Guild Wars 2

ProtoGunner.4953:

Watch WPs video, it really shows a lot of synergies etc.

Lol you trolling or joking right?

I want to play Mirage – I really do. But if there will not be a lot of changes compared to test weekend I do not see it as the option for me. As one of the main heights is for me playing a new class I am ready to play my other toons. In this case my “plan B” is Scourge – it is not a Mesmer sure…. but it was helluwa fun and actually borderline OP (especially compared to Mirage. I am actually quite sure in real gameplay it will be actually weaker as during testing there was unlimited life force from all the golem killing – but fun playstyle will stay

TBH I do not have really issue with this – and I play SW mainhad all the time.

I am not sure if I will play Scourge (depends if AN will fix Mirage /crossing fingers/) but was thinking about the same as OP. I already have most of the legendaries I like (Eternity, Astaralia, Bolt, Juggernaut) so I was choosing between the rest based on usability and how I like them – at the end usability contest was between staff and scepter (usable for both Mirage and Scourge). Coolness factor made it quite easy at the end (this is extremely individual – not saying there will not be many other points of view) :
- do not like gay pride staff at all – so it is no go for me
- Nevermore is OK-ish for me – bot not really top of the list
- I actually have 3 non-legendary staff skins I really like a lot
- I really like the Meteorologicus – there is so many of cool tiny details in its animation…

So at the end I am working on scepter

I do not think condi and power as major stats and precision and ferocity as minor are best stats for condi builds? Expertise (expertise is AFAIK much more important then ferocity?).

What I am not really sure about is balancing crit chance and condi duration….

I am quite sure I will play condi spec in PoF. It will be actual first for me as I have spend 5 years (on and off) in GW2 exclusively in zerker power equip…
As for now I have two possible favorites for my main char:
- Mirage….. if AN implement(ed) quite a lot of changes from beta weekend
- Scourge …. if AN did NOT nerfed it too much from beta weekend
- also have War and Revenant, but neither of them is appealing me much for now.

So I will need to get/convert my equip for condi play – and I am not sure what is better Viper or Sinister? Or combination? Or waiting for possible new stat combination available in PoF?

zealex.9410:

Just making superspeed aply to all directions is enough.

Well (again IMHO) short range directional blink would be SOOO MUCH COOLER
But I would be ok with superspeed working in all directions – just do not want to loose any mobility as class mechanic “bonus”….

Ohoni.6057:

Honestly, when I first heard about Mirage, I had the same reaction as the OP “but I LIKE to move when I dodge!” But after playing it, I think this is ok as it is. It just requires rewiring your brain a bit. It provides Superspeed and evade, so if you want to move outside a circle, you still can, it just requires manually running out of the circle while in your evade frames.

I am probably repeating myself (and others) – but superspeed is not good replacement for standard dodge animation – reason is lowered speed when strafing & backpedaling.
Result of this mechanic is that you can move approx same range when going forward in Mirage Cloak (not really much usable when ""dodging") slower to the sides and reaaaaly slow backwards. Overall it is a huge downgrade for in-combat mobility.

I still think instant blink in exact range of dodge would be better solution. (And no it would not be downgrade for melee if blink would not happen without wasd pressed).

IMHO new class mechanic should be pure update (waves at Daredevil) and not partial update in some cases and downgrade in the others.

zealex.9410:

Adding a blink would defeat the purpose of the new dodge.

Why?
It should be quite easy to implement:
- you press dodge key without movement key depressed – Mirage cloak works as it is now
- you press dodge key WITH movement key depressed – you blink in the direction as you would dodge

So during the yesterday’s stress test I have tried my best to test Mirage in open world… and results are quite underwhelming. To me it is like adding Mirage to basic Mesmer is actually downgrade in many ways:

- Mirage cloak:
— loss of movement is TERRIBLE – I was getting hit by AoE’s all the time while on any other class I would be simply outside of the AoE thanks to normal dodge
— combine this with root while using scepter ambush (probably only ambush which is usable now) and result is terribad
— overall Mirage cloak is offensive tool and loss of dodge movement is crippling in aoe heavy environment
— fix would be easy – just add instant blink to Mirage cloak with dodge range – then Mirage Cloak will be purely advantageous compared to normal dodge

-Ambush skills
— not worth of using in most cases (except for scepter where the root while casting is terrible too)
- ambush window is way to short – some of the autoattack chains are actually longer (GS)

-Mirrors
— was not able to use them to any real advantage – may be L2P issue

Overall:
– I had no problem playing open PvE – but it is no achievement as one handed monkey can do so with every class
- playing Mirage felt very clunky, there was no real flow felt
- I pretty much completely ignored shatter mechanic as it contradicts with Mirage heavily

Well yeah… I am depressed as I do not think I will be able to play my favorite class…. at least new map is gorgeous so I will enjoy it with some other toon.

green plum.7514:

I had a lot of fun in the open world PVE with a power Mirage, running berserker gear and sword/sword.

Can you post a build please?

Naruto franchise – Gaara rulez

Ithilwen.1529:

After some questioning, he hinted that ANET’s idea is that the Mirage play around the mirrors, ( which make aoe weakness. )

So the Mirage play should center around probably worst class (sub)mechanic among all gen2 elite specs…..

Ithilwen.1529:

According to that dev, Mirage is basically fine. I don’t see us getting help any time soon. He also talked about nerfing chronomancer and seemed to feel it was OP.

So position of Chronomancer should be dedicated buffbot with zero personal damage?

…. I am sooo kittened right now

I expect something like:
1: get purple aura
2: get even prettier purple aura
3: add butterflies to the aura
4: make butterflies shiny
5: make butterflies even shinier
6: every 20 sec: you cannot move for 10sec, you are so shiny even Elton John will get erection

Levetty.1279:

Very anti consumer to get you to buy a product without telling you whats in it.

Well this kind of crap does not work on me – quite opposite actually – so instead of buying Ultimate pack directly from AN as I have planned before I will now wait till I am back from my holiday (conveniently planned tto end 26th) and will make informed decision.
If I will like what they did based on customer feedback I will still buy Ultimate pack. If I am not happy with AN approach I will buy basic PoF key from internet reseller for 15E.

My main concern is – if WP is spreading such a bullcrap about Mesmer – which I play and understand…. what quality of information I am getting from his videos about classes I do not play and therefore have very limited insight about?

Dondagora.9645:

Mirage is a vague concept, not a solid picture.

Exactly this!

I was very hyped about Mirage – finally spec with strong personal DPS and less support role… well not.

My position is now as follows:
- I will not play Mirage if AN will not change it a LOT
- I will play Scourge if AN will not nerf it too much

I fully expect to see change of wording on all traits concerning Death Shroud.
As for the Duumfire IMHO it will proc on every F skills, but will not proc on each tick of F5

Well – I have watched all WP 2nd gen elite spec videos. Truth is he is bit of a white knight in these – saying pretty much only nice things etc. But if you watch these one after each other you can see/hear quite a difference – there are classes where he is like ""wow this is sooo OP" (cough Scourge cough) and there are classes where he is more like “this needs to be looked et, this si clunky, this needs to be tuned up” (yes Mirage)….

So overall I think he did very good job to show up the mechanics without bashing or praising things too much.

My personal opinion on Mirage state is:
1) you can pretty much SEE ho scared the devs are when giving new stuff to Mesmer – while other classes are getting better/different stuff with elite spec Mesmer gets something very limited and in addition main new mechanic is very disadvantageous in its core (no movement on dodge) and you have to use GM trait to make it even work properly…
2) I am 100% sure some skills are unfinished/bugged (GS ambush doing less dmg then GS1 and taking longer then ambush winow… wtf?) etc
3) there is no rework of main core mesmer mechanic – shatter – even though shattering goes against the logic of Mirage
4) Mirrors are complete bull* in its current form

Windwalker.7421:

The “Mirage is junk and needs to be completely re-designed” crowd will almost certainly be disappointed and to them Mirage will likely never be a play-style they enjoy.

My problem is – Scourge feels more Mesmer-y them Mirage :/
On the other side – it is not a real problem as I can simply play my Necro… <shrug>

What setup do you plan for your Mirage?
I will be probably choosing among:
Scepter/Pistol
Axe/Torch
Staff

And as for the stats I am not sure what will weight more – precision or expertise? Ie Viper Rampager or Sinister?

Mirrors should not stay on spot but should move increasingly faster during its lifespan to you/clone /whoever is closer/ and never just dissipate – either it will during its duration hit enemy or you/clone and does its effect.

… I still hope and am making preparations….
Please AN do not let me regret this

I do not expect them to respond to threads per se – but would be nice to have a news article/post on forums “we have read your feedback and are planning to change A,B,C on char 1, etc etc”

Esplen.3940:

“This weekend” is not a very good comparison. The first Beta Weekend (with Elite specs) only had Chrono, DH, Reaper, and Tempest. It was also over 2 months before the expansion would be released.

You are probably right But would be nice to hear what AN tninks about the feedback and what are planning to do about it.

What would you see as good weapon combinations for Scourge?

I would really love to see what they think about tons of feedback they received about last weekend.
If memory serves me well chronomancer was changed a lot after this weekend pre HoT?

I am all up for this.
What is important part – clearing you as the target – it will make clones reliable in PvP: if other player cannot say even for 1-2sec what is mesmer and what is clone it would be amazing. And this would allow for it…. at one second he is fighting one mesmer…. another second two mesmers are beating him with (hopefully boosetd/fixed) ambush attack. And with Cloak on clone he is not able to onehit clone. …. Soo many options….. AN pretty please?

Well (IMHO) even though dodge mechanic converted into blink would be really cool I do not feel the same about 400 range elite skill.

When I was playing GW2 at the start my first char was Mesmer – GS/Staff ….:D
At the time for me the most defining ability was Deceptive Evasion. But I was not really happy about how it is executed… rolling sideways was so not mesmery….

What I wanted to see was dodge mechanic for mesmer to be changed from mundane roll to blink. IMHO it would be amazing even if it would not change anything in RL functionality.

But now with the introduction of Mirage Cloak it could be really amazing!
Just imagine if Mirage Cloak would be changed so it contains blink in the range of the dodge…. clears you as the target and with deceptive evasion simple “v” would split you into 2 covered in cloak and running ambush skill ….. aaaaah one can still dream.

Have you considered to change your naame to Fan Boi?
And yes we know you are one of the two people who enjoy the terrible mess Mirage is now no need to repeat it.
And no I do not miss Mirage in the current form at all. If something then playing Scourge/Firebrand was quite fun.

NashEquilSeek.2801:

Hi guys,

However, I only have the zerker ascended gear for PvE.

Are you aware it is quite cheap to swap stats on Ascended gear?

Why bring another condi spec and on the top make it weaker in most of the cases is chrono?

Ambush should either do much more dmg or/and Infinate Horizon should be baseline.
Out of the ambushes I have tried only Scepter was actually usable. Axe not really and GS exceptionally tragic.

Mirrors – should not stay on the spot, but should move in straight line to the mesmer – slowly at the start but accelerating and connecting with mesmer in 5-7 sec. (if they hit somebody on the way they do their effect).

Mirage cloak should either baseline or via passive get directional blink with same range as dodge would have.

Exactly the reason I am not able to play Guardian – no passive movement speed option = no thanx for me

Infinate Horizon – current wording baseline, new wording: Doubles duration of mirage cloak and Ambush
Speed of Sand or Elusive mind – add 200 range blink in the direction dodge would go
Nomad’s Endurance – add movement speed +25% when axe is equipped

After reading this thread I am quite sure OP is just trolling
This “my uber build works great and you are all wrong” attitude combined with clickbait title…
For a short time I had hope

I was so hyped about Mirage… soooo much. So reality check was really harsh for me.
As for the refund – I have not yet bought PoF and TBH as it is now I do not see myself spending 80E as I have planned Friday… actually now I am in the mood of not buying PoF from AN directly and waiting at the release when basic key will be available for 15E from internet wholesaler.

Yes unfortunately it is like this
When I have seen presentation of the classes I was like “wow this will make me return to GW2 – finally my first toon will be fun to play for me” …. then I have tried it …. and again… and again… and I was not really sure if I have completely forgot how to play GW2 (it is more then year I played last time)…. and then I checked the forums and found out it is not just me….
I really hope AN still has enough time to completely redo this mess – otherwise I do not think there will be reason for me to come back.

So after watching yesterday’s dev stream it seems to me there is time to return to GW2 again After all these years when my first char in the game was on back burner it seems finally clones will not be just a shatter food

Anyway few points (from the perspective of someone who did not played GW for last year or so):

- Mirage has amazing visuals – I really really love these
- Clones usable for combat YAY
- Axe new main weapon YAYYAY…. it is mele hmmm …. it is condi bah… seems like crappy torment condi BAH
- Mirage dodge – something I have dream about from day one of GW2 – this is pretty much exactly how I have imagined it (I only thought about short range blink attached to it too – would be nice to have this as passive tree option)
- would love to see also shatters altered for Mirage – maybe to some completely different mechanic with synergy allowing to keep/boost illusions instead of destroying them

I am really looking forward to this weekend to test it.

(Reference if there is soemone who did not get the titleof the thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDUOWC4yib0 )

There should be legendary armor set for each playstyle – raid, PvP, WvW, Open World…
Why? Well so everyone can have some long term target to grind for.
For example I hate RAIDs, will never do them… but it also means I have no chance to get legendary armor.
As I have played GW2 quite a lot and have all legendary weapons I wanted, several ascended sets, tons of skins, etc etc…. result is I do not play GW2 regularly anymore and therefore not spending money on it.
So at the end AN is the one who gets shafted – for me it was just annoying as I had to found a different game to enjoy.

… when I am looking for the game to play through the summer
Last time I have been playing GW2 probably September and have not been really keeping in touch with changes.
I plan to go through new LS chapters and fo WvWvW mostly.

My question would be – what class should I main this time?

I have ascended light and heavy set with zerker stats and few legendary weapons which I would like to use (GS, hammer, sword, axe).
My main has to be self sufficient with perma movement speed and for zerg WvWvW has to have 1200 range weapon.

Last time I have played power Revenant sw/axe + hammer but not sure how much meta shifted.

THX will consider Guard – even though I prefer passive movement speed to spamming it every few seconds.

RNG is RNG took me like 40 min to get mine :/

Revenant was my last main

I have to say I enjoyed pretty much every class I have played in GW2…
My 80 are WAR, REV, MES, ENG, NEC and I liked to play all of them
(even ENG was fun at the start – disliked it because of 3 kit meta organ play & disgusting visuals)
Most fun for me me by far was MES gameplay – but as I tend to play a lot solo it is not really choice because of pathetic personal dps – I suppose this did not change?

After some time gone I am coming back to GW2 and looking for class to main
I am looking for following:

- good open world/WvW runner ie:
— ranged weapon with good tagging capability
— perma self sustained swiftness or +25% running speed
— able to solo vetrans/champions in reasonable time
— not totally squishy even when in full zerker/viper
— good dps

- wanted in fractals & raids
- want to play a game, not organ (ie – no engineer pls)
- do not enjoy switching builds all the time (why or why is there no option to save builds…)

TY

Or still unusable crap?

Ascended (especially weapon which is most important) is very easy to get for “free” – ie by playing the game, harvesting the materials and crafting. There is really no need to buy anything.