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Today i was analyzing many aspects about traits and utilities and was thinking which change AN should do first?

Without consuming much time should focus just on reducing cooldowns from traits and utilities for pve.

For pvp keep the same ones guessing all of them right now are just focused for pvp already.

Its a great start if we get a new patch just with traits and utilities CD adjusted for PvE.

going to mention some of the traits/utilities should be adjusted for PvE:

Weapons CD should have a max time on cooldown fixed like auto attacks with minor CD then a middle and the strongest skill should

lower from 1 to 3sec
Medium from 6 to 12sec
Higher from 15 to 20sec

Underwater weapons has almost like what i mentioned above lower medium and higher cd more balanced to keep using skills we need this for land environment.

First Patch focused on traits/weapons/utilities CoolDowns

Guardian
Off hand weapons

• Shield of Wrath 45cd
  Reduce the CD make it usable 2x per fight or make it rdy for each next encounter fight at least.
• Ray of Judgement 25cd for 3sec heal/blind
  Reduce cd increase effects or time duration from skill
• Shield of absorption 40cd
  Need to rethink this skill for pve where does this fit?
• Shield of judgement 30cd for 5sec protection
  Reduce cd

Main Hand Weapons

• Protectors Strike 15cd for a 3sec protection
  Either increase the protection duration or decrease the CD on the skill
• Symbol of Faith 8cd for 1sec heal
  Increase the duration of the heal effect or replace it with other thing to add something to group.
• Chains of Light 20cd 2sec imobilize
  Reduce CD and increase imobilize time

Two Handed Weapons

• Empower 20cd for 10sec might
  Increase duration of might
• Symbol of swiftness 15cd for 4sec speed
  Increase time duration on speed
• Blinding Blades 30cd
• Line of Warding 40cd
• Ring of Warding
  Decrease CD

Utilities
Should have the same rule to have a lower medium and higher cd depending what that utility can offer as weaker medium and stronger to the group or player.
For utilities i would make
lower from 20 to 25sec
Medium from 30 to 35sec
Higher from 40 to 45sec
For elite skills i would make them between 60 to 90sec max

• Prayer to Lyssa
• Prayer to Kormir
  Who uses this?

• Healing Breeze 40cd
  Dosent compete with other option to take in consideration to use.
• Merciful intervention 50cd
• Contemplation of Purity 60cd
• Sanctuary 120cd
• Hallowed Ground 80cd
• Save yourselves 60cd
• Retreat 60cd
• Signet of Mercy 150cd
• Shield of the avenger 60cd
• Bow of Truth 60cd
  Reduce CD from this ones for PVE

Continuing

So what changed after new patch affected thousands of players which all of them was rellying at FGS to do dungeons, and now PUGS dosent know how to do dungeons without the easy mode FGS. We did runs without FGS before new patch and calculated time loss and its not that much time loss if you have an organized group who have and work on tactics to make the runs faster.

Other thing i would like to update on the main topic is our utility skills and some of our traits, they simply are not optimal to use in many situations.

Us players need optimal choices on all skills, we need to make all of them worthy to use in specific situations or circunstances and some of them are not usefull.

About the traits its the same us as players should choose a specific trait for a specific situation or circunstance, and some of them are not usefull.

For PVP to make it even more interested if you split and focus skill utilities for pvp style us as players will benefit and the Devs will benefit making the game more challenging and competitive against other MMOS outthere will lure more players and money.

I believe they have the resources and tools to make it and the community shouldn´t stop fighting for this subject its an overall interest in the end.

And what do you think we should do to make them change?
cus thats what im suggesting time to do something great for pve and pvp.

People should show them and remember them what we need in this game.

I was expecting more feedback from the community.

I suggest a different behave from abilities in PvE/PvP so that they could be adjusted on a per environment basis.

It worked in gw1 and other MMO´s should had brought this since day 1 honestly.
- Introduce new skills and traits spliting PvE/PvP
- Balance the game for each environment.
- Make PvE more about teamwork (Cordinated Dungeons larger Partys) eg: gw1 Underworld/The Deep/ Domain of Anguish/ Fissure of Woe)
- Make all classes to offer something to all group (PVE)
eg:
Necromancers in PvE should add some benefit for all group (for example a trait to make all team benefit from some special attack)
some ideas:
Curses
- Enfeeble – makes everyone while in melee deal weakness from their attacks.
Death Magic
- Virulence – Makes everyone apply all conditions kinds.
Blood Magic
- Order of Pain – to give Power to others.
Soul Reaping
- Life Draining – Ohters near you while in combat steal health from mobs.

Mesmers
- The concept of what they are offereing to team in pve is ok.
- The DPS for PvE compared to other classes should be rethinked to make it more equal and fair choice to take in group.

Engineers in PvE should add also some benefit for all group (for example a trait to make all team benefit from some special attack)
some ideas:
Fire Arms
Modified Amunition – change to make everyone near you do 2% dmg per each condition on mob.

PVE TRAITS / UTILITIES to Change or replace by something usefull

Elementalist

• Glyph of renewal 160CD revive allies
• For PVE when your down theres a trait to do something to mobs in my opinion should not exist and make something different about that for pve.
• Trait One with air
  its not an optimal choice for PVE
• All condition dmg is not good for PVE unless you add in the game Hexes degenerating HP and also change each boss with specific weakness making players use specific build and trait just to get it killed properly by using thoose specifications, over doing what we are used to do for 2 years, stack might, hit and slash.
• Trait Healing to allies
  Dosent offer nothing to PVE we dont rely on healers in this game
• Stop drop and roll
  Who is using this for PVE?
• Arcane resurection
  Its not optimal for PVE
• Windborn Dagger
  its not optimal for PVE we have signet of air which makes the same already and at least the signet blinds foes around the target mob.

Warrior

• Bring Adrenaline system back to warrior for PVE and keep the new one for PVP.
• Brawlers Recovery
  Not needed for PVE
• Thrill of the Kill
  Dosent make sense atm since you loose adrenaline after leaving combat
• Leg specialist
  who uses this in PVE?
• Missle Deflection
  where should we use this?
• Shields for PVE are not optimal.
• Unsuspecting Foe

• Burst Precision
• Berserkers Might
  how does it compete with Berserker Power?

• Short Temper
• Great Fortitude
• Restorative Strenght
  who is using this ?

Ranger

Make the Ranger in PvE more powerfull in melee and weaker at range and do the oposite for PvP like you guys just did in this patch.
All the traits for longbow/shortbow are not optimal for PvE.

• Storm Spirit
  Not seeing anyone using it on PVE
• Spike Trap
  utility and trait
• Frost Trap
  Traps for PvE are not an optimal choice
• Call Wurm
  Who is using this?
• Trappers Expertise
• Trap Potency
  Trap Traits not optimal for PvE
• Natures Voice
  Who is using this?
• Survival of the fittest
  Who is using this?
  Beastmastery for PvE needs some improovement to make it usefull choice to use instead any other options on traits.

Necromancer

Keep the necro like it is for PvP for now, but please make this class rise for PvE this class needs pve attention like i said at top post.

• Parasitic Contagion
• Path of Corruption
  Not optimal for PvE
• Whitering Precision
  20sec CD change it for perma time for PvE
• Blood is Power
  for PvE i would make this skill OP in terms of benefitting all group with fury and might buffs
• Chilling Darkness
  1sec effect who uses this for PvE?
• Blood Magic
• Death Magic
• Soul Reaping
  All of the traits needs to focus for PvE
• Wells
  Reduce the CD from them and increase their effects for PvE

To make a necro minion master usefull in this game will need to change a lot to be worthy to use instead other possible options like in gw1 necros could summon an army from corpses making him a class to take in consideration for the group.

- You guys have all resources and tools to make players motivaded just need to implement it to make gw2 better game.

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Devs
Would you give us a heads up about Guild System representing cross servers in order to provide bonuses for all represent players.

Update with some info would be nice some dates also.
Waiting for this since beta…

hows the necro after patch on taking the veteran down times? can any fast necro try it plz

Hey guys hope your having a nice day, was woundering if anyone knows a way to see how much HP specific mobs have.

Plz let me know would be rly appreciated.

Just noticed at deep strike trait if you dont log out the hero panel dosent change after you try to change to deep strike while was using any other.

Or vice versa- if i have deepstrike after login i will have the right changes but if i change deepstrike to any other trait hero panel will keep the same stats …

Seems only activates after a log out.

hi, we have that but we are in EU :/ i just though i should let you know about us if you consider to come to EU we do daily runs weekends + guild missions good luck

We have that but we are in EU :/ if you consider, i thought i should let you know about us, we have daily runs and weekends + missions.

Shame on you inviting a player to quit to go to other MMO.
I can make this suggestions why you guys like to come here with no sense.
Next level gear its for all game not only for fractals.
You are another typical casual player …

Suggestion is to make it superior because its expansive to get and makes no sense to have it now because dosent increase nothing.
Would had prefered if they didnt have introduced them with such unfair reasons.
Since they introduce im fighting to improove it.

Sounds bad but i used Freedom Speech too im being honest dont take it personal lol
calling slacker and envy its not insulting its reality … how old are you?
some people have proud to be envy and slacker everyday i face many of thoose people calling me names the real names to insult cus i have reach the level where i am now … and i still dont take it personal its reality envy and slackers will be here everytime. and i dont have any problem to face the heat.

Next level gear requires effort to get so make it worthy to have!
Next level gear must be way better then the last level gear!
Next level gear should have epic skins!
Stop making new stuff and throwing dust to our eyes!

How come we should grind to have this bad skins and worthless stats and spend 50Gold per piece?

Anet please do something about this!!!

Ascended gear its not for casual players its for the player who wants to step up so keep your coments in a box plz.

http://youtu.be/GnV6mTF53cA
Anyone knows the name of the buff he used in the left side of the food buff?

Insidion the Insane.9752:

9 seconds, according to Reaper’s Touch CD.
http://youtu.be/GnV6mTF53cA

very nice whats the build and specs?

Recruiting any class now if your willing to change your gear to dps setups join us for quality runs we have organized shedulements where our guildies can apply and comit with eachother to run our speedrun tours daily/weekend tips to make more then 1000Gold per month possibility just by doing this tours and guild missions.
And the best of it its the short time we do them without wasting time.
Link in my signature.

Recruiting any class now if your willing to change your gear to dps setups join us for quality runs we have organized shedulements where our guildies can apply and comit with eachother to run our speedrun tours daily/weekend tips to make more then 1000Gold per month possibility just by doing this tours and guild missions.
And the best of it its the short time we do them without wasting time.
Link in my signature.

Recruiting any class now if your willing to change your gear to dps setups join us for quality runs we have organized shedulements where our guildies can apply and comit with eachother to run our speedrun tours daily/weekend tips to make more then 1000Gold per month possibility just by doing this tours and guild missions.
And the best of it its the short time we do them without wasting time.

Recruiting any class now if your willing to change your gear to dps setups join us for quality runs we have organized shedulements where our guildies can apply and comit with eachother to run our speedrun tours daily/weekend tips to make more then 1000Gold per month possibility just by doing this tours and guild missions.
And the best of it its the short time we do them without wasting time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDUQSvF6EjI

Youtube channel
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIkYLkFJwziZzDgr4ETgIsQ/

1000G Prove
https://imageshack.com/i/041r6vj

Recruiting any class now if your willing to change your gear to dps setups join us for quality runs we have organized shedulements where our guildies can apply and comit with eachother to run our speedrun tours daily/weekend tips to make more then 1000Gold per month possibility just by doing this tours and guild missions.
And the best of it its the short time we do them without wasting time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDUQSvF6EjI

Youtube channel
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIkYLkFJwziZzDgr4ETgIsQ/

1000G Prove
https://imageshack.com/i/041r6vj

Recruiting any class now if your willing to change your gear to dps setups join us for quality runs we have organized shedulements where our guildies can apply and comit with eachother to run our speedrun tours daily/weekend tips to make more then 1000Gold per month possibility just by doing this tours and guild missions.
And the best of it its the short time we do them without wasting time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDUQSvF6EjI

Youtube channel
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIkYLkFJwziZzDgr4ETgIsQ/

1000G Prove
https://imageshack.com/i/041r6vj

Recruiting any class now if your willing to change your gear to dps setups join us for quality runs we have organized shedulements where our guildies can apply and comit with eachother to run our speedrun tours daily/weekend tips to make more then 1000Gold per month possibility just by doing this tours and guild missions.
And the best of it its the short time we do them without wasting time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDUQSvF6EjI

Youtube channel
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIkYLkFJwziZzDgr4ETgIsQ/

1000G Prove
https://imageshack.com/i/041r6vj

Recruiting any class now if your willing to change your gear to dps setups join us for quality runs we have organized shedulements where our guildies can apply and comit with eachother to run our speedrun tours daily/weekend tips to make more then 1000Gold per month possibility just by doing this tours and guild missions.
And the best of it its the short time we do them without wasting time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDUQSvF6EjI

Youtube channel
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIkYLkFJwziZzDgr4ETgIsQ/

1000G Prove
https://imageshack.com/i/041r6vj

1 skill kill its not what im looking for ele speedkill … that being said keep your perspective to yourselves. if it makes you all more happy ele its the nº1 to kill him faster.
QQ a bit more if you dont understand my perspective. guardian did 7sec without hounds …. necro did same time without lich form … i have already all results i was trying to gather just mesmer can get improovments.

Just remenber anyone can open threads for whatever reason and objectives you dont see me trolling or flaming other threads so why do you like to be that kind of persons.

Excalibur.9748:

lol that’s gonna get ele FGS nerfed.

That would be great actualy just to stop seeing the QQ people.

Micro Hard.3601:

Hi, Elementalist here, did it in around 4s (with a fgs, just for those that wanted to see it)

Asking not to use a skill in their utility sounds a little contradictory especially when a LH is being used in the current video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdhZnnwYJng

Thats because you and many people dont understand what was asked. Many people are here for troll and many are already QQ.

Im not going to bother to explain read all posts from all sister threads and you will understand the reason i made all threads.

hope you two feel happy …

Micro Hard.3601:

Hi, Elementalist here, did it in around 4 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdhZnnwYJng

lol you didnt understood what was asked and your in the wrong section this is for necros only.

So far we have:
Thief 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk
Guardian 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_EqsbAWMc
Warrior 8sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Von67FBeijI
Elementalist 10sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6IO9KXVFo4
Ranger 11sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QX-VorZKQ&feature=youtu.be
Necro 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-fcT12c2k
Engineer 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkpOmP91jrA
Mesmer 16sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGu6p7Zmpc&feature=youtu.be

So far we have:
Thief 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk
Guardian 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_EqsbAWMc
Warrior 8sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Von67FBeijI
Elementalist 10sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6IO9KXVFo4
Ranger 11sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QX-VorZKQ&feature=youtu.be
Necro 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-fcT12c2k
Engineer 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkpOmP91jrA
Mesmer 16sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGu6p7Zmpc&feature=youtu.be

So far we have:
Thief 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk
Guardian 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_EqsbAWMc
Warrior 8sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Von67FBeijI
Elementalist 10sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6IO9KXVFo4
Ranger 11sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QX-VorZKQ&feature=youtu.be
Necro 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-fcT12c2k
Engineer 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkpOmP91jrA
Mesmer 16sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGu6p7Zmpc&feature=youtu.be

Kelnis.1829:

It isn’t much, but I redid a few pulls without hounds – best I could get was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Qw-FwQ3V4 (7.5s~)

ty for trying without racial

So far we have:
Thief 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk
Guardian 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_EqsbAWMc
Warrior 8sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Von67FBeijI
Elementalist 10sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6IO9KXVFo4
Ranger 11sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QX-VorZKQ&feature=youtu.be
Necro 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-fcT12c2k
Engineer 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkpOmP91jrA
Mesmer 16sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGu6p7Zmpc&feature=youtu.be

So far we have:
Thief 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk
Guardian 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_EqsbAWMc
Warrior 8sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Von67FBeijI
Elementalist 10sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6IO9KXVFo4
Ranger 11sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QX-VorZKQ&feature=youtu.be
Necro 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-fcT12c2k
Engineer 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkpOmP91jrA
Mesmer 16sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGu6p7Zmpc&feature=youtu.be-VorZKQ&feature=youtu.be

Would any mesmer try this setup on the giant and see if it beats the 16sec plz.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQRAsd8al4zionSTkGa9IBKFY37kUoaYX6Bu5tsB-jwCBoiDimiAmIIQUBgJPDZNRKiFXFRjVXDT5iIq2OeY1myJSKgRFGB-e

So far we have:
Thief 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk
Guardian 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_EqsbAWMc
Warrior 8sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Von67FBeijI
Elementalist 10sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6IO9KXVFo4
Ranger 11sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QX-VorZKQ&feature=youtu.be
Necro 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-fcT12c2k
Engineer 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkpOmP91jrA
Mesmer 16sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGu6p7Zmpc&feature=youtu.be

So far we have:
Thief 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk
Guardian 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_EqsbAWMc
Warrior 8sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Von67FBeijI
Elementalist 10sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6IO9KXVFo4
Ranger 11sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QX-VorZKQ&feature=youtu.be
Necro 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-fcT12c2k
Engineer 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkpOmP91jrA
Mesmer 16sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGu6p7Zmpc&feature=youtu.be

So far we have:
Thief 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk
Guardian 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_EqsbAWMc
Warrior 8sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Von67FBeijI
Elementalist 10sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6IO9KXVFo4
Ranger 11sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QX-VorZKQ&feature=youtu.be
Necro 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-fcT12c2k
Engineer 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkpOmP91jrA
Mesmer 16sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGu6p7Zmpc&feature=youtu.be

Dommmmmmmmmm.6984:

I recorded an approximate 6 second kill with Thief last night. There is some room for improvement, so if anyone wants to challenge I’ll be looking forward to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk

Thanks for your @7 sec

Travlane.5948:

13 seconds. thief just isnt the top dmg class anymore. has high hits but cant chain like other classes.not chain as fast anyway.

i mean i was hitting for almost 13k on backstabs and almost 10k on Heartseekers so it wasnt like i wasnt hitting hard.

http://youtu.be/qG0u681TR0o
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Ty mate
Just let us know what traits and gear setup you used in the test

Pelopidas.2140:

where is the link to thief video ?:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJZ3S2SmEMY

and warrior has faster vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYcUGs24W2Q

What about to use recent timers cause thoose are old and outdated.
btw each thread its in their class section this one its for necros

Kelnis.1829:

I finished my ascended sword on patch day, I may try again sometime in the future, but I’ll probably wait until I get all my ascended armor up and running. I saw in some of the sister threads people QQing about my racial elite use, however, I did several tests without hounds too. I can still hit 9s~ without them, I’ll record without hounds in the future iterations, though, so no one can QQ.

yes some people dont get what i want with all of this but i already explained in 1 sister thread and im aware of the racial dosent count much for what i wanted i agree but im aware also without the racial its still very fast and its what im looking with all this ty for keep this alive will wait to see an update.

Norjena.5172:

These tests are just for fun not to compare anything.

It discover nothing for dungeon runs.

Tell me how to compare a 99% of the fight active timewarp with the necromancer?

Or the warrior with his banner and finishing the giant with F1 at 20%! Evis is not used in fight, only to finish the last 0,5% or so. There is no way to compare classed by these tests.
Or FB? Is FB a strong DPS tool? Picking it using skill 4 1 time an throw it away in 95% of all situations (exept ac burrows or SE p3 the car).

What´s with might stacking? Fury? Did the Mesmer had fury? Vul? Guardian Fury? More vul then the Ele?
Engi 15+stacks Vul and some stacks of might?

U can´t compare classes this way. And definitly not for dungeons.

Start to use a warriors banner and timewarp for all. U will get completly diffrent times. Just for example.

Different perspectives you have, and i have mines. in a group they will fit for speedruns its what i get from this tests.

This is not to see wich class is faster its to see what can each class offer to a group in a speedkill rotation im aware of all are diferent so when put them together you can see it will work.
I understand you and i know what im doing, for what i want it shows me the potential of each individual class can offer to start using any class mixed with others in the same group and still deliver fast runs, if you want to do a test for your perspectives i would say you want to make world records and then you can choose the best classes to run and only will use thoose the fastest ones… and thats not my point here.

Anierna.6918:

So, in your rankings, looks like it goes:

Ele (FGS):
Ele (Frost Bow):
Guardian:
Warrior:
Ele (LH):

lol

but fgs and fb kinda make the results for fun only.
thoose dont work the same way for any mob and my first objective is to see what they can offer without thoose.
so for ele i would use the LH result cause its closer to what im looking for when im comparing to the others. maybe it can improove the LH time to 9 sec idk. but already have a good perspective on him ty for the videos it helped me a lot.

Norjena.5172:

U shouldn´t compare a Burst Build (Signets) with a DPS Build (like 20/25/0/25) which are often stronger in a large amount of fights.

And WH 4 is less DPS then sword AA.

These tests are rly stupid, diffrent might, some with fury some without diffrent vul, warrior with banners other without. Timewarp used and so on…
There is no way to compare classes dps with these tests, they are just for fun (or to compare diffrent builds if u have excatly the same buffs/debuffs) not more.

Big lol for you … stop flaming all threads.

Norjena.5172:

U shouldn´t compare a Burst Build (Signets) with a DPS Build (like 20/25/0/25) which are often stronger in a large amount of fights.

And WH 4 is less DPS then sword AA.

Idea is to compare what can the class give just a few skills makes huge diferences like FGS and FB from elementalist, racial skills arent used in groups most of the times so i agree with you on that besides thoose skills this shows what class is capable of in groups and it was my point to do this from the start. it allows to discover potential builds for dungeon runs to use any class in a group.