Guild Wars 2

SeranusGaming.7362:

This is a pretty impressive WvW video on how to run a power reaper:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XvaUasILUY

I’m pretty sure that was before the nerf to “Rise!”, so not even remotely viable.

glaphen.5230:

I’m just going to say it. The biggest Anti-Anti-Conditions players here are condition builds :/ The runner up to condition builds are shout bunkers/Necromancers.

Hardly, as others have mentioned the system isn’t implementing condition/dot game play well. Condition pressure doesn’t scale well past 3v3 against the amount of cross cleanse available.

If anything the dot and cleansing game play are in need of a rework.

runeblade.7514:

The problem with Courtyard isn’t Deathmatch. There has been threads after threads that people wanted deathmatch.

The problem is the implementation.

• Deathmatch should have been annihilation. Die once, no respawn.
• Reduce the size to 2v2 and 3v3. 5v5 is just too zergy.

You’ve hit on why it worked well in GW1, but has problems with the current system.

GW1 had limited resurrects from res sickness and the res utility. It also allowed matches to end earlier than the timer, so players didn’t need to get farmed under the current system.

Still TDM game mode along with other modes should have been in day1. Have the devs forgotten or ever played their predecessor? It just seems weird to have old PvP problems when many of those issues were resolved years ago.

Hamster.4861:

Between the three of them, they probably have more people engaged in WvW than all of bronze leaugue, and all of this is done under the guise of “getting people more engaged in wvw”?

I dont think so… They are literally taking turns getting first place. It could be so much fun to totally shut down a server during their “push week” but yall seem content to roll over and let the situation stagnate.

The goal is to sync the push weeks and event days for all three servers. It helps if you listen to the whole meeting.

Swamurabi.7890:

define: PUSH WEEK

It’s means overtime to commanders.

Justin ODell.9517:

SaintSnow.6593:

Couldn’t it just allow someone already in que to join by giving someone qued up a message to join in a on ongoing match?

The system will do that if someone declines or fails to confirm for the match.

I don’t think we want to do that for mid-match DCs. It would means pulling a player into a match in progress, which can be disorienting. There is also a good chance they’d be put on the losing team as the other team has had an advantage while this is happening. This just wouldn’t be fair to that player. Sure we could ask, but what if no one says yes?

Also, what do we do with the player that DC’d? Do they get dishonor? Do we give them a grace period?

What about the other players? Do we keep them idle until a replacement is found? How long do we wait? What happens after that?

There are other options as well. We could just cancel the match and no one gets ladder credit.

It might be doable, but we’d need a good user experience for all involved.

GW1 had a /surrender option, and a timer to auto end a match early if teams were unbalanced.

yanniell.1236:

I think it’s kinda stupid and that JQ’s militia is fine, but whateva.

Wrong, for the health of T1 it needed to be done.

The problem with EOTM, is that it’s a solution to a problem that no longer exists.

OS and other BL JP’s were for PvE players to get easy badges at the time. Once EOTM came out, the ktrain rewards made it obsolete. There’s a fundamental problem of the game competing with itself which creates dead areas. This is largely a management issue since they’re in control of what is worked on and released.

Buffy.9246:

vana.5467:

xGraver.4918:

Who cares what happens in NA it’s all dead.

Yak’s Bend.

He’s so right lmao. Ppt means everything to yaks bend.

That probably won’t help YB when things change to PPK then.

Given that scouting is unrewarding already, I don’t see how this helps the overall game play. Even in T1 this won’t go over well, since many guilds are tired of playing the PPT game and just hunt each other across maps for fights now. Anet any mechanic that encourages players to avoid each other and PvD, is bad game play.

Oh boy, that wall of salty text OP, thanks for the morning laugh.

Narkodx.1472:

While this happens often and I can attest to it myself as I play solo Q way more than I should I think I am at 2k games now lol

It just is not really proof it is just one instance – even though it happens often and the more you play the more you see it

Here is the problem – new players are constantly rotating into pvp and most do NOT stick around
They get roflstomped and quit – they constantly get 4v5 and quit – cheese/meta makes them quit too

In the end there are constant rabbits circulating into and out of solo q with only a few of us veterans still playing solo q – most are forming teams and going to team q now – esports

Solo Q needs a few things to fix it – eliminate 4v5 by having a “ready up” button and then we eliminate the leaderboards and create a hidden MMR which probably does not work anyway

New Leaderboard for team q is by TEAM only and we eliminate this individual rank garbage – reset leader board every 3 months – profit

This is the issue IMO

Rip PvP, Living story has all the resources.

DoomKnightMax.6592:

I do have friends on Jade Quarry, but I also know a large amount of amazingly high skilled players on Blackgate.

My question is, which one should I transfer to?

If you really want to come to T1. Join JQ or TC, post season morale and participation is low on both servers at the moment. Either could use more active PvP bodies.

-BG

oscuro.9720:

Hello! I am Oscuro of Kaineng. If you are on kaineng and frequent WvW, you probably know who I am. Kaineng is a low population server and I, and many of my fellow server mates, feel that way. Let me tell you the story of my time on GW 2 WvW!
<filler>
But, don’t ever, EVER, suggest combining lower tier server, ESPECIALLY if you aren’t in one!

As of this time all NA servers are tagged as very high, BG the only exception marked as full. There are plenty of people on all tiers, the poor participation has everything to do with incentive and game mode appeal.

yanniell.1236:

In all seriousness, just merge the kitten servers. Of all the solutions proposed on this thread, it’s the fastest and more realistic.

Let’s just use Occam’s razor. Sometimes the simplest explanations are the best.

Server merging doesn’t resolve the root participation problem. There are enough players on every server to fill WvW. It’s the lack of incentive to WvW in the first place for those that aren’t into PvP to begin with, not including fundamental game mode issues.

• 24 hour coverage
  • How do we make play time in off hours valuable without blowing out the score?
• Snowballing
  • How do we give worlds a fighting chance throughout the duration of the match?
  • How does my world break the hold that other worlds have on me when I’m behind?

If a scoring system must be maintained for 24/7, then active scoring would need to be more valuable than passive scoring.

Example situation worst case:
Take a current extreme mis-match of server A dominating server B & C where everything is owned by server A. Passive scoring is to valuable, and the undermanned servers B & C stop playing, since they only ever had enough active players to fill 1 map, and now can’t beat the passive scoring deficit from the extra unmanned maps. Server B & C have no reason to participate in the match.

Solution:
Switch scoring where active is more valuable, and lower passive scoring to a trickle no more than 15 -20% of the total by match end. The undermanned servers now have a chance to gain critical pop mass on a single map to fight, and gain enough points from active kills to stay competitive. During off hours the passive scoring isn’t enough to create huge point deficits, and overnight blobs k-training over a few roamers aren’t able to kill enough to skew overnight scores. Server stacking becomes far less advantageous as well.

• Stagnation
  Resolved with more rotations of servers, and reward economics being competitive with PvE content.

• How do I feel continuously challenged when my world is ahead?
  Resolved with scoring system change. Blowouts shouldn’t be a thing ever.

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

You might aswell remove the scoreboard really!

This has been suggested many times, which would also align closer with Anet’s WvW is supposed to be PvP casual. Whether that’s what we all want is another issue.

Mister Fluffkin.7358:

So basically, in my point of view the most important thing is to reward PvP to attract more players. It would be perfect if you could earn a lil bit more than spending your time in PvE if you win a lot. Than so much more people would start playing PvP and learn to love it. But Anet purely focuses on PvE, scared of loosing their playerbase over there. So PvP will stay that edge appearance of GW2. It will never become a famous esport title, because it never had the chance to. The combatsystem and the game mode(without admitting there should be more) has everthing it needs to have to become large, but the whole periphery around it is some of the worst in gaming history. :-(

I’ll argue the game mode is what held GW2 Arena back the most. Basically the one and only mode, which is of questionable popularity. Along with it’s predecessor having more than the single game mode. I was part of the crowd that expected GW1 game modes with GW2 combat system.

Immensus.9732:

Server merging was something that is happening often to other games including MMOs, why not to Gw2 as well?

Server merges make no sense under this system. Also PvP population is not a reflection of the server population. most of the NA servers report “Very High”, for total population.

What Anet should have done was preserve the PvE pop under a global overflow system, since servers for them don’t matter when doing carebear content. GW1 style for those that played the predecessor.

Then Anet should have made dedicated Battle servers for players to link to, not the 24 we have now, which is to many given the limited PvP population.

Heck it would be then easy for Anet to tier battle groups to cater to ZvZ battle groups, and lower the map cap for a different tier for havok sized battle servers. I guess under that system they could keep 24 or more depending on how the tier battle groups are defined.

Server: BG
League: Gold
Enjoyed Season 1: Week 1 awesome. The rest of season Meh.
Should we have season 2: Not under the current format. Team balance and Scoring need to change.

1) Match start balance. Never should matches start uneven.
2) For matches to far gone for various reasons, please bring back the team /surrender.
3) Quick and dirty copy GW1 HoH format + maps. It had a nice ladder system with multiple game modes.
4) Build template system from GW1
5) Not so quick and dirty. Viable build diversity is in deep need of attention. This is more of a please add more people to the PvP dev team request. GW1 I had over 300 builds in my GW1 template directory. GW2 unfortunately has barely 3-4 competitive builds per class.

dtzy.5901:

This thread has been disappointingly cordial.

Anyway,, this week’s match up was fun and did not disappoint! Hoping to get a bit more later.

You better start being mean to everyone or we’ll lose another thread.

SFShinigami.2015:

Could you imagine 50 magnets on one person? LOL

Or a 50 pet zerg on a commander? or 50 roots?

Chris.3290:

Krakah.3582:

So is JQ going to be nice and let SoR tie for second seat in the next 2 matches?

One would argue that if SoR is so weakened that JQ could manipulate the match to such a degree to allow TC to surpass them, then maybe they should (not that I approve of such measures, but I think you are grossly overestimating JQ and underestimating SoR)

I’m not arguing for which server is stronger or weaker. It’s possible for both JQ and SoR to work it out to end week 7 with 25 points each.

End of Week 6 JQ@19 +5 gets to 24 points, SoR@17 +3 gets 20 points.
End of Week 7 JQ@24 +1 gets to 25 points, SoR@20 +5 gets to 25 points

The question is are JQ and SoR willing to work it out for the next 2 weeks?

This also gives TC 3rd seat.

So is JQ going to be nice and let SoR tie for second seat in the next 2 matches?

Jayne.9251:

Via has national unity and gains momentum from that, plus a singular voice towards an overall cohesive plan. Think playing with family members vs playing with coworkers. They have nowhere near the 24/7 coverage that Blackgate does, even if they are the most 24/7 server in EU, but Blackgate (at least the one I remember fighting) was a bunch of voices in a whole. Strategy/tactics wise that gives Viz an advantage, but BGs off-hour numbers would prevail.

It’ll go down something like this.

Viz: Oi! these yanks are terrible at open field…thanks for the bags BG.
BG: Great open field distraction guys, and cross map pressure. We got multiple objectives, thanks for the towers/keeps Viz.

Everyone will pat themselves on the back for something. NA plays for PPT meta priority, EU has been open field meta priority.

Since the question is about who would win the match, NA is the clear winner for better PPT meta and coverage.

So…when does the committee vote on who gets on the committee for the WvW committee?

@OP, so natural selection?

morrolan.9608:

No-ones giving up, its mainly the number of hours being played being reduced without anyone else to cover coupled with BGs increase in coverage. The week 7 match will be extremely interesting.

Actually if BG locks the win from it’s 1v1 with JQ, BG won’t have any reason to play the PPT game, and can go balls deep looking for field fights. A week without having to scout or do upgrades and just bash heads would be sweet.

LetoII.3782:

England is EU east?

I take back the correction. It is as it stands, ZD gets on 1 hour before EU East. The UK EU West has the Atlantic dead zone advantage. Other than a current morale low there’s no reason why those 2 time periods shouldn’t break even for PPT.

Butter.3024:

Yes, but isn’t after Oceanic and before EU exactly where SEA is? All the Asian guilds? I know SOR has guilds that don’t speak English, that cover after Oceanic and before EU.

Basically anyone who speaks Russian, or Mandarin, or Korean fit into that “After Oceanic and before EU” zone.

OCX = SEA right
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I answered this for you in Week 2, here’s the re-post adjusted for the recent day light savings change, and updated with EU East/West.

Prime time is considered 7pm in the desired time zone.

Reference:
NA East – 4pm server time
NA Central – 5pm server time
NA Mountain – 6pm server time
NA Pacific – 7pm server time
OCE – 10pm server time (using NZ as start)
SEA – 3am server time
EU East– 9am server time
EU West– 11am server time

The irony of PvD claims against ZD getting on 1 hour before EU East. Is that UK guilds on SoR are in exactly the same position, if not in a better PPT situation with a 5 hour gap before NA East to do damage.

RiWiJo.7502:

SOR and BG are very equally matched during our NA primetime and usually the ppt is very close swinging one way or the other. The 10,000 ppt gains being made are not being made during that time. Any server that is making 10,000 ppt gain in a night is not meeting much resistance during that time—simple as that. Neither server has much to brag about during that time it is just a fact that BG has better coverage on their server than does SOR.

So does that destroy SOR’s moral—it shouldn’t and if it does you are putting too much into the game instead of playing to have fun. Does it boost BG’s moral and make them feel big and bad, it shouldn’t everyone knows what is going on including BG. When it comes down to a hard fight between equally populated servers at the same time all the servers are very tough. Then the outcomes will be close and hard fought. When they are not close and hard fought there is an imbalance somewhere and that is nothing to be proud of.

Actually SoR has the second strongest SEA presence when they show up, JQ being #1 in that area. As others have mentioned from your own server, the community isn’t inclusive to new players while under pressure. Thus the current perspective that BG looks stacked. If your WvW guilds are kittenting all over the militia it’s no mystery why SoR has no man power right now.

Also League Week2 weekend shows SoR has the bodies, with SoR players doing the “Haha we have your garri, thanks for the bags”, dance all weekend.

Zhrek.9781:

Well Played BG, you guys win, unless JQ can stop you, well played I must say =) As for SOR keep fighting til the end!

Isn’kitten bit early to throw up the white flag?

Skoti.3195:

Krakah.3582:

Last match was week 42.

Read my post again. If you are still having problem, then I can’t help you.

Oh you mean the problem with you cherry picking data to cry foul, and play the victim.

Funny you gloss over the previous 1v1 match between SoR & BG, where SoR EU was ticking well over 300 in Week 39. Which is a more relevant comparison to this match since it was the same 3 servers SoR/BG/TC.

Skoti.3195:

Let’s just check last matchup against big 3 servers.

Week 35

Let’s sum up these stats.

Average ticking point during IRON prime time:
JQ: 242,3438
BG: 214,5313
SoR: 237,5

You still see IRON dominance during EU primetime?

I didin’t include last 3 days in every matchup, beacuse first 4 days are crucial.

Last match was week 42. Also if you want to rate weekday coverage you’d have to start on your tuesday. As anything on your monday is still going to be cluttered with NA participating since it’ still their weekend.

Beannie.5982:

Anyhow… important things 1st.

Any karma train tonight? (4 hrs later), i need to farm me some achievements.

TCBL is running one atm, I’m sure it’ll be a choo choo fest all day friday before reset as well if you miss out on tonight.

Chris.3290:

We’re happy that we’re AGG’s #1 vacation destination.

Other folks on JQ might consider following suit since we face SoR and BG next week. Might be the ONLY chance you have to change BG’s trajectory to become number one (throw in some gold and we won’t pick sides either LOL)

It’s bribe time already? Are knee pads involved?

dragon.8071:

Krakah.3582:

JQ already bought a bunch of SEA off BG preseason, how bout you petition JQ to spread some of the SEA guild love.

i heard it was your new sea that kicked them out to jq? omen, plx, and ??? sounds more like a trade. only sea bg loss was a small group of merc? am i missing any others?

If you consider 50+ players with 2 veteran commanders small for SEA. This was the prime reason for all the League week 1, BG is dying yadda yadda talk. I guess the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

Hexin.5603:

After this week BG 10pts, JQ SoR, TC 6pts, Mags and SoS 4pts

BG wanna win – should consider sending some of your SEA/OCX force over to TC to ensure JQ does not win.

\lightbulb

JQ already bought a bunch of SEA off BG preseason, how bout you petition JQ to spread some of the SEA guild love.

package.5147:

Funny you should say this when just a couple weeks ago BG wouldnt come out and fight JQ when JQ was stomping BG. Why should SoR come out?

The preseason week? Believe what you will, BG guilds took that week off knowing they’d be doing OT for League week 1. Looks to have paid off for BG.

You seem mad?

mallas.9836:

Zikory.6871:

mallas.9836:

didn’t get her Hello Kitty Pez dispenser.

Hey now, That’s no laughing matter!

i worked with a 21 year old girl that would go on homicidal rampages if you made fun of Hello Kitty.. its srsbns

Video for science?

Shifty.4985:

Mayoken.9851:

So…. i came home to start reading the last 10 pages on this thread…
Guess what? It’s all the same kitten xD
Stop crying and do something about it. Bad coverage? Have a server meeting.
Guilds getting demoralized? Amp up and kittening fight.

BG was doing good and kicking kitten before ZD joined, so, come up w/ another excuse.

How about BG buying plenty of guilds to fill their gaps to stack theirs server and say its nothing.
But now you dont realise how much you have ruined WvW.
JQ dont want to fight you either and the other T2 servers wont offer much of a battle so we all hope your PvD is going well and we hope you dont get splinters..

Seriously though week one of the seasons was the best matchup in a long time but then BG obviously got kitten scared and had to buy guilds so they wouldnt get steam rolled. Gz on achieving it but in the process youve now ruined wvw for all other servers in the gold league as well for people on your own servers. I hope you enjoy your cold and pointless win in what was to be a great season..

ZD already posted they were not paid to transfer, their move surprised most of BG.

Also with the multiple guilds that left BG preseason. BG is on the negative end of guild transfers, and is playing it’s underdog position well.

Put in perspective the early SoR BGBL stomp fest. BG Militia kept showing up to get farmed for the whole weekend even when it was full cap between TC and SoR. It was both amazing the amount of punishment the militia was willing to take, and frustrating getting guild forces in there to turn it around.

SoR is suffering a morale issue, and if WvW guilds give up and don’t show, the militia will also give up. Learn from this, and figure out how to rebound from perceived defeat. For all the SoR forum warriors giving IRON crap, the defeatist attitude is across multiple time zones. IRON alone doesn’t carry SoR, nor are they the only EU guild on SoR.

Asudementio.8526:

Speaking for T2 i want as many good fights with as many servers as possible instead of this ridiculous feast or famine.

If guilds from the lower tier servers having blowout wins spread to Mag and SoS, T2 would be competitive with where TC is.

This of course doesn’t mean T2 would be able to compete with T1, at least not with the current server system. If Anet had made global servers there may have been more than the big 3 servers in NA/EU to compete against.

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

My new fav word: Outblobs

Are those blobs with outie belly buttons?

SleepingDragon.1596:

Krakah.3582:

Butter.3024:

Anyone knows when is NA prime time? SEA prime time? EU prime time?

Prime time is considered 7pm in the desired time zone.

Reference:
NA East – 4pm server time
NA Central – 5pm server time
NA Mountain – 6pm server time
NA Pacific – 7pm server time
OCE – 11pm server time (using NZ as start)
SEA – 4am server time
EU – 10am server time

Based on this info, I can say JQ’s weak spots are OCE and EU.
OCE: BG outblobs JQ that outblobs SOR
EU: BG outblobs SOR that oublobs JQ or BG outblobs SOR&JQ combined
SEA: JQ outblobs BG that outblobs SOR
NA: Typically it’s SOR that outblobs BG that outblobs JQ. Recently it’s “Achievement Chasers” outblobs all 3 servers combined.

Way to much inferring with source? from a general time zone chart.

Butter.3024:

Anyone knows when is NA prime time? SEA prime time? EU prime time?

Prime time is considered 7pm in the desired time zone.

Reference:
NA East – 4pm server time
NA Central – 5pm server time
NA Mountain – 6pm server time
NA Pacific – 7pm server time
OCE – 11pm server time (using NZ as start)
SEA – 4am server time
EU – 10am server time

Doomdesire.9365:

Matchups part of the forums needs to be deleted

You may be right since SoR forum warriors are trolling their own server.

o.O

Avenge.1478:

Well, I guess we had a good thing going here until now. Thanks for the previous close matchup BG, enjoy steamrolling now :|!

Steamrolling? Isn’kitten bit early to give up the match?

BAEK.8561:

All in all, who cares. This isn’t to say that one server is better than the other. We should all just be grateful for great fights because what would BG or SoR be without the other?

To answer, both servers would be bored to tears.