Guild Wars 2

Jake Dressler.8204:

Ok let me put this into a simple concept that hopefully you guys can understand. Mesmer has a low amount of health and wears cloth. If you are a sword mesmer you have to be in melee range, meaning you get eaten up very quick if you use this skill incorrectly. There is a punishment to using this skill at the wrong time and it’s called dying within a second afterward if you do not know what you are doing. If invuln is taken away from this skill then the damage needs to be at least double. My glass cannon specced mesmer still only does MAX and by max I mean the most I’ve ever done with it was 6k and that was every hit was a crit and on another glass cannon. If I have to sit in melee range and sit still against a warrior and I use this spell without going invuln, let’s see my possible 4k dmg max to there I dunno 12k with 100 blades they could use at the same time completely wrecking anything the sword build could potentially accomplish.

for kittensakes thank you. I guess its too hard for people to see this.

I think my big issue with a thread like this is the fact that mesmers obviously are being disected and getting their share of nerfs on the shatter builds end along with the Phantasmbugs and MOA complaints I am going to defend BF especially since the case stated is a complete qq post. If Anet nerfed avery issue people have with mesmers youd be left with a class making copies of itself hopping all over the place basicley throwing water balloons at everyone. Sure it’d be annoying but thats about all that it would be.

Another mesmer is one of the harder classes for me to go up against as a mesmer or my engineer, and never once thought blurred frenzy was an issue needing to be a top nerf priority.

BF does has its counters and it does put you right in the mix of being takin out durring an aoe node battle.
I dont need to explain what other classes have the same weapon mechanic when there are far more classes with weapon mechanics or skills that can counter or block it.
And to say EVERY 8 seconds invulnerable is not accurate in the fact that to make this happen would mean to not swap weapon/skills and stay equipped with current sword/x combo long enough to use again leaving you in melee range even with pistol combo stun if it misses or are in cleave situation enemies have the oppertunity to kill you while u run around poking people

Anyways spent long enough on this

Mufa.1326:

Yukishiro, I doubt that 2sec invulnerability (every 8 seconds) on BF is necessary for viable mesmer in pvp. Whoever claims that has L2P issues.
Other classes do not get to be invulnerable 25%+ of game time based on single skill to be viable. (exception is s/p thief who traits that way and that should be fixed as well).

Let us look at what you have in sword/pistol set:
1. you have 2second stun every 25 sec.
2. you have duelist which does very decent dmg. (and u can bump his and other illusion’s HP 200% thanks to the bug).
3. you have BF every 8 sec (with above described features).
4. you have gap closer in ur clone and then immobilze for 2 sec.
5. You have dmg shatter every 10 sec or so (mind wreck).

So using 4 -> 3 -> 5 you are able to delivery super damage spike while being completely invulnerable for 2 seconds (during spike) and you do that on 10 seconds CD. you can also mix in 2 sec stun into the combo every 25 sec.

Alternatively you can deliver 4 – 3 and leave shatter as a defensive option once your invul expires, where you force enemy with your shatter to back off again and waste few seconds window where he can actually do some damage to you before you rinse/repeat.

6. you have about 4 sec of additional invul due to another shatter. (distortion). This 4 sec is on 42 sec cooldown or so (I assume you trait properly).

7. you have long daze (shatter) every 30 sec.

8. confusion also great especially in team fights.

9. You have staff which is also very good weapon. (do I need to tell you what you have there? back off shiled, then back off field, and then teleport away and clones who keep applying annoying conditions on the enemy from range while u kite)

So do not pretend as if you have no other tools to justify this obscenity of a skill. Even if you did not, you should be given such tools and this obscene skill moderated. But you actually do have other tools, this invul of 2 sec on 8 sec timer is unnecessary for skilled players.

Holy kitten man you must have been bottling up this crap for some time or have just been facerolled too many times by mesmers. stick with the one issue from OP and if you have so much to Pitch’ about start a compaining thread on why you think they are OP to allow more of your concerns to be addressed properly.

Mufa.1326:

How about this seeinder:
It is not about evating the attack. It is about the mesmer being invulnerable to counterattack once you evade it.
You are not technically rooted, you can interrupt it if you miss. So he is not forced to stand there. But if I dodge his attack and find myself behind his back, i should be able to hit him if he does not move. He should not sit there invulnerable for 2 sec every 8 seconds.
You need to reread what the issue is. Avoiding 2-3 sec frenzy is easy. Doing so every 8 seconds and mesmer being invulnerable basically 30-40% of game time due to single skill is stupid.

You can interupt it if you miss yes but there is like a 1-2 sec hesitation after you decide to do this causing you to basicly be rooted. I have read what the issue is and evading the attack is a fix to the auto facing issue since you would be out of range of damage.

lol YOUR argument of being invulnerable every 8 seconds is Bullkitten and NOT part of anything in OP. So take your own advice there guy. Every 8 sec invulnerable??!! Thieves can basicly go perma invis making them invulnerable 100% of the time and other classes have there own defensive skills if traited to be simular. Im sure theres a thread on that topic go spread some love there to please.

Oh Mufassa, its Seeinred not Seeinder

Wow someone makeing a topic qqing about burred frenzy. How bout u learn to evade the kitten attack? One roll and ur out of its radious and u can sit and watch the mesmer whiff in the air and waste it. It does not run with you. The immunity is only 2 sec and is there because it roots you to ground leaving us for a good 2 sec to be hit stunned cc’d etc. also putting us right in melee range. Anticipate it brah and play like u know things.

Mesmers are considered one of top pvp classes for pleanty of reasons and have had there nerfs and bugs but someone qqing because they cant figure out how to avoid a 2-3 sec frenzy? lolz

I have some life changing words for ya, some skills are JUST more stronger than others and every class has them. Since they are one of the “OP” pvp classes that means it will take a little more time to learn their counters wich is part of the fun in it.

Archaon.6245:

it rotates faster…btw after testing it i can say it’s probably better than before, you can still see ppl coming from front and side

THIS^

I think what most are saying is yes the nerf sucks but the class itself is unique and lots of ways to tweek it so you can still faceroll peeps.

Stick with it man youll find ur nitch

Active tpvp players in general will smash the common spvp player period.
However I have facerolled a few of them more than enough times in spvp and I am not actively running tpvp right now.

Please add Furyofwar -Theif U.S. nights 8pm-2am Pst and weekends.
He is a friend and wants in for tourney he cant post atm he is still banned from forums :P Thanks

Easy win yes. Boring yes. Dont want to go against same class 4 outa 5 times.
This should bring some skilled players make it interesting tho.

^^Nice duel man looked like a fun fight. Ya Eles are a good match for me if the guy knows his kitten. That mesmer had good survivability but damage seemed a little low for most of the fight.

@OP Best thing to do is press hard fall back,…. press hard fall back. keep moving staying away from clones and main target. Eles have burst speed and defence. Use it to wear the mesmer down and learn to notice when cd’s and finish em.

Its not a secret what profession you are. Your gonna find out and starting matches are random Im assuming. Some are using the list for random duels outside of the tourney. It just makes it easier to see whos online and class you want to duel.

Besides everyone in the list can be a thief for all we know lol prety lame if tourney consistes of 90% of one class. (I know not everyone is. Just a sugestion)

Yo lets put professions next to our names so we know whos what when matched up.
And I also think I have a budy thats gonna join for the match hes a thief ill get him to post manyana.

Panther Chameleon.8465:

So wait. A Ranger goes invisible for 2 seconds and now we’re hacking? Rangers can also stealth via “tuft of hair” and “feathers” from the forage skill.

I knew it! Hax I say! HAAAAAX!~…lol

Khyras.8021:

Entire mesmer profession is based on cheap annoying mechanics like clone spamming,confusion/retaliation spam.Its the most disgusting class in history of MMOs.

THIS is why I rolled mesmer! Anyclass thats that anoying and pisses people off sounds fun to me. LOL this post has been going for a month and I just now bother?… Annoying mechanics, yes. Cheap? No. Anybody can play mesmer and have fun playing guess who and live, but as soon as you go up against a decent player that knows his class your toast. Its a profesion that takes skill and practice to annoy and kill the great players that otherwise will 2 shot you.

@OP maaaan you are funny ty for the laugh. You were all straight faced when typing this post… lol

Now that the roster is getting filled up can you seperate EU and US list’s.
Make it a little easier to see who is where and what and stuff and things and junk :P

They are making changes soon. https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/structured-pvp-iceberg/

The custom arenas should help the casual and serious players.

If you are in a match where it is 2v1 you should take advantage of it and learn your potential with your profession. Do that until next time you come across 2v1 it doesnt bother you. Or just leave and join a different server to your liking.

So basicly the roster created will show the times and zones when people are available to be psted in game for some pvp matches from other members ya? Good. and please keep updating list I am on and off randomley so if I have an itch for few rounds I can look it up. Thanks guys great thread/idea. I should be on round 10ish tonight.

Same. tOss what happened lastnight? you didnt get back at me

Conspiracy Thëory -Shatter mez
Nights only 10-1am Mon-Fri
Sat-Sun nights 8pm-all night (Pacific Standard Time)

Sounds like a good time.

Conspiracy Thëory -Shatter mez
Nights only 10-1am Mon-Fri
Sat-Sun nights 8pm-all night

lol the list goes on and on my friend. Is very much pvp.

but yes keep posts where they belong to filter out the BS.

What I think would work great is have a small section in the mist (like the training dummies/npc’s area already there) for the people to chat/spectate while testing specs on LIVE players. Once you enter the area a Dueling option is allowed. That way people who want to can, and the ones that dont wont be bothered. Keep it simple but fun for those late nights or days off work when most of your guild or 5v5 team isnt online. It also gives more of a social feal to it.

Fixing/saving the pvp in Gw2 has its priorities I am sure they are on it but after time and time logging in and seeing the mist just dead and chat vertually non-existant it just adds to the bordom feeling while waiting for Anet to find a cure for Gw2’s PvP cancer.

Liven it up by makeing Heart of the Mist more of a social/training lounge for the PvP community. If you are in between matches or arent going to be on long enough for tourneys you can still get your pvp-fix in.

The custom arenas are a great addition that I think I will love and will allow people to duel and practice in private but this idea will also fix the over-all feel to the in between or downtime involved with sPvP.

Just an idea something along those lines would be a great add and of course come in a few down from the top of things needed but I would love to hear thoughts on this.

JonathanSharp.7094:

Great thread guys. Some positive posts in here. It’s always great to see you guys passionately voicing how the game needs to improve.

I think that dueling is a great feature, but I don’t think it’s as important (right now) as ratings or a leaderboard is. With custom arenas, people will be able to duel all day long (1v1, or 2v2, or 3v3), so it seems to me that we need to focus more on rankings and leaderboards.

To that same end, I think that other game modes are something we’ll look at down the road, but for now, I think other features are just more important (like rankings, custom arenas where people can practice in private, leaderboards, spectator mode).

This is what I want to hear. These are imo the most important and in demand features for the pvp players.
The dueling option is in demand but can avoid most of the problems people have with it using custom arenas as a go-to to settle personal vendettas or theory crafting specs against certain classes.
Number one should be leaderboards and more direction/goals/gear something to work towards keeping our interests and motivation constant.

What I think would work great is have a small section in the mist (like the training dummies, npc’s, siege and underwater already have) where once you enter the area Dueling is allowed. That way people who want to can, and the ones that dont wont be bothered. Keep it simple but fun for those late nights or days off work when most of your guild or 5v5 team isnt online. It also gives more of a social feal to it.

Rythgar.2896:

Seeinred.4651:

The game like every other game has issues pvp and pve. QQing because we didnt get an apology for cause of lag during a 3 day event is ridiculous (your example). I am aware of the lag and D/Cing in pvp along with wvw crap going on it pisses me off too but this is a NON-subscription game and after only 3 months, a free expansion/upgrade isnt that kitten bad. Deal with the kitten in stride post your concerns but don’t act like a neglected step child when they seem to be a little focused on pve for 3 days.

Hm, I never did ask for an apology. I think you kinda misread my post, about everything with it from the sounds of it.
What I requested was more than one reply per week from ArenaNet. So, I did not request an apology or excuse, just a reply to acknowledge the problem at hand.

And to use the excuse that it’s a sub-free game doesn’t really work. Because I can tell you that they’ve earned a lot more from the micro transactions than any subs they could have had.

And since when is making a post about the lack of communication from the developers of a game being “a neglected step child”? And where do you get the whole “a little focused on PvE for three days” from? You have been around the forums/game the last 3 months right?

Kitten me, get your kitten information right before you go off kittening people that wants to kitten about a kitten game!

Not meant to be a direct stab at you my sweet kitten:P

Going off the posts Title “Kitten this event” which IS a 3 day event and the example used for pvp issues was lag related there werent any other issues addressed here, so why the remark bout past 3 months of forum debates? My comment is twords the post and its title not the whole cluster kitten of problems since release

The game like every other game has issues pvp and pve. QQing because we didnt get an apology for cause of lag during a 3 day event is ridiculous (your example). I am aware of the lag and D/Cing in pvp along with wvw crap going on it pisses me off too but this is a NON-subscription game and after only 3 months, a free expansion/upgrade isnt that kitten bad. Deal with the kitten in stride post your concerns but don’t act like a neglected step child when they seem to be a little focused on pve for 3 days.

LOS on Phantasm’s … way to ruin a good time

You say your a fellow mesmer but obviously dont know your class or play against anyone decent to see it can be interupted or dodged. Then goes on CD and waisted. Ya, sounds OP to me… rofl

Qelris.6901:

Fay.2735:

That sounds like a power build not shatter, Shatter builds generally use Scepter for confusion stacking.

Huh.. I’d like to see a single shatter build using a scepter if possible. As far as I know, scepters are only used for the confusion in a condition heavy build. Shatter builds are usually a Sword with an off hand coupled with a Staff or a GS.

lol I think the guy has his builds mixed up. Any decent shatter build is not going with sceptor

Amen brother. Amen.

Go mesmer if you want to spvp

Too many great answers to this question. Figure it out.