don’t look back. If you don’t enjoy it try something else. Don’t allow all the negative spin on these boards to discourage you from playing the class as it’s no where near as bad as many here would have you think.

I think the adage “The Grass is always greener…” has taken root on the Ranger boards..

This is poetry.

Trait Marksmen/Skirmishing/Wilderness Survival/Natural magic…. I run 20/30/10/10 and love it.

Honestly (as with any class) Ranger’s aren’t bad, players are bad. I’m not saying you’re a bad player in general, I’m just saying after 2 hours with it you aren’t a pro

Give it sometime. Rangers can be phenomenal once you learn how to work with it.