Guild Wars 2

Just some preview info, maybe someone could offer a suggested class/build to me, I have every class at 80. So with the newest expac announced I thought I’d ask what state the game is currently in balance and meta wise. The game has been in a slow downward spiral for me since the zerker’s meta BIG push back during close to the start of the game, it was most enjoyable for me before zerker meta was really pushed so hard. This isn’t an ask for a zerker rework tho, it’s just the structure of the game being focused on active defense over passive and there being no trinity.

I’m not into the builds tho that give you active defense, I enjoy support builds but I typically prefer support from a healer and buffer perspective, not really using Aegis or blinds to stop an attack a head of time. I’m okay with dodge rolling of course, that to me is more interesting and doesn’t take up a skill slot.

I was really attracted to the Chrono, Druid, and Necro and mained those, while working on a condi/tank build for necro before raids came out, believing that raids would require more for passive defense and wouldn’t be so zerker heavy. Of course almost right away it was discovered the best tank build when the raid came out was zerkers, with one piece of soldiers gear (or something of the like) that’s when I was done. I wanted my build to at least be a little viable for my necro, so I could do it with friends, but it wasn’t even that even tho ANet promised more build variety. Druid meta was a mix of healing and dps which was more appealing but I was more excited to play necro. It was a big let down and I just stopped since, I miss the game but I every time I would try every month or so to play things didn’t seem any better and population was low everywhere I went.

tl;dr plus actual questions. So, is the meta still super zerker heavy? Are certain classes still just that much better than others? Is active defenses still the necessary way to play the game? If so I won’t be getting the expac and my SO also, he was hoping to do condi heavy healer tempest and that also was not viable.

I just wanted to say I find it funny that someone with the name Duke Nukem, a character known for annoying one liners, started a thread about Annoying lines in Guild Wars 2. I just think that’s great on a spiritual level.

okay so… give it time. they only buffed 2 things that the meta build runs. other classes also got buffed. the logic here is that if they nerfed it, while buffing every other class, it might’ve been stupidly weak and unplayable until next Tuesday. People just need to chill and wait, I’ve noticed mesmers ruining the meta have been slightly squishier, and the buffs to the other classes might’ve been substantial enough. they do seem like thief chow again.

I do agree that this change was weird but has anyone considered why it could’ve been Necessary? In PvP the change is a huge nerf, really bad, it sucks so much. PvE though only one persons chill really counts., this new method allows necro’s to work together slightly more to increase the damage. HOWEVER it’s still not perfect because Chill does have a hard cap… I dunno I see some reasons as to why they did this but I am salty about it losing a core reason to take Reaper… it was unique but that was kinda dashed.

you couldve been hacked too. you’re quick to blame Anet, I know my friend was hacked and had her name changed, someone bought using her saved credit card. I’m not saying that happened to you, but you need to chill and realize what you think happened is the only thing that happened. Especially if it changed to something trolly. Get a support ticket, please, its the easiest way, the only way, to handle the situation.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Let me get this straight…. your genius idea to counter this is to tell professions dependent on boons by design not to be? Did you per chance ever play ele?

No, what I am saying is that the boon reliance in the meta is what lead to this, and classes that relied on boons are flawed in design. If your class sucks now that boon corruption exists, it’s not the boon corruption. Anet should tone down the importance and boon and buff the classes that rely so heavily on them after toning down the boons.

My thing is that I think it’s healthy. I havent played as a necro yet in the new patch, just Mes and thief, but boon spam is worse. And i mean spam. pressing buttons the moment you can for the attack and boon, like old ele with cele and rev. Necro counters them now, hard, which is good I think.

Here is the deal. You cant corrupt boons the enemy doesnt have. If the enemy player is careful about their skills and dont give themselves to many boons, then the necro is at a condition dps loss by using their boon coppurtion traits and skills for other utility. Ive had no problem beating a necro as a thief. I make sure not to give myself,m boons, as hard as it can be, and its not 100 percent avoidable but thats what condi clear is for. Builds that counter corrupt necro are builds that dont depend on boons. These builds are rare, boons have been what the meta is always about though from what ive seenl and im glad there is something working against it now. If it is over done they might wanna tone it down but otherwise all the nee corrupt options should remain available.

you’re not doing the math right. it’s a 30 percent increase. if the attack did 900 damage before it now does almost 1200. that adds up fast too.

edit: basically you’re not considering how your other stats effect it.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Lol i also saw a few times people on my team, an engi it was, he teleported straight from close to far. Was hilarious. Didnt report it because he was on my team so i figured he was helping us win so it was ok

Report him still, even if it’s after the match. You wouldn’t like it if he faced you in the future multiple times and you could’ve gotten him banned sooner.

Sorry that timezones aren’t something you normally consider when playing an mmo that spans across multiple countries. I guess it’s illogical to think that it’s common knowledge. Just like it’s illogical to complain about something like it’ll change a kitten thing. Also people would probably treat you better if it didn’t sound like you were having a temper tantrum.

If this makes you quit can I have your stuff?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Upcoming-Changes-to-PvP-Runes-Sigils-Amulets

You are so 15 minutes late to the party.

i used to work for Walmart. i can say with utmoat certainty that it is in the wrong spot. An employee saw the first Guild War sticker and put that there. Video Game prices are actually done by a third party vendor , thats why you normally never see games, or at least good ones clearanced, just “rollbacked”. However the tag is missing both the R that would be on the tag for a rollback item, and clearance labels dont show a proper barcode on the label. Now if you can prove you didnt put HoT there and brought it up to the register they’d have to give it to you for 25 dollars, my walmart checked the cameras for that kitten but I’m not sure about the one you shoo at in particular. The game is worth 50 or walmarts 49.96 just to be a little lower in price (and by a little i mean 3 to 4 cents) i suspect the price at walmart wont change until next summer.

tl;dr walmart employee confirming that this,might not be op kittening sround but just legitimately confused by a careless employees mistake. I would suggest taking this thread down as all it is doing us making a negative environment and you can be faulted for that.

Hyper Cutter.9376:

Billy.1879:

Can anyone tell me of another game were you have defense stats as a DPS? Because I can’t think of one.

That’s why you get a healer yo, to keep out of down state and max out the DPS like your job as a DPS is

This game was never supposed to have healers in the first place!

No, the trinity wasn’t being forced in the first place. If they didn’t want healers we wouldn’t have had water ele with group heal skills, mesmer with group heal mantra and shatter, engi with medkit, etc. It’s just healing has been subpar until recently.

Zerker Meta is dead because an entire team of zerkers isn’t viable. Zerkers is still however needed to do well.

If you want to go Soldiers, Cleric’s, etc please join as a tank or healer. That’s what you are, a tank or healer, not a DPS, your stats make you a tank or healer. Those are not DPS armor sets

If you want to Power DPS you don’t HAVE to go Zerk either. Here are some alternatives for you. However Power, Precision, and Ferocity gear will always be the best at damage, of course, and you need all three to do power dps well.

Zealot (Power, Precision, Healing Power) – If you have another source for Ferocity, IE Mesmer with Mantra, this will run well I think. will probably want to mix in more ferocity with other gear types though, I really don’t recommend this one but it’s an idea.
Valkyrie (Power, Vitality, Ferocity) – Pretty sure Rev’s and Necro’s can pull this one off.
Captain (Precision, Power, Toughness) – Again, you might want to mix this in with gear that provides ferocity.
Assassin’s – This is the same stat allocation as Zerker just with Precision leading… it will probably work fine.
Commander (Power, Precision, Toughness, Concentration) – I wouldn’t quite recommend this unless you’re the tenth member of a party, with 7 other DPS already taken, and if you provide a lot of boons it might be useful. Get ready to struggle without Ferocity.
Marauder (Power, Precision, Vitality, Ferocity) – Tiny trade for some extra hp is good for light armor and medium armor classes I hear, you might like this if you want more survivability.
Viper (Power, Condition Damger, Precision, Expertise) – I love this stat set, find a way to maybe get some ferocity in there I say!

Personally if I was running a group and I asked for DPS those stats would be fine as long as the players know their rotations and buffs well to get what they may be missing. Anything else is not DPS armor, and one should not claim for it to be. Go tank or Healer if you don’t want to run these, or Condi damage as I didn’t cover that at all.

I guess in the end… if you don’t have at least power and either precision or ferocity on some gear, and if none of them are a major stat, it’s not Power DPS gear, don’t claim to be power DPS period.

robertul.3679:

This isn’t a raid problem it’s a pug problem and I don’t get why would you post a 3 year old issue as new.

I know this is an issue for 3 years. What I am saying is the problem has escalated and it’s gotten to a point where people don’t know what “DPS” is. Just earlier on reddit someone complained that they were kicked for telling people they were dps when running soldiers, and they HONESTLY thought they were in the right, even though they were running soldiers. Before the problem was that everyone knew Zerker was meta, now Zerker and maybe 2 to 3 other armor types are the DPS meta and people dont seem to realize that anything with toughness, vitality, etc can’t really be considered DPS unless a niche build. (example being Valkyrie Necro… however I doubt there are any niche dps builds with toughness).

So I was wondering if anyone else was having these problems with the Raids.

I am going as a zerker chrono, I specify that, and I ask for 1 tank, 1 support, 7 dps (4 power, 3 condi) and an other that can be dps or a hybrid of some sorts, not straight up tanky, another healer is fine. This I find is a well-balanced team similar to something from other games that have the trinity.

So I ask people for power builds, condi builds, etc, get a team after confirming what everyone says their role is, and go into the raid.

We get to the first boss easy, and that’s when I notice aggro is getting super weird, boss is running around to much making it hard to melee, and damage is way to low. I ask our dps what armor stats their running. I have one zerker and the rest are soldier… they said it was power dps build that is viable.

Assassin and Zerker are some of the only acceptable dps armors, Valkyrie for specific classes and runes, but what I am getting as is that anything with TOUGHNESS or HEALING POWER should not claim to be dps. For power DPS you need of course power and I was say either ferocity OR precision, both is optimal for power dps but you can get away with vitality, or something close (I dont know all the armor types, sorry.) However toughness gear begins to fight the tank for aggro, and we are also losing out damage.

Condi has less armor types to pick between I understand, but those are increasing, honestly avoiding rabid’s will probably be the best thing. What I am getting at in the end is that people seem to think zerker meta being “dead” means you don’t need any zerkers to dps…

I have always been for the play-your-way style, I ran cleric necro with friends occasionally and played my mesmer for pugs and speedrun groups when I wanted to do that. I understand the appeal of wanting to use a new armor type in new content but people need to mention what they’re wearing and what role they want to filll accurately. This DPS timer is easy to get past when you have a group that is primarily DPS with very little support and tank builds, the same way other MMO’s are designed. But I cannot get past the dps timer because we don’t have enough damage in the slightest because half the “power dps” builds i get are soldiers or something similar. If people don’t want to have inspect options become a thing they have to learn how to advertise themselves.

TL;DR Zerker meta is dead, but you still need a kitten ton of zerkers and other DPS armor types to do well, with one tank and maybe 2 healers, as any other mmo has. Soldiers doesn’t count as power DPS.

i dont think Anet is in the wrong at all. DnT, mainly Nike, was being immature and downright rude. If the forum started talking about it or if DnT got control of the forum first it would be hard to stop. Anet bringing attention to it early and publicly should settle this faster. Behind closed doors DnT couldve weasled out but this way a major part of the community can back Anet.

Were basically playing politics with a video game here.

SongOfDestruction.2984:

Ooh, BRILLIANT! Your one experience on the opening day of raids TOTALLY disproves any action that anet has done! Especially when that experience was with other players who most likely haven’t even tried the raid yet, and certainly haven’t beaten it. Please, regale us with even more tales of your tiny sample size and how they utterly disprove literally everything.

best post I’ve seen all day!

I’d like to know the second and third boss though

personally I find the dps timer fine. With how the fights run you need one tanky character, one healer, a hybrid or two and the rest dps. That sounds like any other mmo if yoh ask me. Zerkers are to squishy, but to many tanks means not enough damage. your dps needs the most optimal rotation, its not as easy as stacking and facerolling like dungeons and some fractals.

Dexxyn.8104:

not all had ascended equipment but best bufffood.

foodbuffs dont actually work for this, has your guild looked at the lisy of,sigils, runes,and buffs that dont help?

I am assuming there will be achievements that will give out mastery points.

@ODB

keep in mind the change to 10 man would effect more than raids. one of the reasons they won’t change it is because it would also change it for WvW before, making zergs more powerful and boon supplying classes the best role in WvW. they’re not being stubborn to be stubborn, they have a reason.

runeblade.7514:

Ehra.5240:

sephiroth.4217:

Why would they be called “elite” if they weren’t stronger?

Elite:A select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.

I fail Engrish though.

They’re elite in the same way skills can be elite in GW2 and were elite in GW1. You can have only one of them equipped at a time. They’re “superior” to normal specializations in that they grant access to equipment and skills not normally available to the class.

In GW1, Elites were stronger than Normal skills. Builds were centered around elites.

That’s nice for GW1 but in GW2 Elite Specs mean more play styles, not better.

Edit: type

I don’t want to let this thread die! So here is my main Riranor, a mesmer. The only thing I know what is the shoulders.

Crystal Desert
So we’re Thot. Yes, Thot. We’re a guild that focuses on PVE and PVP, though as of right now it is only composed of myself, my partner, and a good friend of ours. We’re currently looking to get a guild hall and I decided it’s time I actually started trying to recruit members. We’re still a fresh guild, don’t have much going on for us yet and getting used to HoT’s new guild system, but we’re willing to help players reach their set goals and have a fun place to chat. I don’t need serious commitment either, representing another guild is fine, as long as you are willing to do stuff with us sometimes also!

We’re also looking to do raiding when it is released.

Friendly to all builds and classes, also noobs.

Content we currently enjoy doing:
PVP Conquest
PVP Stronghold
PVE Map Exploration
The occasional FotM
HoT Meta Events

If you’re interested just contact me via in game mail.

Disclaimer: I want to be a safe place for anyone from any background, I will not tolerate any kind of prejudice against another player.

I thought they kinda already have this with the first 30 levels of the story mode in core? Or did none of the races have unique achievements back then too

Vana.6879:

Seera, the skill point scrolls that were removed were usable to be Hero points, only thing required was clicking it, but I lost out on them because I didn’t use them yet. This doesn’t sound fair to take away what I earned just because I didn’t consume it yet. What if gold and karma were removed if you saved it for a period of time without using it? And boosters, champ bags, etc. stay in inventory for use until you decide to click and consume it. I still earned those skill point scrolls, which were used the same as hero points, and they were taken with no reinstatement now that they are needed again.

Okayn,this proves you dont understand the change. Everyone now has the exact same,amount of hero points at max level and map completion and the WvW rewards, there is no more then that. Skill points were endless. They wanted nobody to have the elite unlocked, they want people to work for it, considering that you need 400 points to unlock it, and roughly 400 points to unlock stuff wjile leveling to 80, you’re basically leveling 1 to 80 again without an increased level cap. whicb is fine, Wow and FFXIV do that too, making new level caps take as long aa it took to reach tbe original level cap,even if its ten levels. There was never going to be a hero point scroll like your first sentence in the quote implies, you just assumed there was.

tl:dr just level your masteries so you can get hero points and enjoy the game.

i was under the impression it was all digital. I think you can preorder through gamestops computer app but i don’t think they’re doing box because the physical copy model is going under and makes less.

Lets say you do a raid and need a healer. ranger joins, chains they’re druid. raid starts and they aren’t. that’s a problem. add new druid icon, tells you they are druids and icon agrees. no problems, raid runs fine,because they couldnt lie.

its obviously inspired by WoW though. in other games i play Warlocks dont use demons. why does yours? It is inspired by WoW whether you intended that or not. When i think watlock i think D&D 4th edition with pacts and otherwordly things giving you powers, never do you get a demon. So your warlock is heavily similar to WoW, and WoW is the only game i personally jnow that gives Warlocks pet demons of any kind.

denis.9487:

In structured pvp the fact can be debated but in wvw trying to survive without stealth skills is a death sentence.

as a mesmer main i do understand your pain,but i would also like to remind you that WvW is not going to be wherr they balance things. PU made Mesmer strong and easy in sPvP, a mode they do balance around. This needed to be fixed. WvW players suffer from it, as mesmer survivability in WvW is low, i do agree, but WvW as a whole would be to difficult to balance and fix, i cant play it without a party of friends. i dont fault Anet for that myself, i prefer sPvP to the morr unpredictable WvW and I am glsd they’re balancing the way they are.

TL;DR Balancing sround WvW roaming will never be a thing and the changes made were intentional to fix sPvP.

I love how we tried to answer you politely and with logic and you want from being pitiful to just getting kittened and insulting everyone on this thread. Wonderful bedside manner.

On a contributing note, allwing week long beta’s would actually kitten off more people than help them get feedback. Anything you do on any character in the beta after participating isn’t saved. For a week all the loot you would get on any of your mains, pvp ranks, levels, precursors, laurels, etc, will vanish at the end of the week. That’s already annoying enough with a weekend of time being dedicated to it, you’re being restricted to only do beta content so you don’t lose to much. A majority of players would probably be kittened.

It sucks that your wife can’t play, but it is just bad coincidence and I am sorry that the medical field is so demanding. That’s about all you’re going to get though.

As a mesmer, necro, and engineer player for pvp… Ele’s arent as hard as people say. RoF isnt why they are good either, at least not the burning from it, and 2 of my classes lack condition clear! If you can’t lesrn to avoid an RoF in a situation then you aren’t a good combatant. RoF is good because its a fire field, sole reason, otherwise it would be lacking.

lol i only lost one game out of 5 going as chrono, my friends as revenant and reaper. in fact we’re typically carrying. so either your beta testers need more basic game understanding, or anyone who has a hard time with beta testers needs to get better. i do believe it’s the former, but I’m sure some people are just using “beta testers lost me the game” to deny their own failure

My necromancer Mimiru is going to use the Agent of Whispers greatsword when she can.

Can we get this thread closed? It’s kinda pointless, just trolls arguing with players.

Lol, Ascii is salty on nultiple threads.

Just so you are aware that extra character slot is only for prepurchase, after it comes out you get nothing extra even as a veteran. just a warning.

wow OP is salty.

they also dont get dsily rewards so people scared about laurels dont need to worry.

Devil I was trying to find those exact words. Plus one for you.

I know they dabbled with stomping in PvE in the past, I was curious if anyone else thought that they’re bringing it back for HoT? My only reasoning behind this is because of the thiefs new elite skill from their new elite specialization, if they don’t add stomping then it only helps in a PvP situation. I’m not against stomping in PvE but what does everyone else think?

this is just a thread for QQ. Thief is hurting because of these and needs a buff, i don’t even play thief and i recognize this. This thread isn’t helping. You have options as a ranger, you will live. If you can’t escape a situation on your own where they can dodge roll into you then you deserve too be hit by all dodge rolls.

edit: phone made typos

Lol. just dodge roll the dodge rolls. plus if they waste their dodge rolls for damage then you can range them down easy. i see that as their counter honestly.

There is a problem no one considered with kits. Engineer has no weapon swap. Thief does. Will ninja remove thief weapon swap? Will thief kits be mediocre and not as good to compensate weapon swap? Well they have cooldowns which would effectively make it more like a conjured weapon for one player? For those reasons alone I can’t ever see kids happening For another class. try to argue that they should be just like engineer and engineers would be at a disadvantage.

how are they in a PvP setting?

I did 2 PvP matches earlier today and encountered this bug on every thief I killed, I will admit it made killing the Thieves easier in this should be fixed. I think they might have already fixed it though because I stopped playing when there was a new build and I havent looked into it since.

Mesmer CLONES don’t have damage. This might bring a trait line I’m actually excited for to the thief, even if it doesn’t start good the devs are listening it seems (unless you’re a tempest, or you’re asking for something that they already didn’t plan on doing like rifle) , So i have faith this will be great.

if the problem is wanting a certain reward but not having it be behind a certain difficulty then can’t quantity fix the problem. Like you can get all the same stuff doing normal and hard mode, but hard mode you get a higher quantity of rewards for the added effort? everyone can get what they want then and hard mode is rewarding, as it should be.

Azoqu.8917:

I have to ask you all, did anyone else notice that bow #1 would only bounce if the second target was behind the first? I found that really annoying having to change targets all the time in order to hit both. I don’t know if it was a bug I was getting or something else entirely.

“Fire an arrow which can bounce to the enemies behind your target. If an arrow hits a second target, all enemies struck are crippled.”

Thats the skill, not a bug.