Guild Wars 2

Saiyan.1704:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Lol @ all the people assuming he did a competent job. How long do you think a lone necro can handle focus? About 5 seconds? While the enemy holds the point still (no decap) and then he sits out for 15 seconds after dying?

Stay in emerald kiddos

Edit: and just adding necro is THE WORST class to do this. I get the harass far strategy. I don’t get why the slowest moving and least peelable class would do it.

Although Necro pushing far may have been a bad plan, you’re still the one at fault for not working with him. If it’s clear he’s pushing far, push with him and force yourself (and your team for that matter) a change in strategy.

Nothing good comes from player insults… you can get banned for that.

blasphemy working with your team? blashpemy.

R O C.6574:

I know this was a thing in WOW PVP. There have been times in a match where I get hit with major lag at just the wrong moment. I did a little research and apparently these programs are out there. What does Anet do to protect the game’s integrity against hacks like this?

No one’s ddosing you in ranked pvp.

Really sounds like you just arent all that familiar with tempests or mesmers. Any chance you can get a video of what’s happening so we can see what you are seeing? Would help us figure out if what your seeing is actually hacking.

Ellie.5913:

I love it how all the trolls come out just to say git gud git better l2p even though half of us have been playing ranked just as long as they have or even longer and had a really high win rate before, so funny. Plz stop feeding the trolls. Everyone knows it’s a team game if your team consists of mostly new players just now learning how to play pvp you can be the best player in the game and lose if the other team consists of all people who have been playing as long as you have and are as experienced as you, even a child would know this. ( And lets not forget about premade vs solo players that never has been and never will be a fair match unless the premade is new to pvp and just learning which some are but most aren’t)

I agree it’s always the matchmakers fault when I lose l, or its my teams fault, or its the lag, or its the bird that’s on my cable wire’s fault, or its because of the cat won’t stop pressing alt f4 with its tail.

So it’s not fair because some players are too good?

You can’t all be the 4.5% only at certain times of day.

godsie.2864:

I have practiced watched videos and improved done all you have suggested since the season started but unfortunately cant carry whole teams and with MMR tanked I cannot show my improvement – and oh yes – it is a team game no matter how good an individual is!

Sounds like you might belong in what division you are in.

Locuz.2651:

NeXeD.3042:

Looks like he is saying it’s working as intended…. keeps the bads with the bads, the decent with the decents, and the goods with the goods….. sry if you aren’t a good?

And thats a problem? Isnt that the entire point of a matchmaking system?

If u as bad want to play with and against good ppl you can:

A] Team up
B] Play unrated and hope higher rated ppl q ueued up.
c} Get better

Sounds fair to me.

Oh no I agree. I’m an advocate for the current system.

The concept and logic you are using are your opinion here.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Jourdelune.7456:

Salamander.2504:

I hope that however ANet decides to change matchmaking for S3, we will maintain being placed on teams of self-similar MMR.

This is the minimum acceptable including matches versus similar MMR opponent team.

This very condition is what was a problem to all whose MMR was off mark this season. The MMR metric for individuals in a game mode where the unit is the team will always carry imperfections making happy and unhappy players. Specially when that team and the build is ever changing and your contribution to the outcome never the same.

Nobody should say it’s their MMR anymore than WvW players do. It’s the team or server MMR. When you change server on WvW you do not change your individual skill level. Why do ppl think this concept change when the scale become 5v5? Your contribution has more impact due to scale and the fact it’s 10 min, true, but the concept remain the same.

20% vs .1% are pretty big differences so no the concept is not the same. WvW is not the same.

Are you a socialist?

Looks like he is saying it’s working as intended…. keeps the bads with the bads, the decent with the decents, and the goods with the goods….. sry if you aren’t a good?

No use talking to him it’s clear he should be playing wow and not gw2 pvp.

Anari.2137:

NeXeD.3042:

Someone wants a trinity.

Did you see me advocate for that?

I want people to primarily be damage oriented, and i support the devs (currently) Against this concept (the trinty) Though i feel it has importance in pve.

I Think the hybrid approach is good, I just dont think that a druid should do 500k damage a game, and 500k healing, while everyone else is doing 300k damage.

Is there something wrong with that?

if a dps build is only doing 300k damage its because they are either really bad or they are dying too much.

The reason the druid has that much damage is because they are surviving so long without killing anything. They are doing damage constantly but their is no burst damage.

Someone wants a trinity.

no no you dont understand though he is a game designer so he knows things.

judging by your other posts it seems you would like to redesign the game because you are struggling and dont want to use cookie cutter builds as you call them.

Exedore.6320:

Math shows that MMR hell exists:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/The-nature-of-MMR-hell/first

Math wins over flawed personal anecdote.

that thing shows that 4.5% “COULD BE” in MMR hell. And only at certain times of day.

I’d accept lf dropping to zero ooc and upon respawn if all forms of healing went through shroud.

SadKeanu.3491:

SkyShroud.2865:

MMR and division are irrelevant .

even with low MMR, u will still able to reach the higher division as long you win.

That is exactly why I am suggesting the two be correlated. As it stands divisions are meaningless and no one knows where they are actually supposed to be at.

It should not be possible for a low MMR to reach a higher division without their MMR getting elevated to a somewhat similar range. Whether or not they deserve that MMR is an entirely different matter.

Your mmr will get higher if you’re winning…..

I agree let’s go back to the system that allows people who don’t know simple game mechanics to advance to legendary also let’s make it so tanking your MMR is a viable strategy to get to legendary these both sound like great ideas to ensure we get enough pve players their wings.

sephiroth.4217:

R O C.6574:

Meta battle takes all the theory crafting out of the game for most players

So much this.

There is plenty of build options if you know your classes well enough. This season I think is the best season for build diversity, but the worst for match making.

EG: Tempest can do a lot more than just “Clerics Heal” lol just a shame no one actually knows how to use an Ele outside of D/D cele and whats posted on METAbattle.

No not so much this. It doesn’t take theory crafting away at all. You are more than welcome to theory craft all you would like, meta’s change. You may have a build that does better against some classes etc than the meta build. Truth is though the meta build is usually the best option for a variety of situations.

But if you know better than the pro players I’m excited to see them get stomped by some build they probably never thought of.

Matisse.9356:

White Knights United were striking fast again.
System working as it should, if you ain’t got fun, who cares.
System working as intended, all is good.

Could the system be improved? Yes.

Could every singe player that claims they are in MMR hell improve their gameplay? Yes.

If both answers are true I’d prefer to be on the positive side of things.

Novuake.2691:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Did I say at any point that only good players are in legendary? No I didn’t. I am only disagreeing with 2 of the points that you made in your post.

Read again. Your disagreeing made your entire argument invalid.

Sometimes I wonder if people really don’t think past their own experience.

Most of us do but when someone has something stuck in their head and someone is disagreeing with them they will find something to attribute it to.

But I would really like this "facts""fivedawgsandaguy" guy to keep talking it’s hysterical.

Uses the same kitten everywhere omg some guy made a model that doesn’t actually show anything but I’m a call it facts dawg. And all you are wrong because of anecdote dawg. I can’t get out of ruby so clearly the game and everyone are out to get me dawg.

These pity parties are getting ridiculous.

Love that this “it’s out of my hands so screw it” attitude is spreading. Hope all those MMR hell preachers are happy with there following.

If the meta wasn’t condi shiro glint rev would be god. Only thing keeping them from being gods is the lack of condi clear.

I teleport in my sleep. Gitgud.

Great idea. Anyone opposing this idea because necros are OP as it is, you may have a point but none of those OP necros are going to be using GS anyway.

Crimson Shi.5047:

Darknicrofia.2604:

spoiler: nodes/cap points are also environment.

so if you want to remove all elements of PvE, you just want every match to be courtyard?

you know kitten well that’s not what I meant.

@Sizzlehunt How insightful, please share more of your GRANDIOSE WISDOM SENPAI

@Faux I can see that point of view I guess, but a 150 points is way too much for a mindless AI npc, and his kitten cronies.

Lord makes for some really awesome clutch plays. Also allows a dps team to beat a team of bunkers. I really like the lord even if i rarely go for him.

Agemnon.4608:

NeXeD.3042:

Agemnon.4608:

NeXeD.3042:

Ellie.5913:

Furious.1283:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

ronpierce.2760:

morrolan.9608:

ronpierce.2760:

This is very simple, its not a reward track. It’s a rank system, and technically works. Sapphire/Ruby should have your most average players with a close-to 50% win rate in that division, making it hard to work out of, but not fall too far back, too.
.

Up to ruby it is actually essentially a reward track.

Yes, I realize early parts are like a reward track. I think that is their attempt to make it “somewhat” fun for everyone. But that doesn’t mean everyone “deserves” to have Legendary. I feel the way it is set up is actually very generous… It’s still prestigious to get to Legendary, but most people can at least make it to ruby if they put in the time and effort, so they can at least wrack up some of the smaller rewards. That’s perfect if you ask me. The problem with Leagues right now is entirely entitlement, unfortunately, the game has pushed that entitlement because “it’s a casual game” and “everyone can be a hero”. They finally added ONE thing that pvpers can use for a little ounce of prestige and PVErs and entitled solo-quing casuals feel they MUST be able to reach legendary or it shouldn’t exist at all… I hate to come off as harsh, but why?

The only valid excuse/complaint I see currently is that the PVE legendary back piece isn’t in the game yet. And I agree, that’s annoying, but beyond that, it’s ONE prestigious thing in the game… Just let it be…

I play pvp not for the backpiece – couldn’t care less about it. This response doesn’t sound harsh, it sounds pompous.

To be at legendary in seas 2 is not something u should feel particularly proud over and be so snobby or elitist over. This is the one season in rpvp when ur win actually seems like it doesn’t mean much – u rode the win train to glory – bfd. How much was due to your actual skill and how much was due to coding – pitting you with winning players against losing players – seems like a glorified fun fest for you and misery for those caught in the losing train.

For you to really feel elitist and proud, and for someone like me to actually admire you, I would suggest this gameplay – 100% solo que, totally random match-ups on both teams. No ability to ts or coordinate or reroll or mod/manipulate. Individual wins/pips are then matched up and the people rise to the top – is it a grind? Perhaps But it is then much more indicative of your personal skill and if ur in the No.1 team then, composed of only players who are also at same win/pip total, then I will admire you then and you can feel free to lord it over everyone.

Until then, I would suggest several things:

This system now promotes team IWAY type of play and everyone saw what happened in gw1 HOH after iway became the only way to play – it was the highway for everyone else and it was a ghost town long before the game died;

Modesty and humbleness would serve you well, as you just sound like an elitist who doesn’t really deserve it and you prolly got there by gimmicks, or riding coding designed win streaks so w/e;

Deliberately tank your win/loss mmr rating – get it really low on purpose – then carve your way back up to legendary – stream it and prove it – you claim you’re where you are from skill alone, so do it – prove it. If you’re as good as you say you should easily be able to sail thru to legend or certainly diamond before seas 2 ends, even if you start today, just be sure your win loss is about 46% or lower when in amber. Once you do this, and prove it (stream it), then you will have my respect. However, I would genuinely like to hear what your experience is like in doing this – was it fun? was it demoralizing? did you get better? was it frustrating? did you feel like your personal skill served you or helped clueless teammates? did you like playing pro level better? did you like playing like a pro with noobs who said you don’t know how to play (cus they will). Just curious.

Otherwise, maybe you should think about shutting up, cuz u know not what you’re talking about – ur only spouting off from the preferred coding win train and it doesn’t sit very well with many of us who got fed into the machine for reasons having nothing to do with our personal skill levels.

Its funny that you think its prestigious to be at the top with your backpiece right now. I don’t covet it, and I’m not sour grapes. Gratz to you that you got it and that you feel the way you do about it – that is sincere. However, my gaming experience in pvp has been ruined. So I hope it was worth it to you. And I’m truly wondering why, of all things, you should feel prestige about it – I don’t think anyone at the top, given the current coding and winning begets winning and losing begets losing designed system, should feel particularly proud of their winnings. If it were me, I would be kinda ashamed (imo) cuz I would know that my quick wins doomed some players to a hell that they may never be able to carve out of ever (especially if anet doesn’t reset mmr or redesign the system) – and believe me, that hell is not fun. Not fun. Do you hear me? Is it getting thru? Its not fun – and this is supposed to be a fun game for everyone . Fun = you know, a game. Fun. This is not fun! But how nice for you! Surely there must be a better way for you to prove ur mettle as the fantastic player I’m sure you are, and for me to still have fun doing something I used to love in a game I used to love.

I couldn’t have explained it better!

This is NOT fun anymore, very frustrating and I would agree on not being able to form teams. Let legendaries reach their ranks alone, it would be fun to see.

As far as matching is concerned, I am almost always placed with people that are learning and the outcome is obvious.

I have less than 24% win rates which makes me hate this game profoundly.

I don’t know if everyone realizes it yet but if you are a solo player your only purpose in pvp these days is to keep a steady supply of people for premades to farm so they get quick queue times and have fun farming noobs and the few unfortunates who get thrown in with the team of noobs. And the creators know this they made it that way on purpose , so either enjoy getting farmed or just quit like I have.

I’ve got like a 80% win rate in solo q right now. guess my job is to farm premades.

sounds like a skill issue to me.

You sound really good. I’m stuck in Ruby despite this:

Or maybe that’s the expected area Rubies are supposed to be.

im really not that good…. but neither are most of the other people playing this game.

no idea what that number means… is that your ping?

That’s reaction time, you need to click when it turns green as fast as you can. Lower is obviously better and the lower the score the better reflexes you have for interrupts and activating combo fields.

i can see how that might be a good indicator of reflexes….but i dont think clicking one thing in a very large target is a good indicator of anything to do with this game tbh

Agemnon.4608:

NeXeD.3042:

Ellie.5913:

Furious.1283:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

ronpierce.2760:

morrolan.9608:

ronpierce.2760:

This is very simple, its not a reward track. It’s a rank system, and technically works. Sapphire/Ruby should have your most average players with a close-to 50% win rate in that division, making it hard to work out of, but not fall too far back, too.
.

Up to ruby it is actually essentially a reward track.

Yes, I realize early parts are like a reward track. I think that is their attempt to make it “somewhat” fun for everyone. But that doesn’t mean everyone “deserves” to have Legendary. I feel the way it is set up is actually very generous… It’s still prestigious to get to Legendary, but most people can at least make it to ruby if they put in the time and effort, so they can at least wrack up some of the smaller rewards. That’s perfect if you ask me. The problem with Leagues right now is entirely entitlement, unfortunately, the game has pushed that entitlement because “it’s a casual game” and “everyone can be a hero”. They finally added ONE thing that pvpers can use for a little ounce of prestige and PVErs and entitled solo-quing casuals feel they MUST be able to reach legendary or it shouldn’t exist at all… I hate to come off as harsh, but why?

The only valid excuse/complaint I see currently is that the PVE legendary back piece isn’t in the game yet. And I agree, that’s annoying, but beyond that, it’s ONE prestigious thing in the game… Just let it be…

I play pvp not for the backpiece – couldn’t care less about it. This response doesn’t sound harsh, it sounds pompous.

To be at legendary in seas 2 is not something u should feel particularly proud over and be so snobby or elitist over. This is the one season in rpvp when ur win actually seems like it doesn’t mean much – u rode the win train to glory – bfd. How much was due to your actual skill and how much was due to coding – pitting you with winning players against losing players – seems like a glorified fun fest for you and misery for those caught in the losing train.

For you to really feel elitist and proud, and for someone like me to actually admire you, I would suggest this gameplay – 100% solo que, totally random match-ups on both teams. No ability to ts or coordinate or reroll or mod/manipulate. Individual wins/pips are then matched up and the people rise to the top – is it a grind? Perhaps But it is then much more indicative of your personal skill and if ur in the No.1 team then, composed of only players who are also at same win/pip total, then I will admire you then and you can feel free to lord it over everyone.

Until then, I would suggest several things:

This system now promotes team IWAY type of play and everyone saw what happened in gw1 HOH after iway became the only way to play – it was the highway for everyone else and it was a ghost town long before the game died;

Modesty and humbleness would serve you well, as you just sound like an elitist who doesn’t really deserve it and you prolly got there by gimmicks, or riding coding designed win streaks so w/e;

Deliberately tank your win/loss mmr rating – get it really low on purpose – then carve your way back up to legendary – stream it and prove it – you claim you’re where you are from skill alone, so do it – prove it. If you’re as good as you say you should easily be able to sail thru to legend or certainly diamond before seas 2 ends, even if you start today, just be sure your win loss is about 46% or lower when in amber. Once you do this, and prove it (stream it), then you will have my respect. However, I would genuinely like to hear what your experience is like in doing this – was it fun? was it demoralizing? did you get better? was it frustrating? did you feel like your personal skill served you or helped clueless teammates? did you like playing pro level better? did you like playing like a pro with noobs who said you don’t know how to play (cus they will). Just curious.

Otherwise, maybe you should think about shutting up, cuz u know not what you’re talking about – ur only spouting off from the preferred coding win train and it doesn’t sit very well with many of us who got fed into the machine for reasons having nothing to do with our personal skill levels.

Its funny that you think its prestigious to be at the top with your backpiece right now. I don’t covet it, and I’m not sour grapes. Gratz to you that you got it and that you feel the way you do about it – that is sincere. However, my gaming experience in pvp has been ruined. So I hope it was worth it to you. And I’m truly wondering why, of all things, you should feel prestige about it – I don’t think anyone at the top, given the current coding and winning begets winning and losing begets losing designed system, should feel particularly proud of their winnings. If it were me, I would be kinda ashamed (imo) cuz I would know that my quick wins doomed some players to a hell that they may never be able to carve out of ever (especially if anet doesn’t reset mmr or redesign the system) – and believe me, that hell is not fun. Not fun. Do you hear me? Is it getting thru? Its not fun – and this is supposed to be a fun game for everyone . Fun = you know, a game. Fun. This is not fun! But how nice for you! Surely there must be a better way for you to prove ur mettle as the fantastic player I’m sure you are, and for me to still have fun doing something I used to love in a game I used to love.

I couldn’t have explained it better!

This is NOT fun anymore, very frustrating and I would agree on not being able to form teams. Let legendaries reach their ranks alone, it would be fun to see.

As far as matching is concerned, I am almost always placed with people that are learning and the outcome is obvious.

I have less than 24% win rates which makes me hate this game profoundly.

I don’t know if everyone realizes it yet but if you are a solo player your only purpose in pvp these days is to keep a steady supply of people for premades to farm so they get quick queue times and have fun farming noobs and the few unfortunates who get thrown in with the team of noobs. And the creators know this they made it that way on purpose , so either enjoy getting farmed or just quit like I have.

I’ve got like a 80% win rate in solo q right now. guess my job is to farm premades.

sounds like a skill issue to me.

You sound really good. I’m stuck in Ruby despite this:

Or maybe that’s the expected area Rubies are supposed to be.

im really not that good…. but neither are most of the other people playing this game.

no idea what that number means… is that your ping?

Ellie.5913:

Furious.1283:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

ronpierce.2760:

morrolan.9608:

ronpierce.2760:

This is very simple, its not a reward track. It’s a rank system, and technically works. Sapphire/Ruby should have your most average players with a close-to 50% win rate in that division, making it hard to work out of, but not fall too far back, too.
.

Up to ruby it is actually essentially a reward track.

Yes, I realize early parts are like a reward track. I think that is their attempt to make it “somewhat” fun for everyone. But that doesn’t mean everyone “deserves” to have Legendary. I feel the way it is set up is actually very generous… It’s still prestigious to get to Legendary, but most people can at least make it to ruby if they put in the time and effort, so they can at least wrack up some of the smaller rewards. That’s perfect if you ask me. The problem with Leagues right now is entirely entitlement, unfortunately, the game has pushed that entitlement because “it’s a casual game” and “everyone can be a hero”. They finally added ONE thing that pvpers can use for a little ounce of prestige and PVErs and entitled solo-quing casuals feel they MUST be able to reach legendary or it shouldn’t exist at all… I hate to come off as harsh, but why?

The only valid excuse/complaint I see currently is that the PVE legendary back piece isn’t in the game yet. And I agree, that’s annoying, but beyond that, it’s ONE prestigious thing in the game… Just let it be…

I play pvp not for the backpiece – couldn’t care less about it. This response doesn’t sound harsh, it sounds pompous.

To be at legendary in seas 2 is not something u should feel particularly proud over and be so snobby or elitist over. This is the one season in rpvp when ur win actually seems like it doesn’t mean much – u rode the win train to glory – bfd. How much was due to your actual skill and how much was due to coding – pitting you with winning players against losing players – seems like a glorified fun fest for you and misery for those caught in the losing train.

For you to really feel elitist and proud, and for someone like me to actually admire you, I would suggest this gameplay – 100% solo que, totally random match-ups on both teams. No ability to ts or coordinate or reroll or mod/manipulate. Individual wins/pips are then matched up and the people rise to the top – is it a grind? Perhaps But it is then much more indicative of your personal skill and if ur in the No.1 team then, composed of only players who are also at same win/pip total, then I will admire you then and you can feel free to lord it over everyone.

Until then, I would suggest several things:

This system now promotes team IWAY type of play and everyone saw what happened in gw1 HOH after iway became the only way to play – it was the highway for everyone else and it was a ghost town long before the game died;

Modesty and humbleness would serve you well, as you just sound like an elitist who doesn’t really deserve it and you prolly got there by gimmicks, or riding coding designed win streaks so w/e;

Deliberately tank your win/loss mmr rating – get it really low on purpose – then carve your way back up to legendary – stream it and prove it – you claim you’re where you are from skill alone, so do it – prove it. If you’re as good as you say you should easily be able to sail thru to legend or certainly diamond before seas 2 ends, even if you start today, just be sure your win loss is about 46% or lower when in amber. Once you do this, and prove it (stream it), then you will have my respect. However, I would genuinely like to hear what your experience is like in doing this – was it fun? was it demoralizing? did you get better? was it frustrating? did you feel like your personal skill served you or helped clueless teammates? did you like playing pro level better? did you like playing like a pro with noobs who said you don’t know how to play (cus they will). Just curious.

Otherwise, maybe you should think about shutting up, cuz u know not what you’re talking about – ur only spouting off from the preferred coding win train and it doesn’t sit very well with many of us who got fed into the machine for reasons having nothing to do with our personal skill levels.

Its funny that you think its prestigious to be at the top with your backpiece right now. I don’t covet it, and I’m not sour grapes. Gratz to you that you got it and that you feel the way you do about it – that is sincere. However, my gaming experience in pvp has been ruined. So I hope it was worth it to you. And I’m truly wondering why, of all things, you should feel prestige about it – I don’t think anyone at the top, given the current coding and winning begets winning and losing begets losing designed system, should feel particularly proud of their winnings. If it were me, I would be kinda ashamed (imo) cuz I would know that my quick wins doomed some players to a hell that they may never be able to carve out of ever (especially if anet doesn’t reset mmr or redesign the system) – and believe me, that hell is not fun. Not fun. Do you hear me? Is it getting thru? Its not fun – and this is supposed to be a fun game for everyone . Fun = you know, a game. Fun. This is not fun! But how nice for you! Surely there must be a better way for you to prove ur mettle as the fantastic player I’m sure you are, and for me to still have fun doing something I used to love in a game I used to love.

I couldn’t have explained it better!

This is NOT fun anymore, very frustrating and I would agree on not being able to form teams. Let legendaries reach their ranks alone, it would be fun to see.

As far as matching is concerned, I am almost always placed with people that are learning and the outcome is obvious.

I have less than 24% win rates which makes me hate this game profoundly.

I don’t know if everyone realizes it yet but if you are a solo player your only purpose in pvp these days is to keep a steady supply of people for premades to farm so they get quick queue times and have fun farming noobs and the few unfortunates who get thrown in with the team of noobs. And the creators know this they made it that way on purpose , so either enjoy getting farmed or just quit like I have.

ive got like a 80% win rate in solo q right now. guess my job is to farm premades.

sounds like a skill issue to me.

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

I have been stuck in tier 4 saphire for a week now. It is impossible for me to get to tier 5, every time I am 1 win away from getting there, I get teamed up against the most insane players ever and my team barely gets 100 points.
I have played at least 50 games now and still haven’t won just 3 times in a row.

If I don’t get to tier 5 before the season ends then I will not spend money on this game for the rest of the year. I have not been this frustrated in a long time.

i didnt lose in sapphire playing a dumb double melee spite/blood/reaper chrono runes zerker ammy d/w gs necro build.

If you got mmr problems i feel bad for you son, i got 99 problems but being terrible aint one.

yeah this is definitely the vary first meta build for reapers.

blah blah blah i tanked my mmr last season because i wanted win streaks blah blah blah

hahaha i actually love that anet has this matchmaking now. Its pretty funny for anyone that didnt try to cheat the system and tank mmr.

MithranArkanere.8957:

Marketing thinks they can make things happen with money.

Remember their stupid ad?

Well, turns out you can’t.

Do you have proof that the number of players in pvp has gone down since the introduction of larger cash prizes?

Fivedawgs.4267:

True, should have specified I guess. Last season abjured dominated everyone, which osmt the case this season.My bad I guess, by NA teams I mean the abjured.

Only see two reason why that happened :

Other team improved while the abjured didn’t
Or since the abjured are the best NA, the rest focused on their tacts/strategy and we’re able 5o counter them.

Anywyas, I digress since competition is always welcome. I ll give the league a shot again to get a better assement. .

First off at op I’m pretty sure the 200k comes from the marketing budget not the development budget.

Also one of the biggest reasons abjured are so good is they are the most stable NA team besides the OEGGS drama they have had the se roster for quite some time. The people who say EU teams are better might have a point but it’s because those teams have more stability than NA teams that change players al the time. The individual skill differences between NA and EU are not as kittenome would like you to believe.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

NeXeD.3042:

brannigan.9831:

Arcade.8901:

PierPiero.9142:

i think this contest is “stupid” : in post https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/The-nature-of-MMR-hell
Evan of anet admits clearly that there are some problems and that they are working on them If a company spends money on a problem , it is becouse the problem is real … otherwise none want to throws away his money … MMR hell is something real and known to ANET also ( they said it, not me )

OP was created before the topic you refer to, Tenebria proved it exists even before the topic was created, so the contest is not stupid for the time it was created.

Except Ensign’s model was more toward proving it didn’t exist. Read the whole post don’t cherry pick want you to see. A-net has acknowledged there is a problem that doesn’t mean anybody is 100% right. We’ve had leagues for what four months now of course it will be constantly revised over time. While MMR hell might exist most of the people that think they are stuck in it really aren’t. If they keep leagues solely skill based as they plan is there goal there will always be a lot of people that can’t advance past the first few leagues. If your someone that has lost 20 games in a row or more I wouldn’t wipe my brow going whew A-net is going to make things all better for me with the next iteration. That would be a gigantic mistake imo. People should always be trying to improve and stop trying to blame everything on things that may or may not be effecting them like MMR hell.

I’m glad there are people that have this attitude. If more people did the forums would be more constructive less blaming the system.

Yeah, if the forum was always agreeing with me and complaining about those complaining it would be way better!

I’m glad more people don’t feel entitled to everything because they paid for a product. Better?

brannigan.9831:

Arcade.8901:

PierPiero.9142:

i think this contest is “stupid” : in post https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/The-nature-of-MMR-hell
Evan of anet admits clearly that there are some problems and that they are working on them If a company spends money on a problem , it is becouse the problem is real … otherwise none want to throws away his money … MMR hell is something real and known to ANET also ( they said it, not me )

OP was created before the topic you refer to, Tenebria proved it exists even before the topic was created, so the contest is not stupid for the time it was created.

Except Ensign’s model was more toward proving it didn’t exist. Read the whole post don’t cherry pick want you to see. A-net has acknowledged there is a problem that doesn’t mean anybody is 100% right. We’ve had leagues for what four months now of course it will be constantly revised over time. While MMR hell might exist most of the people that think they are stuck in it really aren’t. If they keep leagues solely skill based as they plan is there goal there will always be a lot of people that can’t advance past the first few leagues. If your someone that has lost 20 games in a row or more I wouldn’t wipe my brow going whew A-net is going to make things all better for me with the next iteration. That would be a gigantic mistake imo. People should always be trying to improve and stop trying to blame everything on things that may or may not be effecting them like MMR hell.

I’m glad there are people that have this attitude. If more people did the forums would be more constructive less blaming the system.

BloodriverTim.2031:

Stop arguing with NeXeD, he is a troll. We know the problems and “advantages” of this season. He is on the “good” side of the MMR spiral and he is baiting you all into arguing with him.

Funny none of the real vets of pvp seem to be arguing with me……

Rieselle.5079:

fishball.7204:

I guess you’re right. I just feel bad for the guys who play a lot and don’t really get anywhere.

Is there any way to make them feel somewhat rewarded and not frustration with nothing to show for it? 30 loss streaks aren’t really a good thing for the health of the game. Some people might argue they’re just bad players who don’t deserve anything but I’d rather these bad players eventually get good and integrate into the PvP community rather than just rage quit and never come back to PvP.

The thing is, a “teddy bear stamp for participation” doesn’t really work as a reward either.
The best way to encourage players to stay, is to have gameplay that is fun enough to keep them playing even when losing.

I used to play in an amateur basketball league. We were totally casual and near the bottom, we’d win some but most of our opponents were better.

Even when losing, matches were still enjoyable because of the little personal wins along the way. When you get a point, steal the ball, get a rebound, etc etc.

Especially when you could see yourself improving, the number of shots you get into the basket going up over time, it becomes quite enjoyable.

Being an mmo, GW2 somewhat lacks those skillful moments of personal glory. Unlike a fighting game where you can feel pleased about successfully pulling off a complex combo, or defending perfectly against an opponent’s pressure. In GW2 the build vs. build matchup is a big factor, so your actual play skill is a bit less important.

The actual choices you have that makes the biggest impact is probably when and where to rotate. But “I just pulled off a great rotation!” is less fun and motivating than, “I just pulled off a 30hit combo!” or, “I just hit a 3 point shot!”

I would argue gw2 gives you plenty of opportunities to make clutch plays…. nothing better than getting a whole enemy team with rev staff 5.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

I use G500. Only the button that you use on websites for ‘next’, ‘last’ are straight into the gw2 keybindings table, to insert an action. All the rest, strictly from gw2 keybinding UI speaking does not exist. I have to use logitech software to bypass the UI not showing them. For instance + sensitivy – sensitivity are now, use elite, use toolbelt (above elite). They are not seen by gw2 UI.

I do the same thing with my corsair keyboard and my naga, it makes me giggle when people always assume people are using the vanilla keybinds because of a screens hit without thinking they could have their keys bound a different way.

To those of you that believe you are in MMR hell…..

GitGudSon.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

NeXeD.3042:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

NeXeD.3042:

if anyone is getting that frustrated or demoralized maybe pvp just isnt for you because you are correct 65 consecutive losses is not mathematically possible with the system. SO if that is happening its not the system.

That’s not what I said. I said losing 65 consecutive games or more is not mathematically possible UNLESS you have a skewed system. It is the system. Its ONLY the system’s coding and nothing else. And it is happening.

you say its the system i say it can not possibly be the systems fault if your losing that many games in a row your afking or you are the worst player in game (i realize this probably isnt you with that losing streak so im not saying you are bad or anything)

I had a 100+ consecutive loss streak on days 1 and 2 of seas 2 – stuck in emerald tier 1. Now in ruby. You are right. I am not bad. You are wrong. It is the system. Only a skewed system could produce results like this – no one on a random basis alone could possibly get results like this unless the system is skewed.

I am not the worst player in the game – which is why I am in ruby after tanking my mmr in emerald (due to many factors I have mentioned elsewhere ad nauseam), yet my abnormal “stuck in mmr hell” losses were very real and very demoralizing and not fun. I never afk and report everyone who does. What now?

You probably belong in ruby?

Eater of Peeps.9062:

The vocal minority is only a minority, cuz the rest of our majority, who were upset, demoralized and simply not having fun because of the unenjoyable experience which the new system (i.e., winners w/ winners against losers and losers w/ losers against winners – gee, guess who will win?) inflicted upon them have already quit the game … hence long queues anyway and lower base.

I would suggest to all of u that think its my skill that stuck my in emerald w/ a 100+ losing streak (in ruby now), that its the system which carried you to where u don’t belong either.

Glad ur all having fun tho! Come on my account, and see how fun it is – even w/ u playing, doing ur best – I already have seen pros try to help and they say the team support is abysmal once mmr gets tanked. So yah, um, real fun.

And besides, even if ur having fun, and the majority of players are having fun (which I don’t believe – I believe that is actually the vocal minority made up of system-carried wannabees), why should anyone on this game not have fun. Its a game. Its supposed to be fun. I paid my money, just like each of you. I was told it would be fair, balanced pvp competition (as it was in gw1). I want fun. Why has any system been designed to punish any player, especially those suffering long losing streaks? How is that fun? Why should they have to go thru that when it is advertised as being fun – not a demoralizing downward grind?

Get over yourselves. People are legitimately complaining (yes, in here) about a serious problem in matchmaking which has ruined the pvp experience for them. Anet is aware, and is hopefully correcting everything (I have faith in them) for seas 3 and thereafter.

In the meantime, if your having fun …. go do it. Go play the game have fun and shut up and empathize once in awhile with ppl having the completely opposite experience. Stop trolling in here, rubbing losing players noses into the ground further. Its not nice.

If you want to state that your having fun fine. Support Anet. I do, I love the game. I buy endlessly. I support good decisions and recommend the game to friends.

But in the process of stating how much fun youre having (and I believe it, cuz the system is skewed), you don’t need to go the extra step and attempt to ridiculously discredit all of the people having zero fun. Even if players losing streaks are 100% their own faults (which is absolutely stupid to believe), letting them know how kitten a player they are doesn’t help. I’m pretty sure us losers all get it. I’m pretty sure we’ve heard all of your uni-messages (like a broken record with only one message) – we suck, and you don’t. You belong where you are and we belong where we are – only you’re having fun and we’re not. GJ! And gg!

Actually I’ve said multiple times I’m not a great player. But that only makes me more confident when I say alot of these players that say they are in MMR hell probably belong in the division they are in….. If I’m able to do what I’m doing in these games than the people I’m playing against probably aren’t good and it becomes pretty obvious when they can’t figure out to dodge glint elite. Or they unload on me when I hit glint heal…. I can keep going…. but I think it’s pointless.

Some of you may have legitimate cases where maybe you are getting screwed with teammates and opponents and whatnot….. but I bet it’s more of a one guy said it now every says it type of thing.

SoPP.7034:

NeXeD.3042:

Working ok for me I guess….

OK, in what sense?

In terms of league progress it’s working for you.
In terms of good PvP matches, absolutely no way, this has fail all over it.

Four of your games were complete write offs which mmr should never have created. You have another five games that were varying levels of domination, not competition. The only game on that list that could even be CONSIDERED a good game was the one finishing 381 – 500, but even then you won by a clear margin.

I was 1v2 ing in all those matches and winning. I’ll post another screen shot tonight. I get that alot of those are blowouts but if I’m able to win 1v2s then I don’t belong in that division anyway so I’m rising a bit quicker than others…. makes sense to me. I’m sure it will stop in diamond.

Working ok for me I guess….

Just because a dev said ooh maybe we will look into that doesn’t mean the model is worth it for them.

There are problems in matchmaking in every game…… gw2 problems aren’t different.

rabenpriester.7129:

NeXeD.3042:

to OP do you actually want advice? or do you just want to voice your disapproval.

I’ve read your so called advice in other threads. No thank you. Not helping. If you really wanted to give advice, why flame me first and not just give it?

None of those people are asking for advice, I’ve been a necro main since around launch. If you like I’d be willing to help you in game….. I can’t really help you too much on the forums.

Crimson Shi.5047:

rabenpriester.7129:

Crimson Shi.5047:

It’s not way easier to win as a necro just for being necro. If that’s your line of thinking then yea it’s going to hamper you. If you just go on nec thinking that your odds of winning just went up you’re going to have a bad time.

I think you completely fail to understand what’s good this season/patch AND you fail to understand what I am saying, AND you do not offer any helpful advice, so I’m just going to ignore you.

mkay

i love this thing people do just continuously say everyone is misunderstanding and that they are wrong blah blah blah its very amusing. In school my teachers called it selective hearing lol

to OP do you actually want advice? or do you just want to voice your disapproval.

its just an excuse for people who arent having a lot of success in pvp this season. Most of them probably managed to grind their way to diamond and legend and now its clearly a bit more skill or mmr based and they are having problems while some players arent losing until they hit diamond.