Guild Wars 2

Sooloo.1364:

It’s been like this every season, the matchmaker decides the winners before you even spawn. I dunno how that is supposed to be fun for anybody.

every game does this…… the mm of every game will know one if one team is favored or not…..

just because your not favored to win doesnt mean you wont….. winning that game will improve your rating far more than beating a team you should beat… thats called progress.

Starbreaker.6507:

Wasn’t the pip system from seasons 1-4 worse because of the safety net they put into place?

I remember late-season low ruby game and they were absolutely awful filled with people that had no business being there, but ground their way up into it.

yep you could literally grind your way to legendary with enough games.

BloodriverTim.2031:

NeXeD.3042:

BloodriverTim.2031:

NeXeD.3042:

BloodriverTim.2031:

NeXeD.3042:

BloodriverTim.2031:

NeXeD.3042:

BloodriverTim.2031:

Phineas Poe.3018:

Cynz.9437:

Phineas Poe.3018:

Burjis.3087:

It seems to me, that advancing up the ladder is almost impossible for me unless I have a win rate of above 70% based on the amount of points I lose and gain.

Just curious, but why do you think you should advance up the ladder without winning at least 2 out of every 3 games?

That you have to have a win rate of 70% or better to advance up the ladder is kind of the point; if you’re hovering around a 50% win rate, you’re probably exactly where you should be.

You assume that matchmaking creates fair matches LOL. Newsflash: it doesn’t. Of course, game can’t measure all player skills but it doesn’t even attempt to create fair matches based on measurable numbers like MMR and rating….

Why do you think the system creates unfair matches? What makes them so?

I’ve seen several instances personally where if I win more than three or four in a row, I go on a losing streak of about the same. The matchmaking wants to keep you at a 50% winrate and will do what it needs to in order to achieve that. Of the last 20 games, maybe 3 have been close in point spread at the end; the rest have been blowouts either win or loss. When I say blowout, I mean the losing team loses by 200+ points. This seems to be the standard for the season for most people from what I hear.

Please explain how ive managed a 60% career winrate

I don’t get why I’m getting flamed. This is how the system works whether or not you want to believe it. You can manage a better than 50/50 by not playing enough games, which would cause you to still be below your true placement.

im not flaming you, and i have a decent amount of career games……. Im not sure if you are complaining about having a 50% winrate or complaining that the system forces you into a 50% winrate… however i and quite a few others have managed to maintain over a 60% winrate. How exactly is that possible if the system forces you to have a 50% winrate.

The new system tries to get you to 50% winrate. The old system made winning players win more and losing players lose more. As you play more games in this new system. You will trend toward 50%, or be at the top of the leaderboards.

Wrong. My winrate is career and i started very shortly after the start of the game. Please show me proof the “Old” system made winners win and losers lose?

I know what you think you are talking about but im pretty sure what your talking about was only during 1 or 2 seasons total. Yet this game has been using glicko2 since launch.

If you did trend to 50% and stay there, id say you belong there.

Sorry but I’m not wrong…
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/upcoming-changes-for-pvp-league-season-5/
In seasons 1-4, the system paired you with teammates who were similar in skill to you, and it put you against players in your same pip range regardless of their skill rating. This forced players with low skill ratings to fall, and pushed players with high skill rating up in a spiral. Please stop flaming and learn more before posting.

Im not flaming please show me where it says it is forcing you to have a 50% winrate?

I’m done, good luck champ. It clearly doesn’t say that in plain English, but if you knew anything about matchmaking then you’d understand that that is the goal of the system. Congrats, you dragged me down to your level and beat me with your experience.

I understand the matchmaking quite well and i also understand I and many other people have managed to maintain winrates over 60% even with this so called forced 50% win that if you search through some post history of devs you would find multiple devs saying there is no such things a 50% forced winrate.

BloodriverTim.2031:

NeXeD.3042:

BloodriverTim.2031:

NeXeD.3042:

BloodriverTim.2031:

NeXeD.3042:

BloodriverTim.2031:

Phineas Poe.3018:

Cynz.9437:

Phineas Poe.3018:

Burjis.3087:

It seems to me, that advancing up the ladder is almost impossible for me unless I have a win rate of above 70% based on the amount of points I lose and gain.

Just curious, but why do you think you should advance up the ladder without winning at least 2 out of every 3 games?

That you have to have a win rate of 70% or better to advance up the ladder is kind of the point; if you’re hovering around a 50% win rate, you’re probably exactly where you should be.

You assume that matchmaking creates fair matches LOL. Newsflash: it doesn’t. Of course, game can’t measure all player skills but it doesn’t even attempt to create fair matches based on measurable numbers like MMR and rating….

Why do you think the system creates unfair matches? What makes them so?

I’ve seen several instances personally where if I win more than three or four in a row, I go on a losing streak of about the same. The matchmaking wants to keep you at a 50% winrate and will do what it needs to in order to achieve that. Of the last 20 games, maybe 3 have been close in point spread at the end; the rest have been blowouts either win or loss. When I say blowout, I mean the losing team loses by 200+ points. This seems to be the standard for the season for most people from what I hear.

Please explain how ive managed a 60% career winrate

I don’t get why I’m getting flamed. This is how the system works whether or not you want to believe it. You can manage a better than 50/50 by not playing enough games, which would cause you to still be below your true placement.

im not flaming you, and i have a decent amount of career games……. Im not sure if you are complaining about having a 50% winrate or complaining that the system forces you into a 50% winrate… however i and quite a few others have managed to maintain over a 60% winrate. How exactly is that possible if the system forces you to have a 50% winrate.

The new system tries to get you to 50% winrate. The old system made winning players win more and losing players lose more. As you play more games in this new system. You will trend toward 50%, or be at the top of the leaderboards.

Wrong. My winrate is career and i started very shortly after the start of the game. Please show me proof the “Old” system made winners win and losers lose?

I know what you think you are talking about but im pretty sure what your talking about was only during 1 or 2 seasons total. Yet this game has been using glicko2 since launch.

If you did trend to 50% and stay there, id say you belong there.

Sorry but I’m not wrong…
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/upcoming-changes-for-pvp-league-season-5/
In seasons 1-4, the system paired you with teammates who were similar in skill to you, and it put you against players in your same pip range regardless of their skill rating. This forced players with low skill ratings to fall, and pushed players with high skill rating up in a spiral. Please stop flaming and learn more before posting.

Im not flaming so please stop accusing me of flaming i do not appreciate your unkind words. please show me where it says it is forcing you to have a 50% winrate?

BloodriverTim.2031:

NeXeD.3042:

BloodriverTim.2031:

NeXeD.3042:

BloodriverTim.2031:

Phineas Poe.3018:

Cynz.9437:

Phineas Poe.3018:

Burjis.3087:

It seems to me, that advancing up the ladder is almost impossible for me unless I have a win rate of above 70% based on the amount of points I lose and gain.

Just curious, but why do you think you should advance up the ladder without winning at least 2 out of every 3 games?

That you have to have a win rate of 70% or better to advance up the ladder is kind of the point; if you’re hovering around a 50% win rate, you’re probably exactly where you should be.

You assume that matchmaking creates fair matches LOL. Newsflash: it doesn’t. Of course, game can’t measure all player skills but it doesn’t even attempt to create fair matches based on measurable numbers like MMR and rating….

Why do you think the system creates unfair matches? What makes them so?

I’ve seen several instances personally where if I win more than three or four in a row, I go on a losing streak of about the same. The matchmaking wants to keep you at a 50% winrate and will do what it needs to in order to achieve that. Of the last 20 games, maybe 3 have been close in point spread at the end; the rest have been blowouts either win or loss. When I say blowout, I mean the losing team loses by 200+ points. This seems to be the standard for the season for most people from what I hear.

Please explain how ive managed a 60% career winrate

I don’t get why I’m getting flamed. This is how the system works whether or not you want to believe it. You can manage a better than 50/50 by not playing enough games, which would cause you to still be below your true placement.

im not flaming you, and i have a decent amount of career games……. Im not sure if you are complaining about having a 50% winrate or complaining that the system forces you into a 50% winrate… however i and quite a few others have managed to maintain over a 60% winrate. How exactly is that possible if the system forces you to have a 50% winrate.

The new system tries to get you to 50% winrate. The old system made winning players win more and losing players lose more. As you play more games in this new system. You will trend toward 50%, or be at the top of the leaderboards.

Wrong. My winrate is career and i started very shortly after the start of the game. Please show me proof the “Old” system made winners win and losers lose?

I know what you think you are talking about but im pretty sure what your talking about was only during 1 or 2 seasons total. Yet this game has been using glicko2 since launch.

If you did trend to 50% and stay there, id say you belong there.

50% of the time it works everytime!

BloodriverTim.2031:

NeXeD.3042:

BloodriverTim.2031:

Phineas Poe.3018:

Cynz.9437:

Phineas Poe.3018:

Burjis.3087:

It seems to me, that advancing up the ladder is almost impossible for me unless I have a win rate of above 70% based on the amount of points I lose and gain.

Just curious, but why do you think you should advance up the ladder without winning at least 2 out of every 3 games?

That you have to have a win rate of 70% or better to advance up the ladder is kind of the point; if you’re hovering around a 50% win rate, you’re probably exactly where you should be.

You assume that matchmaking creates fair matches LOL. Newsflash: it doesn’t. Of course, game can’t measure all player skills but it doesn’t even attempt to create fair matches based on measurable numbers like MMR and rating….

Why do you think the system creates unfair matches? What makes them so?

I’ve seen several instances personally where if I win more than three or four in a row, I go on a losing streak of about the same. The matchmaking wants to keep you at a 50% winrate and will do what it needs to in order to achieve that. Of the last 20 games, maybe 3 have been close in point spread at the end; the rest have been blowouts either win or loss. When I say blowout, I mean the losing team loses by 200+ points. This seems to be the standard for the season for most people from what I hear.

Please explain how ive managed a 60% career winrate

I don’t get why I’m getting flamed. This is how the system works whether or not you want to believe it. You can manage a better than 50/50 by not playing enough games, which would cause you to still be below your true placement.

im not flaming you, and i have a decent amount of career games……. Im not sure if you are complaining about having a 50% winrate or complaining that the system forces you into a 50% winrate… however i and quite a few others have managed to maintain over a 60% winrate. How exactly is that possible if the system forces you to have a 50% winrate.

so the classes that require skills have the highest evasion frames? is that it.

BloodriverTim.2031:

Phineas Poe.3018:

Cynz.9437:

Phineas Poe.3018:

Burjis.3087:

It seems to me, that advancing up the ladder is almost impossible for me unless I have a win rate of above 70% based on the amount of points I lose and gain.

Just curious, but why do you think you should advance up the ladder without winning at least 2 out of every 3 games?

That you have to have a win rate of 70% or better to advance up the ladder is kind of the point; if you’re hovering around a 50% win rate, you’re probably exactly where you should be.

You assume that matchmaking creates fair matches LOL. Newsflash: it doesn’t. Of course, game can’t measure all player skills but it doesn’t even attempt to create fair matches based on measurable numbers like MMR and rating….

Why do you think the system creates unfair matches? What makes them so?

I’ve seen several instances personally where if I win more than three or four in a row, I go on a losing streak of about the same. The matchmaking wants to keep you at a 50% winrate and will do what it needs to in order to achieve that. Of the last 20 games, maybe 3 have been close in point spread at the end; the rest have been blowouts either win or loss. When I say blowout, I mean the losing team loses by 200+ points. This seems to be the standard for the season for most people from what I hear.

Please explain how ive managed a 60% career winrate

havent played in a few days due to work but i was in the highest tier gold before decay…. did it with a little over 60% and let me add this i havent been playing meta builds….. lol ive even played chrono rune gs well necro and have won pretty hard.

cant say ive seen leeto afk too often but then again i barely play EU.

I actually agree here it would be a good idea for a minimum amount of games to place legendary. By all means throw them at the top of plat. Place a minimum amount of games needed to play to be legendary, however I don’t think it should change throughout the season. I don’t blame you or anyone for arguing that it should change but if someone is able to keep a good win rate against high level opponents and they hit a certain amount of games it’s no longer luck. Figuring out how many games that is will be difficult though

steelheart.7386:

For the love of god enough with the druids and menders dragon hunters. There are a million support eles you dont need more then one support most of the time. Every match Im in has 2 or 3 people specced to do very little damage and its a gigantic strain if your on a class like necro they just ignore everyone and come right for the one or two fools actually playing something that does damage. Its all about balance. If your comp is unbalanced unless your facing people signifciantly worse then you they will win every time if they are more balanced. I dont understand why people intnetionally make it hard on themseveles. You should b e using the 90 second start time to tweak things if they need to be tweaked. Ranked is trying to win. You should be doing everything in your power to win.

what you dont like my menders greatsword necro sweetness?

Essence Snow.3194:

NeXeD.3042:

Essence Snow.3194:

NeXeD.3042:

Essence Snow.3194:

To me the heart of the issue is the 10 game placement system. It simply isn’t enough to even semi-accurately place players. This leads to players of unequal skill levels being paired fairly regularly. For the higher tiers, where the player numbers are less, this should resolve itself in a decent amount of time. Unfortunately in lower tiers, there are enough incoming players to keep this an issue.

Everything else seems to be relatively on par for the usual.

which is why a soft reset was done. The MM will get better when the people who grinded the kitten out of previous seasons to reach divisions they did not belong in get bumped down and it will happen Some of them will attempt to only play one or two games a day to keep their rating but it wont last forever. Its those same people that seem to hate the new system because you can lose more points for a loss than you gain for a win.

This will even out and people need to stop freaking the kitten out because they arent in the division they thought they should be in….. 99% of the players in this game are terrible at self skill evals.

If your owning everyone you will move up, if everyone is owning you, you will move down.

There are outliers on both sides and you will get some bad games deal with it.

Also to everyone that reads these forums please remember that the complaints are the Vocal Minority no need to panic for every person posting here about how they should be legendary but are bronze theres 20 people perfectly content to have fun PLAYING A GAME

Just out of curiosity…did you read the part where I said it will sort itself at higher tiers due to number of players, but won’t at lower tiers due to constant influx of players?

I gave logic to back up what I said. I never said anything about myself not being placed accurately.

And i never said anything about you saying anything about not being placed accurately.

Yes i did read it. And i disagree with the 2nd part the lower divisions will stabilize as well WHEN THE PEOPLE THAT GRINDED TO HIGH MMR DROP BACK DOWN.

Then why did you mention it twice?

So you’re saying player influx will cease, both new and alternate accounts to pvp?

Nope i did not say that. I’m saying when the population of people who grinded to legendary with the old system will drop down stabilizing the lower divisions.

There will always be new players…. and they will place in the lower divisions…. unless they are some sort of prodigy…..

As far as the alternates….. I do think its kittenty that one ridiculously skilled player could potentially take the top spots on the leaderboard…. theres really not much we can do…. they paid for the acct. But the alts will probably place well in placement matches…. and wont effect division stability too too much.

ReaperJr.5967:

NeXeD.3042:

ReaperJr.5967:

NeXeD.3042:

ReaperJr.5967:

NeXeD.3042:

would be a form of match manipulation. This should never happen.

Put a limit on it then. Like to a maximum of 5 people or something. Can’t stand the same people pulling me down match after match.

still match manipulation

Technically. Would be a minor form that would improve QoL yet not adversely affect matchmaking though.

i believe that is an opinion not a fact.

Never posed it as such. I don’t see a reason why anyone would be against this though. Unless, of course, you are the said player bringing down your team or getting carried every game.

“Would be a minor form that would improve QoL yet not adversely affect matchmaking though”

the way this is worded would beg to differ.

You caught me IM terrible and dont want everyone to block me.

Essence Snow.3194:

NeXeD.3042:

Essence Snow.3194:

To me the heart of the issue is the 10 game placement system. It simply isn’t enough to even semi-accurately place players. This leads to players of unequal skill levels being paired fairly regularly. For the higher tiers, where the player numbers are less, this should resolve itself in a decent amount of time. Unfortunately in lower tiers, there are enough incoming players to keep this an issue.

Everything else seems to be relatively on par for the usual.

which is why a soft reset was done. The MM will get better when the people who grinded the kitten out of previous seasons to reach divisions they did not belong in get bumped down and it will happen Some of them will attempt to only play one or two games a day to keep their rating but it wont last forever. Its those same people that seem to hate the new system because you can lose more points for a loss than you gain for a win.

This will even out and people need to stop freaking the kitten out because they arent in the division they thought they should be in….. 99% of the players in this game are terrible at self skill evals.

If your owning everyone you will move up, if everyone is owning you, you will move down.

There are outliers on both sides and you will get some bad games deal with it.

Also to everyone that reads these forums please remember that the complaints are the Vocal Minority no need to panic for every person posting here about how they should be legendary but are bronze theres 20 people perfectly content to have fun PLAYING A GAME

Just out of curiosity…did you read the part where I said it will sort itself at higher tiers due to number of players, but won’t at lower tiers due to constant influx of players?

I gave logic to back up what I said. I never said anything about myself not being placed accurately.

And i never said anything about you saying anything about not being placed accurately.

Yes i did read it. And i disagree with the 2nd part the lower divisions will stabilize as well WHEN THE PEOPLE THAT GRINDED TO HIGH MMR DROP BACK DOWN.

ReaperJr.5967:

NeXeD.3042:

ReaperJr.5967:

NeXeD.3042:

would be a form of match manipulation. This should never happen.

Put a limit on it then. Like to a maximum of 5 people or something. Can’t stand the same people pulling me down match after match.

still match manipulation

Technically. Would be a minor form that would improve QoL yet not adversely affect matchmaking though.

i believe that is an opinion not a fact.

ReaperJr.5967:

NeXeD.3042:

would be a form of match manipulation. This should never happen.

Put a limit on it then. Like to a maximum of 5 people or something. Can’t stand the same people pulling me down match after match.

still match manipulation

1: Whiner Babies

would be a form of match manipulation. This should never happen.

Essence Snow.3194:

To me the heart of the issue is the 10 game placement system. It simply isn’t enough to even semi-accurately place players. This leads to players of unequal skill levels being paired fairly regularly. For the higher tiers, where the player numbers are less, this should resolve itself in a decent amount of time. Unfortunately in lower tiers, there are enough incoming players to keep this an issue.

Everything else seems to be relatively on par for the usual.

which is why a soft reset was done. The MM will get better when the people who grinded the kitten out of previous seasons to reach divisions they did not belong in get bumped down and it will happen Some of them will attempt to only play one or two games a day to keep their rating but it wont last forever. Its those same people that seem to hate the new system because you can lose more points for a loss than you gain for a win.

This will even out and people need to stop freaking the kitten out because they arent in the division they thought they should be in….. 99% of the players in this game are terrible at self skill evals.

If your owning everyone you will move up, if everyone is owning you, you will move down.

There are outliers on both sides and you will get some bad games deal with it.

Also to everyone that reads these forums please remember that the complaints are the Vocal Minority no need to panic for every person posting here about how they should be legendary but are bronze theres 20 people perfectly content to have fun PLAYING A GAME

Shadowstep.6049:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Shadowstep.6049:

DaShi.1368:

But doesn’t this rest on the assumption that divisions accurately reflect player performance? If matches get progressively more difficult as you move up divisions, then aren’t they working as intended?

as said before, given current system gold player would never get out of silver if he plays solo; he has to be at least plat skill wise to move up

So me playing from the very top of Bronze/bottom of Silver Solo to mid Gold? I must be a Platinum level or higher right? No I think I am where I am supposed to be until I improve myself at no point in that whole climb have I had a Win streak over 2-3 wins in a row and my Rating seems to have stabilized and I am against players that are of similar skill that make similar mistakes.

Did you play solo?

so your saying if you only play solo you belong in the division above whatever division you are in? What about the people who hit legend solo?

curious why you didnt take the signet trait on the meta signet chillomancer build… as far as i know the META version of that takes the signet trait.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

A common misconception players have right now is that a hard reset will magically make match making better, this is a false hope because everyone’s Mmr will be reset to the zero value of 1200 which also removes the information from The information gathered over the years causing huge volatility in the Player’s Mmr, also it will make all games even more random and you will have to still be grouped with all the new players/low tier players for even longer since they have the same Mmr as you.

Again this will make your PvP experience worse, not better you will just have the illusion that it helped.

yeah agreed hard reset will screw the matchmaking up far more than helping it…. but in some peoples minds they arent where they belong and need something to blame other than themselves.

Ruru.1302:

The same players will be at the top. Don’t delude yourself.

no no no no no its going to be a complete reversal all the current bronze players will become Pro’s overnight and all the legendary and esl players will be outed for the no skill hacks they really are…… lololooolooloolol

Terrorsquad.2349:

Sun Lian.4075:

Exactly, it’s same for DH and warriors now, why should it only be okay for those classes to have those constant boons?

Perhaps it’s because both classes need to be in melee range to be effective at fully.
Going melee means alot of enemy AoE’s around in most teamfights, meaning a higher useage of boons is a must.

Necro on the other hand doesn’t need to be in melee to be effective fully, on the contrary. Meaning you have less need for boons as builds that need to be in melee-range.

It all comes down to location and have your team cover your kiting, if needed.
(alot of Necro’s are just rushing into teamfights, standing on a ledge without thinking of kiting spots or keeping skills ready to disengage)

I think too many ppl are requesting changes based on Solo/DuoQ, which is a bad thing.

Builds shine most in a 5v5 with teamwork and comms.
I can guarantee you that Necro would “be much better” if we had ingame VoIP, for instance.

well to be fair if people are requesting changes bases on due/soloq its makes sense as that is the game mode now….

Don’t listen. Games still fun especially if you haven’t played in a while and a good thief is very valuable right now

good or not i also play a very sub par power necro build. cant play condi worth a kitten for some reason.

Crinn.7864:

NeXeD.3042:

one ds proc can corrupt 10 boons at once….. your going to get that more than you will finish a scepter chain on someone.

“Can” and “will” are two different things.

Procmancer is still bad for solo queuing. Would not recommend to friends.

regardless you are still going to corrupt more boons with that one trait than you will with scepter 1 chain. Getting the full scepter chain is much rarer than hitting your ds button.

Highlie.7641:

I’ve put you on the ground multiple times nexed, I am still in bronze.
So does that make you as bad as me?

Before you start sprouting off nonsense about bronze, perhaps you should fall to 500 MMR and see how it really is. Sure you can 1v3 1v2, but you obviously lack pvp skills if you think 1 person can counter 5. You can’t for the simple reason that your team/ enemy team doesn’t even realize that standing on a point is how you win the game.

Can you get “stuck” at that low MMR (500 -600) No. the matches are completly random which means eventally you will win. And the higher you climb the easier things get. silver, gold , plat and even legendary will be easier then bronze.

my comment was not meant for you and im not claiming to be good so please dont assume im good or even decent.

my comment was to the person who said he got plat on an alt. Im curious if he can maintain plat or if it levels out after enough games have been played

im curious if you can maintain plat

Crinn.7864:

NeXeD.3042:

actually the primary source for boon corruption is the spite grandmaster now.

Only on the current generation metabattle necro build. (which given how fast the meta necro build changes it will be different by next month)

Also the procmancer build is terrible in solo queue. (to the point that metabattle specifically states that it shouldn’t be run in solo queue)

Besides I’m fairly certain that scepter auto will still add up to more corrupts over the course of the match. On shroud are just currently favored due to better control.

one ds proc can corrupt 10 boons at once….. your going to get that more than you will finish a scepter chain on someone.

Crinn.7864:

Supreme.3164:

Because your dmg is all aoe and cover 100% of the whole point

Arc Divider covers the whole point too.
So does DH traps.
So does every single ele overload along with several of their weapon skills.
So does warrior LB F1 (both berserk and non-berserk forms)
So does Mesmer wells.
So does Mesmer condi shatters.
So does engi fields and electro whirl.
So does Guardian symbols.

Point covering AoE is extremely common and prevalent on most classes.

The worst part is the boon corruption so there is no “protection” against all that aoe dmg like we can do with dh and similar, we only have condi clear that atm have huge CD and work only FIFO system.

blocks, evades

If the dmg of the necro would be single target, I don’t think people would create much fuss in buffing necro sustain…last thing we need now it’s a DH 2.0 when people are desperate to see DH nerfed to oblivion

Over half of necro damage is already single target.
Also Scepter auto which is the primary source of boon corrupt is single target. So is the corrupt boon skill. So is the Spinal Shivers proc. So is plague signet.

actually the primary source for boon corruption is the spite grandmaster now.

Supreme.3164:

Rolisteel.1375:

Why cant necro have both survivability and good damage? all of the current classes have better ways to survive focus and get back in fight fast while also having good burst damage.

You guys fear from necro having both ways to survive hard focus and chance to get back in fight and some decent damage while current classes have both worlds already.

Because your dmg is all aoe and cover 100% of the whole point

The worst part is the boon corruption so there is no “protection” against all that aoe dmg like we can do with dh and similar, we only have condi clear that atm have huge CD and work only FIFO system.

If the dmg of the necro would be single target, I don’t think people would create much fuss in buffing necro sustain…last thing we need now it’s a DH 2.0 when people are desperate to see DH nerfed to oblivion

There is still this notion around that necro get targeted for easy kill..when the truth is, we target necro because they’re worst than dh when it comes to dmg….luckily for us just not as much sustain

No one is asking for defensive buffs in curses or spite. No one is asking for condi damage increase. People are asking for BM and DM buffs which would force people to choose another line.

And as far as going for the necro because of the damage thats just not true. That might play a small small part of it but its is MAINLY because they have no way to recover once the ds is burned up or you target them intitially so they never get a chance to build up shroud.

any good players in bronze are probably just deluded.

guess it wasnt the 5 man pro team premades that were the reason everyone was getting stomped hmmmmmm

Kron.6938:

NeXeD.3042:

Kraljevo.2801:

NeXeD.3042:

do you have proof where it says you won? looks to me like you could have capped that point after the fact.

Look at the rank points.

please explain in more detail how the rank points matter as i may or may not be ignorant.

The rank points after the match show who won the match, having over 1.7k means top stats and winning the match.

Ok now next question. If he had been favored to win this match by a much larger margin and did not would losing rank points not make sense? If you don’t perform as well as the MM thinks you could have you end up losing points. Is that not how this system works? In almost every other pvp game that seems to be the norm.

Kraljevo.2801:

NeXeD.3042:

do you have proof where it says you won? looks to me like you could have capped that point after the fact.

Look at the rank points.

please explain in more detail how the rank points matter as i may or may not be ignorant.

i love how everyone thinks they are good as pros lol this kittens hysterical. I could beat Sidney Crosby in a faceoff if he would only come to my mens league games

do you have proof where it says you won? looks to me like you could have capped that point after the fact.

played a couple games on an alt acct as base power necro and i was 1v2ing…. on a base power necro in bronze… and winning…… also let me add not just winning, destroying. People in bronze cant even dodge DS 1…..

Dreamer.1952:

NeXeD.3042:

At what point does any of that say an almost esl level player is stuck on bronze?

Just use a bit of your brain and you would find out why they are NOT stuck in bronze.

So you want me to assume that because a player did something stupid which may or may not have actually been a joke that his skill level is actually that of a bronze player?

No. I’ve played against kitten and he does not belong in bronze.

Please try again to find me one almost esl level player that is STUCK in bronze.

All these whiner babies complaining because they now have an individual skill rating that isn’t as high as they THOUGHT it would be need to take a step back and reevaluate themselves rather than blaming everyone else.

At what point does any of that say an almost esl level player is stuck on bronze?

STILLL WAITING FOR THAT ONE ALMOST ESL PLAYER THATS STUCK IN BRONZE

Alatar.7364:

I’ll surprise you all, and I will actually really speak about the topic.
I agree. Well not literally.
I agree that good and even really good or pro-players are stuck in Bronze. But that doesn’t mean that the players in Gold, Plat. and Legendary Divisions are not good.
After my initial 10 ranked games, I was literally cca 7 rank points away from Gold. But since I like to play PvP I play it a lot, but the more I play, the more I run in to a Team that is not capable and that team of mine will eventualy losse the match. Making me, quite a really good player (not ment to be egoistical, I wouldn’t say it about myself if others didn’t speak of me as of one) to lose rating. Now, to get to the point, if that “programme” considered how good I am at Kills/caps/decaps/healing and other important stuff for Team I would still be placed in atleast Silver, even though my team lost. So that is kind of the problem. Many of those players in Bronze (or in any division) suffer a rating loss, because their Team lost, because it just completely ignores how good those players actually were and only judges if their Team won or lost.

Second though,
someone above me was confidentialy saying that he is working his way up the Divisions by casualy playing while “laughing” at the other guy that he plays 15x harder and is in lower divisions. Well, excuse me there, but you just said it your self. Believe it or not but Murphys Law IS an actual thing. Meaning: The more you play the more you run in to incapable teams (trust me you WILL) and therefore the more you lose, the more your rating goes down. I made an experiment, toying with “laws of univers” when I was playing casualy (as the guy said) 1-3 matches per day for 2 weeks, I won EVERY SINGLE one of them. But as I said, I like to play PvP a lot, so when I started playing 10 matches again….bom 7-8/10 matches lost everyday. Try to understand that the more one plays, the more experinece he gets and the better he is (viz. more top stats than the “casual guys” but still lower rating cause of “ops, that worked out”) , but the programme taking care of current rating system just don’t realize that.

please show me one ALMOST Pro level player that is STUCK in bronze.

Show me one almost pro player that is STUCK in Bronze.

rhonda berenne.8573:

NeXeD.3042:

I look at it this way. If you get to plat and just continue to play as you do without improving and other people start getting better and focus on improving those people will overtake the person no longer attempting to improve… so why should they get to stay if the other people have surpassed them?

Its not even that… I went 0-10 (intentionally) in placement and started in bronze. in a matter of 3 days i went to gold. I get to plat 1 and bounced out because due to bad rotations….. Im a 2 time legend and this season is just bs

Legend means absolutely nothing whatsoever. NOTHING. You could grind to legend with enough games. Congrats on getting to Plat! Maybe you do belong there ! I guess you’ll just have to play more games to see where you even out!

Smooth Penguin.5294:

NeXeD.3042:

im really enjoying this newfound animosity the new leaderboards have created… its almost like this is a real PvP game now!

This is what WvW was like until they stopped allowing matchup discussions.

oh i remember. thats when i used to actually play wvw lol

I look at it this way. If you get to plat and just continue to play as you do without improving and other people start getting better and focus on improving those people will overtake the person no longer attempting to improve… so why should they get to stay if the other people have surpassed them?

im really enjoying this newfound animosity the new leaderboards have created… its almost like this is a real PvP game now!