if you read more closely, you will see they had 460k players online at a time but this does not mean they are all the same ones in the next minute or hour.
Personally I believe GW32 has about 2 million accounts active meanign they logn in every month.
The other million account are split between quitters and people with multiple accounts.
WoW, they know how many players are consistently playing on all servers, yet don’t or won’t tell us about WvW population queues, very funny. Or very sad…
As much as I don’t like the zerg meta, we don’t need less rewards for ANY part of WvW.. We already get the shaft anyways..
Very much true, I have been running yaks for like an hour to upgrade a tower in EB to get it to T3 and just recently noticed I am getting nothing at all for doing it. No exp, No WxP, nothing at all for getting the yak safely to its destination, thanks for the shadow nerf Bnet.
WvW is truely dying in this game. Sad to since most players consider it the only real End Game.
What you are falsely assuming is that the rewards should be ones which cannot be obtained ever again.
Some have suggested rewards that may be unobtainable and some have suggested those that could be obtained in future release.
Because the people i was talking about wanted such rewards to be unique – as anybody can read in the threads on the Fractured subsection.
But even if it was something not unique, it would still have been something uncalled for.
As – and i’ve said it multiple times – there was nothing that pushed players going to high fractal levels outside of a personal challenge. Not even the achievements – as they could be completed with a personal fractal level of 3.
No one is debating that levels 50+ weren’t intended to be played although they could be, legitimately (which was wrong of Anet for not putting a hard cap and just blocking it at level 50 in the first place).
Your argument that giving absolutely no credit for people’s time invested and disregarding it completely by resetting everybody above 30 back to an even level being fair is out of line. That is the problem here and that is where you are in the wrong.
I never said it was fair – what i did say is that giving rewards out of the blue would be even more wrong.
Also, people with high fractal levels aren’t the only ones affected – people lost their time invested due to the level becoming account bound as well. I’m one of those, by the way. And i’m still of the same opinion as before.
What should’ve and could’ve happened was for Arena net to reset people above 50 because as implied by the lack of agony people were not supposed to go past this point. The instabilities should have come in at levels 50 plus and NEW rewards (such as fractal weapon boxes / greater % chance of drops for other boxes increased along with gold reward at each tier) should have been introduced with added AR.
Those that went past 50 may have assumed higher levels would be unlocked later and wanted to get a head start and it would be on them if they spent the time ascending for no gain should the update reset them.
However resetting a progress in the game that was open and expected of players, for (currently) absolutely no beneficial gain to the player / community without any compensation is unacceptable of Anet to do.
There should be reward for those who played this game and invested time and had it deleted.
You can not unjustly delete people’s progress, with no compensation unless it was an exploited mechanic.
If you got higher than character level 80 and were sent back down to 80 you would not be upset because it would have been a bug that you exploited, as you were told in the first place that max level is 80.
However if Anet now reset everybody’s characters to level 50 and said “It’s a race to level 80 again, this time you’ll be recorded to a ladder” and then never introduced that ladder, claiming they are “collecting data” then a month later say they are rethinking this ladder all together and haven’t even started coding you can bet your cherry kitten there’d be a kitten storm and complete outrage all over this game.
Just because this has happened to a small niche in the player base those unaffected turn a blind eye or even stand behind Anet.
What a swell community we have.
We came to know about the level reset a week before its implementation – when it was already too late to make any change. If we must speak of hypothesis, then another solution could have been just introducing those rewards long before the change, while announcing it widely, so that people interested in those rewards would have been able to get them while they were still available.
But that’s all they are, hypothesis. When the problem arised, all they could have done was either putting retroactive rewards (for something that, as i said multiple times, was never supposed to give ones) or giving none at all, neither for people with multiple chars, and neither to people with high fractal levels.
They chose the second solution – the less wrong of the two, imho. And the one who affected less people, probably.
Judging from your replies to Romo and now to me I can see you are determined to argue even when proven wrong.
Your justifications for their actions are weak and easily contradicted.
I have no interest in furthering this conversation with you.
Yes this is stupid, so what do you think of Anet making the spvp players rick with this last patch? I think that was wrong, they have no need of money in spvp, they dont travel in the mists, dont need repairs or any need of gold, yet Anet just allowed player to make hundreds of gold off of Glory. Was that right?
I love when simpler people use the term “entitlement” as a pejorative. When they say it, the implication is that you aren’t actually entitled to something that you think you are. Here is the truth about so-called “entitlements” in this game (and real life too): there are times when you’ve earned something, or been promised something, and you are in fact entitled to it legitimately.
You are right, we are entitled to a lot, this company has made A LOT of promises that is has yet to keep, most of them promises were made before the game was even released and it has been over a year and stuff that was supposed to be in game at the time of release has still yet to be added, stuff that was supposed to be in game in 2013 has been pushed to 2014 and A LOT of players that started playing have left because of these broken promises and lies.
So now I ask you, what does this entitle us to? More broken promises and more lies? Seems like that’s all we have to look forward to.
I do about 0 PvP, but I frequent their forums to get an idea of where the balance is headed. There are a lot of threads about compensation for rank lost (or something of the sort, with this new addition of gold – like I said I’m not too keen on what’s going on over there) and it sounds a lot like what happened to us that were over 30.
Only thing is, I would bet that they are going to receive the compensation they are asking for, because you know, PvP and all. Can’t wait for the kittenstorm.
With the placement of wintersday merchant with gift boxes in PvP, many hardcore PvPers got practically rich overnight. And I’m talking hundreds to thousands of golds from all that glory they had.
I wonder what can we use our relics for… Yeah… I’ve got nothing in mind that I can possibly still need…
In spvp, Glory is being gotten rid of as a form of currency, spvp will give gold in a future patch from what I have heard and the fractured patch has allowed players to cash in Glory for items, I was hearing stories about players making hundreds of gold off of it, and even thousands.
My question is, why? In spvp they don’t use gold at all, they dont have travel costs, repair costs or any of that stuff and Anet just turns and makes them all rich and a day. Great job Bnet. >.>
Yes, blocked people shouldn’t be in the same groups, they are blocked for a reason.
And achievement points mean nothing in this game, dailies continue to give achievement points and I know people that log on everyday and complete all the dailies just to stack their achievement points.
I find its almost always the other way around. That is a 10k achiev player going banana balls on a new player because they don’t do exactly as that person said (even if it makes no sense).
But agree with the ops first point; Blacklisted players should be barred from joining my party listed in LFG.
Wow then that 10k ap player needs to quit and find another hobby. It’s a game and I approach it like most other things. We play to enjoy, not be bullied, or semi forced to play a specific way. There are certain situations where specific actions seem to work best but I have never considered it the right thing to do when I have been around people who will abuse or kick someone for not following specific instructions.
I do appreciate a good group that can work together to accomplish a run but I have also wished more than a few individuals the best of luck and left an instance because I didn’t want to be around them, or help them, after they went off and booted someone because they were/are new and unfamiliar with the area.
And that’s a huge problem by Anet. They said that the game was made so we could “Play as we like” but with the LFG tool and the person that makes the instance pretty much in charge, we cant play as we like. The game is starting to be taken over by elitests and a lot of players aren’t liking that.
We’re holding the leaderboard for now to see if we can’t decide on a better way to help differentiate people on it who are all at the same tier, other than just the first who got there specifically. Once we have decided that, we’ll need to code, test, and vet it and then update the leaderboards to reflect the new tracking.
Now that you guys are getting rid of Glory, are you all gonna reset spvp ranks? seems only fair. I mean you reset Fractal levels for this leaderboard to give people a fair chance, now with the restructing of spvp some people might want to get into spvp, how about resetting them ranks to give others a fair chance?
I mean I know that the people who have build up a high rank in spvp wouldn’t like that but hey, those players that build up a high level in fractals didn’t like having their levels reset either, but that’s how it goes aye?
My advice, just scrap the idea. Hope that everyone eventually forgets about it like the level reset. Trying to create a competitive leaderboard for something that is by its nature a highly RNG experience makes little sense.
Idea – make Fractal Profiles instead.
Could use data like highest level reached, most cleared level, slowest/average/fastest completion (per level or fractal), completion per profession, highest AR, most and least played fractal, fractals achievements etc.. In the future it could be expanded with PvE and PvP aspects and would make a whole Account Profile.
I just don’t see why they didn’t just scrap the whole leaderboard idea and went with character profiles in the first place, I loved that about WoW. The WoW armory was a cool idea by Blizz. Anet should of done something similar.
So, something strikes me odd about this line of thought…
Prior to the games launch, it is known that the game is free to play, and arenanet’s own staff says “Its OK to put the game down, and come back at a later date. We don’t expect you to be entertained every day of the year since this is not a sub model based game”. Along with that, they are not required to keep you entertained every day of the year, since you are not paying a sub. You are playing for free.
With this line of thought, arenanet has adopted the two week cadence to combat this very topic of being bored. No sub model, no requirement on their part to keep you logging in…yet they have changed their way of doing things to do just that.
Curious why they changed their views, and curious why all of you who are ‘bored’ did not see this when you bought the game? If you did your research you would know theres no raiding so traditional endgame doesn’t exist.
The only end game that exists, and you can do this at almost any level:
-WvW
-Living Story
-Ascended armor materials grind
-Legendary materials grind
-World Bosses and events.
-Guild Missions.
Thats about it. I don’t consider Dungeons, or map completion as end game. They are run of the mill in any game and really have lost their luster in consideration for ‘end game’.
That’s hilarious, I remember them PROMISING us a NO GRIND GAME! And the 2 week content you speak of, if someone wants to take a break from the game, if they come back to the game, that content is gone, removed, they cant do it cause it is TEMP CONTENT! That is why my friends quit, they took a break from the game and when they returned saw all that they had missed and had no way to do any of it cause it had been removed from the game.
Very much bored, a lot of us got really bored in the beginning when we found out there was no end game in the game, almost all of the people I played with from the start quit withing months of them announcing they were going with the Living Story instead of an expansion, I used to love running fractals but I spent months on the forums trying to tell Anet how much they could do with it and it was a mistake to ignore it the way they were but all they did was nerf the rewards more and make it harder and after i got my fractal greatsword after like 6 months of 3-5 runs a day I quit running fractals, and even though they finally woke up and did something with it, i wont go there, they missed that train, I found WvW a long time ago, but they dont really care to much about WvW cause they seem to be killing it off now to by just making the same servers fight each other for the foreseeable future, they must think that is fun for us, they must not know that VARIETY IS THE SPICE OF LIFE! Well on my server, which is one of the top WvW servers, WvW is pretty much dying off, its no fun anymore and all we talk about is when new games are coming out and what we plan on playing.
Anet spent to long not listening to us, now that they are, I’m here to tell ya Anet, you’re a little to late. We are your players, NcSoft isn’t.
We’ve talked about ascended runes/sigls as I think there are a number of balance issues with the current runes and sigils and it would allow us to make some tweaks to it that are harder to make without it but I don’t think we feel any need to do it yet and maybe not even at all. We have talked about how we are going to bring Jewel crafting and Cooking up to 500 but overall we really want to see how armor pans out and we would like to spend our time more on horizontal progression.
Hi, Thanks for the response! Get the email or the post-it note?
So this is semi comforting that you have not definitively decided on doing it yet, or if at all. I definately agree that JC and cooking need a boost and judging by this thread I think these are areas where you can lighten up on the requirements to craft in these disciplines. And it is good to hear that now that ascended armor is here, you are turning your focus to horizontal progression.
Question: How would it make your job easier to tweak balance issues if ascended sigils and runes were introduced, vs simply tweaking the existing ones? I don’t understand this.
Also, and one thing to keep in mind: If you ever decided to go ahead with introducing ascended sigils and runes, please allow them to be put into exotic gear. This would not force a player to grind up to 500 in a craft just to get these items.
While I could see how ascended gear feels like our focus as been on vertical progression I don’t feel like that is the case we spend a lot more time adding many things I would consider horizontal progression. I feel like new stat combos, skins, skills, traits, crafting recipes, mini pets, achievements, ect… are all horizontal progression and we have spent a lot more time and resources on expanding those systems by far.
Ascended Runes/Sigils: This is mainly an issue with acquisition of the exotic ones there is just a large number of worthless runes mainly due to the balance between supply and demand, while I think there are a number of balance tweaks needed to bring more in line I don’t think the total supply of all runes/sigils comes anywhere near the total demand for all runes and sigils which means over time runes and sigils value just gets less and less. It’s much harder to change that as it requires changing the value of a lot of current items. There are other systems we could do to fix this problem like we could make there be a less chance to salvage them out or make all runes/sigils crafting and when you salvage them you get some material that is used so we can adjust supply and demand between those.
Our system doesn’t really support limiting upgrades by rarity and I don’t think this is something we would do if we wanted to go that route we would just make infusions better sense they are naturally limited by ascended gear but that’s also a can of worms.
I think what most of us players are afraid of as far as progression goes, be it VP or HP is that no matter what way you take it, will it ever be removed from us like it was with fractals?
And I don’t think there’s anything that the Devs or anyone at Anet can say to make us feel that it wouldn’t happen again cause those of us that have been in game for this past year know that Anet can’t keep promises. Sorry, but this is just how it is. You reap what you sow.
Maybe we should also introduce the balance of skill-reward into this discussion, since it is something which seems incredibly off balance in the case of ascended armour.
My biggest concern is that the vertical progression we have seen now requires no skill, but a lot of time:
- Gold is the main thing you need (200g per craft + 60g per piece)
- Gold is gained mostly through rather easy activities: dungeons, champion farms, world bosses
- Gold is very very low in challenging content: PvP is debatably one of the least rewarding areas of the game, Jumping Puzzles aswell.
Why do the most easy things in the game give more gold than the kittenes?
Create a division where a small % of the players have access, and thus leave out a large % of players, which is contrary to Anet’s belief that everything should be accessible (playable) to everyone.
Of course that is not what we want, but the current situation is even worse. People who do harder content get less rewards. Sort of a reversed world. Anet wants me to go champ farming (aka. easiest content there is) to earn something, which I can’t earn by doing small scale, no zerg PvP (probably highest skill requirement).
I laugh everytime I see people think “skills” is just pressing buttons on a keyboard. Seriously? Also, this is a character progression thread, not a “plx rwrd my playstyle mor than others” thread. Albeit slower, your grandma can press keys on a keyboard too and speed is not a skill.
I beg to differ, speed is a skill, ask any athlete. And what you consider skills, others might laugh at, so don’t laugh at others, cause you could be laughing at someone you know or might consider a friend.
Hi,
Concerning World bosses and reward…
Since returning to GW2 a month or two ago, I had not done Teq because no one does it anymore. Only a small handful of servers do it, or capable of it seems.
Finally, last night I did it. While all the boxes to open were cool, not one exotic dropped. And even if an exotic dropped, who cares? I want BiS gear from a fight like that.
So my contribution to this thread is in regard to alternate routes of acquiring ascended gear. If you are able to be in an overflow or on a server or part of a guild that is organized and skilled enough to take down a fight like Teq that requires 80+ people, you should be rewarded with a garunteed ascended item of your choice(stat wise). No discussion. That fight is nicely involved, time consuming…and leaps and bounds harder than anything else in the game. You cant give me 3 or 4 rares, a handful of T5 mats and a few silver for it. It needs to end with an ascended piece. No getting around it.
After killing him more than 100 times, I am yet to see anything interesting drop, so I can’t say I disagree with you. :-)
A friend of mine is closing in on 300 kills and is yet to get an ascended drop. RNG ftw.
I was on TC when they killed Teq the first time, I remember there was Dev there, I forget his name but he gave away a mini for some event he did, but that was the one and only time I ever killed Teq, I decided right then and there I would never do it again, I stood there for over 2 hours waiting for it to take place and when he was finally dead I had I think 5 chests to open, all of which had greens in them and the only thing worth anything I got from it was my daily rare, and using a mystic salvage kit on it gave me 1 piece of mithril, total waste of time.
Like I said before, this isn’t progression, this is regression.
1. We didn’t want another tier of gear; you guys knew that and implemented it anyway, so now we’re stuck with it.
Players rarely ever want their pet class nerfed, but its still necessary to the health of the game to do it from time to time. Consensus and Balance are distantly related on the best days and full-blown adversaries on more than a few.
While I have some issues with the specifics of Ascended acquisition, it’s not that hard to recognize the pressures at work that convinced them that the concept needed to be introduced to the game.
Keep in mind that prior to the release of the first Ascended items, the single most efficient way to advance your character was play the Trading Post. Full Stop. If you spent your time doing DEs or running dungeons you were a serf laboring in the fields in the service of your Trading Post betters. It was soul-sucking. Nothing you could do swinging your sword came close, and even today most people have this obsession with amassing gold when doing so mostly fattens you up to get fleeced at the market. The range of rewards that must be earned rather than bought is still astonishingly thin.
If anything the current crafting-only model of weapons and armor is a bit of a backslide towards ‘TP-uber-alles’. I sincerely hope that the currencies of heroism like skill points, karma, and various tokens get moved back to center stage as the means and the measure of characters’ mechanical advancement ~ vertical or horizontal.
I really just set out to summarize the thread to see if anything new was actually being said about vertical progression, or if we were just going in circles, this far into the discussion about it. And, truly, without more meaningful feedback than “Interesting ideas” there’s not much more that we can do with the discussion, in my opinion. Regardless, that was basically the first sort of comment that was picked up and addressed in the thread.
I’m in total agreement about consensus vs. balance, but I think it’s clear that balance isn’t being discussed here, on many levels.
I’m all for progress, and there’s truly no way to please everyone, but given the possibilities for vertical progression in a game like GW2, it seems like a middle ground other than “gear treadmill” might have been a more viable solution.
Hi Guhracie,
Will all due respect there has been a huge amount of dialog, discussion, ideation, summary and proposals. If you want to add value to the thread then I suggest you read it. Until then I am going to take everything you say with a large handful of salt. Sorry.
Chris
Wauw… just… wauw.
With all due respect… but I don’t think that it is a good idea to post that you won’t listen to a Customer, just because he didn’t read 100s of posts.
If someone has the feeling that you people aren’t listening and that he doesn’t like the format of this discussion, you should listen to him. Even when you disagree. ESPECIALLY when you disagree. That’s kinda the point of feedback, no?
The reason why I do not contribute to this thread is exactly the same as the poster. A dialogue means that both people talk. Not say ‘I can not comment on this’.
And when a poster voices my opinion, he gets scolded at. Nice, nice! It just fuels my opinion that this isn’t a very useful feedback thread.
Don’t scold at customers. Don’t focus solely on people that post in the form that you prefer to listen to. Don’t shut people out. You will learn alot more about your customers that way.
But what were you expecting? This is an Arenanet forum, they tell us they don’t have to listen to us, they don’t have to tell us what they are doing, and it’s true, it is their game, we are just playing it, we are nothing but numbers to them, we aren’t people to them so don’t believe they actually care what we think.
The two main areas for discussion will be Horizontal and Vertical progression, however please understand that the commentary and ideation we are really looking for regarding vertical is around its accessibility in game.
I’m not sure I understand this bit; could you clarify?
Hi,
To clarify I am looking forward to hearing the communities thoughts on speed of acquisition such as how long crafting time takes? or drop rates in fractals and other areas of the game etc.
I hope this adds some clarity.
Chris
For those that were prepared, they had multiple pieces the day of the patch, I know a lot of people that made thousands of gold off of their Glory, pretty stupid idea there anet, I mean what do you really have to spend gold on in spvp? and now you’re about to start letting them make gold? Okay.
As far as fractals goes I have yet to go past lvl 9 since the patch has hit, I used to run 2-3 lvl 48 a day but that was months ago, I used to make topics about how anet should do more with fractals but they just got ignored like so many others. I really don’t want to run fractals anymore, I like WvW now, or I did, but after seasons it seems to have been killed by anet because we will not be getting random matchups, just stuck in the same matchup for the foreseeable future, and that is just boring, I mean why not just stick the PvE community with 1 dynamic event for the rest of the year and see how they deal with it, or 1 dungeon.
so basicly, from 21th Jan we’ll have FOUR living story only release.
that means 2 freaking months(3 starting from 10th dec) without any feature update…
that makes me very sad…..
That is not what he is saying.
He is saying that there will be no MAJOR feature release during those 4 updates.
Which makes sense.
Major features are after all stuff like the WPX system, new maps types, new systems over all and so on.
Yes, so in other words, we are getting temp content patches with content that will have about 2-4 hours of lame stuff in it that no one really cares for cause it’s made up LS stuff to sell items on the Gem Store, be a lot better if they could of just stuck to the real lore and and did it that way, so I’d say we are gonna get about maybe 12-16 hours of content from those patches, which in the end will be removed. But don’t worry, I’m sure they will leave in the Gem Store items they put in. lolololololol.
Why would they go and make fractals rewards worse? We been complaining for almost a year about this, this is why people didnt run fractals in the beginning because people said it took to long and wasnt worth the rewards and they go and make the rewards worse, nice job guys. I was almost about to start running fractals again after months of not being in there, glad I got the fractals skins I wanted a long time ago cause if they are making drops worse I dont want that grind again.
congrats to JQ for getting the best results without buying servers! <3
Don’t be mad, bro. Because I know you mad.
What’s to be mad about? We got quality, you got quantity, We got SoR in 4th with week 6, and had fun farming both of you all week 7, not mad at all, glad. now I have to go finish my last WvW achievement. lol. Still at 14/15. hate those stupid jps.
I dont want no kittening reward, I want them to leave my reward level alone. this is just like a rollback, and peeps that got screwed when they kittened them with the gathering tools got compensated, we should to, I spent months in fractals getting 3 chars over 40+ using revive orbs and repair canisters to get my fractals skins, kittening and complaining to anet about the rng of the skins, now they want to take that away, this is just bullkitten on top of bullkitten. they just keep doing more and more damage to us and it keeps making them look bad.
The problem is they dont think about these things, they just do them and dont think about the consequences, Anet has already upset most of the pvp community, now they are messing with the pve community, good one anet, hope you plans to crash and burn are working out, they seem to be from this end.
Basically I think it keeps the game fresh, after a year into the game, I have achieved the following:
5 legendaries, (sold 6th one)
3 Map completions
Dungeon Master
fotm lvl 40 (working my way to 80 slowly)
7 lvl 80s, 8th is class is lvl 50ish
full mini pet collection
Rank 100 in WvW (while not super high, still gave me enough time to experience a ton of encounters)
Dolyak in sPvp (again not super high but i found spvp not very rewarding)
To sum the above, I have repeated all the content the game has to offer several times over and running it again kind of bores me unless im helping a friend/guildie.
LS gives me something new to do, I enjoy the tough achievements, best example was the liadri fight, one of my new things to do is to complete every single LS achievement since launch. Been able to do that till now so will hope to continue.
If they were to bring out an expansion, i really hope they continue to follow the LS style of release alongside.
You can’t do most of the past LS content, it’s been removed from the game.
The last LS I did was Flame and Frost, and that’s because after that every LS has gone downhill in every aspect, rewards, storyline, and challenge, it’s a total joke just so Anet can add items to their Gem Store every cpl of weeks and say they are adding content to the game.
Truth is Anet can’t add content to the game their servers cant handle it, that’s why they add and remove it.
Want to thank TC and SoS for a nice week, had great fights all week, thank you CERN, EP, Agg, STUN, and anyone else that wasn’t mentioned that deserved it. See you all again on the field.
The requirements are ridiculous. To get this event now you can’t be some casual player who joins in when it starts, you have to be a member of a guild that does this event as it’s reason for existing (and those who are already in 5 guilds can’t unless they drop one). You then have to guest to the right server. You have to get there way ahead of time as the spawn window is so long, which means you will be in that area for one to two hours instead of playing where you want. You have to be able to get into the overflow that your guild is getting into. And then you better have enough people, at least 80 people, and no one getting on the turrets and trolling by refusing to use it.
So much for playing the game how you want to play it.
to be honest, a lot of us don’t think anet has a clue what they are doing anymore, they have threads in the forums called collaborative development asking for our input but we think they are just looking for ideas cause they have run out, this game was supposed to be a pvp based game, but it isnt, its mostly pve based, then they said they were gonna cater to the casuals, but now it looks like they are gonna start catering to the hardcores as they are gonna start revamping all the dragons like teq, so, anet, is this game for casuals, or hardcores? Is it pvp or pve, or both? Or none of the above?
@ TC why come to SoS borderland for the easy points. how the hell will your milita get better if all you do is play for #2? Y not try to push JQ borderland when we push there and reset that wp on bay? Take 50 ish and try to 4 ram each gate? Instead you try to havok undefended towers… SoS ventures to JQ alot more then TC even though TC has 2x our population in NA.
TC’s militia is made up of fair weather players, they can’t get better cause they aren’t real WvW players and probably aren’t even playing this match up as they are up against a T1 server.
I do not leech, I have talent and use it, unlike others that I shall not name. (being quoted)
And I know people on every server EAT TOAST FOR BREAKFAST! LOLOLOLOL…
I didn’t realize it took so much talent to click the “transfer” button to win. Maybe it’s just me.
That being said, I should apologize to JQ as a whole – didn’t mean to imply the whole server is like that, you guys rock and have class, unlike some I shall not name. (being quoted)
Ha, seewhutIdidthar?
Yeah, you misspelled What and There.
PLease Mr SG guy pray tell us what real WWW players do …..is it like real macho men ?
Have been so impressed with the gloriously inventive tactics of SG am sure your words of wisdom will be valued by all .
So please elucidate for us what do real WWW players like your guildies do ?
Why don’t you enlighten us all and tell us what WWW is? Or are you just to Lazy to type WvWvW?
I can see that is hard, you must be one of them [BEAT] members that were trying to do golem rushes on hills all night in TCBL, lol, that was funny, porting the golems right to the gate with people standing sentry right on the cannons and not even trying to take out the cannons, doing this multiple times you should learn that the cannon is a bad thing…
@ TC why come to SoS borderland for the easy points. how the hell will your milita get better if all you do is play for #2? Y not try to push JQ borderland when we push there and reset that wp on bay? Take 50 ish and try to 4 ram each gate? Instead you try to havok undefended towers… SoS ventures to JQ alot more then TC even though TC has 2x our population in NA.
TC’s militia is made up of fair weather players, they can’t get better cause they aren’t real WvW players and probably aren’t even playing this match up as they are up against a T1 server.
I do not leech, I have talent and use it, unlike others that I shall not name. (being quoted)
And I know people on every server EAT TOAST FOR BREAKFAST! LOLOLOLOL…
I didn’t realize it took so much talent to click the “transfer” button to win. Maybe it’s just me.
That being said, I should apologize to JQ as a whole – didn’t mean to imply the whole server is like that, you guys rock and have class, unlike some I shall not name. (being quoted)
Never said I was sensitive, and us beating on you now and pushing you all back into your keep, thats called farming, we will tell you all when you can come out and play, thats how its done baby… please dont get upset over this, it is just for fun after all, lol.
After all, why would I be upset over winning? LMAO… Only thing I am the least bit upset over is my buddy being on TC when he should be here sharing in the spoils of our victories, Miss ya Chuu…
I think the actual term that you’re trying to define is:
“Bandwagon” – the act of moving to a winning server so you can leech off them.
Wow, I just love bandwagon chest thumpers. The last time I saw it this blatantly was when it happened to Dragonbrand with Red Essence and Cryptic Omen, and most of us probably recall what happened to RE and CO then too… xD
I do not leech, I have talent and use it, unlike others that I shall not name. (being quoted)
And I know people on every server EAT TOAST FOR BREAKFAST! LOLOLOLOL…
Sorry to CERN and Agg/EP for not giving you guys good fights tonight. So much of our guild got stuck in queue. This is a weird night in that we’re doing great map wise and terribly fights wise.
That’s ok, EP/Agg just got a good fight from SG at the NE camp on TCBL, didn’t ya? Why did ya run off tho? We weren’t done having fun with ya…
See me tomorrow, when I actually login to WvW
They were getting good fights from us in EBG but they didn’t win any and left the map -_- (EP that is, Agg wasn’t really there in force)
Although it’ll be a different story when Jericho is leading for sure.
I’m just wondering if you understand what 80+ people can do in a zerg. We left the map because you sat your fat blob of players on top of keep walls and only pushed us with JQ on our flank. Good fights keep us around, but timid commanders are boring. The 3 way in the BL was fun though.
Though I think Fading was leading that.
Loved the 3-way in Bay on TCBL we had on reset night, that was just great, not sure if you guys were in there yet or not but it was hellofun, we had a few that night, and they were all fun.
Well anyone who is anyone knows that ebg is pugland, and my guilds zerg never runs on ebg on reset, take a look at my tag, we were on TCBL for reset and we wiped 1 time, and we dont get farmed, and we wiped many zergs that night. Live and Learn kid, check what guild you are trying to troll before you troll.
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1. TIL that stating facts (yes, the JQ zerg in EBG was farmed, idek why you’re trying to defend it by saying ’it’s pugland’. that’s a nice way to compliment your server’s standard skill, i guess?) equates to trolling. oh fork.
2. why is your guild tag relevant? how is it relevant? when did i ever say that it was your guild i was referring to? are you reading too much into this? please tell me you’re not THAT sensitive. :<
i’m almost ashamed to say that we were once servermates. eugh.
Never said I was sensitive, and us beating on you now and pushing you all back into your keep, thats called farming, we will tell you all when you can come out and play, thats how its done baby… please dont get upset over this, it is just for fun after all, lol.
After all, why would I be upset over winning? LMAO… Only thing I am the least bit upset over is my buddy being on TC when he should be here sharing in the spoils of our victories, Miss ya Chuu…
I think AWE needs to stop beating me into a pulp 5 v 1(sometimes 2) . Not fair mate. Not fair at all.
Haha, you totally got us there! Yeah, we on TC during SEA time outnumber the enemy most of the time and kind of feel bad about it. That’s why I said you guys need to recruit more.
;)
BA DUM TSS
trying not to get infracted because all caps trying not to get infracted because all caps
also it looks like i could have a successful career by getting a dollar for every open field ac dropped by jq even if they outnumber the enemy
Heck, I’d be a rich man if I got a nickle everytime TC ran from us with equal numbers. I remember when I used to be on TC, we used to fight, not run, must be sad times on TC now with just the fair weather militia to back you up, but they don’t show up when a T1 server is in the match up do they? Sad indeed, I remember someone on TC telling your vets to recruit before seasons started, and your vets saying that the militia would step up and that you all could count on that militia. Are they stepping up and showing up? I hope so, we want more bags, nom nom nom….
wow you’re still on about that, get over it already lol
Fyi your zerg is getting farmed in ebg right now. Kokoro <3
Mance is the Mancing Queen
Well anyone who is anyone knows that ebg is pugland, and my guilds zerg never runs on ebg on reset, take a look at my tag, we were on TCBL for reset and we wiped 1 time, and we dont get farmed, and we wiped many zergs that night. Live and Learn kid, check what guild you are trying to troll before you troll.
I think AWE needs to stop beating me into a pulp 5 v 1(sometimes 2) . Not fair mate. Not fair at all.
Haha, you totally got us there! Yeah, we on TC during SEA time outnumber the enemy most of the time and kind of feel bad about it. That’s why I said you guys need to recruit more.
;)
BA DUM TSS
trying not to get infracted because all caps trying not to get infracted because all caps
also it looks like i could have a successful career by getting a dollar for every open field ac dropped by jq even if they outnumber the enemy
Heck, I’d be a rich man if I got a nickle everytime TC ran from us with equal numbers. I remember when I used to be on TC, we used to fight, not run, must be sad times on TC now with just the fair weather militia to back you up, but they don’t show up when a T1 server is in the match up do they? Sad indeed, I remember someone on TC telling your vets to recruit before seasons started, and your vets saying that the militia would step up and that you all could count on that militia. Are they stepping up and showing up? I hope so, we want more bags, nom nom nom….
I think AWE needs to stop beating me into a pulp 5 v 1(sometimes 2) . Not fair mate. Not fair at all.
Haha, you totally got us there! Yeah, we on TC during SEA time outnumber the enemy most of the time and kind of feel bad about it. That’s why I said you guys need to recruit more.
;)
BA DUM TSS
trying not to get infracted because all caps trying not to get infracted because all caps
also it looks like i could have a successful career by getting a dollar for every open field ac dropped by jq even if they outnumber the enemy
Heck, I’d be a rich man if I got a nickle everytime TC ran from us with equal numbers. I remember when I used to be on TC, we used to fight, not run, must be sad times on TC now with just the fair weather militia to back you up, but they don’t show up when a T1 server is in the match up do they? Sad indeed, I remember someone on TC telling your vets to recruit before seasons started, and your vets saying that the militia would step up and that you all could count on that militia. Are they stepping up and showing up? I hope so, we want more bags, nom nom nom….
Sorry to CERN and Agg/EP for not giving you guys good fights tonight. So much of our guild got stuck in queue. This is a weird night in that we’re doing great map wise and terribly fights wise.
That’s ok, EP/Agg just got a good fight from SG at the NE camp on TCBL, didn’t ya? Why did ya run off tho? We weren’t done having fun with ya…
Just get used to it, no matter how we make money in game, pretty sure unless Anet is gonna find a way to make money off it they will nerf it, so get used to that concept or start looking for your next game.
Hello all, I looked into this because we intended to have a release note for the changes to the champion loot.
We did modify the gold and bloodstone dust coming from champion bags, and a release note will be added shortly.
What I can tell you is that we made a mistake, this one fell through the cracks and I’m truly sorry. I’ve promised before that we won’t make stealthy economic changes without notes and I mean to stick to that promise.
Thank you all for pointing out the error, we will be more vigilant in the future.
Good luck in your adventures.
A lot of us remember Anet doing testing on magic find during the southsun event with the 300% MF boost, if Anet was ever to nerf Account Bound MF would it be listed in patch notes, I’m just wondering if Anet see’s it as future economic changes?
I spent about 60$ on the game, and when I started spent 20$ on gems to get some extra bank slots, since then I have spent 10$ on gems 2 times to help get the gems I needed for transfers. I dont like the armors and rng weapons of the gem store so wont waste my money or gold on them.
Yes, no more wings, please. Can we get some more back pieces like the fractal capacitors? Maybe have like precursors for them that drop in dungeons for certain back pieces and you have to complete a story line quest to aquire an exotic back piece that can be upgraded to an ascended, each dungeons back piece can be unique.
This is totally legal, don’t ask Anet to do anything about it cause they won’t, happened to my server the first week and will probably happen the last week also but we aren’t worried.
Or just report the people doing it with evidence attached, since it’s against the ToS from my understanding of it.
Yes i’m sure Anet will ban them for trying to earn the achievements that they just implemented to force them to karma train to get… Seems legit…
Should be legit, I mean wasn’t this supposed to be a game that we are aloud to play how we want to play as long as we aren’t cheating or exploiting glitches or anything, and this isn’t doing any of that. So I suggest you follow the train, maybe get on a low level character and level it up, that’s what I have been doing all week, and am at level 72 from 10. Just a suggestion, but hey, you can always try and stand in the trains way, see if that works for ya, you never know, maybe they will stop. >.>
I don’t think that adding PvE and LS content to WvW will get more players playing together, PvE players come to WvW to get those achievements and when done leave, while there they aggravate WvW players, don’t defend, don’t listen to commanders, don’t play as WvW players do, they ruin the game for other players, hence you Anet are ruining the game for WvW players by trying to merge WvW and PvE, and in the end will end up losing a lot of WvW players imho.
Still waiting for Devon’s responses, Chris Whiteside is all over the LS Collaborative thread as the coordinator, why is he not taking the initiative to approach us?
WvW really don’t make them any money, so it isn’t that important to them, so they won’t be to concerned with it so don’t expect them to be all over this like they will be with the LS since with every new installment of the LS they add new items to the gem store and make money, even though the content of the LS is only worth about 1-3 hours of the persons time that is doing it, and WvW is on going and seems to be the only end game in this game and they seem to care very little for it. Least that’s what I get from all this.
Where instead of 3 servers fightin the servers are split by 3 colours and fight each other with WvW guesting allowed to servers within your colour.
That is the worst idea I have ever heard of, has anyone given this any real thought? Or was this thought up by just people on lower tiered servers? If we guest to one server to help them out, who is gonna watch my server when we aren’t there? And there is no way I would want to depend on other servers for our score, no thank you…
Please provide accurate numbers about actual WvW population and not just server population and base transfers on that. I believe that would already go a long way.
But how would they actually do that?
What would be considered WvW-population?
Someone that logged in for 5 minutes one day?
Someone that is logging in daily but only does it for crafting?
I often hear people wanting stuff based on WvW-population, but I have never actually seen anyone come up with a good way to actually get an accurate number for WvW.
I think this would be simple, the top 3 servers, one of which I’m on, during reset, they are always qued, and all night every night that whole weekend, every borderland and EB, have a team watch the count on them servers in them borderland and what not and check to see if there is an even count from each of the 3 servers, if there isnt, why?
This is easy to do, and if it isnt being done then it’s because they can’t control it, can’t figure it out, or just don’t think it’s important.
This is in no way making them money, so I’m guessing it isn’t important to them.
Honestly I think you all at Anet need to get back on track with the real story on GW.
I mean if this LS stuff isn’t heading anywhere, why follow it? I quit doing them after F&F, cause all they are is temp fixes for achievement junkies and I don’t want anymore achievement junk in my bank. I would like to see a LS that is actually based on lore, that could actually be building up to an expansion or the intro of another dragon, and I would like harder LS stuff with better rewards for veterans, at least there should be choices for people, I really dislike running around and dancing at fires and smashing piatas, and riding in air balloons, what does any of that have to do with fighting dragons?
Leagues was failed from the get go, we in WvW all knew it was gonna bring in a lot of PvErs and Achievement Hounds, but didn’t expect them to stay all week, the achievements that Anet put in front of us for them keys can be kind of lame, and even though you only need 15 of them it can be hard to get 15 done when you have to sit in que for awhile to even get onto the map.
I wish Anet would have left WvW for WvW and left the rest of the game to PvE, don’t they already have enough as it is, do they really have to have what we have to?
I liked when there were 3 parts of the game, WvW, SPvP, and PvE, now it’s starting to look like they are making WvW more and more into a PvE/PvP/Achieve Fest with updates every other month.
I loved that they 2v1 us all week and it’s still so close, can’t wait till we get SoR and BG with TC or SoS, then we just get to focus on them, kick them out of EB, kick them out of their BL, gonna have fun with them. See ya in a few weeks, after our vacation.
I obviously can’t speak for everyone but, I’m sure SoS would have little to no issue Double teaming SoR after the SoR/SBI kittenshow. Again I can only speak for myself but I’m pretty sure theres quite a few ppl on SoS that would love a little pay back.
We on JQ will make sure you get that. Payback that is.
I see. So that explains why bg and Jq refused to fight each other on the bg hills fight last night. One held the door while the other flooded the lords room to fight SOR defenders. 2v1 indeed.
I loved that they 2v1 us all week and it’s still so close, can’t wait till we get SoR and BG with TC or SoS, then we just get to focus on them, kick them out of EB, kick them out of their BL, gonna have fun with them. See ya in a few weeks, after our vacation.
That is indeed the worst UI ever made, but WoW doesn’t look like that lol.
Yeah, honestly i liked that about WoW, you had the power to make your UI as cluttered or non cluttered as you prefered. Some people see that UI as a mess, but i see it as personalized.
So true, that is not what the WoW ui looked like at all. One thing that WoW aloud that GW2 does not is 3rd party programs, and that person has a lot installed.
I’ve played this game since release. I tried WvW for the first time a few days ago. I was appalled. It should be called ZvZ. Two massive groups of players running around and when they meet, unbelievable lag and prayers that my AOE spells go off before I die. Needless to say I won’t be going back to it.
And yes, class balance is the one thing I am actually hoping for and have been hoping for since day 1.
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this is why Most WvW open field fighters or GvG guilds want a debuff for zergs (zergs might be defined as 30+ in the same area)
when you meet a group of 10-20 there is no skill lag and the fight is usually very very fun
I like zerg warfare, one of the things I like most about WvW, I never cared much for GvG, hated it when they did it in WvW, always thought they should be doing it in SPvP.
I got into WvW when I was making my first legendary, and I got addicted, PvE in this game was boring and thats why I was making a legendary, and I have been in WvW ever since, but lag and skill lag are not just around zergs, it happens everywhere, I have experienced it in a zone where I thought no one was, all by myself cept maybe 10-20 people leveling and doing that map, it’s not just WvW it’s the servers that Anet is using and it affects the map as a whole. I know that it can be much worse in WvW but I have experinced skill lag on a lowbie char in a low level area and known exactly what it was cause it has happened to me many times so please, don’t blame it all on zerg vs zerg warfare.
Question: Why do you think joining TTS is an extreme?
It has no rep requirement, no requirements to join, no requirement to guest, no requirement to use voicechat.
TTS is available to all players wishing to participate. It is not some elitist guild. It welcomes all players with open arms.
And can only hold 500 players, >.> I’m sure more then 500 want to be able to do metas in the future, and when all the metas are revamped and just like teq, and players are unable to do them like teq, what then? I see a lot of PvE players starting to look at the upcoming games being released at the end of this year and beginning of next year, with Anet doing what their doing, seems like their trying to get rid of players. Driving away WvW players by filing it with PvE players, making metas undoable unless you have 50-80 organized people, was this all planned?
