Guild Wars 2

Raiole.4267:

NeXeD.3042:

When the hell did you come back

Haha good to hear from you too
I came back a bit more than a week ago, but I won’t be playing competitively anytime soon because of work

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=( Im gonna need a theif for the upcoming meta

Dahkeus.8243:

OP: Totally agreed. There’s a sense of entitlement that’s kinda spun out of control. Here’s my theory:

So, when MMOs first really exploded and became mainstream, WoW was the big fish. Being the massive MMO that it was, it had a lot of different playerbases that it catered to. These players, who were initially amazed at what was possible in MMOs began to dream up of more stuff they wanted to see. As WoW expanded, players got more of this, but then more and more big companies started to give players what they wanted in different areas.

Was WoW’s story not done well enough? SWTOR swept in and did better.
Was WoW’s combat too slow and tab-targetted for your taste? Tera made amazing action combat.
Was WoW’s class and talent system to small and restrictive? Rift had you covered.
Was WoW’s competitive PvP too unbalanced and not esports enough? Check out League of Legends!
Was WoW’s grind for gear getting you down! Guild Wars 2 broke down that gear treadmill (mostly)!
Etc.
Etc.

The MMO market exploded with new games, but players expected that all these new titles would have the same level of support and degree of updates that the mega-profitable WoW had. Suddenly players started feeling like they could have their cake and eat it too, because look! That game over there has that feature I want! You should bring it to me in this game too!

And with all the competition, MMO companies have been pushing for more and more frequent updates. More balance patches! More new maps! More!

Players have gotten so much of what we want for so long, a lot of us have forgotten that all this magical entertainment is still put together by a team of human beings with limited time and a limited budget.

Not for nothing but I’m pretty sure it was games like UO and EQ that actually launched the mmorpg boom, wow got lucky by coming in right when eq, uo, DAoC, lineage etc all got a little stale so WoW was one of the first modern gen mmos, it really was all timing for WoW.

Go to dulfy it had them for you

When the hell did you come back

Ithilwen.1529:

How about a 50% reduction in effectiveness like Alacrity? Fair is Fair right? Oh wait.. Necro isn’t on the devs’ hate list at the moment.

No but aside from the brief dhuumfire fiasco we were never on the love list since beginning of game. Sry we got some love?

mazut.4296:

I would prefer to put torment as 3rd condition on scepter tbh. And if they want to make corupt conditions, to put in in master trait.
Revenant mace AA is awesome, why cant we stack some torment? please

No thanks poison and boon hate sounds awesome

Aktium.9506:

Nova Stiker.8396:

To match Alacity? Lets be honest, no one will be able to 1v1 a Reaper as long as ALL of their skills take over twice as long to recharge at all times.

Sure, if you make it an uncleansable effect instead of a condition to match Alacrity being an unstrippable effect and not a boon.

+1

Lol and he’s diamond rank…. shouldn’t be possible to reach that rank without knowing kittening game mechanics. Lol.

Tim.6450:

Oh my the filth of this build, I don’t want to meet that anytime soon in any format. I would love to find out how a zerker would deal with this. Also why don’t you run reapers protection?

Because he’s trying to get a little offense in the build trying

EremiteAngel.9765:

Are you sick and tired of fighting ‘cancer’ builds?

Builds that heal
and heal
and heal
and heal
heal
heal
heal
heal

They don’t pack a punch. They got no burst.
But their healing is insane
They heal
and heal
and heal
and heal

I’m sick of fighting these ‘Cancer’ builds that heal and heal and heal.
You have to use ‘Cancer’ build to fight ‘Cancer’ build.
I spent about 200 gold to build this.
This is my revenge.

Introducing, our Reaper’s very own ‘Cancer’ build.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQRBHRhG2JzmQ7mYPNg3mA9mYxawmSARgMQcGMEWClCAhsfFA-TFyFABpv/Qiq/AwZA4IlfL8AAqSJYCHEg60PEAAB4mtZb2mBH9oH9oH9odzbezje0jWKAzEaB-w

Tried it, or something very similiar in pvp. Doesn’t work. You can make 1v1s last almost indefinitely but you still can’t handle 1vXs even close to as well as other classes. So let’s look at the point of this build….. can’t win 1v1s except probably agaisnt theives, and can’t hold 1vXs long enough to a proper bunker. Now your is clearly for wvw but I’m having a hard time seeing this be effective at anything, useless in zerg fights no damage and there’s so much damage being thrown around all your siphon traits won’t do much neither will toughness. Small scale roaming…. again no damage so your just hitting people with wet noodles and healing away until you get cced and focuses.

Viper rev can get through ds. Or the fight will just never end.

Started using a Naga to game like 6 years ago, not sure I could even play a game without it anymore.

Still using signets when I’m a necro, no point not too. PS is unreal, sol is a good second heal, and vamp signet is good enough. Only time I wouldn’t use signets is if I don’t go spite.. wouldn’t recommend not taking spite though.

Changing taunt and fear to be a control effect would be cool, just remove taunt change the condi for fear into terror for necro and change the necro trait to apply terror when you fear an opponent.

Nocta.5274:

The silly thing about it is that it benefits from boon duration.
And Malyx revenant who use that trait have 35% boon duration in sPvP… You get tauned for almost 5sec.

As a thief, if I try to open a revenant normally ( with steal ) I get taunted by the trait because of the daze on my steal and I die if I don’t sutnbreak. I have to headshot > stunbreak and then open, it’s kinda ridiculous.

Think about it in comparison to the ranger trait. The ranger trait put the CC on the pet instead, doesn’t cc you back, but has a LONGER CD than the revenant one.

Wait, is this accurate? Taunt effected by boon duration not condition duration?

lighter.2708:

nearlight.3064:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

nearlight.3064:

Also, fear is a lot less common in the current metagame since most reaper’s don’t use the source of fear they have in reaper shroud. They prefer to hold onto the stability and autoattack to get those mad burnz.

actually its useful to use the fear before the pulsing stability runs out.

I mean it can be, but since it has a cast time, and its not 1200 range, you’ll see a lot less fear than before.

use it to setup your reaper 5 please…

Yup this is what I use it for.

It’s an aoe as well, with chill it’s well worth getting it off before stab runs out or you get forced out.

He literally links the mallyx build. As far as glint goes I’m not sure I would call that heal an invuln and it’s incredibly easy to counter.

Arutha.9874:

I’d like to mention that 100% uptime of self alacrity is a feature of Chrono I wouldn’t like to see nerfed as it is the core aspect of the elite spec. Without damaging the team support I have a much better suggestion in my opinion:
Nerf the unalacritied cooldowns of the sustain skills until they are in line with the other classes. This means that it still has 100% personal uptime if builds don’t change and pushes out the same team support while lowering personal sustainability.

PS. Rev is balanced against condis hurting him during those invulns and not being able to attack for nearly all of that 71% uptime is also pretty poor, unless you go malix in which case invuln uptime goes way down.

He is talking about mallyx rev. Mallyx rev has more sustain than glint imo due to resistance.

There’s an interesting build that uses the quickness on weapon swap sigils and possibly wells and chrono runes could even throw in a sigil of rage if you wanted, take spite and reaper at least 3rd Is up to you make sure to take chill of death and the chill explosion trait in reaper… I toyed around with a berserker ammy gs d/w build that just spammed as much quickness as I could so I could land Gravedigger and RS5…. biggest issue i found was you cannot really win 1v1s vs a good opponent unless you get a Gravedigger to hit, and you can be kited into oblivion.

Also condi will ruin you.

Used something like this, but in spvp worked well enough but I eventually dropped the shouts, the shout trait, and chilling victory in favor of crit for vuln and chill explosion trait. And dropped Grenth runes. And used hydromancy over sigil of chilling.

Bah

Humbug.

Well I mean unkillable npcs, kinda ruin stronghold. There’s probably a fix just involving NPCs that won’t effect the mesmer.

I know right every game I lose is clearly due to Anets matchmaking, or lag, or bad teammates, or teammates not using metal builds, or the other team is using meta builds or a disconnect, or my cat knocking over my monitor being chased by my dog who then also pulls my ethernet cable because I haven’t let him go outside in 8 hours, nothing to do with my own skill whatsoever.

Holy kitten anet, just make all these people complaining about losses their own private ladders against bots that never win, just keep naming them pro league names so they think they are beating abjured, ezpz, spookie, faded etc. Give them whatever pixels they want too then maybe we can discuss things that actually matter on these forums instead of everyone whining about losses.

It’s definitely a trap.

DeShadowWolf.6854:

Ohoni.6057:

I’m showing that by accepting the logic you are using, we can reach the exact opposite conclusion, thus showing the logic to be nonsensical.

That may be what you’re trying to do, and those who already agree with you might agree with this as well, but you actually aren’t doing that, because the original holds up, while the modified one does not, proving nothing in the end.

And you continue to assert that there is some difference between the logic of the two, without ever actually proving it. So, as they say, assertions without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Ohoni.6057:

Many people doesn’t make an illogical statement logical. Nevermind the complete lack of evidence of said people.

But it is not an illogical statement, it does not need to be made logical, it always was.

And our next baseless assertion. Do go on…

Ohoni.6057:

It’s based on the greatest good for the greatest number. If you say “it would be good to give everyone all the [food] they want.” you could then “flip that on it’s head” to the new “you should give everyone all the [fishing lures] that they want,” omg, same sentence structure, different words, the latter is ridiculous so the former must also be ridiculous. . . well, no. It doesn’t work that way.

The sentence structure was mostly to make it very obvious that the same logic was being used. And frankly, it kinda does work that way. Both statements were assertions, with no evidence or reasoning provided, so yeah, they both have the same flaws. It’s actually quite common in logic and mathematics, known as the principle of non-contradiction; essentially, if ‘X’ can be used to logically derive the reverse, ‘not X,’ then a false assumption was used.

Ohoni.6057:

The former is something that most people would agree would be a beneficial situation, as many people are known to favor having food available to them. The latter seems rather pointless because relatively few people would actually care about getting fishing lures. Again, you can’t just swap words around until a sentence breaks, and then claim that this makes any revelation on the original sentence.

And again, many people doesn’t make an argument.

I’m not breaking the sentence. The logic was already broken, and I’m just adjusting the terms so you can see it. Logically speaking, the two paragraphs were the same; they made different claims, yes, but used the exact same defenses of those ideas, and that defense is what I’m showing is broken.

Ohoni.6057:

Yes, it changes the meaning of the sentence. But it doesn’t change the actual argument, just the position it’s being used for. You can’t seem to grasp this.

The “actual argument” and the sentence go hand in hand. You can’t have one without the other.

Okay, let me clarify: I meant that it doesn’t change the logic used, just the end point the logic is used for. The actual ideas are simply being laid over a logical framework, like I was saying earlier with P and Q.

Ohoni.6057:

This is why your position fails. All you can do (and here this applies to you too, NeXeD) is assert your opinion. No evidence, no real logic, just good old assertions.

So? Greatest good for the greatest number. All that matters is opinion. Factually there’s no reason not to, so it all comes down to which side of the opinion argument is stronger.

I’m just going to stand here and laugh, while you both try to defend your broken logic and claim that logic and evidence don’t matter, without even explaining why.
And all this about no factual reason not to….no, my point earlier on was that Anet has no interest in doing so, and that they want exclusive skins for specific game modes.

I can’t wait for you to say that you don’t care what Anet wants, that they have a horrible outlook…

Please don’t lump me in with this loon, I understood that I was asserting opinions that was the entire basis for everyone’s counter argument and he just says “oh well that’s irrelevant”

They can gateway aesthetics all they want, performance is the only no no

DeShadowWolf.6854:

Ohoni.6057:

See, that’s half the point. The logic simply doesn’t make sense. If you see it in another argument, it looks silly.

No, my logic makes sense because I applied it to a reasonable context.

NeXeD.3042:

Reasonable is clearly your opinion here.

Go on.

Your rewording of it did not make sense because it no longer had that context. It’s like how a screen door is a perfectly good door to put on a house, but less appropriate on a submarine. You can’t just take someone’s paragraph, change the words around, and then use that as “proof” that the original paragraph did not make sense, merely because your new version does not make sense.

You still don’t know the difference between a position and logic.

Let me explain. I’m arguing that your logic makes no sense. Logic can have all the pieces taken out, and someone could still understand how it works. For example, let’s look at this logical fallacy: if P, then Q; not P, therefore not Q. P and Q could be any statement, and the format still works. The only issue with this particular example is that non-P things can cause Q. But the statements in the argument can be substituted.

There’s no point going on, he is either a brilliant troll or blissfully ignorant.

Reasonable is clearly your opinion here.

Astralporing.1957:

Dominik.5162:

No it’s a good choice to have items that only have one available path for them to get, people have been asking for exclusive items for god knows how long. If you’re not ok with that….nobody cares!!! People don’t really care for your opinion to only do this with low-level rewards either. Everybody else want the exclusive items to be high-tier rewards

Oh, please, some people want exclusive items to be high-tier rewards. Incidentally, those are generally only the people that think they are able to get those rewards themselves. The same people are often the first to scream bloody murder if they find out that their assumption has been wrong.

I’m not sure I’ll be able to put in the effort required to get the wings anytime soon, yet I’m not crying about them. I am of the opinion people should have something unique to shoot for, and it shouldn’t be easy to get.

Rym.1469:

Poxxia.1547:

Ross Biddle.2367:

No wives, no kids, no lives. Just GW2 and obtaining capture points.

Some would claim, that in late modernity, wives, jobs and kids are (some of the) capture-points

Wife be contested.

Keep her. Please.

Cruuk always goes far. Always.

Astralporing.1957:

NeXeD.3042:

You call it a problem other people call it motivation…..

Not sure what other people you mean, because all those players that do bring that argumentation up clearly do see those as problems.

But yes, there are people that would label burning down your house as “pushing you out of your comfort zone” and setting you on fire as “fighting your cold”. Not sure how that has anything to do with the topic at hand though.

You call having items for specific game modes a problem. Others see it as motivation to do those game modes.

You call it a problem other people call it motivation…..

What class do you play OP?

Ara.4569:

Only thing I disagree on with Sheobix is warhorn 4 being crucial. Lately, I wasn’t even attempting to break any revenant’s block because they had stability and/or resistance. And you can’t efficiently corrupt today’s rev: they start with 6 boons and can re-apply them in case you corrupt some.
Mesmers are less likely to have stability though.

Usually, I don’t want to be in melee outside of RS, too many CCs, so instead of warhorn I’m trying focus. Life force generation with focus 4 is nice, and focus 5, albeit its cast time, is rather safe at long range and is pretty impactful when it lands.

The rev can only reliably reapply stab and might without taking glint, if they dont have glint you can corrupt them after the eat facet of nature.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

nekretaal.6485:

My teams never know what to do on Nifhel. They always seem to rush the creature with at least two players.

By the time they get to midpoint, their teammates at midpoint are dead and the point advantage they gained from the creature is gone.

Wow.

You basically never kill the creatures unless it will win you the game and even then it’s debatable.

Every time I get a team that says to kill beast right away the other team always has a shiro rev or theif, and everytime they steal the kill even after I warned not to do it at the start due to the other team having a thief or rev.

You don’t have to do it only if it will win you the game, if you wipe the other team and have someone at your beast that can kill it in under 10 seconds than you can do it.

Khainz.6215:

I don’t want to be mean, but bind your spells would be a great idea to improve your gaming, also it will help you to win because you will have a better chance to win your team fights and thats a very important part of winning or lose a game, of course conquest isn’t that easy, the decision you make will make the real difference.

Good luck, have fun.

Not that he did, but I bound mine with my keyboard and mouse not with gw2 options, it’s possible he did the same. So it would look like they aren’t bound in the game but they are.

Teutos.8620:

NeXeD.3042:

Oh i get it you think he’s joking calling the rest of EU trash…. lol

Since Helseth opinion seems to mean so much to you, I’d not recommend you to watch him analyze the NA pro league matches. It would break your heart comparing NA pro league to EU hot-join.

We EU-SoloQ players might just be peasant, but at least (in his humble opinion) there is a difference between Hot-Join level (and therefore the MMR entry level, Abjured played against the last couple of days) and the normal soloQ players.

It doesn’t matter to me. I haven’t been championing helseth (not that you are).

I happen to enjoy watching both NA and EU

Browrain.7346:

Morwath.9817:

Browrain.7346:

Not sure we should get into EU vs NA top teams skill factor. Unless you’d like to go over who won the last WTS

You mean the one WTS before which one EU compositions got nerfed, so our amazing Celestial heroes could fight back?

Maybe I should remember you how Orange Logo trashed Abjured in Boston winning 2nd game 500-100 like it would be Hot Join game?

Anyway, NA is so amazing I’m always falling asleep during those Pro League matches.

I’m confused. Did NA or EU win the most recent WTS?

It was definitely china.

I was only being funny with the name thing…. apologies.

Oh i get it you think he’s joking calling the rest of EU trash…. lol

So did you actually want dire amulet with the current pvp system or is this just another nerf condi thread?

Ohoni.6057:

The pve side of this game has plenty of things you can’t get from PvP.

Quantity is irrelevant. If you are upset that PvE has things you cannot currently earn from PvP, then the solution is to open those things up to be earned by PvP, not by making other things exclusive to PvP.

If they just gave them to everyone playing the game they wouldn’t be very prestigious.

And just because they don’t give them to everyone playing the game does not make them any more prestigious, that’s just false vanity.

I’m not upset I believe each game mode should have their own prestigious items.

Morwath.9817:

NeXeD.3042:

He’s been calling you all peasants for years.

Thats why we always root for Misha. Problem?

I believe you mean the Oracle now.

No problem just don’t think anyone being called a peasant should champion the one who called them it.

He’s been calling you all peasants for years.

Ohoni.6057:

While making them non-exclusive to pvp would benefit you, it would take away from the intrinsic value it has for most pvpers who worked to get it.

But they shouldn’t have that value. The value of earning something via PvP should be the value of earning something via PvP, the wings have intrinsic value of their own, independent of having been earned from PvP, and players should be able to earn THAT value without having to do the PvP if doing the PvP would make them hate the game.

I would guess half the reason people are wearing them is because it shows what they’ve accomplished in pvp.

And I couldn’t care less about those people. That’s a horrible outlook to have. You should wear a piece because it looks good with the rest of your pieces, not some ridiculous attempt to show off.

You hated pvp before
They introduce a legendary item
You now go like it is your duty and Anet is forcing pvp down your throat
so you hate it even more, because you should have this legendary
and your solution would be to give it to you without anything?

Yuuup.

I don’t want to pve ever. I want fractal weapons. Give me them for pvping.

If I could, I would. I hope that you get what you want out of the game.

The wings are a PvP trophy. They are meant to be a prestigious PvP item that requires dedication to PvP. The pve side of this game has plenty of things you can’t get from PvP. I’m sorry that you feel as though you are entitled to the PvP reward without having to do PvP but pvpers need something to make them feel like special snowflakes too.

If they just gave them to everyone playing the game they wouldn’t be very prestigious.

nearlight.3064:

NeXeD.3042:

nearlight.3064:

Also I’d like to add that durability runes need a bugfix and a nerf. So many builds whether cele of condi or marauder are all using these runes as if they were more versatile vamp runes.

I just learned how to play the stupid mallyx rev better not nerf my dura runes.

well considering that those runes carry marauder scrapper, various tempest and bunker mes builds, and is run by necromancers and daredevils by spookie, you can see that it gives too much artifical survivability.

Yeah even i started using it on my reaper. But I honestly think it’s only OP on the herald mallyx shiro viper build.

nearlight.3064:

Also I’d like to add that durability runes need a bugfix and a nerf. So many builds whether cele of condi or marauder are all using these runes as if they were more versatile vamp runes.

I just learned how to play the stupid mallyx rev better not nerf my dura runes.

I don’t want to pve ever. I want fractal weapons. Give me them for pvping.