Guild Wars 2

The stirring of Primordus in 1078 AE was supposedly due to the actions of the Great Destroyer. Its goal throughout the EotN campaign was (among other things) to awaken Primordus completely, but we killed it before the Great Destroyer could finish its task.

Why do you assume that a dragon had to have died during the last cycle? Is there evidence for this somewhere? The Pact managed to win against Zhaitan primarily because modern Tyrians use technology that the Elder Dragons cannot corrupt or consume. The alliance during the previous rise, however, are almost unanimously magic users. Only the dwarves seem to prefer science and technology over explicitly magical constructs, and that might only be a recent cultural phenomenon from some time in the past few thousand years.

The previous races may very well have found the Elder Dragons to be unkillable when fighting with their magical weapons, no matter how potent their weapons and spells may have seemed at the time. I can easily see the mursaat ultimately screwing over an alliance that can’t even manage to kill a single Elder Dragon.

It’s been bugging me for a while now that while almost all of the gw1 outposts have been scaled to fit exactly where they should be in gw2 (see an overlay map: http://zoom.it/Zf9p), The Grove is quite a ways south from where it should be at Ventari’s Sanctuary. Is it possible then that the Pale Tree is a generation or two removed from Ronan’s original seed, planted in a new sanctuary slightly to the south? I know kinda goes against everything originally established about Ronan and Ventari, but generally speaking true trees don’t get up and walk away, even in Tyria.

Even if the Pale Tree really is the original seed and this is just a location anomaly, the whole cache of seeds Ronan found might have been the descendants of something touched by Mordremoth from the last rising. That at least could explain Malyck’s tree.

I still can’t say that I’m particularly enthused by the idea of sylvari being ex-Mordrem though. The fact that they’re particularly weak to Mordremoth could simply be because they’re plants, and Mordremoth doesn’t do animals. There’s still nothing in-game to suggest that dragon minions are immune to the corruption of other dragons either. None of the dragon minions in-game have ever been close enough to a source of corruption from a different dragon to prove it one way or another, but CoE still proves that you can be corrupted multiple times under laboratory conditions.

I’d be interested in seeing how a Soundless reacts to, say, being thrown into the Brand. The Pale Tree’s dialogue is somewhat open-ended; to me it sounds like the Dream’s protection applies to all dragon corruption, not just Mordremoth.

Some of them were Flame Legion, like the shaman bosses from the Burnt warband, but there were charr belonging to the other Legions as well. Back then all charr followed the Flame Legion’s teachings and worshiped the titans regardless of their personal Legion. It was only after the destruction of their titan gods by ‘mere humans’ that vocal minorities within the other Legions began to openly rebel against the religious dominance of the Flame Legion.

The Ecology of the Charr (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ecology_of_the_Charr) goes in to a lot more detail about how things changed between then and now. The end result was that Blood, Ash, and Iron rejected Flame and their teachings in its entirety.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/6/68/Ruins_of_Orr_map.jpg

So gloomy stormclouds caused that dispersing pattern? The one that fans out right from the spot where Zhaitan was sitting?

That greenish tint extends all the way from the centre of Arah and fans out from there. It’s probably a more direct corruption of the land by Zhaitan, in a similar vein to the Brand. The Temple of Lyssa right near the middle of Malchor’s Leap was an important Risen-making facility, so that entire region was much more valuable to Zhaitan than either Cursed Shore or the Straits of Devastation.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

However the order of dragon awakening was:

Primordus->Jormag->Zhaitan->DSD->Kralkatorrik->Mordremoth

Was it ever officially stated that Bubbles came between Zhaitan and Kralkatorrik?

Eluveitie.1290:

For the sake of the argument, why would we have to believe what the future PC said is true? It’s likely that it could have been a lie to cover up that he, indeed, did not invent them, but that’s what he said to everyone else. Matches asura behaviour, specially one twisted and corrupted as the future PC.

Because the future PC was about to kill you. True, it is possible future!you would lie right up until your death, but that goes against all the other villain tropes that Future!PC was employing right up until their untimely demise.

There have been other retcons against in-game lore, too. The Pact, for example, is aiding the Ash Legion in the war on Flame up in Fireheart Rise. Those soldiers in CoF are explicitly stated to be Pact forces. There are no dragon minions in Fireheart, and the Flame Legion hasn’t had a serious connection to Primordus or the Destroyers in over two centuries. The Pact very clearly helped people fight dangerous non-dragon threats before Season 1 Living Story happened. Now apparently they only get involved in global issues if an Elder Dragon itself shows up and challenges Trahearne to a 1v1.

The green backpiece was not consumed in the process of creating the flaming one, so it probably doesn’t count like a precursor would. It seems you had to have kept both skins in order to unlock both skins.

I don’t know why the Lidless Eye doesn’t unlock alongside the Eye of Rodgort, though. That might be an oversight.

Agreed to all of the above. Megaservers are not needed in capital cities. All this does is split playerbases apart, not merge them together as intended.

MrPersons.1560:

Silavor.6257:

Rata Sum, The Grove, and the Black Citadel are also all megaserver’ed already.

Is Divinity’s reach? I see a lot more people there than I used to

DR is not. You still have a home server and overflows on that map. The feature patch likely brought back a lot of players at once, so it’s only natural that maps like DR and Gendarran filled up more than usual even without a megaserver system in place. The increased population there will likely die down again in a day or two.

Rata Sum, The Grove, and the Black Citadel are also all megaserver’ed already.

You shouldn’t have converted your transmutation splitters. Using one of those would have given you back your original legendary, which would let you select its stats.

Right now what you have is a white item with the looks of a legendary. The legendary stats are gone, and can only come back by using a splitter to restore it to the legendary it was originally.

That was a very insightful series of posts, Draxynnic.

There is something that’s been bugging me for a while though, and so far I haven’t seen any good explanations for it. The Pale Tree designing the sylvari to resemble humans has been dev-confirmed, which fuels the idea that the previous plant creatures of the Maguuma were relatives of the sylvari, but then how does that explain Malyck?

Malyck is supposed to be from a different tree. A tree that has no known connection to either the Pale Tree or humanity in general. Why does he look humanoid? Why is he a sylvari at all? If that ancient aNet dev post about the Pale Tree specifically designing the sylvari after humans is still correct, then how can Malyck exist at all?

Dragons being awake or asleep has no standing on how their minions act.

In EotN both Drakkar and the Great Destroyer continued to do their masters’ work, even though Primordus and Jormag wouldn’t wake up for another 50-100 years.

If the Pale Tree is a dragon champion, why is it capable of choosing to be “good,” tablet or no tablet? How are Malyck and Malyck’s tree capable of choosing to be “good”? Glint couldn’t. Glint had free thought, but not free will, until the Forgotten specifically removed Kralkatorrik’s influence on her. If Ventari wrote down some words on a tablet and left them with pre-cleansed Glint, they wouldn’t have had any effect. She still would have been an instrument of Kralkatorrik’s will. They’re just words. How exactly are a bunch of words carved on a stone altering the dream, or changing the way a supposed minion acts?

And you’re still not really answering the question: why would Mordremoth create non-minion ‘minions’ in the first place, only to corrupt them later? What is the point? What does it accomplish? Why is it better than creating ACTUAL minions, bound to you right from birth and a part of your collective hive mind?

Primordus has spawned numerous humanoid beings, for what it’s worth. All of them are just as loyal to their master as the non-humanoids.

HHR LostProphet.4801:

Silavor.6257:

Your theory doesn’t make any sense. You’re saying the Pale Tree is a dragon champion and the sylvari are dragon minions, but they aren’t actually corrupted yet until they fall to Nightmare. That… makes absolutely no sense. Either they’re minions or they’re not.

That would be like a Destroyer spawning pool creating free-thinking rock monsters that then have to be forcefully subdued and twisted into a real Destroyer.

Mordremoth spawns his seeds to create an army. He gave them his resistances and the tools to be corrupted. They aren’t corrupted in the first place but it would be very easy for him to corrupt them through the Dream. Why should that not make sence? Are the elder dragons not allowed to create their own minions? Do they have to be corrupted, once free beings?

Of course elder dragons can create their own minions, that’s why I mentioned Primordus and the Destroyers in the first place.
My point is that you’re saying Mordremoth creates the sylvari as free-thinking beings, THEN corrupts them. That is what does not make sense. Why is a dragon purposely creating non-minion ‘minions’ only to corrupt them and turn them into real minions later? That’s not how ANY of the other dragons work. At all.

Your theory doesn’t make any sense. You’re saying the Pale Tree is a dragon champion and the sylvari are dragon minions, but they aren’t actually corrupted yet until they fall to Nightmare. That… makes absolutely no sense. Either they’re minions or they’re not.

That would be like a Destroyer spawning pool creating free-thinking rock monsters that then have to be forcefully subdued and twisted into a real Destroyer.

Female medium Honor of the Waves coat with Caudecus’ Manor boots (they’re VERY big boots). I’m not sure about the legs.

draxynnic.3719:

It’s certainly possible that the sylvari were created by the Forgotten, possibly with some collaboration by the other races, as an additional soldier race alongside the dwarves (if they were also artificial, and between the dwarven creation legend and the effect of the Rite, I’m leaning in that direction). For whatever reason, though – maybe they were created afterwards, maybe they just didn’t mature in time – the sylvari didn’t take part in the last awakening.

Unless the sylvari actually DID exist during the last rising, under a different name: the Wardens of the Echovald Forest. The Wardens are, after all, a race of humanoid plant warriors that are mysteriously immune to corruptive abilities, and are led by an enigmatic tree spirit with immense magical power. Interestingly enough, Urgoz also speaks of foreseeing the future and seeing the potential destinies of individuals, just like a certain other tree spirit.

Regarding the sylvari being human-shaped because the tree was planted on human graves, while I know that was dev-confirmed, I can’t help but think it’s been retconned anyway. How do you explain Malyck? Was his tree, way off to the west outside of the region inhabited by humans, also conveniently planted on a human grave? Why would two separate Pale Trees come up with the EXACT same interpretation of what a human looks like, and choose that specific form for the body plan of their children? It just doesn’t make any sense.

There are a lot of similarities between the Dream and the Fractals. It’s very possible the Dream is a fragment of the Mists that the Pale Tree can reach in to and manipulate.

The Pact is more than just the Priory, Vigil, and Order of Whispers combined, because the three orders alone are not the full sum of the Pact’s parts. The Pact also receives supplies, soldiers, and presumably funding from all major nations, as well as some of the minor, less organized races.

If we’re keeping with the Voltron example, then having the three orders help out at the same time in Lion’s Arch is like having one or two of the lions show up, while the Krytan lion is off picking its nose, and the Ascalonian lion didn’t even hear the call to battle until it was too late.

Why is the Pact under a charter, while the three orders can run around as they wish? Mainly because the three orders are part of the handful of organizations that would have made the charter in the first place. The order leaders would have had just as much say in where the Pact can go and what it can do as the Krytan monarchy, or the charr leaders.

Order resources devoted to the Pact go to the Pact. Any other resources remaining within that particular order are autonomous from the Pact, and do not represent the Pact or Pact interests. A Priory scholar digging around in Serenity Temple is not a member of the Pact, and does not represent the Pact. They represent the Priory. Likewise, a bunch of Vigil soldiers, Whispers agents, and Priory scholars assisting a besieged Lion’s Arch are not members of the Pact, and do not represent the Pact or Pact interests. I think that’s the best way to think of it.

I don’t know if it would have enough of an effect to flood Droknar’s, but don’t forget that there is now a massive river dumping all of its water right nearby thanks to Joko. There are probably a number of factors that caused the water level to rise in the southern Shiverpeaks, not just one single source.

Dean Calaway.9718:

As for the corruption, it’s said Sylvari are immune to dragon corruption,.so how could she been corrupted?
Having that said, I’ve always said in my opinion that the Pale Tree can be a means of spawning dragon minions.
Not a champion, much less a dragon herself, JUST means to spawn.
Lets not forget, the foundations of the Pale Tree are based on Ventari’s table, it’s the corner stone, the very pillar of the Tree moral code, and most important of all, it was a completely random event.
No other Tree (and we know for a fact there are others) have a Ventari tablet.

Can Sylvari be dragon minions that were unnaturally influenced by the Ventari tablet? I think they sure can.
Nightmare Court say they are what Sylvari are spouse to be.
Can a Destroyer be corrupted by Jormag? Not that I know of, I don’t think Dragons can corrupt each others minions that could easily explain why Sylvari are immune to dragon corruption.

The Ventari Tablets are just that, tablets. They’re large stones that a dying centaur carved his memoirs into. They have no natural magical power on their own. The only known way to remove a dragon’s corruption is through a highly complex Forgotten ritual. This is what broke Glint’s connection to Kralkatorrik during the last rising, and the ritual was only recently rediscovered in Arah after Zhaitan’s death. There is nothing that indicates Ventari’s tablets have anywhere near the power required to break a dragon’s corruption. They’re just stones.

The sylvari personal story introduces Malyck, a sylvari from a different tree. He is much more like the Soundless/Dreamers than the Nightmare Court, indicating that the NC are just flat-out wrong about what the default sylvari is supposed to be.

The entire Crucible of Eternity dungeon shows just how wrong the assumption is that dragons cannot corrupt other dragon minions. The only reason we don’t have Icebroodestroyerisen running around is because the dragons are not close enough yet to be corrupting each other’s armies.

All together, while it’s possible the NC are dragon minions, there is little to no evidence suggesting the sylvari as a whole are naturally minions.

CureForLiving.5360:

It might be possible that sibling relationships have little meaning or value to Charr and thus Rox and Rytlock not opening acknowledging such a relationship would be perfectly normal in Charr society.

That makes a lot of sense, especially if the age gap between siblings (or half-siblings) is large enough that the two never really get a chance to interact together in the fahrar.

Sirius.4510:

Hmm. On the Destroyer of Hope, I agree it closely resembles a dryder, but note that those haven’t really returned to GW2 – what’s up with that? They are somewhat similar to devourers but not completely… and the Shiverpeaks used to have a lot of them.

I suspect dryders are just another form of demon, much like imps. If they aren’t native to Tyria, then it is understandable why there wouldn’t be a visible population of them at all times.

The Destroyer of Deeds kind of reminds me of a wood louse. Maybe there were once other crustacean-like relatives of the karka, and not all of them were durable enough to survive?

On that note, the Destroyer of Hope doesn’t necessarily have to be a spider. Those antennae very ant-like, and unlike all of the anatomically-correct spiders of gw1 and gw2 that have legs coming out of their cephalothorax, this destroyer has them all coming out of its abdomen. All of these anomalies (as well as the drop from eight legs to four) could probably be considered “artistic liberty” on Primordus’ part, but in my opinion the Destroyer of Hope is a gigantic mole cricket.

BrunoBRS.5178:

i don’t know, looking at the maguuma’s flying rocks and the thaumanova explosion (caused by messing with leylines despite not being underground in any way) makes me think that height is not much of a factor.

and the lifeblood statement doesn’t change that much either. they could just as easily be on the surface.

The Thaumanova explosion was caused in an Inquest lab deep beneath the surface. All we see in-game is the remnants of the city that the lab was underneath, not the site of the explosion itself.

The Artificer crafting profession is your Alchemist and Wandmaker rolled into one. Artificers also brew numerous potions, they don’t just make staves all day. Alchemy and chemistry seem to be one and the same to the people of Tyria. Every major race, as well as some of the minor ones like the hylek and skritt, have at least a few members who show a high proficiency for producing liquids with various effects, and most of it is done through very mundane, “real world” means.

All hylek are immune to the poison condition, for example, because as a species their knowledge of alchemy vastly outshines our own. Their whole species has a general knowledge of antidotes and antitoxins to nullify any sort of ‘poison’ their enemies might throw at them.

I suspect that most player engineers are also alchemists in their down time, brewing up their own elixirs, flamer fuel, explosive compounds, and all the other various substances they use as unusual ammunition.

For the most part, behemoths are gone because we can’t go to any of the biomes that the behemoths lived in. Seared Ascalon is gone, so there’s no tar for the tar behemoths. They either went extinct or migrated away to a biome more suited to their kind. The desert and Ring of Fire are off-limits, so we can’t find those behemoths either, and most of the Maguuma that had root behemoths is the part of the Maguuma that we arbitrarily can’t reach anymore.

Durzlla.6295:

It actually is unlikely because these Wurms are actually an ancient race and they don’t appear corrupted, just angry.

How do you know they aren’t corrupted? Jungle wurms didn’t exist in Gw1, while every other wurm type has some counter-part in the original game. All the major jungle wurms that existed before this event are directly tied to either the Nightmare Court or a “much darker force,” possibly Mordremoth.

That massive dragon mural in Scarlet’s lair has three thorny tendril-like things near the end of its tail. It’s certainly possible these three wurms could actually be the tail of Mordremoth.

Yeah, seems to be working now. I guess they put up the hyperlink before actually uploading the page.

The way I see it, everyone in Tyria can use magic in the same way any of us can do math equations. Most of us instinctively know 1+1=2, while only a tiny fraction of the population can do complex calculus. There is nothing physically stopping anyone from learning, but it takes a lot of dedication and no small amount of natural talent to take the skill to a level where it is actually useful for anything.

A sword and board, meanwhile, is a lot easier to pick up and learn for the more tactile-oriented. I suspect that most of the soldier NPCs we see in the world are capable of small magical feats, but they never use it when we’re around because they’re trained to fight with physical weapons.

The player characters are also supposed to be special. We’re the unusually gifted and talented people who go on to become heroes of legend. I don’t think most elementalists are capable of doing what a player character elementalist can do on a regular basis.

Zeefa.3915:

And where do you see this?
Winterdays was always in December in GW1 too (maybe not lorewise, but sure was mechanicly) With the final event at 31’st December/1’st January, now there just is no final (or I missed it) so whatever.

Our year might as well start at March rather than January, it is just a matter of where we decided to put it in. Infact it would make a bit more sense, since december comes deci or something which means 10 and so should be the 10th month and not the 12th.
There was Canthan newyear which is closer to spring, but that coincides with the real life Chinese newyear, dunno if you meant Canthan newyear, if not I am sorry, but if it is , it has nothing to do with extra days or anything.

Wintersday was the spring equinox in Gw1, that’s why it technically happens in our March. Tyria and Earth times and celebrations were never designed to sync up, but now they’re being forcefully shoved together into one entity anyway.

I don’t recall Twilight/Sunrise/Eternity ever having an aura to begin with, aside from the initial burst when it is drawn. The flames of Predator and the foggy mist of Howler are both just as visible on a charr as they are on a smaller race. The greatswords don’t have that particular type of effect to begin with.

There is no law saying that there can only be one champion. Zhaitan, for example, had numerous champions simultaneously.

That might possibly be why she went after the krait to begin with, to experiment with their natural metamorphosis abilities. They didn’t really seem to serve a greater purpose in the Toxic Alliance otherwise.

In Gw1 juvenile krait could undergo metamorphosis in battle to become one of the much more deadly adult krait forms. None of these various forms (some of which had actual legs, not just a tail) exist at all in gw2. Either they’ve lost their metamorphosis capabilities, or it’s just another case of gameplay and story segregation.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

And she makes mention of the second chapter of the PS – at least 3 (Malyck, Infinity Ball – both possibly related to her story – and Dead Sister – which isn’t likely related to her story). Makes me worried she’ll become a more Villain Sue and had been watching the PC since the second chapter without us knowing. Just more “she was always there” kitten pulls like the short story…

She’s also taunted my charr characters about their dead sires, so she probably has information on everyone’s Chapter 2.

Shrug It Off works by removing the second condition the instant it gets applied. So if you have some bleed stacks on you and you suddenly get poisoned, Shrug It Off will immediately activate and remove the poison before the icon even appears on your conditions bar. If you aren’t paying attention, you won’t even know that you had been hit with a second condition.

That looks similar to some of the Gw1 charr armours, Frostfang. I think it really fits the charr aesthetic.

Modern charr are actually LESS feral than their gw1 ancestors, yet gw1 charr never had armour clipping issues. Why? Because gw1’s aNet actually put in the time to model the armour properly for charr bodies.

What a novel concept.

Did… Did Scarlet just become directly responsible for the first 20 levels of the asura personal story?

It definitely got a lot more attention back in the other forum. I’d hate to see this die out just because no one will look at it.

Ooh yes, can we please have that smoke effect on the actual Fellblades? I actually tend to forget that the current Fellblade has a smoke effect at all most days because it’s practically non-existent.

lordkrall.7241:

Because otherwise it would be too easy to beat them since they can’t evolve or counter strategies as well as a human.

Try telling that to Adnul Irongut and his psychic prediction powers!

But yeah, all the npcs cheat in some fashion or another in order to provide some sort of challenge.

The backpack sets in the gem store come with a basic account-bound back piece that you can use for this. It isn’t exactly cheap, but it is the only viable option at this time. If you’re going to buy it from the TP instead of the gemstore, make sure you by the backpack SET item, not just the backpack skin.

Pink Quaggan Backpack Set, for example, has the account-bound strap as well.
Pink Quaggan Backpack Cover only has the skin.

Upgrading fractal capacitors in the mystic forge resets the skin. Don’t transmute until you reach your desired level of capacitor.

Birdo.1768:

my main concern/question is can i transmute the item and still make it ascended?

Short answer: no
When you transmute an item, you are taking the skin from item A and using it to replace the skin of item B. So item B now looks like item A, but from a code perspective it is still item B. All the coding from item A is lost. A transmuted Sclerite Karka Shell will not have the code that allows it to ascend.

A work-around would be to get an exotic Prototype Fractal Capacitor with Berserker’s stats from Fractals, Ascend the capacitor, then Infuse the capacitor if you care about agony resistance. Now that you have an ascended backpiece with Berserker’s stats, you can then transmute the Sclerite Karka Shell skin onto your ascended Prototype (or Beta) Fractal Capacitor, which will give you an ascended Berserker’s backpiece with the skin of the karka shell.

Still not fixed after all this time, huh?
Why do charr and asura graphical bugs never seem to get fixed? Do most of the graphical designers only work on humans or something?

Recap: (because for some silly reason two totally unrelated issues were merged together into one thread)
The heritage warplate, the heavy Hall of Monuments chestpiece, has a graphical error that only affects charr. The other four races do not have this issue. The dye channel that used to affect the central strip of metal on the sternum is broken. It now dyes a U-shaped pattern around the edges, while the central strip of metal is permanently Salmon colored.

This issue appeared suddenly with the 02/26 update, and has never been fixed since then.

This misplaced dye channel ONLY affects charr, by the way. The other four races have perfectly normal heritage warplates.