Guild Wars 2

KingOiS.8196:

Reaper Alim.4176:

It’s the system working as intended. You either like it. Or find a system that more so suits your needs. This system is here to stay as is, enjoy! Or bye!

Except for it is not. If you looked at my statistics in the picture I provided above, you can see that I have been playing this game for a long time. This is the first time that I have encountered this. This is not the system working as intended.

Hmmmmm have to be honest here the only thing that picture told us is that you haven’t been PvPing very long. Or if you have it wasn’t in ranked.

is that a new acct? Your MMR is going to be a little unstable due to no having many matches. Sounds like the rating system is just trying to figure out where you belong. Or it could just be the evil anet devs have conspired wit each other to make sure you never become the pro player you were destined to be. which one seems more likely

nothing. bad match ups happen in every game. I find it hilarious people will complain that this game is too easy and its a spam fest yet there are games that are imbalanced…. You know why? Skill disparity. Its those same people complaining about losing and bad match ups that claim the game is a spam fest.

cant do it by individuals, you would have people just focusing on certain things and ignoring the bigger picture.

If you cant make plat its not your team fault. Moreover not everyone should be able to plat

agreed completely skill spam there is no difference between legendary players and bronzies…… =/

Kuya.6495:

SneakyTouchy.6043:

You would think that if matching were tighter and if teams were actually MMR balanced with a real algorithm —while going into a match-- that this simply wouldn’t happen. .

This is false as hell. No system, no matter how sophisticated, will ever be able to avoid anomalies. And the billion dollar question is:

is the whinning on this forum representative of the way matchmaking is working or is this forum representative of the anomalies due to self selection bias (dissatisfied customers tend to express their opinions more than the satisfied ones)?

You are more likely to voice your opinions on the forums if you are having a negative experience. But trying to explain that to those people is like throwing hot dogs down a hallway

duster.7013:

All I know for sure is that actually playing matches is underrated and that winning your placements is extremely overvalued.

Wait wait wait you mean people need to play to get better? Blasphemy I paid for this game and I should win.

70% win rate on a pally shout necro……. or diviner chrono wells necro……. neither are meta. One has ZERO condi clear.

Don’t worry some day they will buff PU like before

Keadron.9570:

Crinn.7864:

witcher.3197:

Greatsword is like reaper shroud but worse. 5/5 staff skills build life force, 4/5 are unblockable, and skills #3-5 can do some serious pressure. It’s the swiss army knife of necro builds.

Except greatsword LF generation scales with the number of targets struck. Landing GS#3 on just two targets will net you more LF than landing all 5 of the staff skills put together.
Also Staff has no pressure on a power build, you forget that transfers scale off the necro’s condi damage, so on a power build putrid mark is pretty pathetic in terms of damage.

He/she isn’t running a pure power build though. Ammy is power, vitality, condi. He/she is going for a hybrid build

He wasn’t talking about the OPs build he responded to patrick.

We all know this isn’t the only thing. Granted if said player has not already made multiple posts about different negative topics then yes I concede Crinn would be wrong to say something about the skills he’s using. If you think he was rude your free to think away. Just seemed like a more experienced necromancer giving another advice. He didn’t just discover some new crazy build we all know he WOULD improve both his immediate game and his experiences down the road if he just used something better than that. Doesn’t even have to be a meta build. I don’t play meta builds top often either but I do well enough.

Xibalbar.7459:

Crinn.7864:

Maybe you’d win more if you stopped running lich form, mainhand dagger, and signet of undeath.

And it doesnt matter what he is playing, it doesnt mean anyone can be afk because he only will play with “metabuilduser”.

Crinn didnt mention anything about the afker. Only that he would have more luck in matches (this includes non 4v5s) if he used a better build. Hell he doesnt have to use a meta build but at least use one that makes sense.

its pretty obvious hes just trying to get followers

Ithilwen.1529:

Thank you, source please. Are gm’s able to assign dishonor?

Do you think a gm is out to get you?

AliamRationem.5172:

It’s a shame so many PvP players are so caught up in their precious rating that they’d rather just give up than play for the love of the game. Even worse when you consider that comeback victories happen literally all the time and they’re usually the most exciting matches you’ll have.

Just play. Losing is not the end of the world and you never know what might have happened if you afk out or sit in spawn talking trash instead of going out there and trying to win.

It’s is the same people complaining on the forums about the matchmaking. I’ve won games 4v5. You don’t quit even if you know they are better than you. Learn from it. Also when you know the game is out of hand don’t stop trying to play it smart, don’t just just dive in and button mash because you think they are better. Try to figure out why they were better use the experience for the next match. It’s gonna take time…. nah you know what it took me like 5 minutes to write this out. It’s so much easier to just run to the forums. I get it now. Fiat Lux

i believe everyone should have the chance to win a tournament of skill even if they dont have any!

Ralkuth.1456:

I dunno, 150 point difference comebacks occur in 1% of my games and they were pretty hype.

I’m rather conflicted about having a /gg button though, instead of going afk you will now have preachers in chat telling everyone to give up besides giving up themselves. It’s not like you can’t ruin the game quick if you afk in spawn already…

We can make constraints to a resign button like 4v5 for 2 minutes, no pip progress, only after 5 minutes game time etc. but it’s best to not have it at all. Games aren’t that long and if you can’t wait and need to relieve yourself, just close the game.

The competitive nature of PvP and perhaps because of how bullheaded I am, even if we are losing badly and players on the other team doubt the point of our existence, I will not stop playing + try my best to learn from them. I’m not giving up in spirit.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/6lkqqg/can_you_please_add_a_resign_function_to_pvp/

Points made in opposition by users to this idea include:

Proper mindset. Instead of having the invisible influence of “break the cauldrons sink the boats” (lack of resign option) indirectly encouraging players to fight on and play to win, you want to fish for a lucky comp and opening and give up otherwise. Toxic.

Abuse button. GW1 “Red Resign Day”. Losses grant pips, so what’s stopping ultra rapid pip farm?

As a PvPer, deal with losses. Grace in defeat. (Is this like in WvW where you Alt F4 before a stomp or jump off a ledge so you don’t “lose”? That’s rather childish.)

If it’s a definite loss, that’s your cue to try stuff with no pressure to win. Experiment with rotations and duel someone you had issues with. Take something away from the match.

20 minutes max and 13 minutes average is pretty short game time already. Bad losses that you know 3 minutes in probably don’t last longer than 10 minutes; LoL has a 20 minute limit on resign.

You are simply adding more official incentive to give up; we don’t need to encourage throws.

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Maybe it’s just me but if you’re playing PvP even casually, you should always try to win. Improving and winning close games where you wouldn’t have before is the thrill of PvP. Hiding behind excuses like “oh I’m casual bronze silver gold why even try” “this is unranked why serious, kitten tryhard mom basement lololol” “you’re all trash but not me” “(insert personal attack whisper spam)”, the more you make excuses for your losses the less you’ll learn. You’ll slip behind people who improve and continue loss streaks.

they dont want to learn from their experiences, this game should just make a player vs AI pvp mode so those people that just want the rewards stop voicing their opinions in a high pitched tone.

All Matters Fecal.9560:

Kaburro.4712:

I don’t really doubt that there are bots cos I noticed this behavior on last season, but this time is to obvious.
The “or” part was about who put the bots there. Think about it for a sec.
Anyway this thread will be deleted soon I think.

Ooooh…plot thickens!

It’s not anet, most bots that I’ve run into are usually semi manned. Like you can definitely tell when the human takes over so my guess is they run a few clients or computers or something at once with either some very extensive macros or essentially a bot program that he can manually take over every now and then.

They probably try to keep all 3 accounts close to the same rating and sync the q.

its most likely the leaps and you are just a little laggy

Hot Boy.7138:

Sherman.4631:

People saying it brings toxicity is nothing more than an extension of the community (sPvP) which is the most toxic I have ever seen in any video game, so pretty much adding gasoline to the fire for them

That makes sense. Spvp community in this game is also the most toxic community I have ever come across in any game.

guess you haven’t played very many games.

I can carry bad teams on a necro even though I’m not very good. If you learn how to kite on a necro and make the other team chase you around your team is free to kill them.

Shaogin.2679:

Fear not, I am currently selling tin foil hats for 50 gold a piece! Get your protection today!

You sir just channelled my feelings directly. Did we just become best friends?

@jmoney
Listen I’ve made high plat and legend and the games get crazy hard to crazy easy. But it’s because this game is much harder than anyone gives it credit for. I can hit those levels and I’m not super dedicated and I don’t think I’m like exceptionally talented or anything. As I said I’ve played at those levels and in tourneys. Yet the true top top level players make me look like I’m a wood rank still. Only solo q didn’t grind games for rank. Played a necro and usually not even the meta builds. I’ve honestly won most of my games by splitting between a div ammy chrono rune wells necro and a shout soldier pally necro. But what I learned most is no matter what build its all skill timing watching the mini map paying attention to enemy boons(I’m assuming you know to monitor what condis are on yourself and your hp). Know the other classes skills. <—that’s a big one.

People quit when things get hard. The truly special players push past that point.

flow.6043:

Panda.1967:

they’ve been using the transferor’s stats for more than a couple years now.

Wrong.

Also, this change was never mentioned in any patch notes, so your presumtion about the intention behind it is a guess at best, epsecially since your timing is off by at least 3 years.
For all we know it might as well have been an unintetional change.

Also, the stack cap used to be 25.

i remember it being mention in some patch notes but i cant remember if it was right before hot dropped or right after but it was in that time frame, as i was playing essentially a power necro built to transfer condis at the time it was a big deal to me. It was absolutely intentional i think they even mentioned when they made the change the original way it was was the unintentional one.

now that i think more about it i think it was just before hot, as i believe i was also playing a signet necro at the time.

TheDevice.2751:

Im going to blow the lid off this kitten system.

I think either one.. they just have some very kittened up system to make their players have to retrace their ladder “steps” in too heavy a number to keep them playing.

Or, and trust me when I say this, they have an actualy Naughty List, that they add your name to if you’ve been mean on their forums or whatever. Making it so you are matched with people with far less rating than you.

I’m actually getting all this other evidence together. This game is going to kittening die.

i would be what people consider naughty. No idea how many infractions I’ve had, yet i maintain a high win percentage. on a necro. solo queue. By your logic i should be rated higher than i am?

it wasnt shortly after the game was launched. Pretty sure it was either after hot or right before hot that they changed the transfers to use the transferers stats and not the original casters stats

someone the other day joked that he/she is actually just an ANET employee trolling us lol, starting to believe its just a caricature of how ANET sees the average poster on here.

They don’t tell the Patriots Tom has to play for the other team

Ithilwen.1529:

MyPuppy.8970:

Or make them walk naked from Lion’s Arch to Divinity’s Reach.

Shame! Shame! Shame! * ding *

You forgot tying them behind the Dolyakcart and lashing them as they walk… I knew there were good things about being a late Medieval/ Renaissance MMO.

with lasers.

Lahmia.2193:

NeXeD.3042:

Lahmia.2193:

They already tried this during HoT beta with Reaper’s Shroud, but the feedback they got made them remove it. You’re a minority in wanting this, no matter how loudly you shout on the forums.
Also as I wrote on reddit, balancing around lag and people’s inability not to spam buttons is not the way a company should balance.

you sir are evil!

From my point of view the op is evil!

I know i was just pandering to the VOCAL minority.

we both know its a l2p issue.

Lahmia.2193:

They already tried this during HoT beta with Reaper’s Shroud, but the feedback they got made them remove it. You’re a minority in wanting this, no matter how loudly you shout on the forums.
Also as I wrote on reddit, balancing around lag and people’s inability not to spam buttons is not the way a company should balance.

you sir are evil!

i agree all the good people definitely quit because the MM was making them lose……..

anyone else see the issue with a statement like this?

rise has been officially over nerfed.

i still find times when i still flash ds for some situations. Just try not be so spammy when hitting your ds/rs button…

Ralkuth.1456:

Silv’s opinions seem fair to me. You’ll be relying on corrupts to bring out your high condi damage.

This build reminds me of Barbarian Curses Shouts. It can be ok on side nodes with a 32k+ health pool, but lack killing burst.
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNBhOD7kZTobTs2GwcTgeTscMYR9stVAg6H8EiVx3wf4QE-TJRWABTUGA6nAAA7P88FBAA

Speaking of tanky, anyone crazy enough to try a Chrono Rune Wells build? Thrown together:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQRBIhdG1IHNUTjt0gPNwejllBLOGeD3hTfgAwLg6GcESVA-TJh9gAAlBkPJAO7PM/EAAA

was playing one for like 4 seasons… some differences…. i opted for go for Diviner ammy, also used GS d/w and went full wells even the heal lol. Also opted for the CtB over golem. Essentially had zero condi clear and zero toughness still made plat with it.

You guys do understand that you shouldn’t be able to just clear condis as them come…. that would make conditions completely useless…. if you burn your condi clears on some condis and then get hit with 10 stacks of burn/bleed/torment/confusion/poison it’s not a design flaw you got outplayed or you probably shouldn’t have engaged that particular enemy.

i am so sick of this woe is me necro bs

I cant believe im the only one who isnt perfect mechanically and perfect at rotations….. since all these people must be playing like a pro and still losing. Otherwise the problem lies with player not the game.

Lord Velar.1509:

The top 100 necros players don’t complain because they don’t get to see the issues that the rest of us are complaining about.

Make a necros, level it to 80, and go do spvp, then come back and say that.

Youll be focused down and killed the second the other team realizes you exist in an instant.

My condi build is a staff/ scepter warhorn build. The last match I played today had, not a guardian, not an ele, but a warrior who seemed completely unaffected by my condi bomb and would keep me interrupted every chance he got.

Before that match my biggest issue was two thieves on the other team (1 was enough). All I could do is try and hide behind my team and that didn’t help, the entire time all I could do is just wait for the respawn screen.

Then there was the match before that where the other team just kept cleansing my condis leaving me wondering just wtf to do next.

Then there was the cc spam kitten before that one, I could barely get a spell out due to being knocked back 24/7, and don’t give me that “just dodge” crap. Necros can only evade twice and since most of the people I run against have more than two cc abilities I was pretty much screwed either way

Reaper shroud didn’t even help. I’d try to turn it on in the midst of getting burst down and all the life force I built up would seem to just vanish in the blink of an eye putting me back at my regular health and then dead.

Stop trying to defend that moa kitten too. Yet again once a necros is morphed into a moa that’s, it, theyre gonna die. I tried running away, evading away, nothing works.

1: you have too many conditions eating away at you
2: getting morphed doesn’t mean that the other team is going to stop attacking you
3:even if you do survive being morphed the second you return back to normal youre still going to get downed regardless, unless the other team isn’t very bright

Ive rolled a thief, Mesmer, guardian, and rev. I don’t seem to have as big of an issue with most of what ive complained about in this thread with those classes. If anything when I play one of my alts I barely even notice it. Yet I can sit here and pick out every thing that’s unbalanced when I’m playing my necros…..one hell of a coincidence if you ask me.

Necros sucks and bad and whether you like it or not there is no excuse for it.

I get the idea of it being the “glass cannon” class, but ive played many other mmos with glass cannon classes that did not fail this bad.

Yet again look at WoWs warlocks which are the best comparison in terms of role that I can think of. A warlock in WoWs pvp is feared and treated the same there as necros is here. Any experienced team will know to focus down the lock or pay the price for not doing so.

However, unlike necros they don’t have to just sit there and get there faces beaten in, they have at least 3 abilities that allow them to gain mobility alone. That’s not including the other defensive abilities they have and cc.

With where necros stands as I said before, you only have 3 build choices, 1 of which is useless and that is the toughness tank necros (youre still going to die in the blink of an eye and your damage will be trash)

The other two are power precision and condi necros, that’s it.

Condi necros can be defeated by cleansing condition and transferring said conditions so once that happens the condi necros is really just there for show.

Power precision is great however youll be heavily reliant on your reaper shroud which really doesn’t last very long if youre being focused or cc’d down.

Yet again….this is the only class that ive noticed have these issues.

You can hate me for saying it all you want, but Anet seems like they need to take a note or two from other mmos like Revelation, Bless, WoW, Rappelz, etc cause this is really a poor excuse for a casting class

They see the same issues. Difference is they adapt and overcome rather than deciding theres nothing they can do and voicing their displeasure in a high pitched tone on the forums.

Erzian.5218:

Not even top 250 :^)

didnt play much last season and anet has already come out and said they made it to hard to hit legendary last season. If i had played more games last season i absolutely would have mad plat 2 or 3. Finished gold 3. With only like 45 games maybe.

Erzian.5218:

GJ on farming the NA gold/silver/bronze division. Unfortunately, I do not see how that makes necro less dependent on support/ele in higher divisions/mmr.

plat 3 and legendary

Erzian.5218:

Svarty.8019:

Sly.9518:

the same two things Woe is Necro and Teef Op… and when you link the same video from 2013 to [..] justify your post in a lot of them…

Clearly, there’s some upset on your part and for this I apologise.

The vast majority of other posters are saying similar things; Woe IS Necro, and Thief IS OP. The video remains relevant to this day – it’s age is irrelevant.

I want you to know that I respect your opinion but that I find your position to be obviously untenable. Perhaps you enjoy a challenge on the forum because you don’t get one in the game.

Necro struggles in solo queue. It is fine as soon as you have a competent ele with you. Thief is top tier (perhaps op) but it has nothing to do with that outdated video.

60-70% winrate without an ele solo q as a necro.

the vast majority of players dont even post on the forums.

its the unhappy vocal minority that post.

who is more likely to post the people having fun and are engrossed in the game ?

Or the person who is frustrated and upset?

Not hard is it.

Erzian.5218:

NeXeD.3042:

Put any of those necros in solo q and they would still win games.

Funny that you said that because half of those necros are actually people who almost exclusively played warrior in ranked during the last and when they played necro, they were duo with an ele :^)
Then the there is the necro who won the tournament.. he usually plays mesmer and occasionally thief. Apparently the class is so hard to play, that only people who actually don’t play it can do it. Makes sense. It is certainly not related to solo vs duo vs organized play.

NeXeD.3042:

I’m not the best player by any stretch yet when I see something I don’t just bang my head against the wall. I identify the problem and either fix it or do what I can to mitigate it.

Guess what, most necros have already identified it. As the leaderboards show, they have also found the fix: Contrary to what you think, it seemingly was not to improve themselves, but to duo queue with an ele

Edit: Don’t get me wrong. Of course they would still win games as they are great players in general but I am also sure, that their overall performance and winrate would have been significantly worse if they had solo queued nec or duo queued nec without support.

Btw it seems a bit off that some guilds are listed with their guild tags where as most are not on the ugo webpage.

I solo q as a necro. I’ve managed to have a career winrate in ranked over 60%. I wish there was an easy way to check but id bet since seasons came out im probably closer to 70%. And to make it worse i typically dont play a meta build…. Most of those seasons besides season 1 and 2 when i played rev i was using a Chrono Runes all wells GS d/w necro.

Never had an ele babysitting me and im not the best player, but i learned when to engage and when not too, and i learned to not just spam the kitten out of my skills whenever they are off cooldown.

So forgive me if i dont feel sorry for anyone who struggles in the same meta that i can use a freaking chrono runes diviner ammy necro WITH ALMOST ZERO condi clear and come out with a 60-70% winrate……

Erzian.5218:

ArthurDent.9538:

Those poor horribly under-powered necros, clearly broken and useless.

All those necros clearly solo queued. Oh wait it was a 5v5 tournament aka organized play aka not what necro players complain about.

Put any of those necros in solo q and they would still win games. Don’t want to sound like the old guy or anything but I’ve been around these woods for a while and necro players are just bad I don’t know why…. it’s like you start off as a newbie and you find out necro seems to be easy to play and your winning (low level) then once you start getting mid to high level the same stuff isn’t working but they just keep banging their head against that wall and then come to the forums and claim it’s the games fault.

I’m not the best player by any stretch yet when I see something I don’t just bang my head against the wall. I identify the problem and either fix it or do what I can to mitigate it.

It seems as though there are far less people with that approach to PvP than there are to those that lose a couple games decide it’s their team, their class, their Internet, their computer, their router, their modem, their parents, their older brother, their younger sister, their 2nd cousin twice removed, their dog, their cat, their parakeet.

It’s never their fault.

TheQuickFox.3826:

Well, the current meta doesn’t fit my play style and if the current state of the game does not allow much build diversity I’ll have to live with less-than-optimal results. Thanks anyways.

current state of game actually has quite a bit of diversity in the mid and low tier pvp…. Its really not until the you get to higher tier, and honestly its more specifically tournament play 5v5 full teams where its becomes less diverse.

So yes you are correct since you are a pro level player and have no room to improve it is most definitely the builds fault and nothing else.

Nikkinella.8254:

Eh, i think your numbers are a bit off. I think its more like 10% luck, 20%skill, 15% concentrated power of will. 5% pleasure, and 50% build.

you forgot 100% reason to remember the name

coro.3176:

I stopped playing because everything is OP

What I mean is that the best builds are so good at what they do that you are seriously handicapping yourself by playing anything other than the meta. That’s not particularly interesting to me.

I miss pre-HoT combat where the power level difference between the best builds and the rest was much closer. You could play an off-meta build and not feel like a liability to your team.

i play multiple off meta builds and do just fine… without full team 5v5 the meta builds aren’t necessarily the best builds all the time. But sure blame the builds not the players……..

Reaper Alim.4176:

ParanoidKami.2867:

I love the game but couldn’t stand the matchmaking. Teams were never balanced and it seems like the system just tries to make a fast group as opposed to only matching people of similar skill. Getting up to new ranks is also a grind. Hundreds of games to go up a new rank for me even if I was winning 8/10 games and people in the top 10 just had some lucky placements that got them there. When my games finally evened out to 50/50, it was because my teammates got worse and not because I had harder opponents to go against.

I log on every so often to mess around with random builds, but I’m not taking the game seriously until they fix their matchmaking algorithm. I have had more balanced games in smaller communities so there’s really no excuse.

I agree on all your points.

A bunch of ex-GW2’s PvPers have been warning ANet since season 3. Nobody was willing to listen. they was just too happy with farming these players in unbalanced matches after matches. So these players simply got fed and stopped or left completely.

Boom population crisis started.

And the people crying its the end of the world all is in vain certainly helped =/

Phantom.5389:

NeXeD.3042:

Cant say one way or another, but in my experiences the builds are different some of the strategies are different.

IN MY EXPERIENCES when i did do both alot typically i had no problem beating any roamer i encountered on a power necro.

To be frank. Roaming died a couple years ago. What is left is a cesspool for the most part with a shiny oasis once in a while.

Back when Obsidian Sanctum fight club existed…when Windmill was a hot spot and the spot near near south camp bridge had skirmishes happening 24/7…When taking north camp and getting instant response from roamers was a thing… That was the golden age of roaming. Epic memories were made during that time <3

yeah i havent roamed in liked two years… so thats the time im talking about. My statement stands.

Tyrion.9015:

https://www.change.org/p/arenanet-make-gw1-playable-esport-able-and-competitive-again

its not happening.